>Dugtrio has already appeared in trailers Someone has seen it..?

Not to my knowledge. Just another this the Riddler is getting wrong.

>>28966809
still waiting the fairy waifu and the steel scepter.

>>28966974
>denialfags still alive
Why? How?

I dunno it probably appeared in a trailer for like 2 seconds if it was in there.

>>28967009
Why ask then when there are people that still think Type:Null is the starters mixed together.

>>28966974
The riddler got nothing wrong. Stop the memeing.

>>28967031
>t. Denialfag
Denial fags are worse than the Type Null theorists

>>28967009
He's right on most things, wrong on Toucan not being Piki3 and wrong about Diglett/Dugtrio.

>>28967113
>he was wrong about the toucan because I say the toucan is Pikipeks evo
The toucan is a separate Pokémon, get over it you retard. There's always been multiple bird families every gen

>>28967137
>The toucan is a separate Pokémon

You have no evidence to support this.

>>28967165
>Pikipek's evolution is a toucan
You have no evidence to support this

>>28967165
And neither do you.

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>>28967177
Both have a dark tip on the end of their beak.

Only 3 other bird Pokemon have this, all three are related (Starly line).

Highly unlikely that GF would introduce 2 lines with dark-tipped beaks in 1 gen and have them be unrelated based on history.

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from the Japanese trailer
ディグダ Diguda aka Diglett

>>28967255
We haven't seen it though, could still have an Alola Form. Or Dugtrio could.

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>>28967232

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>>28967232

>>28967321
>2 Pokemon sharing an uncommon design feature being related by evolution is a stretch

How desperate to defend the Riddler do you have to be? No one is perfect.

>>28967232
>Both have a dark tip on the end of their beak
You would have a point if not for the fact that the most common type of toucan has a dark tip on the end of its beak.

>>28967507
So? Some hummingbirds do too. It's the basis for designing them to evolve into each other.

Wait, that is all they are doing for new mon? 76?

Also, the older mon underneath are confirmed? How do we know?

I haven't seen a lot of those in any trailers.

>>28967362
>2 pokemon share a not special desing feature
>"They should be part of the same evolutionary family"

>leaker confirmed to have info, which has never been wrong says are different families
>"That leaker should be wrong"

>"how desperate to defend Riddler do you have to be?"


Shit, dude. You're so pathetic it's not even funny laugh at you.

>>28967559
>that is all
No, Riddler update his dex.

Also yes, all those mon appear in trailers (well, their families, you know. Charizard appears, so Charmeleon and Charmander are included too).

Leaker hasn't got anything right, he's just vague enough that people make ludicrous connections afterwards to 'prove' he's correct.

>>28967362
Why are you talking about desperation when you regard feature as small as that is evidence they must be related as a family?

>>28967559
>Wait, that is all they are doing for new mon? 76?
No, the top is just keeping track of new Pokemon we know, with confirmed but unknown Pokemon being marked with an "?" while the ones with pictures are riddles posted by the leaker himself on upcoming Pokemon.

The bottom are Pokemon that appear in trailers or have cameos in the print media about S/M (like the Porygon blowdryer in the grooming picture)

>>28967628
>entrails and a fist
>sand and shovel
>a japanese monk with a fan

So fucking vague.

>>28967628
This.If Riddler really had insider info, where was the hint on Cutiefly's evo? Where's names? Where's Jangmo-O's second and third stages?
It's possible that #106-108 are the UBs but I doubt it.
Just wait unti there turns out to be more than 2 UB and 'mons that aren't listed. He's not saying anything definitive so he cant be proven wrong. basically just saying what we all already know

>>28967580
>2 pokemon share a not special desing feature
>"They should be part of the same evolutionary family"

It's not special, but it's only happened in one other line among all bird Pokemon.

>leaker confirmed to have info, which has never been wrong says are different families
>"That leaker should be wrong"

Never being wrong yet is not evidence they can't be wrong about something in the future.

>>28967637
Go find me examples of unrelated birds from the same gen having something as similar as a dark tipped beak. I'll wait.

>>28967628
>Vague
>Posts Pikachu in a blanket
>Mimikyu
>Posts a liver with fists
>Pyukumyuku (Innards Out)
>Posts a monkey and football player together
>Passimian
>Posts a famous strategist with a fan
>Oranguru

(you)

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>>28967559
>There are idiots who still can't read the grid.

