>The music >The cutscene >Unova Gym Leaders rushing

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Nope.

>>28958179
Red is overrated and this is coming from a massive Johtofag. Even when I was younger I thought he was overrated.

>>28958151
Hgss>bw/bw2>oras=xy=dpp>frlg

>>28958151
Sorry senpai but hgss is still bossing but sun and moon certainly has a chance to.overthrown it

>>28958225
>Sorry senpai but hgss is still bossing

With what a lame encounter that changes into a battle without any later context?

Both BW and BW2 cutscenes and plot shit on HGSS storywise. Heck even AZ meeting Floette in XY is better

>>28958187
damn i guess he really must be since you've said so huh?

>>28958151
>Being able to take that scene seriously at all
>When they somehow built a colossal fortress bigger than the already large pokemon league
>Without anyone in the pokemon leagure noticing
>And feeling the need to build a dozen massive ramps inside

Also

>gym leaders show up to help
>elite four nowhere to be seen, despite being right there

Not to mention that creepy moment where you have to go in N's room. Honestly, this killed a lot of the tension. Would it really have been that bad to just face off against N in the champion room?

>>28958256
No with having two regions too explore.

>>28958289
>http://kotaku.com/starter-pokemons-feminine-evolution-is-bothering-some-f-1787416839
Two smallest regions of all time so empty and small that they feel like a single bigger one

Unova from BW2 is bigger than 2 gen kanto+johto

>>28958289
>Liking GSC/HGSS Kanto

>>28958287
>elite four wasn't there - you defeated them so they had time to heal their Pokemon. That's why leaders were send

I don't remember much of it. I just wanted to get it all over with.

>>28958401
Ah, yes, the time-consuming process of hopping onto one of those teleporter pads, walking 5 feet out the gate to the pokemon center, and waiting 10 seconds for the nurse to heal their team.

Clearly they'd get there much faster than the gym leaders, who would have no way of knowing you'd need help with a giant castle suddenly appearing.

>>28958516
>and waiting 10 seconds for the nurse to heal their team
>He thinks healing is actually an instant process in the Pokemon world

>>28958544
If I can give a pokemon a centers equivalent treatment within 2-3 turns of a battle from stuff in my pocket, I should hope an advanced medical center shouldnt take more than a few minutes.

That's also just one of the many things that ruin what should be a dramatic moment. The entire scene is silly with a bunch of potholes if you stop and think.

>>28958179
Why post fanart that makes it look infinitely more exciting than it was to try and prove your point.

>>28958179
Why do the pokemon look like they're missing a few chromosomes?

>>28958151
This. Shit was incredibly hype, I loved all of it. The only game where gym leaders actually did something.

Ignore Johtofags who can't help but ruin any BW thread they see.

>>28958151
I agree it is the best. So far

>>28958802
Because that might not have been how it looked, but that's sure as shit how it felt. Do you have any idea how I lost my shit the first time I met red on top of mount silver? A lot.

>>28958151
It was quite obvious that from there it could only go downhill.

Was that bw or bw2?

Can't even remember

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>The music
>The cutscene
>The feels
>The death/life gods and their intros
>Lysandre getting BTFO
>Firing the ultimate weapon
>Floette's return
>Credit music
Best storyline in the series.

>>28958289
Yeah two regions with barely any content.

>>28958287
>where you have to go in N's room.
You never have to go into it. It's solely your choice to do so.

>>28960163
BW. I loved the ending of that game.
>amazing last city which differs upon game you play
>Victory Road with breathtaking music and outright legendary badge check
>elite four where you can choose the order and all of them are equally tough with good coverage
>everything OP described

It was such an awesome ending, plus that end credits theme really put it over the edge man bw was so good (postgame notwithstanding)

>>28958281
He is overrated, he is just a trainer (hero) like you for fucks sake.

>>28958289
They needed two regions because they alone were absolutely void and dead

I like how the main villain defeated AFTER you beat the Elite 4, unlike in Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Kalos where it was before the 8th gym.

>>28958151
I agree with you. N is the great antagonist as he has complete opposite ideology to you, has a muscle to prove his point(unlike Silver who are too weak) and oppose your progress the whole game. The moment your friends say goodbye at route 10 and the moment you cross the bridge you knew the stake is too high to lost. If you failed, N would definitely succeed in seperating pokemon and human so you must defeat him at all cost. Only moment that come equal is the final battle with your bitter rival in red/blue and final Cyrus platinum battle.

>>28958151
It's somewhat underwhelming coming from Platinum, though. Having just seen the antagonist summon two dragons only to get cockblocked by a 3rd ghost dragon and dragged into the twilight zone, BW simply wasn't quite as exciting anymore. Summoning one dragon to fight another just pales in comparison.

