>awful starters >professor is a dick >rival has ADHD

>>28831412
hoenn baby pls go

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>>28831412
Maybe you just have bad taste and don't realize it.

>Awful starters
>Legendaries have a bad design
>Ungerground is shit
That's just your shitty opinion you retard.

>>28831412
I agree with you on all fronts OP. Honestly its solely because all underage who grew up with 4th gen can post on 4chan now so the sinnohfetuses control the status quo. You can't say anything bad about their heavily flawed region without getting tremendous blowback.

Why a couple months ago an autist got triggered over someone questioning why the protags in Platinum wear so much winter clothing even though they go through lots of not-cold areas. It lasted for several threads.

>>28831412
>Bad designs
So, you have no understanding of the difference between what good/bad means as opposed to "I like this". Great, get over yourself.

Opinion

Not at all

How is this a argument
I guess

Smart point

Got nothing

Someone's mad because they couldn'tget the fossil they wanted

Also let's remember that in D/P, 90% of those cross gen evos everyone holds up as 4th-gen-done-right were not available til post E4.

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>>28831412
>Lucario
>saving grace

>>28831412
The underground was awesome, faggot.

>It's another Dppt hatemonger thread

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*hits u*

Come at me bro

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>>28831412
>>Unironically likes Lucario, but dislikes all three starters
>>Thinks the games that introduced the GTS, better contests, better wireless trading that didnt require a peripheral device you could lose or might not have gotten if you bought used, and reintroduced day/night cycle are shit

Bait if i ever saw it

>>28831468
I never see hate threads for Gen 5. I wonder what they're like.

No, the low-effort ice cream and garbage normie bait doesn't count.

Why don't people like Arceus's design?

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Best professor
Best Champion
Physical/Special split is the best thing that's happened to Pokémon
Arceus is not a bad design, Dialga and Palkia might be but I like them so whatever
Starters are among the best
Region is difficult and fun, last nonlinear region
Underground is the fucking best fucking fight me
I don't know what gimmicks you're referring to but they probably did suck if I can't remember them

How is "Professor is a dick" even a downside, Rowan is so fucking based

Actual flaws you could have posted without looking like a fucking idiot
>Protag designs are mediocre
>HM usage is really prominent even useless ones like Defog
>Not enough original Pokémon, most are either babies or cross-gen evolutions
>le no fire types meme
>DP are slow as fuck, remedied in Platinum
>Too many legendaries cheapens the meaning of legendary
>Box legendaries look super different from what we were used to, weird anatomy and colors all over the place

You get points for liking my giga nigga Garchomp though

Sincerely a Sinnohfetus

>>28831412
>awful starters
The basic stages were kind of meh but the final stages were fantastic. Fuck you.
>professor is a dick
A stern professor was a good change.
>legandaries have cool concepts, but bad designs (esp. Arceus, like what the fuck)
No, regarding shit like the lake trio, creation trio and Arceus they're concepts sucked as well, way too high power level. Regigigas is my nigger though.
>region is dumb
Sinnoh best region imo.
>underground is bullshit
Underground was fine. Would have been way better if it was online, but you have to remember this is the first generation with any sort of WiFi support at all. At least there's an excuse unlike the lack of WiFi contests in ORAS.
>Lucario
>saving grace
You're a moron.

>>28831412
This
>>28831466

Stones and fossils for days

>>28831412
Bring back gems so I can use magician.

>>28831412
>only saving grace
>Lucario

Ok it is bait after all

>>28831487
Because the only people who seem to hate it blow through the games.

This is also a generic bait thread.

A good critisim is locking out the new Pokemon or how many shitty dex gimmicks there are

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>>28831412
I agree OP. You forgot the anime is shit even though everyone thinks it's the best which is beyond my comprehension. All the gen 4 cross-gen evos are trash in my opinion.

Don't forget the physical/special split was a mistake. The only saving grace from gen 4 is Croagunk.