>>28967559
>>28967559
109 at least (Magearna is Alola #109; Interstingly, Solgaleo is only #103 and Malshadow I think is confirmed for #105. Which means another trio between the Mythicals and the box legends.)

>>28967137
Gen 2 only had Noctowl.
Unless youre counting the psychic totempoles as birds

>>28967711
Last time I saw Lunaala was thought to be 820.
Did we confirm it?

>>28967740
820 National dex, sure. That makes it #99 Alola dex, though? Hm, that kinda throws my numbers off which is weird. Sure it wasn't #826 or something?

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Riddler has been right about literally nothing. Just coat-tailing other, more believable leaks like the Chinese leak and posting things obscure enough for /vp/ to obsess over. It's just some dude playing a ruse.

>>28967734
Skarmory

>>28967686
Do you have one of the older ones? I have only seem these with most of the pokémon already confirmed

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>>28967628

>>28967764
Who posted the Rugby monkey first? Riddler or china

>>28967768
Skarmory is Mantine's counterpart. Is Mantine a bird?
Is Skarmory an evolutionary line?

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>>28967232
You're so right. Only Toucans have dark tipped beaks.

I swear I saw a Gligar in one of the trailers but don't see him on the list. He's my favorite.

>>28967787
Chinaman.

>>28967787
China but riddler added strategist with a fan.

>>28967792
Yes, as I said both real world species can have dark tips. Using tat as a design connection for them to be joined is possible. Regional birds rarely keep the same species in final evolution especially in recent gens and especially in 3 stage lines.

>>28967686
You only think they're specific in retrospect, there could have been millions of potential 'answers' to those riddles and you would have thought they were just as specific.

>>28967764
Says the man who probably doesn't know where to even find riddlers thread.

>>28967628
>vague
>lion pokemon + bat pokemon
>Pikachu covered by a cute spooky cloth
>a bunch of organs + hands
>a pile of sand + shovel
>Aristotle
>a diplomat with a fan of leafs
>a rugby player + monkey
>anime character + its seiyu
>a khakkhara

Sure, that shit can mean everything.

>>28967835
Name one, for pikachu and the sheet and the entrails, he even but Oranguru's riddle next to Passimian's.

>>28967711
This is my take.

>102 Lunala (cool-colored legends come first, except BW where it was reversed for the titles)
>103 Solgaleo
>104 UB-01
>105 UB-02 Absorption
>106 UB-02 Beauty
>107 UB-?? (Jupiter?)
>108 UB-?? (Saturn?)
>109 Magearna
>110 Marshadow (Chinese leak calls it a Mythical and Riddler has it after Magearna)

I gave the Ultra Beasts two extra spots for Jupiter and Saturn, assuming the first three are Mercury, Venus, and Mars. It would fufill the classical planet idea

>>28967846
If they're so incredibly specific, what do the unsolved riddles represent?

>>28967798

Can someone definitively tell me a yes or a no on this one?

I think i'm crazy.

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>Despite his humble origin as a professor of literary arts, Wu Yong is actually a brilliant military strategist and advisor. He is nicknamed "Resourceful Star" for his wits, and is said to be comparable to Zhuge Liang and Chen Ping. His expertise is vital in the battle for Liangshan's cause of "delivering justice on Heaven's behalf". The Liangshan heroes rely heavily on him for battle plans.

>Instruct is a move that only Oranguru can learn. It can make the selected target use its most recent move again immediately.

From the Bulbapedia thread

"N3: Wu Yong has a nickname 'Zhi Duo Xing'
Zhi = Knowledge
Duo = Much
Xing = Star
So it's always translated as Resourceful Star.
But in Chinese, Chimp/Orangutan and Star share the same pronunciation 'XING' !!!
Wu Yong = Zhi Duo Xing = Orangutan with much knowledge
It's a riddle based on Chinese language lore.
Awesome."

This is the reason the riddler said his riddlers were for the Chinese audience.

>>28967886
Riddler has Solgaleo first, so it's 80% for it to be first. And if Marshadow is mythical we still need a non-Mythical for the trio.

>>28967917
Shit dawg, I thought is was just a smart primate with a fan. This shit's deep.

>>28967891
A ghost/psychic themed doll pokemon and a tucan.