>not riding fug into a battle against an alien

>>28960117
Your standards must be really low then

>>28958151
>N's Farewell
Those first few notes still get me a little

>>28960972
this

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This was the first real "Holy Shit!" moment in the series and one of the most exciting.

>>28961142
True but no longer the best

>>28960588
Eh, gen 4 jumped the shark in many ways so while it was grandiose it was also extremely underwhelming. I didn't help that it progressed in a similar way to the gen 3 games making things feel derivative. Plus the scenes surrounding that moment had better presentation and animation.

>>28958151
>Anon make your dream come true, you can do it
>goodbye
>credits
best fucking ending in the pokemon history. Hopefully SM will make it even more epic.

>>28963295
>N jumps on his fucking Boeing-jet Pokemon and blasts away
Epic end indeed

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Playing black2 now.

>>28960943
Yeah, probably because I was 12.

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>>28963387
Where is this from?

>>28963903
The black and white manga

>>28963387
Look at that BULGE
holy shit, why they so lewd

>>28963934
dude, that's a seam and some creases.

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>>28963917
Thanks man.

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B/W's near-end sequence is great, but the mystery dungeon ending always made me cry, because I'm a huge baby.

>>28963917
That's fucked up

>>28963387
FUCKING CHAIRMAN IKUTSUKI

>>28963903
Persona 3.

>>28964683
>>28964151
>P3 mind

This board need to be ridden of unovabortions

Alder is totally forgettable and Ghetsis is the fucking worst villain of the entire series and trust me when i say pokemon villains are far from being the best written characters in media

BW and BW2 have plenty of good moments in them and are good games, but the scene OP just described its cringeworthy at its best. The plot is so incredibly stupid that you just want to get over it as fast as you can so you can fight and capture pokemons again

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>>28964123
There are worse

>>28965160
>posting a screenshot of an image file

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>>28965217
I'm dead tired to even think, anon
Leave me alone

>>28958151
I don't want a pissing contest, I loved N's castle about as much as Red's battle. Its music is still some of my favourite, and I really just hope Sun and Moon can provide a climactic environment as well as gens 2 and 5 did. Cynthia's initial battle also felt kinda "epic" to me as a preteen, but it was because I wasn't particularly "good" at it. Meeting Steven in meteor falls was at least pretty cool, too.

>>28960195
It would've been, if the entire plot wasn't a single 5 minute plot dump near the end of the game.
God I'm so upset this amazing plot was ruined by shit pacing. It could've been so much more. Fuck X/Y

>>28960387
FUCKING THIS HOLY SHIT
I'm so happy S/M got rid of the gym/elite 4 system so now maybe they can make it so the evil team and box legendary stuff happens at the ACTUAL END OF THE GAME. Nothing annoys me more than beating the evil team, catching some legendary god beast, saving the world, and then having to go back to fighting underleveled scrubs while I make my way to the final gym and elite 4. B/W did it so well, I have no idea why the went back to the shitty old structure in X/Y

>>28966097
Now that I think about it, the Parfum Palace would be the perfect place for that exposition and then later when you meet AZ he just gives you more details from his point of view and talk about his Floette

>>28958151
why do my balls smell like pepper chips?

>>28965452
I think BW2 could have provided something similar to Red's battle by using the missing trainer from the previous game. It could even be using our team through a form of connectivity between the two games. I just thought that saying the protag was searching for a friend and not actually finding anything throghout the whole game was kinda disappointing and a missed oportunity.

>>28958179
>Be hyped for this battle
>Only used one of the Pokemon I used
>Hype killed

>>28966321
They planned to do that in the PWT( the sprites and dialogue are still in the game) but at the last minute decided against it for reasons we'll never know

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>>28966364

>>28965095
>Ghetsis is the fucking worst villain of the entire series
Giovanni and Lysandre exist

>>28966321
Actually, they did. Sort of.

Benga acts as the "Red" of the game. Debatebly even more challenging.

N is also rematchable, comparable to Blue.

Cheren and Bianca are rematchable, and if you use memory link, their teams will carry over from B/W, which creates the personal connection comparable to finding "You" on Mt. Silver.

So while you don't literally find Hilda/Hilbert (I suspect it was cut, or planned for a third game, but they never got around to it) the sentiments, intents, and purposes are all there through multiple post-game battles.

>>28966372
I swear to god if that was actually his fault

>>28966406
>Giovanni
>worst villain
Not even a genwunner, but gio is top-tier villain: no pretentious speeches, no weird costume, no hare brained scheme with unmaking the universe/earth/life, he's simply a mafia boss

>>28965095
>Ghetsis is the fucking worst villain of the entire series
>Literally the only one to break the status quo of villains in the story
>The only one to ever be challenging in the slightest
The fuck is wrong with you?

