Is anyone else still on the Gen 6.5 boat? I honestly don't

>>28864432
no there's more pokemon than XY.

New Region, New Pokémon. Every time we get both of those, it's a new generation.

>>28864432
Have a free (You) then kill yourself.

>>28864432
>- It seems all but certain that it's not going to add too many Pokemon
Already confirmed for more than XY anon.

>>28864432
HGSS wrapped up the FRLG story. Does that make HGSS a Gen 3.5 game?

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>>28864432

>>28864432
>strong focus on Zygarde

Other than gathering the cells, it's safe to assume that Zygarde will be related to postgame content. Unless you have something that proves otherwise.

Also, a new generation is determined by new Starters, new Region and new box Legendaries. This is clearly 7th gen.

>>28864432
(You)

>>28864432
GS wrapped up GRBY's story so I guess there's no Gen 2.

>>28864432
>what makes this Gen 7
The fact that it has new starters, a new region and new legendary maskots.

Don't be a retard OP

>>28864542
>GRBY

>>28864432
>- Kanto (rather than Johto) is still the region it "looks back at" (Alolan forms, Oak, etc), much like in XY (Mega Kanto starters, Mewtwo, etc)
You mean like every single gen?

>>28864432
Listen faggot, when Pokémun and Pokémoon FIRST were revealed, Gen 6.5 seemed very likely. And I still fight the people who said G7 was obvious from the start, because 6.5 was a real possibility.

Now though? You'd have to be a fool. Foolier than a fool, to believe that.

>>28864552
Green, Red, Blue, and Yellow. Or does nobody consider green a real game?

>>28864591
You were born after 1999. Stop posting here.

>>28864607
Sorry I was born 1991 too bad, I just like to mention Green seeing as we have Leaf Green and not Water Blue.

>>28864432
SM are "Gen 6.5" in the same way that GS are "Gen 1.5". They are sequels, but still a NEW gen.

>>28864630
He just means that GRBY is like saying SGC or SRE. The correct order is RGBY.

If it looked the same as gen 6 and was directly battle/trade compatible with gen 6 I'd agree. But with the compatibility cut off and all the engine upgrades they've made, calling it the same gen makes no sense.

>>28864642
He should just say that then. I'll keep using GRBY just to rustle his jimmies.

>>28864432
Brand new pokemon, new generation
What is so hard to understand

>>28864682
If Platinum had 1 new Pokemon in it would you call it a new gen?

-New starters
-New region
-New box legendaries

Zygarde is only important because the mid-gen Z episode never happened, and there was no way they were going to trash the graphics/battle engine after spending so much time and money developing it.

Gen 6 fags are in the deniel stage of the greving process. Their gen is dead and they want closure and luckily they might just get it, but with a new gen.

>>28864581

It wasn't likely at all. Like not even close. It was the dumbest made up assumption in Pokemon history.

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>>28864432
>Battles look exactly the same
(You) must also think that RGBY and GSC are both the same gen too since their battles look basically the same.

>>28864727
You were born after 1999. Stop posting here.

>>28864432
New MC, new starters, new box legends, new region...

And the engine is upgraded and the art style changed. Plus the introduction of new mechanics, a new ET, etc.
BW2 did not have new box legends, new Pokemon, or a new Evil Team so you could say thats 5.5 but Sun/Moon are not related to XY besides the Zygarde thing.

>>28864697
It doesn't matter because platinum didn't have any new Pokemon in it.
Show me a situation where that actually happens and it might matter.

>>28864697

Yeah because a whole new dex is the same as 1 right? Fuck off.

>>28864727
>their battles look basically the same.

They don't though.

>>28864737
Nice counter-argument

>>28864737
Nah not really, thanks for guessing tho.

>>28864749
>>28864753
You didn't actually answer my question.

No no no no no. Gen 6.5 was ORAS. Sun and Moon are full on gen 7.

>>28864749
Gale of Darkness (inb4 meme posting) introduced Bonsly and Munchlax.

50+ new pokemon = new gen.

There is nothing to argue here. There is a whole new generation of pokemon. Features, gameplay, graphics do not matter. The only thing that determines generation is new pokemon.

>>28864767
I have no reason to respond to your bait. Platinum added two formes of already existing pokemon in already existing region.
Sun/Moon is entirely new pokemon in a new region

>>28864697

Not unless it had new starters and a new region.

>>28864777
Could you actually use them? Because PMD: BRT included Munchlax and Lucario.
>>28864767
Because it's an irrelevant question. It doesn't actually happen so we don't know how it would've been handled. As it stands something like that has never happened before so why would we ever assume a new generation is instead gen X.5? It's just retarded reaching by Gen 6 fags trying to redeem their shitty generation.