>>28967921
No, based Riddler put it 1st so it is 100% or you're a cuck who believes starter evos aren't real and wants to fuck poppmaid!!!!!!!

>>28967886
>>28967886
>cool-colored legends come first, except BW where it was reversed for the titles
Nah it's Solgaleo -> Lunaala, and I was about to call horseshit on this but then I saw Lugia was #249, not #250 like I thought. Odd.

>>28967921
How about
>103 Solgaleo
>104 Lunala
>105 Aristotle (Ultimate UB? Riddler leaks have a dotted line between it and UB-01)
>106 UB-01
>107 UB-02 Absorption
>108 UB-02 Beauty
>109 Magearna
>110 Marshadow
>111 next mythical?
>112 final mythical?

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>>28967835
>"KOKO" in yellow letters
>millions of potential 'answers', just ludicrous connections

>>28967974
Why would one want to fuck Poppmaid if they believe she isn't real?

>>28967983
Could be this.

>>28967984
Im going to laugh when that stupid pole thing never gets answered lol

>>28968003
I want to fuck a lot of things that aren't real.

>>28967835
I wonder how many times have you came to threads like this and just derailed everything with your arguments ? Not interested ? You can just hide this thread. Simple, but I guess your autism make you look to much like an "internet hero" and try and "debunk" all of this.

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>>28968010
It already is, you idiot.

>>28968016
Touché.

>>28968010
It is going to be answered as we have come to the conclusion that the riddler might work on marketing, so he only knows things that will be revealed before release.

>>28968068
Riddler is lying.

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>>28967697

>>28968079
Burden of proof.

>>28968100
Je is lying.

>>28967891
jangmo-o's evolution is the khakhara, which is a monk's rod that is known for rattling. jangmo-o's name references rattling and jangmo-o live away in the canyons where they train, like a secluded monk.

the two girls are referencing an ice type doll. could be related to the snowman, but could be something else.

the toucan is the toucan.

statue of aristotle is the philosopher's stone.

marshadow is related to the constellation orion.

what else do you want to know? just because you're thick as pig shit doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>28967232
In that case, Charmander evolves into Magmar cause they have fire tipped tails

You fucking idiot

>>28968197
Why ice, isn't it an undead doll.

>>28968234
Now find me an example with birds. And something less common than a fire tail.

>>28968239
the actress is called yuki which means snow. and the anime girl is a doll in their anime.

>>28967734
>implying birds with a theme aren't birds
>implying owls are birds
You went double retard my friend

I'd just like to say Oranguru is the best defense against vagueness and riding other leaks since the riddler was the only leak that alluded to a Pokemon like that and >>28967917 shows multiple references to it.

>>28967921
>still need a non-Mythical for the trio
>who is Zygarde

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>>28967697
>"Since it has almost never happened in one other line in the past six generations of Pokemon, it doesn't exist"
>"Lana is the best gym leader! Hau didn't pick the starter weak to yours, you must be blind! UBs are just another name for pokemon! I know this because GF has never attempted change in the history of pokemon ever!!1!11!!"

>>28968264
Definitely a doll, the ice is kinda too convinent.
Also if Marshadow is closer to Orion and less close to the other 2 legends, we might be looking at a god of war/warrior pokemon and not a manticore like we thought.

>>28968313
It's not really fair since I know the answer and that the riddler is wrong on this, but it's nice watching you all freak out.

>GF changed some other stuff so now everything is changed!!!

>>28968349
>It's not really fair since I know the answer and that the riddler is wrong on this, but it's nice watching you all freak out.
>"Y-YEAH, MY DAD IS GAMEFREAK"
Every thread.

>>28968349
If you can't prove it, then GTFO, mr John.

>>28968261
Pidgey and Noctowl both have eyebrows

Pidgey and Articuno both have crests on their heads and three toes

Spearow, Fearow and Zapdos are all spiky

Hoothoot and Natu are round

>>28968414
Bothering to answer to a troll, that's time you could have spent doing something actually fun.

>>28968403
You can't prove it's not related either and are relying on the word of another anonymous stranger so.

>>28968414
Pidgey and Noctowl

Same gen? Nope.

>Pidgey and Articuno both have crests on their heads and three toes

They also have beaks, like who cares about that they have toes and crests? Not the same as a tipped beak.

>Spearow, Fearow and Zapdos are all spiky

Not spiky in the same way on the same spot.