>>28966490
>gio is top-tier villain
bruh
he is top tier garbage.
team rocket being the most annoying grunts doesn't help either

>>28966473
No, what I said doesn't actually happen, but it's hinted so hard throughout the whole game you are left to wonder why it didn't happen. It just made sense!

>>28966490
That's why I don't particularly like him (well his outfit is cool), I don't find him interesting or anything, and if you were to remove him and his team, it'd affect nothing

>>28960017
Uhh, u wot? I have literally never seen any Johtofag shit on Gen 5. Ever.

In fact, the common thing and popular opinion that I see posted, is that B2W2 and HGSS are the best games, Gen 2 and 5 respectively.

Everybody knows its the Hoennbabbies that shit things up wherever they go, because of their ugly duckling generation, and universally disappointing remakes.

>>28958211
Move OR/AS to the bottom and I'll agree

>>28966551
And put dpp after that.

>>28958323
>>28960202
>>28960378
What the fuck is this meme? Have you guys just not fucking played HG/SS?

HG/SS have the second-most content of any Pokémon game after B2/W2, and even then it's incredibly close.

Both Kanto and Johto had plenty of content, moreso than most other games in the franchise. Seriously, compare HG/SS's Kanto to any other Post-Game.

Assuming you're not a shitposter, and you actually have played the games, you'll know that there is no other Post-Game comparable.

And you'll notice I am specifying HG/SS Kanto. GSC was admittedly a lot smaller, but the remakes added a lot of more shit to do that I think people just iterally don't know/forgot about

But no, for real, drop this "no content" meme. Just go to serebii and look at all the shit to do in HG/SS. There's no reasonable way to claim the games didn't have a substantial amount of content, even across two regions, without simply being wrong.

>>28961142
This was mind blowing to me.

Also, getting the ticket to Kanto from Oak was the greatest surprise of my life.

>>28966612
It's almost like they're talking about GSC

>>28966720
Only one of the posters specified GCS, which is why I didn't (you) him. The rest appeared to be talking about the Johto games in general.

>>28966731
Fair enough, HG/SS did a great job at updating what you could do in GSC

>>28958151
Could not agree more, BW and BW2 are easily the best games in the series

>>28958179
This was the most mediocre super boss in history... Freaking swept by a lv 60 Donphan.

>>28958225
BW and B2W2 took a shit on HGSS, they upped the ante very hard, Aldo Red in PWT was the easy win whenever he appeared, his team and thematic really made him the weakest link as far as superbosses go in the Pokémon franchise.

Don't let nostalgia get the best out if you anon.

>>28966612
Played HGSS, less trainers in Johto and Kanto than Platinum+unlocked extra areas areas and BW/B2W2 1.5 region unlock.

From 3 side quests to 5 in HGSS... Too much content bro! Daily wise B2W2 defeats this shit over story mode.

Shit level curve, shit capture levels, shit content.

The only good thing that came out of HGSS was the Pokeatlon, the rest was a barren piece of nothingness, don't let nostalgia get the best out of you anon.

>>28958211
pretty much this.
but put BW down with oras and co. unova pokemon were ugly as fuck

>>28967212
You sound like you're letting bias cloud you. There is a plethora of stuff to enjoy in HG/SS.

They're predominantly regarded as the best games in the franchise by the majority of the fanbase, and if you can't at least see why they are beloved, then you are blinded.

And no, it isn't just "nostalgia", or else OR/AS would be even more popular than HG/SS.

>>28958151
Your opinion, not mine.

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I actually laughed out loud at how fucking ridiculous the situation was.
I somehow found the magic castle horseshit to be less believable than Cyrus going full I AM A GOD.

>>28958151
N and dennis were shit villains.
BW2 was nice tho

>>28958544
You already got BTFO, stop trying

I'm sorry but the part about a castle coming out of the ground and all these stairs put me off a bit. The rest is great.

>>28960017
>Ignore Johtofags who can't help but ruin any BW thread they see

Oh but you're wrong, it's always the unovabortions who can't help but shill their mediocre region and shit on anyone else with a different opinion

>>28966492
>Literally the only one to break the status quo of villains in the story

Ghetsis is literally "HAHA I'M EVIL", you're delusional if you think he's unique in any way

>>28967565
>it's always the unovabortions who can't help but shill their mediocre region
This.

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>>28958151
the op saltiness
pokemon hgss is the most based game of the entire franchise man. Unova was a shit region.
shitty pokemons. Boring ass storyline and unmemorable characters. Nah spare me your N crap the guy was an idiot. The only good thing that came out of it is pwt.