>>28831494
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Rowan was based as fuck and that the region was fun because it was so damn messy. It felt like the opposite of Kalos, where everything is almost laid out for you. Coming from someone who's played Pokemon since Yellow.

>>28831466
>RNG bullshit with the worst version of secret bases
Yeah no.
And it made getting fossils fucking tedious as shit. Then there was the fact that it was segmented so if you go down in another part of the region like the pokemon league you won't be in the same part as your friend who was in hearthome.

>>28831763
Oh and Spiritomb.

>>28831412
>Lucario, Garchomp, Leafeon, and Glaceon
c'mon man you gotta work harder than that actually you don't since you're on /vp/

>>28831598
(You)

>>28831440
>Why a couple months ago an autist got triggered over someone questioning why the protags in Platinum wear so much winter clothing even though they go through lots of not-cold areas.
Honestly though, I always wondered this. One Platinum was coming out I remember reading that the redesigns were due to the Sinnoh climate being changed to be more wintry, but when I played the game it was the exact same as in Diamond and Pearl.

>>28831494
I may not agree with you on all your points, but you're right about the Physical/Special split.
That alone makes Gen 4 one of the better generations in my book.

>>28831847
But anon, there's patches of SNOW now.

>>28831847
>but when I played the game it was the exact same as in Diamond and Pearl.
That's objectively wrong. The changes aren't big but they're definitely there.

>>28831877
There's only some slight visual changes, nothing that really indicates a particularly cold climate.
Not to mention the island is completely unchanged and looks pretty tropical.

>>28831890
What else is suposed to represent that though?

>>28831412
>physical/special
Wasn't this introduced in Gen 3?

>>28831939
No

>>28831939
Nah it was in gen 4.
But in all honesty it wasn't that big of a change.

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>>28831494
>Best Champion

I get that she makes your dick hard but you are objectively wrong. No amount of fan art will help.

>>28831487
>no that doesn't count

You're basically admitting the biggest flaw: the designs of the pokemon. Gen 5 had the worst designs ever but the games itself were very good.

>>28831981
I think he meant best as in 'most competent final boss'

Blue AKA Green AKA Gary AKA Captain Horn Drill a shit

>>28831998
>I think he meant best as in 'most competent final boss'
You say that but Iris had a better team especially since she actually used some items.

>>28831986
>Gen 5 had the worst designs ever
[citation needed]

>>28831939
Contact was iirc

fucking static

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>>28832013
Here's your citation

>>28831412
>Awful starters
Stopped reading there

>>28831998
>Blue AKA Green AKA Gary AKA Captain Horn Drill a shit
How many times did you lose to him, Ashy boy?

>>28831986
>Gen 5 had the worst designs ever
I don't know, they haven't matched up to gen 4's level of terrible like the Gods and crossgens like Yanmega, Electivire, Ambipom and Magmortar the designs were so cluttered.
A lot of them didn't even look like Pokemon and I'm not kidding about that, Gen 4 had some odd design choices especially around the eyes.

I was 11 when I played Diamond on release, but I hated it even then. I've come around on them and recognized a lot of good qualities, but Sinnoh is still weak.

PROS
>Region was huge
>Infernape was one of the best starters ever
>every single cross gen evolution has a redeeming factor, and it made a lot of shitmons more relevant
>when the music is good, it's great
>lots of great lore, especially when it ends up tied to Johto
>Platinum had one of the best regional dexes
>PalPark
>GTS and WiFi
>Cynthia had a fairly challenging team
>Platinum brought the Battle Frontier back
>EV training items and Masuda Method
>large post game area
>Gym Leader rematches in Platinum
>introduced a lot of new environments, like snow and swamps
>many of the new Pokemon were great
>Distortion World
>good gym puzzles
>partner segments where you tag battle together