>>28864757
Point is, the battles don't determine what gen it is.

>>28864800
>I have no reason to respond to your bait.

Because you know new pokemon = new gen alone is wrong and you don't want to look stupid? ;)

>>28864819
>Because it's an irrelevant question.

No it isn't. He said new Pokemon = new gen. So I'm asking if he would consider a certain game with a new pokemon to be a new gen. It's quite simple really.

>>28864841
Read my post again. And again. If you fail to understand repeat until you do.

>>28864819
Actually no, they played a part in the story but you could never actually use one.

>>28864854
Answer my question. And again. If you fail to understand repeat until you do.

>>28864841
Your question doesn't make sense though.

You asked if he would consider Platinum a new generation if it had one new Pokemon, but it had no new Pokemon. It had two new formes for Rotom, Shaymin, and Giratina.

The rest of the new shit was features.

Every single new generation has added

1) brand new pokemon

2) brand new region

3) brand new professor

4) brand new gym leaders

5) and for all but Johto (since it used some of Kanto's), a brand new Elite Four and Champion

>>28864841
They have starters that have never been in any game before. New box legendaries that have never been in any game before. And, to top it all off, a brand new region. This is obviously Generation 7.

>>28864922
Oops, I made a typo on the number of formes because I added Rotom as an afterthought.

>>28864883
I am answering: It would not, because the "new generation" is a contractual term for a series of games where a bunch of new pokemon(not just one), new region, and new starters are introduced

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Arceus gift code. Use before Nov 30th.
You're welcome to who ever gets it first.

I had a spare voucher left.

>>28864432
>no more gyms
>doesnt seem that big
kys

>>28864922
>You asked if he would consider Platinum a new generation if it had one new Pokemon
>if it had
>if

learn what "if" means. Now answer the question.

>>28864928
You still didn't answer the question.

>>28864945
Thank you for answering the question.

>>28864883
See>>28864802
Or any of the other countless posts that answered your ridiculous question that didn't warrant an answer in the first place. If platinum had had 1 (ONE) new Pokemon, but no new region, starters, or mascots, then no it would not have been a new generation. Not that it matters, because platinum didn't have any new Pokemon. It was a sequel game, which Gamefreak does not do anymore. A hypothetical isn't a good argument, especially when it has little probability of occurring in the future on top of never having occurred in the past. Anon who said "who cares" did in fact answer your question. You just didn't like their answer

>>28864955

So you're just socially inept. Okay.

>>28864955
Sorry, I'm new to the thread, I wasn't intending to answer a question I wasn't asked.

>>28864432
>- Battles look exactly the same
Nope. Pay closer attention.
>- Strong focus on Zygarde
This means nothing. There's no implied strong focus either. They just featured it alongside other things.
>- Kanto (rather than Johto) is still the region it "looks back at" (Alolan forms, Oak, etc), much like in XY (Mega Kanto starters, Mewtwo, etc)
Its a big milestone for the franchise; of course they would.
>- It seems all but certain that it's not going to add too many Pokemon
Already more Pokemon confirmed than XY.
>- Ash-Greninja still hasn't been revealed and seems to be a big thing
This literally means nothing.

>>28864955
If it were the case then people wouldn't be saying that a new dex of a nice amount of Pokemon would mean new gen.
"If," questions are, most of the time, pointless.
Even 'if' in the case of 1-2 new Pokemon, and different story, if everything else is the same it would be more of different version or sequel, not next gen.

The way I see it, if there are new starters, then it's definitely a new generation.

The only games I would consider being halfway gen are Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. They're not 100% compatible with X and Y because they introduce new and exclusive mega evolutions, but they aren't actually new gens either. Other than these, I would say all the other games are definitely part of their own respective gens.

>>28865034
This
XY = 6
ORAS = 6.5
SM = 7

>>28864955
There were no new Pokémon in platinum

>>28864962
>Not that it matters,

But he said
>Brand new pokemon, new generation
>What is so hard to understand

So obviously it's harder to understand than he thinks.

>>28865028
>"If," questions are, most of the time, pointless.
No they're not. A mid-gen game with 1 new Pokemon could very well happen in the future.

>>28864971
You're the socially inept one if you can't even answer a simple question you're asked.

>>28864432
>new move animations
>new Pokémon
>new box art legends
>new mechanics
>new overworld graphics
It's a new gen dude

>Battles look exactly the same
And? If every set of games from now on used the same battles they would still be Gen 6?

>>28864487
Not saying OP right or anything but I hate people who post like this. Truly one of the worst on this board.

>>28864630
>>28864677

Yeah you definitely weren't born in 1991. Shut the fuck up.

>>28865034
>>28865092
That's like saying Plat, HGSS and BW2 are all .5 gens.