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>>28967746
Goddamn. Red, Gold and Ruby get me hot in a heartbeat.

>>28967795
>Gold and Ruby

>>28968150
yes, gold and ruby.

>>28965095
Hydreigon begs to differ, he is the only villain that was actually successful without things backfiring.

Legends or not he is still the hardest team boss fight in the franchise.

>>28966321
You mean PWT and over 8 different superboss battles where disappointing?

Especially freaking N using seasonal teams, dude don't be blinded by the nostalgia, B2W2 delivered harder than any other game.

Freaking beating Benga also gave you a shiny to boot.

>>28960588
I found it to be much better after Platinum but I'm one of those guys who thinks DPPt are just not good in any way.

>>28967309
Dude, they are blinded by the nostalgia.

Shit dex, shit level curve, less trainer fights, barren as bones Kanto, 5 side quests isn't real postgame content.

Talking objectively they are garbage by game standards.

>>28966490
Giovanni is generic as fuck, that's why he sucks. He's not interesting in the slightest of you ignore obnoxious headcanons:

>>28969213
Not him, but to be fair I kinda feel that way about B/W. I actually liked a decent amount of the dex and thought it was neat that they tried to make gyms a bit harder. I had to force myself to finish it though, and even after I unlocked the rest of the region and the ability to transfer mons from Gen 4, I just quit playing soon after.

>all these buttblasted johtoddlers
Stay mad.

>>28966551
Fighting the primals was pretty fucking great. Same with deoxys.

>>28958151
I don't understand why so much of /vp/ hates BW. It should be crowned the best Pokemon game ever made. Even though it had sub-par graphics, it still makes X/Y look like a joke in comparison. It is my favorite Pokemon game and even though a lot of the gen 5 mons sucked hard, it is the only game that I have played so far that is truely impressive.

>>28969502
BW and B2W2 do have flaws but a lot of people just want to boil them down to "muh shitmons" which is retarded because those are subjective designs and shouldn't impact if the game is objectively good.

>>28967090

>Implying he's a superboss.

He's the final boss, if you want him as a superboss, fight him in PS2.

>>28967636

You understimate how cliche and tropey gamefreak can write, let alone on a bad day.

>>28969739
Superboss means optional.

Red is optional with Mt silver being post game.

Steven Stone in Esmerald is another one.

Barry follows this trope.

Red is a Superboss, and a mediocre one to boot.

>>28967636
I think it's interesting only due to the contrast of N and how much he really believed in the cause with the 7 sages

>>28969720
I don't really get the complaint about the mons. It had plenty of good mons. Was it just because of the starters, ice cream and garbage?

>>28967636
at least he was menacing.

Lysandre was literally the most conspicuous and least threatening villain of all time.

"WE MUST CLEANSE THE UNWORTHY!"

"heh, that Lysandre, always so full of passion"

>>28966612
Kanto in jhoto post game was super empty. Just run around a region with weak wild pokemon and beat all the gym leaders real quick. And the red fight wasnt even worth it.

>>28958608
Don't forget, you regularly pass out unconscious from the stress of losing a Pokemon battle, who's to say they don't, too?

>>28967309
I like how you respond to a post that gives points to backup their claim and all you have is "you're just bias and blinded!". Not very convincing.

>>28969720
>but a lot of people just want to boil them down to "muh shitmons"

Don't forget "I hate being stopped every 3 seconds" and "/vp/ is just being contrarian for contrarian's sake". The former being very exaggerated. Those 3 are about the only complaints I find about BW here.

>>28970313
But that post was almost all opinionated bullshit, so why should I bother refute with valid points if he'll just make another three-sentence post bitching about "shit trainers, shit level curve, shit content!"

>>28970419
I'm in that hate being stopped camp. And I still stand by it after playing through some of it recently. That and the encounter rate.

BW/BW2 Is how you so a continuum story from one game to another. GSC/HGSS fall flat of that on so many levels.

Sure hgss haaf so good things, following pokemon, pokelathon, old music, some decent sprites, etc

But it still sucked ass. Kanto was even MORE Boring than in gsc which is saying something. They sell doesn't fix the level curve and the distribution. There were gen 2 pokemon available only in post game kanto, why???
It was so hard for me to keep going through kanto it was so boring and team rocket was even worse than in rby and you don't even have a tall boss.
Hgss, apart from some cool extras added, were complete shit.

Bw2 is how you redo a region and villan team. Ghetsis was the closest leader to actually accomplishing what he wanted if you don't count Cyrus. He's just as bad in bw2 as he is in bw. Unova may be a mediocre region but the games that showcase it are fantastic.

>>28970479
>Bw2 is how you redo a region and villan team
>the entire rest of this post

Just screencap this and use in every gen V shilling thread, people. You don't need any further proof that unovabortions have mental problem.