CONS
>Slow as fuck, even in Platinum (it's a fucking meme that Platinum fixed it)
>insanely slow surfing in all 5 games
>when the music was bad, it was terrible
>honey trees were horribly executed
>tons of backtracking
>Great Marsh was trash
>ugly pseudo 3D graphics
>terrible sprite animations until HGSS, went from real looking motions in Emerald to shaking blurry sprites in DPPt
>Battle Frontier was a shadow of its former self
>so many legendary Pokemon it felt cheap
>a lot of Legendaries were badly designed
>Mt Coronet was a pain in the ass to navigate 5 times
>navigating the swamps was slow due to getting stuck every three steps, adding to a painfully slow walking speed
>Underground was tons of wasted potential
>3 fire types but having Flint be a Fire specialist
>loss of the Game Corner in Platinum with no replacement
>Team Galactic has even stupider goals than Magma and Aqua
>Bad character designs throughout
>unmemorable Gym Leaders aside from jailbait Candice and footfag Maylene
>ruined Contests forever
>Poketch was mostly all gimmicks, only had 4 useful apps
>only able to transfer 6 Pokemon from gen 3 per cart per day

>>28832077
I would give yanmega a pass. I thought his design was overall hip and down with the kids.

>>28832083
The only other pro is Physical Special split, but others already said it

>Rival has ADHD

Nigga Barry is literally the second best rival behind Blue

>>28831857
I don't understand your logic. It's not like the physical/special split is exclusive to gen 4. That's like saying Gen 2 was the best because it introduced breeding, dark and steel types, along with held items. Just like saying Gen 3 is the best because it introduced abilities, natures, and double battles. How is the physical/special split more significant than held items, abilities, dark and steel types?

>>28831412
>this
>exactly this

>there's still people that don't love every Pokemon design, realizing they are all different, have their own merits, and that their existence doesn't cancel out the ones you like
quality I expect from this website.

>>28831412
>>legandaries have cool concepts, but bad designs (esp. Arceus, like what the fuck)
The concepts are the worst thing about them. They made them way too overpowered.

>>28832186
>there are people on /vp/ right now who hate /vp/ and are being held against their will

>>28832083
I wouldn't call these pros
>>lots of great lore, especially when it ends up tied to Johto
Most of the lore didn't relate to anything within the actual game at all or give us anything to accentuate the story. The large majority of it was random.
In all honesty Johto gave us more lore about Sinnoh than Sinnoh did itself
>>Platinum brought the Battle Frontier back
Like you said before it was a shadow of it's former self and removed several features from the Emerald one and replaced them with what was essentially tower clones with throwaway gimmicks.
It's worth noting that most of the Gen 4 frontier's gimmicks were compacted into the PWT.
And on a personal note I missed having a protogé.
>>introduced a lot of new environments, like snow and swamps
That slowed down the player well below regular walking speed. It's not so much a problem in the marshes because they're optional but you have to go through the snow and deal with it.
>>Distortion World
Didn't live up to its potential at all in the end all it did was add a short bit of padding to an already tedious game. If they made the effort to incorporate it into the story as a lingering element then it would have been worth bringing up as a pro.

And this
>>partner segments where you tag battle together
Was technically an Emerald thing.

>>28831479
Deepest lore

>>28832331
It wasn't technically an emerald thing, because in Emerald you only do it for what, two battles with Steven? Diamond and Pearl had full areas you could explore this way, like iron Island, the extension of Victory Road.
As for the BF, it was a pro because GF wasn't just sticking to the Tower or Maison, even if it sucked they tried, and that's a pro.

>>28831412
>Lucario, Glaceon
>saving grace

Gas the furfags.

>>28831598
The split was the worst thing that happened to pokemon? Just fucking kill yourself before trying to explain that my guy

>>28832453
>It wasn't technically an emerald thing, because in Emerald you only do it for what, two battles with Steven?
Meaning it was still a feature introduced in Emerald, not to mention it was a mode in the tower.
The amount of times you do it doesn't matter, if it was a feature that was introduced in the previous game then it's something credited to that generation.
Using your logic you could say that the split was a gen 5 and 6 feature because they introduced more moves that utilized it as well as refining moves and such.
Understand?