>Round

So is 80% of Gen 2 also not the same as a beak tip.

>>28968439
>I disagree so it's a troll

Haha, the collage I'm making for when I'm right and the Riddler is wrong is gonna be great.

>>28968460
>Not the same as a tipped beak
>It's not the same because I say so

>>28968460
>these Pokémon that are similar aren't cause i said so
So cross gen evos don't count cause they aren't the same gen?

I bet you thought Grubbin became a coconut crab too, you fucking retard

You better post that collage so we can laugh at you when you're wrong, cause the Riddler hasn't been wrong at all.

>>28968460
>collage
>Riddler wrong
Oh god you are so cute...

>>28968516
>I bet you thought Grubbin became a coconut crab too, you fucking retard

No, I knew Grubbin became Vikavolt. It's actually you guys ignoring the obvious design similiarities for [reasons] who are like the Grubbin twits.

>>28968514
>It thinks a bird having toes is the same as a coloration.

>>28968460
>Those things aren't the same because I said so hurr hurr
Do yourself a favor and swallow a large handful of cyanide pills

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>>28967917
I almost forgot

>Resourceful Star

Check Oranguru's forehead

>>28968679
You really think Fearow and Zapdos look alike? I'd barely describe Fearow as spiky but it's a stretch at best.

>>28967921

possible, but not certain. gen II had no trio master (as ho-oh and lugia were masters of their own trios)

similarly, Gen VI had some firsts too - notably being the first gen without a legendary trio that isn't box legendaries

Gen I - Birds
Gen II - Beasts
Gen III - Regis
Gen IV - Lake Trio
Gen V - Swords of Justice (minus keldeo)

so it's not inconceivable that Gen VII would drop the third legend that complements the box legendaries.

Hey, retarded piece of shit (aka >>28968460 ), you have something to say to this?
>>28967917
>>28968681

>>28969040
Never said he was wrong about everything, just wrong about this. And Dugtrio. Learn to read.

>>28969070
how is he wrong about dugtrio when aether literally talk about diglett in a cave? you think the diglett in that cave don't count towards the alola dex?

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Pros:
>Dark colored back
>White/light colored chest which continues up to surround the eyes
>Prominent beak with dark tip
>Unlikely based on history for 2 seperate lines to have such simillar coloration in same gen

Cons:
>Riddler daddy implied no

I chose to go with my own eyes than the word of an anonymous stranger.

>>28969114
Has them there in their regular form not their Alola form.

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>tfw you're a simple rube and don't know anything about how to read this starchart

>>28969167
how do you know they have an alolan form?

and besides, he deals in riddles, if they have alolan forms he's not going to add them to that part of the table because that's not a riddle.

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>>28967009
If i'm not mistaken, someone came forward the other night and had a bout with the riddler about how much he actually knows.

The riddler, if I'm not mistaken, defended himself with some pretty stupid shit only a faker could come up with.

Don't quote me on it, since I was only awake about the time shit started "getting real" and I just wanted to retire from all the /vp/ bullshit that went on that day.

Just saying it's likely what people on /vp/ are clinging to right now, if it's anything at all.

>>28969201
Yet he feels more than comfortable putting the UBs with the Pokemon, even though that's not been confirmed. Odd how that is?

>>28969211
Are you talking about the "my riddles are for the Chinese audience only stuff" when he got mad at the person for translating his stuff wrong and getting everyone to call him a liar?

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>People can't even agree on what these 'totally specific and obvious' riddles mean

>>28969237
Probably. Again though, was only there when things were starting to get around. I was fed up with anything to do with leaks and the riddler, so i just said "fuck it, i'ma sleep" when I seen it crop up.

>>28969216
>what is a false equivalency

UBs are completely new for the franchise, surrounded by secrecy and not confirmed to even be pokemon or catchable. the ones he's added have also been REVEALED.

dugtrio isn't new and its form hasn't been revealed. not even remotely the same. what sort of riddle could he put for an alolan dugtrio that wouldn't be just outright confirming it rather than riddling it?

also nice going ignoring the question where i asked how you know they have alolan forms and should be included in the table.

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You know this whole thread and arguments made me realize for the first time in years that Diglett and Dugtrio don't have a middle evo.

The more you know...