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Is anyone else still on the Gen 1.5 boat?

I honestly don't see what makes this Gen 2 considering:
- Battles look exactly the same
- Strong focus on Gyarados
- Kanto (rather than Johto) is still the region it "looks back at" (Old pokemon, Oak, etc)
- It seems all but certain that it's not going to add too many Pokemon
- The Rainbow bird has finally been revealed and seems to be a big thing

I honestly think GS is just going to wrap up the RBY story, and bring the total of Gen 1 mons to around 250.

>>28865152
Now please answer me this question: if you really say that only one pokemon can make a new generation, then tell me, if literally everything is identical with the "previous gen" no changes, but the only real new thing is that pokemon, is that a new gen ?

>>28865409
Fucking rekt

>>28865396
Well you're completely wrong, sorry but GRBY will one day be the correct way to call Gen 1.

>>28865409
>- Battles look exactly the same

They don't though.

>>28864727
But, anon... GSC were gen 1.5.....

>>28865416
What is this crazy strawman shit? YOU said "one new Pokemon." I've seen stupid on /vp/, but you are a whole new level of inept at debate

>>28865435
They do aside new sprites. You can even port gen 2 sprites to gen 1. Same Effort system, same IVs, same everything.

>>28864432
Even the fucking trailer last spring said it's literally a new gen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmzDL1l3Fag
Ps. the last 3 letters of the link describe (you)

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>>28865152
You still seem to think people have been only talking about new dex????

>>28865450
They don't. They're aesthetically different and moves have different animations

>>28865450
>They do aside new sprites.

so they don't look the same. Gotcha.

>>28865447
I see how it is.

>>28865435
If you're comparing the shift to Gen VI to VII, then GSC might as well be Gen I. What was different, some new sprites?

>>28865400
did they introduce new starters or megas to them? That's what I thought.

>>28865435
The difference between Gen 1-2 is exactly the same magnitude of change between 6-7

The fact that there are people arguing that SM are still gen 6 blows my mind.

>>28865485
You really can't argue with retards.

S/M has trainers behind the pokemon

>>28865485
I'd say doing away with battle circles, adding a new battle style, and reanimating a lot of attacks is a slightly higher magnitude than new sprites and some new attack animations (which were just more sprites)

>>28865461
>>28865465

By that logic, Gen 7 battles look different from Gen 6 as well. New dynamic battle backgrounds, trainers showing in battle giving commands, new lighting engine that has an impact in colors and proper shadows.

>>28865518
And this >>28865501

>>28865532
Shit, and the vastly improved battle backgrounds

>>28865548
In fact Gen 7 has more significant improvements to the battle visuals than a vast majority of Pokemon games, save gen 6 itself

>>28865400
>B2W2 arent 5.5

They kind of are.

>>28865528
>Gen 7 battles look different from Gen 6 as well.
This,.

if gold is gen 1.2 then that would make Hoenn gen 2, u are all so fucking retarded cuz then gen 6 wouldn't even been gen 6 to have a 6.5 absolute retards

>>28865400
Plat is literally D/P???? BW2 is literally "we tried to do a sequel guys!" not a new gen

>>28864432
Man you're retarded, but not because I think you believe this bullshit.

It's because you can't even think for better reasons than this.
You are literally too retarded to make a proper bait thread.

Sage

>>28864464
This.

If it's got brand new pokemon in a brand new region, that's what defines a gen

>>28865570
Except all the other games had new sprites
It doesn't look like they've made any model changes at all
We're looking at the same Pokemon

>retards ITT
GSC was Gen 1.5 the order goes

>RGBY
Gen 1
>GSC
Gen 1.5
>RBY and FRLG
Gen 2
>DP
Gen 3
>Pt and HGSS
Gen 3.5
>BW/BW2
Gen 4
>XY
Gen 5
>ORAS
Gen 5.3
>SM
Gen 5.6

>>28865776
We've known this would happen. It means nothing. If you want an indication, I have one. OR/AS has stills of the models it uses for the dex. These stills are not the same in SM, but it is still using stills.

>>28865776
You mean the entire reason why we switched to models in the first place?

>>28864432
>announcement trailer goes through each gen and when it was released
>HURR ANYONE THINK WE'RE STILL IN GEN 6???

>>28865821
maybe cuz they just moved to 3D?

>>28865776
GF is going to use these models forever, anon.

>>28865528
Yes, they do. What's your point?

>>28864432
even though you listed a bunch of shit m8, it's still gen 7, cuz it's the 7th gen. All the shit you listed it pointless. Gen 8 could use the same graphics and battles as Gen 1 and it would still be gen 8, not gen 1.8 or whatever you fucks would make up.