> it was a pro because GF wasn't just sticking to the Tower or Maison
The problem being that two of them were just tower derivatives rather than something unique. Then there was that one that was just 1 on 1s and even lacked that throwaway gimmick that the other two had.
Then there was rentals.

Not to mention it was incredibly easy and short even compared to the iterations of the Tower including the Maison. Objectively it was pretty flawed in both the content and difficulty area.

Worst games by far, I almost quit Pokemon after DP. Thankfully HGSS came along.

>>28831939
Nope. Gen 4, unfortunately.

>>28831412

>porygon-Z isn't a saving grace

>lucario is

Opinion discarded.

>>28832046
They were and still are awful. Stop being butthurt. Gen 4 is the only one I still won't replay just because of the starters. Piplup is cute, sure, but they're all ugly in the final stages and there are better mons to use competitively.

Infernape is inferior to Blazekin. That's just it. Bad stats. Suppose it's OK for a Contrary setup though.
Torterra is inferior to Mega Slowbro, regular Slowbro, or Venusaur. Good defensive HA, but awful defensive typing.
Empoleon is inferior to Mega Slowbro, Slowbro, Vaporeon, and pretty much any other bulky water type. The only thing going for it is the Steel STAB and the good defensive typing.

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>>28831412
>Lucario
>Garchomp
>Leafeon
>Glaceon

>>28834244
>There are better mons to use competitively
There's only five starters in OU and Ubers. UU is fine. Empoleon can Defog, phaze, seat up SR, and deal decent damage with Flash Cannon and Scald. Empoleon has been a UU staple for a while.

>>28834319
>the only Pokemon are starters
Nice argument retard.

>>28834244
That's a fucking retarded reason not to use the starters. May as well not replay Johto, they're all worse. Or Unova, because they're pretty much all shit since there's no way you're getting a Contrary Serperior without hacking.

>>28831412
>great starters
>>professor is a dick
>rival is pumped up for battle
>legandaries have cool concepts
>region is comfy
>underground is fun
>introduced Phys/Spec split

>>28832013
Nope. Tired of this circlejerk. Gen I had Grimer, Muk, Voltorb, Electrode, Jynx, and Ditto. Gen II had Forretress, Pineco, fucking Unown, Baby Jynx, and Qwilfish. Gen III had Wailmer, Plusle/Minun, Glalie, tropius, castform, and feebas. Gen IV has the starters, Yanmega, Ambipom, Electivire, the fire clown motherfucker, Gliscor, the legandaries, Darkrai, and bidoof. And gen VI has Aromatisse. Gen V does have some bad ones too, like Garbodor, Basculin, Seismitoad, and Conkeldurr.

>>28832126
No. He is annoying and I hate him.

>>28834319
I don't play Smogon. I play Battle Spot.

>>28834336
The two paragraphs were for separate arguments. The top one is for regular playthroughs. The bottom one is for competitive battling. Got it?

>>28834475
It still sounds pretty dumb. Especially on Battle Spot, may as well not use anything but Megamence, Mega Khan, Garchomp, Brave Bird and other bullshit.

>>28834386
Your taste is trash.

>>28831488
Because it's trash.
It's a big goat with a ring around it.
This is your god.

>>28834517
I use other mons. I use what I like rather than what will always get me a win because I like to have fun. Don't get me wrong, sweeping with Megamence is fun every once in a while, but it's kind of funny to take down a Primal Groudon with a Pidgeot too.

Gen 3 is when Pokemon stopped being bad, Gen 4 is when it became good.

>legendaries have cool concepts, but bad desings
Every pokemon from this gen have a bad desing.

>>28834860
I wouldn't say every mon. Every gen has their good mons and their total stinkers.

now that pokegen doesn't work anymore is it impossible to get oak's letter and the member card?

What the fuck is this autistic thread? Every game has it's cons. No reason to make the 1000th thread about it.

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>>28831412
>yfw OP confirms that furfags hate sinnoh

>>28831412
>Starters were good
>he was fine
>last good rival
>the region was bad to navigate Mt Coronet was terrible
>gimmicks?
>underground was based for fossils
>unironically likes furbait and Garchomp

>>28831412
It's the only Generation where all starters are very good.