>>28969255
>people can't agree on what a riddles means
That's why are riddles, you know. Retard

>>28969324
People getting different answers to them proves my point that there ARE different answers and so they're not as specific as people are claiming they are in retrospect. Retard.

>>28969277
And yet he puts them in between Pokemon. If they were something completely new he could easily have done a seperate table or section like for the old mons. Putting them together is admitting something about them that has not been officially confirmed yet.

And I know for the same reason the other real leaders know stuff.

>>28969255
>>28969354
>people can be retarded or ignorant so specific riddles are vague

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Why must we always argue about things? This thread started off with a simple question and became a shitstorm.

Time will answer all questions.

>>28969383
you're not even answering the questions i'm asking, you're just replying with vague non-arguments that don't further your point and instead go on a tangent.

you need to explain why dugtrio is wrong for not being in the table, not start pointing out how the confirmed ultra beasts are in the table instead. because the ultra beasts aren't relevant to your complaint at all.

>>28969401
>I'm right and everyone who disagrees is wrong because I said so

>>28969432
it's because one anon hates the riddler and shitposts in every riddler thread. it's like the same anon that's always shitposting about serebii joe.

>>28969441
If he knew about Alolan Dugtrio he could have made a riddle or just implicitly confirmed it. He is fine doing implicit confirmations in other ways (UBS with Pokemon) so maybe he doesn't know. Either way, regular Dugtrio is what he specified in his list so when A-Dugtrio is confirmed he will have been wrong.

>>28969451
>"I'm right"
I never say that. I no have fucking idea about "Riddler's riddles"... and that means nothing. Our ignorance doesn't make its riddlers unspecific, that's you who think if you don't have idea about that riddlers means aren't specific. We are all ignorant about some chinese riddler, but only you denialfags are genuinely stupid.

>>28969560
>when A-Dugtrio is confirmed
So A-Dugtrio is a thing, and your reliable source is...? "Chinese leaks"? "Real leaks"? "Riddler leaks"? No, you're full of shit, that's all.

>>28969560
anon, you're still acting like alolan dugtrio is a confirmed thing that we know exists. if you're going to keep going with that provide some proof it's real instead.

>>28969579
>People can come with multiple possible answers that can fit the clues perfectly
>'It's totally specific with only one possible answer'

Why isn't greninja on there?

>>28969621
I am real leaks.

>>28969640

>>28967917

>>28969675
No, I'm real leaks, stop pretending to be me

>>28969675
You are a human disgrace.

>>28969745
sorry that your precious riddles is wrong.

>>28969167
>Similar coloration
>Two tone shirt

Also, many birds IRL have lighter chests than backs, including the toucan and woodpecker.

I can see why you think they have so much in common, but the connection is not nearly as strong as you so painfully want it to be.

>>28969777
>sorry your riddle is wrong!!!
>i won't provide proof at all i'll just keep shitposting and say it's wrong that'll show em!!!

>>28969805
Ok, but why is both real life birds having similar colors evidence they're not related any more than evidence for why GF may have selected them to be related by evolution?

>>28969859
Not really what I said. I said that MANY birds have a lighter chest than back.

There are also many birds with black coloration.

Simple characteristics like these do not imply anything, one way or the other.

Real leaks:
-Ultra Beasts arrive through Ultra Breaches
-Another trial captain is called Alyx
-Alolan forms for Golem, Rapidash, Venomoth and Arbok

>>28969167
>Diglett in a cave
>Alolan
Yeah, sounds like a totally new Diglett, not a regular Ground type Diglett.

>>28970163
Yeah coz non of the othere Alola mon have kept their original type.

>>28970178
>still grasping at straws

Anon, why you refuse your defeat? Riddler got nothing wrong yet. You have just theories, he have real info. You can't win, you're making a fool of yourself. Seriously.

>>28970615
>He'said not been wrong yet so he never will be

That's not how it works, anon.

The toucan and Pikipek are unrelated. Riddler would have the toucan in one of the "?" spots next to Pikipek if it were an evo.

This is almost as retarded as that one anon who believed Charjabug and Vikavolt were unrelated to Grubbin and that Grubbin would become a coconut crab instead.

Ok, been a while since I caught up with the Riddler, so mind reminding me what each of the unsolved images are and the relevance of the previous Pokemon?

>>28971079
Except people are ignoring the similarities this time to match up with the riddler.

>>28971288
What similarities?