>>28958151
when did gen V did everything right???
>those pokemons
>those characters
>dat music
>those sprites
>those two legends
>that team.

>>28970446
Well, the shit level curve and shitty trainer teams and lack of trainers to fight are actual objective flaws with the games. Then there's also the terrible pokemon distribution, which is also an objective flaw.

The "notice me giovanni-senpai!" plot is fucking terrible too, even if it is opinion based, I can't comprehend why anyone would think it isn't the worst plot in the series.

The only enjoyment I found in kanto was fighting the gym leaders, which felt like I could've saved some time just fighting them in a tournament or something (why I love PWT so much). Exploring Kanto again just felt like a very boring slog to get to the gym leaders. Again though, these are my opinions, and I'd like to know yours.

Tell me what's this "content" that you like so much?

>>28967746
>calls OP salty for no reason
>has to reply like that
Projecting much? Or just underage?

>>28970646
>even if it is opinion based, I can't comprehend why anyone would think it isn't the worst plot in the series.
Because other games like your beloved unovabortions had worse plots. That's why it isn't the worst.

But of course you're going to deflect this and tell me how fucking great N and Ghetsis are as villains, how deep and intricate their characters are, how the writing was top notch for every line of dialogue coming from them and bullshit like that. Wait you won't, you will just say they're great and "better than Kanto more like POOnto LOL", present no argument and call me a fag or whatever childish retort you have in your mind.

>>28960341
you calling me overrated, you fucking faggot? ill fite you irl idgaf

>>28969245
>blinded by the nostalgia
>a game that people still buy until this day
>said the guy blinded by Johto hate
do you realize that only anons on /vp/ think that HGSS is bad?

>>28958151
no, it's the most 'wtf' moment of the series

>>28958179
>>28958211
You are right

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>>28970646
Ok, seeing as you responded nicely, I'll defend my opinion, and refute a few points.

>the shit level curve
First and foremost, I am going to defend this. Johto is the least-linear Region in the entire franchise. Once you get to Ecruteak, you'll start to notice that the level curve drastically slows down, but there is a valid reason here. You're essentially given near-complete freedom to tackle the next three Gyms in any order you wish. So if you would like a challenge, or to tackle things in a different order due to typing disadvantages, you can.

As a result, they had to heavily reduce the amount of EXP you get, so that no matter which order you take things, you'll be able to handle your opponents, while not being overleveled for the later gyms. This was also to make sure that you wouldn't be too high a level for Kanto.

This is also a common type of level curve in RPG's, it's just unusual for Pokémon which is usually streamlined because of the usual linearity. I can completely understand someone disliking the level curve, and I am not even going to say that I wouldn't change it if I could. But I don't think it makes the games bad in any way, just different from usual.

>shitty trainer teams
Debatable, but I wont outright deny this. However;

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>>28970646
>>28971046
>and lack of trainers to fight
While not as convenient as a Vs. Seeker, the Phone Calls start to rack up endless re-matches, and they even get marked on the map for you. They scale in difficulty too, so as long as you occasionally rematch the trainers, you shouldn't have too much trouble with NPC's being underleveled. (This is another reason why NPC's often start out underleveled on your first encounter)

>The "notice me giovanni-senpai!" plot is fucking terrible too
I completely disagree. We actually see Team Rocket go as far as to torture Pokémon. Rumors of stealing Pokémon are one thing, but in Johto we see them actually be Pokémon villains in their desperation to bring their boss back, who they are idolizing. Then the Celebi Event is the cherry on top for me.


>The only enjoyment I found in kanto was fighting the gym leaders
The Gym Leaders are indeed one of the best parts of the game. But don't forget that you don't just "fight" them. Each and every one of them has a fun little out-of-gym interaction, and some of them even require little quests for you, such as Surge only giving you his number when you have caught a Zapdos.

>I love PWT so much
Glad we agree on that, PWT was based.

>Exploring Kanto again just felt like a very boring slog to get to the gym leaders
The Kanto side of the game was very much supposed to be a melancholy splash of nostalgia. Seeing things grow, die. Some things are bigger, some things are gone. It culminates with you reaching Palette and hearing Red's mother say how he hasn't come home in a while. One of the things I love about the games is how atmospheric they feel, from the comfy sense of starting an adventure, to the nostalgic lap around Kanto.

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>>28970646
>>28971046
>>28971057
>Tell me what's this "content" that you like so much?
Well there's plenty. Aside from the fact that the multiple quests in Kanto (Copycat Girl, the Stolen Train parts, ect) are all nice, fun little events, there's also interacting with each and every Gym Leader, and rematching them. Upon re-playing HG/SS recently, I have found that by completing everything there is to do in Kanto and Johto, right up until obtaining the last Gym Leaders number, you should be perfectly ready to face Red. I often hear complaints about how you are forced to grind, and yet despite the shoddy level curve, I have played the games a dozen times and never felt like I needed to grind for the Elite 4, or Red.