>>28831412
The starters are great, the legendaries look good (and Arceus looks fucking great), and the region is the best in the series.

>>28832077
How the fuck are the crossgens "cluttered"?

>awful starters

literally the only gen where starters all had some value (unlike the usual grass one being worthless, or Emboar)

could beat each other

had good designs and concepts

started cute too

didn't evolve into fucking humanoid freaks

>bad

kill the OP

>>28834860
Now that's a HOT meme right there.

>>28832092
Yanmega alone would be fine but it's weird as Yanma's evolution, colors don't seem like natural progression to me.

>>28832077
This. Crossgens in Gen IV are some of the worst looking Pokemon.

>>28834998
Nah.Quite literally the only bad one is Rhyperior, and the rest are not just alright but actually really fucking nice.

>>28832146
Because it vastly improves the gameplay instead of simply changing it to something different or more complex.

>>28832146
phys/spec non being type related quadruples alone the combinations

also most pokemon finally get to use stab moves without being limited by the common combination of poor base sp atk or atk and own type

>>28832146
The physical/special split makes a huge fundamental difference the most of the moves you use in battle. Most of those other things TYPICALLY don't have as much of an ever-present influence. With the exception of the borderline broken abilities they started introducing in Gen V, most abilities were highly contextual and wouldn't effect most of your moves. Dark and Steel types are obviously a significant change, but they are just two of almost twenty types so again, most of the time they're not affecting the battle. There are maybe a minority of items that have a comparably huge effect, like Mega Stones or the Eviolite or Life Orb or whatever. But the physical/special split is a all-encompassing change to the very core of the game. It's huge.

>>28834930
>what is gen 3

>>28834986
Torterra is garbage. It's super slow and dies against a cold breeze.

>>28834930
All of the Gen 1 and Gen 3 starters are also good. Blaziken is borderline I suppose. Its mega helps.

>>28834386
lol fuck you pineco is a fantastic design

>>28834930
And yet none of them have Megas.

>>28831412
I gotta agree, Gen 4 is when gamefreak started the trend of spamming stupid looking pointless legendaries.

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>>28831412
>only saving graces
>Lucario

>>28834386
>Tired of this circlejerk
/vp/ is literally a massive Unovabortion circlejerk you delusional faggot. Shitting on older gens is literally mainstream. It's also the trashiest taste possible. Also what the fuck is wrong with Seismitoad? Unova has PLENTY of abortions, far more proportionally than any other region, but Seismitoad looks fine. Conkeldurr is fine too. The musketeers are garbage. Mienshao is garbage. Reshiram is garbage. Stoutland is garbage. The starters are hot fucking trash. Meanwhile pretty much all the "bad" Pokemon you've named from other regions are fine except for Aromatisse. Kill yourself.

>>28831412
That's your opinion.

I disagree with it.

I have taste though.

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>>28835269
>the musketeers are garbage
You take that back right now. Keldeo is GOAT and the best legendary.

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>>28834896
please respond

>>28831412
2 of these are right, the rest are more opinions than anything else
I respect your decision on hating gen 4, but I must disagree on the rest that seem opinionated as... well they're opinions
I will give you points though for being open to other opinions which is what I interpreted from the hit me thing, so you're in the right direction, you're much better than alot of people nowadays

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>>28835348
>le ORAS is bad maymay
At least ORAS had a good Pokémon selection and a good level curve.

>>28835348
I literally didn't say anything about Sinnoh and the guy I replied to didn't single it out either. I started with Gen II. What the fuck are you rambling on about?

>>28835269
TELL HIM

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>>28831412
>>underground is bullshit
>>awful starters
>arceus
>bad design

>>28831412
The starters aren't awful, but they're not as good as the starters from the first three gens. Also none of the starters have the same star power as Charizard or Greninja.