>>28971355
Dark beak tip, dark wings and back with white chest that extends up to eyes.

>>28971288
The similarities based on a low res shirt decal.

When it comes to whose side to fall on, the proven leaker or some autist on a mongolian message board I'll go with the proven leaker any day.

>>28971405
>I chose to follow blindly instead of using my own eyes

Good for you.

>>28971370
>TWO
>TONE
>TSHIRT

>COMMON BIRD COLORATION

Please stop, it's embarrassing me now.

>>28971370
So you've seen the toucan Pokemon then? I mean, you sound pretty sure that the toucan 'mon and Pikipek will have the same coloration.

>>28971433
>It's just a coincidence that the two tones match 2/3 of Pikipek's colors.

Go find all of these common, unrelated bird Pokemon with chest colors that continue up and surround the eyes other than these two.

>>28971419
Evidently, it's better than going by your blind ass eyes.

>>28971479
>two tones match pikipek's color.

I forgot Pikipek was Dark Blue, Grey and Red.

>>28971479
The shirt is light bluegrey and dark bluegrey.
I can't quite understand the second half of your post. I assume this is still about light bottom coloration and dark top coloration? This is a common bird feature and does not imply relation. I urge you to look at many bird Pokemon and you may notice that they also have this basic scheme of light bottom, dark top.

>>28971527
Yeah but none have a chest color that continues up past their neck and surrounds the eyes except these two that I can tell.

>>28971479
>other than these two
What two?

No, really, you only have Pikipek to base your argument on.

Besides, Pikipek's a woodpecker, not a toucan.

>>28966809
This isn't supposed to be the full dex, right? There's no way that can be right.
Is this just all of them they're planning on revealing prerelease, or what?
>less than 80 new Pokemon, counting Alola forms as new Pokemon
>Komala, Wimpod, Salandit, Comfey, Bounsweet, Morelull, Tortunator, and Pyukumuku are all single stage
>No fossils, no pseudo
>No unrevealed Alola mons except Persian
>Only Ultra Beasts are UB1s or UB2s

>>28971543
I'm missing why that is so important? The rough image of a toucan on a shirt has light color from feet to eyes. Pikipek has light coloration from eyes to just below the neck. This is a very simple similarity and struggles to prove anything, but I suppose it is by some stretch a similarity.

I understand that one would want to draw a connection from this, but I don't see how it could be made from a logical standpoint. Taking such a basic feature and running with it is too much for me to accept, I'm sorry. I'm not saying it's impossible but I am saying that to call this tshirt evidence is quite ridiculous.

In short, the tshirt is too simple to draw any conclusions whatsoever from, besides that it is a toucan and pikipek is woodpecker and they are both birds, thus share base characteristics.

>>28971632
This is not a full dex. It's just a catalogue of everything we know so far.

>>28971632
No, it's not the full dex and it has been explained what it is a couple of times in the thread.

I'm a denialfag and what is this?

Brionne is a fakemon

>>28971607
Also this. I don't think it's called cherrypicking, but picking such a small interval of solution is not intellectually sound. Obviously no one can find a Pokemon like pikipek. Pikipek is pikipek.

>>28971607
The toucan and Pikipek. You can clearly see white around its eye extending up from it's neck/torso.

>Besides, Pikipek's a woodpecker, not a toucan.

>Seagull to Pelican
>Robin to Falcon
>Pigeon to Pheasant

Yeah, woodpecker to toucan is impossible!

>>28971643
If it was found in any other bird Pokemon, let alone ones in 2 separate line from the same generation I'd be inclined to agree, but there are none that I can see.

>>28971710
If what was found? Light coloration on bottom and dark on the top? If you would look at many bird Pokemon, you would see almost all of them follow this scheme.

Or now the important part is that the eyes are included in the area of lightness? How is that any different then light bottom/dark top besides drawing a tighter boundary around your supposed solution set? Again I do see that is technically a similarity but a similarity of such a basic thing does not mean anything. Also I am totally fine with the possibility of pikipek->toucan, i just don't think there is any evidence besides birds look like birds.

Two laptops are black, then same manufacturer. Charmander and magmar have fire tails, they're related. Luvdisc and amolololomola. Carbink and diancie. Pidgey and farfetchd. I need more than they have a simple feature such as color in common.