So then you throw in some small Legendary quests. Eusine and Suicune, Steven and Lati@s, and when you beat Red, you even get a quest from Oak to find the Embedded Tower to fight Kyogre/Groudon.

So while there is no flashy Delta Episode, or single focus in the Post-Game, there is tons of content and fanservice spread across both Regions to enjoy, all set to an incredibly atmospheric adventure that was the last real time Game Freak let us go an explore things for ourselves. Not to mention the games just look and sound beautiful, and are probably the most polished games to date. Despite any and all of the problems it has, they will always be minor to me.

And just so you're aware, I am not the guy shitting on Unova. I'm 75% sure he is just false flagging. I love HG/SS as much as I do the Unova games. They're all my favorites in this series.

TL;DR - HG/SS has a bunch of smaller adventures and world-building interactions to make an overall enjoyable Post-Game that I can spend hours and hours in.

>>28958179
Either this or beating Blue

>>28970446
Not based on opinions, it's based on facts.

The designers had no idea of how to give a good level curve, the creators went full retard with the Pokémon distribution and Kanto Pokémon obscuring the johto dex, the creators gave us an even more boring Kanto than on the first run.

Then in the remakes they barely tried to fix this stuff, they focused too much on visual gimmicks instead of changing what made Johto terrible and Kanto barebones.

Dude HGSS was objectively a bad port with updated graphics and sounds copying stuff from its twin games on that generation to boot.

>>28971178
>the creators went full retard with the Pokémon distribution and Kanto Pokémon obscuring the johto dex
With context, this is completely understandable. Remember, there was no "Gen 2" at the time. The games were literally called "Pocket Monsters 2", and most of the new Pokémon were just cut Kanto Pokémon.

>>28958151
Best moment in the series was when we moved on from that shit show called X and Y.

>>28971178
>The designers had no idea of how to give a good level curve
>Then in the remakes they barely tried to fix this stuff
bullshit
go open a fucking copy of crystal right now and note down the level of everything in kanto
now go do the same in HGSS

now go hang yourself for being a lying faggot

it wasn't just a "lets buff trainer x and trainer y and call it a day". EVERYTHING, from trainer levels, to gym leaders, to wild pokemon, everything was touched upon. You can argue they still dont meet some sort of imaginary quota you had for them, but saying there were no changes is outright retarded

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>>28960195
>Floette's return
When Floette left it was one the most horrible things in Pkm.

>>28971194
So that excuses the fact that we get a new typing yet we can only use it before the league if we evolve eevee at night?

The fact that only 10 johto lines (Phanpy, Umbreon, Espeon[faces hard competition with hypno], Mareep, Snubull, Wooper, Sudowoodo, Chinchou, Swinub, Foretress and Skarmory) aren't entirely outclassed by a Kanto mon pre league, stantler and Miltank by Taurous, any bug by schyter/Pinsir, or flying mon by pidgeot/fearow.

Crobat is the big exception here being a crossgen evolution accesible pre league.

This games where terrible in showcasing their new 100 mons, the level curve takes the cake by making it harder to test new stuff that comes post Morty.

>>28971344
I forgot to mention that Heracross actually got good in the remakes thanks to brick break. The rest of the Pokémon being outclassed ingame still stands though.

>>28971232
I think you got it flipped anon

>>28958151
I like BW because it wa like a "pokemon reboot" or "pokemon 2" I't was interesting that they used the same midi stile from 1st gen but with modern sounds

>>28960195
I don't think that the mus is the best (on content of course)

they kind of get rid with the midi themes and gave us "music"

>>28971535
>I't was interesting that they used the same midi stile from 1st gen but with modern sounds
What on earth are you talking about?

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>>28970858
Wew, lad. How about you actually try defending your opinion before getting so triggered and instantly assuming I hail BW as the best story ever. The fact that your delusion of me is the only thing you can use to hold up your point shows how little you stand by your opinion.

All of the mainline games have crappy plots. But Johto's in particular had nothing going for it other than Team Rocket hoping they could get their boss back, and when they finally do he gets hilarious beat down by another kid in that exact moment shows up and disappears again. Every other Gen had something going for it, even if they were mediocre.

>Kanto: One kid fights an entire criminal organization. The leader of the organization turned out to be the Giovanni 8th gym leader. The champion ends up being the rival.

>Hoenn: Had two teams fighting for opposite causes, which ultimately result in them waking up two pokemon equivalent to gods that fight each other, causing destruction in their wake.