Basically, GF and also nobody gives a fuck about what retarded cherry picked comments you have about the game. Just keep it to yourself faggot.

gen 6=gen6
gen 7=gen7
stay over it or stay mad faggot I hope you die

>>28865904
That's what I was thinking. The images used in OR/AS are very bland, they're just standing there. The images for SM are doing poses and stuff. X/Y doesn't have them at all, it just plays the model's idle animation. They have improved.

>>28864642
This is autism

>>28864432
>I honestly don't see what makes this Gen 7 considering:

Yeah you don't see it because you're mentally handicapped

>>28864581
>Pokemun
>Pokemoon

Opinion invalidated.

So johto is gen 1.5?
and this >>28864464

Why are gen 6.5 fags pure cancer?

>>28865380
Why? It's a no effort post for a no effort thread

>>28864432
>Battles exactly the same
No battle circle, trainers behind the Pokemon, z-moves and vastly improved battle UI
>Strong Focus on Zygarde
It looks at most to be a side quest
>Kanto Dick Sucking
Just like Gen 2
>not add many Pokemon
How the fuck do you know this? You an expert at counting Pokémon based on nothing?
>Ash-Greninja
Not that big of a thing, form was probably a Z-move that increased it's stats like Eevee's

>>28864581
>tfw I predicted gen 7 back in January

What you consider obvious is not the same as what others consider obvious.

I considered it blindingly obviously the second Sun/Moon's logos were revealed, and I have been proven right at every single opportunity.

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>>28864432
You can't be this fucking retarded.
By your logic, gen 2 would be gen 1.5
Use common sense once and a while asshole.

>>28866530
Yep I'm surprised there are a couple. Most either kill themselves or accepted it

>>28864432
OP stop being stupid and think for a fucking second before making a fucking thread you massive dumbfuck

At this point, I don't want to call it gens. I'll just call it regions. This much autism over a number is becoming painful.

>>28864432
Fuck it, stick the hook in my mouth real quick.

SM has already revealed around 50 pokemon either in actual pokemon or evolution lines. and despite what people think, XY only revealed half its dex pre-release, the rest were due to leaks.
Zygarde can still be a focus while being gen 7, it'll just be continuing the story of the previous gen like gen 2 did for gen 1.
The battles do not look the same, while the models are the same, anyone with a brain predicted they'd reuse the models as soon as they found out how high quality the models were, and beyond the models we have clearly different camera angles as well as trainers in the background.

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WHY DOES IT MATTER
IT'S
JUST
A
FUCKING
NUMBER

>>28864432
When they announced it they flashed all the initial pairs of each generation before the reveal. That should be proof enough before all the new region and pokemon.

>>28864432
Battles looked exactly the fucking same from crystal to FR/LG. So did the overworld. Nintendo can't reinvent the wheel just for the sake of pokemon games, we have hit pretty much the peak of handheld gaming and not much is going to change for a while.

Go jump off a building and die you stupid autistic faggot.

Stop shitting up the board with shitposting and do something constructive with your worthless life you stupid waste of oxygen.

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>>28865396
>Yeah you definitely weren't born in 1991. Shut the fuck up.
Are you projecting, Anon? there's no reason to get so invested and pissed off about something so minor.

You need to work on maturing a bit more. Maybe someday you'll learn.

>>28873022
>Battles looked exactly the fucking same from crystal to FR/LG. So did the overworld.

Go see an optometrist.

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>>28864581
It was only very likely for people who are severely mentally deficient and are incapable of reading the writing on the walls.

The way they presented things, and even the name of the games and the logos, should have been proof enough. However people that were too deep in 'patterns' couldn't handle it because it went beyond what they understood.

They retreated to the safety of delusion.

By this logic you're saying Gen 2 should have been called 'Gen 1.5'...

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>>28864432
SM is not gen 6 for this very reason: you cannot trade directly with XY/ORAS. It's a new gen because of this. It was confirmed that sending Pokemon from XY/ORAS to SM would be a one way trip, correct? If they were the same gen then there would be no trading incompatibles.
>B-but muh gen 1 and 2
Those are the only exceptions. You couldn't trade GSC Pokemon with RSE Pokemon. However, you could trade RSE Pokemon with ones from FRLG. Two way trading was not possible between RSE/FRLG and DPPt/HGSS, two way trading was not possible between DPPt/HGSS and BW/2, etc.

>>28873157
I'm not saying it's gen 6.5 (or gen 7. It's kind of retard now to call the core games gens now instead of by their region imo), but that's retarded. So what if the way Gamefreak presented the games initially? What if the games were presented as is, but without new Pokemon? And also, the logos are tied to XY with Zygarde's chest having all 4 of the colors. But it really doesn't matter all that much when grouping the core games. Screw gens. They are an outdated fanmade formate of catorgizing the games.