I respectfully disagree. If I wasn't respectful I apologize mang.

>>28971710
I know making a retarded argument would pay off. So putting aside the woodpecker-toucan shit:

>toucan and Pikipek
The problem with this is that you're basing your argument based on a real life toucan.
While this itself isn't wrong - because some Pokemon tend to have the same color as their real life counterpart - the fact that you put so much faith in this argument seems a bit... I don't know, biased?
If I don't know any better, I'd say you just hate the Riddler because he posted Poppmaid and friends. Being right as he is, that pretty much put all doubt about the leaks away.

>>28969167
Real Pros:
>Have coloration similarities that both the actual species happen to share, as well as hundreds of other bird species that I am choosing to ignore
>Muh beak tip

Real Cons:
>All pokemon bird lines have remained the same species (or at least theme) of bird. Pidey became a bigger Pigeon, Seagull pokemon becomes pelican pokemon (both birds associated with water). A woodpecker and a toucan have literally no connections to one another aside from some basic colorations
>Curved beak vs straight beak

You are retarded.

>>28971669
Slowpoke tail is either poor bait or attached to a Slowpoke

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>>28967792
That's not a toucan, THIS is a toucan.

>>28970163
Not grasping-at-straws chan but I wouldn't mind seeing a diglett of another earthy type like rock, steel, or fighting

>>28971794
>It doesn't mean anything

Except it's a basic thing that isn't present in any other Mon. And these two are coming in the same gen. I know you've got stuff like Charmander and Magmar, but it just feels unusual for there to be 2 unrelated bird lines in the same gen with such a similarity when the design hasn't been seen before.

>>28971813
>The problem with this is that you're basing your argument based on a real life toucan.

I'm basing it off what's seen in the t-shirt image.

>If I don't know any better, I'd say you just hate the Riddler because he posted Poppmaid and friends. Being right as he is, that pretty much put all doubt about the leaks away.

That's a stupid assumption to make. I believe in everything else the leaker has done, I just think they are wrong on this.

>>28971838
>All pokemon bird lines have remained the same species (or at least theme) of bird

Except Wingull, Fletchling, Pidove, and you know, them.

>both birds associated with water
Reaching.

>literally no connections to one another aside from some basic colorations

So they have literally no connection other than the connection they have?

>>28971479
You can dye your clothes

>>28971710
robin to falcon?

>>28971958
Fletchling to Talonflame

>>28971933

Good. So we can agree that the original was probably black and white.

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Abstract one or the other a bit to put on a stupid tshirt.

BOOM EVOLUTION. :P

>>28971920
>Pelicans which fly over the sea and catch fish being related to oceans is a stretch
>seagulls that literally have the word "sea" in their name being related to the sea is a stretch

>Pigeons and pheasants are not associated in region to New York (the place the game they were in was based off of)

Jesus this is just embarrassing now. Seriously, there is nothing you can gain from a single toned shirt about what this toucan pokemon is going to look like, aside from being a toucan. Any argument over body colors being the same is literally pulled right out of your ass or from the real world toucan and woodpecker, which in no way supports your claim at all. There are plenty of birds with colors on the ends of their beaks, that is in no way a reason to believe they are going to be a part of pikipek's evolution line.

Jesus Christ this thread is full of shit flinging autists.

You denialfags could make straw grasping and Olympic goddam event.

>>28969432
shitposting is a very effective bait, I suppose.

Probably the same person or group of people that call the starter leaks "fakemon" every thread that mentions them.

anyways, actually on topic, I do recall people talking about seeing dugtrio, might go through all the trailers to see if I can find it.

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Each time one makes an assumption, the claim loses credibility. One of the pokemon in question isn't even a POKEMON yet. It is a simple design on a tshirt that is two shades of the same color. A design that as a bird, looks like a bird.

>>28972036
>There are plenty of birds with colors on the ends of their beaks

And only one other family of Pokemon. But you think they'll coincidentally introduce 2 lines with a similar feature in a gen with less than 100 new mon. Sure, anon

>>28972090
>Introducing two lines of birds in the same gen is impossible
>especially if they both share an incredibly common bird trait

While you're at it, is it also impossible for them to introduce more than one bird line with eyeballs?

>>28972105
We've already got to bird lines in this gen, you're suggesting (at least) 3.

>>28971905
A Ground/Steel Diglett with a drill on their head?
Which will prompt a whole lot of TTGL reference for years to come?