>Sinnoh: Team Galactic had Cyrus, who's goal was the remake the universe and end conflict by using the legendaries of time and space. Then the whole Giratina/Distortion World thing happened, Cyrus realizes he's wrong and disappears.

>Unova: Had a character that was brought up with pokemon and became able to understand them. He was brought up constantly told and shown how humans abused pokemon and ends up fighting with the protagonist multiple times, and even becomes the champion. Both he and the protagonist awaken the Unova legends and fight each other to prove their points. The plot itself broke a lot of the conventions we were used to.

(Cont.)

>>28970858
>>28971690
>Kalos: Lysandre realizes how messed up the world is and tries to "reset" it by killing off the population using the Kalos legends and the ultimate weapon created by AZ, who ends up still being alive wondering the world looking for his floette. And at the end of your journey you battle him and see him be reunited.

These are all just rough summaries of the mediocre plots but at the very least they have much more (key word is 'more') depth than Johto does, bar Kanto which just has a bit more. Hell, you could even say Johto's plot is a shittier version of Kanto's.

>Johto: Like kanto, has one kid fighting a criminal organization, who's goal is literally to have their boss notice them and come back to them. And what happens when he finally does? He get's his ass beat instantly and disappears again. That's it. That's all that happens in Johto.

Honestly, they're all terrible. But at least they were *something*. Johto pretty much had *nothing*. You might be the type that thinks "less story for pokemon is better" but that still doesn't make it a "good story".

>>28971707
You're really skimming the surface of the plots. Almost everything X and Y does on paper is fine, but it's awful in execution.

Also TR's Johto plot is a very clever thing as it's supposed to be people trying cling to their former glory, when it originally wasn't much that took off

like Game Freaks' Pokemon

And Cyrus doesn't realize he's wrong he's that stubborn he stays in the distortion world and hates himself for getting angry. DP he vows to return

>>28971707
>>28971690
If you can't read your own summaries and think for yourself why Johto is better than Unova and Kalos exactly for being simple and not over the top, there's nothing i could argue back to you. Your taste is simply too different for a civil discussion to occur. And pretty horrible too.

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I feel like we're ignoring the side characters in the game when adressing Unova's stories.


Bianca, Cheren, Hugh and off course, N had decent character arcs. They're dynamic and end the journey differently from how they started it.

BW2 had those meory link flashbacks that characterized the gymleaders and showed stuff such as why chili,cilan,cress retired and other stuff.


Not taking sides just adding to the discussion. Also, god let Hau and Lillie not be like Tierno and Trevor.

>>28971820
Honestly I care more about these new rivals more than I did for them already

>>28971784
Are you seriously trying to say a rehashed plot with the same antagonists that have the same overall goals as the previous gsme is actually a good and interesting choice despite the lack of any kind of investment or anything really from the Player?

>>28971987
>rehashed
continuation =/=
johto isn't about the team rocket being antagonistic. it's about them trying to be antagonistic. gen 2 is as much as a "RBY2" as Black and White had their continuations. You start in a different area as a different character but you see the consequences of the actions from the first game, bit by bit, culminating with your "return" (as a player, not as the player character) to Kanto and finally facing "yourself" in the end of the game

if you seriously believe this is worse than "yugioh villain wants to purge the world #859" then i have nothing left to discuss with you

>>28971707
>who's goal is literally to have their boss notice them
No anon, there is more than this. Team Rocket mastered the evolution using electromagnetic waves. An admin was using some grunts to cut off slowpoke's tails for money, and go on.
They wanted Giovanni to return , but they did something by themselves.
Also, the plot is more than just villains. There is the rival, for example. And Silver is probably the rival with the most character development.

>>28971642
It's like gf added fast drum beats to pokemon songs, electronic shit and stuff, like with sinthetiser

>>28971820
Honestly, I didn't really like the side characters. Especially Bianca's. I can get where it's coming from but it felt like I was beaten over the head with it, especially when her dad came to pick her up and the gym leader had to tell him off.

>>28972126
It's pokemon murica she kind of ressembles some blonde dumb

>>28972038
>if you seriously believe this is worse than "yugioh villain wants to purge the world #859" then i have nothing left to discuss with you
As opposed to "generic Saturday Morning Kids Show villains try another absurd plan and get stopped by the hero and they run away again#963780"? Yeah it's much better. Especially when there's actually some substance.

>>28972159
>As opposed to "generic Saturday Morning Kids Show villains try another absurd plan and get stopped by the hero and they run away again#963780"? Yeah it's much better.
There's no arguing with your bad taste. Enjoy being wrong.

>Especially when there's actually some substance.
see
>>28972111
and ignore it completely too like the little faggot you are.