Count me in!

>>28971920
>t-shirt image
Then that's even more foolish.
I mean, we've seen a couple of Pokemon on a lot of t-shirt already, so why does this matter more than those?

Hell, I think there was a t-shirt with a Meganium on it, with the color being yellow (body) and green (petal), and Meganium's none of that.

>stupid assumption
It is, and I do apologize for that.
But with how much you're arguing about this, I got a feeling something is... amiss.

>>28972117
>three bird lines
>at least four

Fixed

>>28972130
>But with how much you're arguing about this, I got a feeling something is... amiss.

Yeah, I know the answer and want as many people on record being wrong as possible.

>>28972090
>less than 100 new mon.
Holy shit, guys! Someone who works at Game Freak is here! Any other insider tips you'd have to work at GF to know you want to share?

>>28972130
>A Ground/Steel Diglett with a drill on their head?

yeah that sure isn't excadrill anon, good idea.

>>28972117
Oh right there is oricorio too, but that doesn't change much. Gen 5 had 3, including pidove, braviary and the vulture.

Gen 1 also had pidgey, spearow, and three bird legendaries, so either 3 or 5 depending on whether you count the legends as a family or not.

>>28972155
>>28972158
He said it! He knows the answer!

John Q. Gamefreak, it REALLY IS you! Please, please, tell us! Any new mega evolutions? Who are the rest of the Alola forms? Do Alola forms count as new pokemon in the <= 100???

>>28972158
Riddler and real leaks have said as much, but whatever.

>>28972174
You're also forgetting Farfetch'd, the Doduo line and the Psyduck line for Gen 1.

>>28972272
oh fuck you're right. Yeah so basically saying that there would be too many birds is just getting to be a more and more retarded argument.

>>28972291
>Comparing a gen with 150 mon to one with less than 100

Mmm, I'm the one with the retarded argument.

>>28972372
>less than 100
>we don't know how many there are

yes, you are.

>>28972155
Then why base your argument on a t-shirt?
Hell, while we're at it, why argue at all?
Personally, if I knew the answer, I'd go around being mysterious and shit instead of getting into an endless argument. It's more fun that way.

>>28972164
>good idea
Thank you. ;3

Oh shit, doing that creeps me out more than it should.

In my defense, I wasn't exactly being serious.

>>28972408
Riddler has hinted as much.

>>28972416
I did for a while but no one got my hints (although surprised anyone remembered the Ash-Greninja demo one, maybe my others will be remembered later?) Watching people lose their shit is fun.

Anyway, I'm done now. You may go back to being wrong in peace.

>>28972446
>Riddler has hinted as much.
>source: My ass

Not surprised to hear that you're that guy. You got one thing right, and now you're power tripping, thinking people are buying it. That's why Riddler debunking your alolan diglett has you so butt blasted.

Enjoy your few weeks of power, anon, can't wait to watch it all come tumbling down on your head. Please stream the suicide when it does.

>>28972155
Hey, I've been lurking and I've finally been baited in to giving you a (You). If you're proud of that, congrats.

Anyway, no one else has said it yet so I feel the need to tell you you have some pretty serious autism. And I don't mean in the meme/insult kind of way, I'm being literal and serious.

Your autism is getting in the way of you not being retarded. You're sperging over these random specific details that you decided to cling to (tip of beak being dark-ish) and now no amount of logic or argument will make you back down.

Then to top it all off, you pretended to have some sort of inside information, as if this was some roleplay forum.

You need to work on your autism before you come back to post. Seriously. It'll help your quality of life, and it'll help me stop getting so fucking triggered when I see a retard spouting off online.

Anyway, thanks. Have a good one!

>>28972446
>Ash-Greninja demo one
Oh, that one.

Eh, I work under the "false until proven" mindset anyway, so until that leak got more than one thing right, I'd believe the Riddler more.
No offense.

>>28972486
He did, actually.

I don't remember the exact post, but the Riddler did hint at Lunala's dex number.
Extrapolating from that info gives us around... 90 Pokemon or so.

>>28970776
He said not been wrong yet and actually have real info, so Riddler is objectively a reliable source, not like you, just a dumb making assumptions and theorizing.
There is absolutely no reason why we should distrust Riddler but trust your theories. That's a fact. That's how it works.