>>28971046
>>28971057
>>28971108
I personally prefer to have a better level curve, even at the cost of losing the freedom to choose where you want to go.

The gym leader teams are the ones that are my biggest gripe. You'd expect them to have more Johto mons.

The battle aspect of phone calls were indeed great, but there was just waaay too many pointless conversations that got annoying real fast.

Team Rocket showing that they're more "evil" doesn't do much for me. Just seems too one dimensional and as unmemorable as every other evil team shenanigans. The celebi event was nice but I don't count it as the main story, and wasn't very significant to the overall plot.

I do like out of battle interactions, but I guess I didn't find them that memorable. Except for Blue. I guess I didn't enjoy Kanto that much because I wasn't feeling very nostalgic about it in the first place.

I understand your opinion a lot better now. Thank you for the well thought out reply, anon.

Also, I doubt that guy is falseflagging, just seems like the usual Unova hater that's using anything as an excuse to lash on the games.

>>28972159
You already got BTFO, just stop trying

>>28972180
>and ignore it completely too like the little faggot you are.
You do realise that entire post is the outline of a literal generic villain plot right? How is this any different than say, when Baron Mordo wad trying to summon Dormammu in the spiderman cartoon? They gathered up materials and such that they needed and when everything was ready he opened the way for his master to follow. Until he was thwarted by spiderman.

I think there was an episode where he tried again with a portal device but I don't want to ramble.

The entire plot in johto is incredibly thin and lacking in any kind of depth by even pokemon standards it's hilarious that anyone could try and defend it. It's even completely unfitting for the world they're in.

>>28972485
Will you ever present an argument or answer any of the arguments people gave you back or all you can do is repeat "johto sucks because johto sucks look at this completely unrelated comparison, johto still sucks"?

>>28972213
Samefagging isn't going to make johto look any less generic and boring anon. It also won't change throughout fact that it rehashed previous game heavily.

>>28972516
It was literally a sequel you dingaling

That's like calling B2W2 a rehash.

And funilly enough, B2W2 and HGSS are the best games in the series, so building upon the foundations seems like it has worked pretty well so far.

>>28971774
Like I said, all of them were mediocre. Hell, I don't find Team Rocket's "I'm bad for the sake of being bad" shtick appealing at all.

My bad, it's been years since I last played Platinum. Still I find that more interesting.

>>28971784
So you're going to shrug this off as "your taste sucks" and not explain your opinion at all. Alright then, moving on.

>>28972111
Team Rocket is very one dimensional. They do bad, evil things for one cause. Every other team does this exact thing. The severity of their acts don't give the plot any more depth.

As for the Rival, I won't deny his development. He is definitely one of the better rivals. Though just like the plot of pokemon games, pretty much all of them aren't very well written. He's the one of the better ones from the bunch but it's not saying much.

>>28972516
>le ebin samefag maymay xD

Your opinion isn't objective. Deal with it homo

>>28972511
Anon. You're trying to say that later plots are more generic Johto's. I literally just thought of an episode of a show that follows an extremely close plot to the point where several events could be swapped and nothing would have changed between the two. If that's not generic then i don't know what is
How about you actually try and come up for an argument as to how it isn't instead of just simply listing of the plot elements that are?

>>28972555
>That's like calling B2W2 a rehash.
The difference being that black and white 2 actually made some significant differences that the johto games didn't. The only things are the same is the fact that there's a gym challenge and that it's set in the same region. Hell you have the team separated into two different factions now.
You can't compare BW2 and HGSS in that regard.

>>28966490
>GO RHYHORN

so threathening

>>28972111
>Silver is probably the rival with the most character development.
Top kek, Blue, N, Cheren, Wally, and Barry shit all over Silver. Silver's entire character is edgelord who gets stomped time and time again until he just gives up.

>>28974139
>Cheren
>good

Top kek

>>28974139
Swap Bianca and Cheren

How's this >>28974371 ?

>unovatrash
get that weak shit outta here

>>28974139
>arrogant kid that is not arrogant anymore
>can N be considered a rival?
>Cheren
>asthma kid that decided to live on a cave
or
>asthma kid that somehow turned into a competitive player even if he never showed any interest on this
>hyperactive kid that... well
shit bait

I enjoyed BW and BW2 but I didn't really care for the characters and story much, especially in BW2. I can appreciate the effort put into them but in terms of character/story I actually prefer Platinum or even ORAS.

>>28969809
I don't know, I think it's just genwunners and people not giving them a chance. Even then I have a genwunner buddy who loves Vanilluxe.

>>28974743
Vanilluxe is actually a great Pokémon, it's the earliest ice type we can get since Cloyster evolving with a water stone in RBY and FRLG.