>>28835383
Don't bother famalam, it's one guy who spends literally all day on /vp/ crying about Sinnoh and Hoenn regardless of whether or not it's actually relevant. Once you've seen him post a few times you begin to recognise his style. He's an actual, honest-to-god autist.

>>28834244
(I never played Gen VI, I know it undermines some of my arguments a bit but it doesn't matter for significance of Gen IV because it was released way after Gen IV)

You're fucking retarded. Infernape has amazing stats. It is also the first fire starter with strong dual stab (no, weak and inaccurate Blaze Kick isn't comparable to Flamethrower, Fire Blast or Flare Blitz and Sky Uppercut isn't that great either (it's almost the same but had smaller competition)). Infernape has much better stats than Blazken because it is fast and it matters fuckload ingame.

Torterra SHITS ALL OVER other grass starters because it's the ONLY grass starter with dual STAB (and great one at that) and second (after RBY Razor Leaf) grass starter who has any usable moves at all (but Torterra isn't limited to shitty grass type as its only offense). No, Venusaur's Poisonpowder doesn't count as STAB move. Torterra's also by far the strongest offensively.

Empoleon has amazing defensive typing, good bulk and power. Only Swampert is better from water starters.

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>>28831412
>awful starters
>region is dumb
>even the gimmicks suck
>underground is bullshit
>only saving graces are physical/special, Lucario, Garchomp, Leafeon, and Glaceon

>>28831412
>awful starters
That's what your gf told me about you last night.

>professor is a dick
Not a dick, just stern, which is a nice change of pace.

>rival has ADHD
More personality than Serena/Calem. And even if it's a bit on the annoying side he at least tries to beat you.

>legandaries have cool concepts, but bad designs (esp. Arceus, like what the fuck)
Penis dragon agrees.

>region is dumb
This reason was why we got linear regions afterwards. Not that I complain but I like how everything is tangled.

>even the gimmicks suck
What gimmicks?

>underground is bullshit
Fun as fuck. I want minigames like that again.

>only saving graces are physical/special, Lucario, Garchomp, Leafeon, and Glaceon
>Lucario
You're not helping your case.

>Hit me.
Meet me after class.

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>>28835425
>Torterra SHITS ALL OVER other grass starters
Torterra is an NU shitmon with no Mega. The only Grass starter it's better than is Meganium. Don't kid yourself.

>>28833561
>Meaning it was still a feature introduced in Emerald
Irrelevant if it wasn't really used in Emerald.

>The amount of times you do it doesn't matter
>The gameplay doesn't matter, only amount of features and time they were added does

>Using your logic you could say that the split was a gen 5 and 6 feature because they introduced more moves that utilized it as well as refining moves and such.
No, moron. Gen IV split affected all moves from Gen I to IV.

>The problem being that two of them were just tower derivatives rather than something unique.
I don't see a problem. They were much more replayable than gimmicks from Emerald. Battle Hall had amazing replayability.
Battle Frontier in Platinum in general was more polished than Emerald's.

>>28831412
I hate Lucario, edgy bait

>>28835461
I was talking about the game, not smogon.

>>28835140
>>28835161
Sceptile still suffers from Grass type curse of having weak moves and poor coverage. Good Grass type moves (Power Whip, Wood Hammer, Energy Ball, Grass Knot) were only introduced in Gen IV and Toreterra was the first Grass type with good coverage (dual STAB and Dark for coverage with possible strong Rock type TM).
But yes, Gen I and III starters were good, just not as much as IV. In Gen IV you really felt their power and it wasn't just the case of alternatives being shit. Starters in Gen IV were honestly strong.

>>28835567
Practically any Pokémon is good in-game if you're not a moron. I never understood this argument.

>>28835645
No.
Just because you can beat Brock with lv23 Pikachu doesn't mean Pikachu is good.

>>28831412
>Garchomp
>saving grace

loling out loud

>>28835633
I never struggled with using Sceptile in any of my Emerald playthroughs. If anything, it's a great starter to use due to all the Water types there are in the game.

>>28831412
>Lucario
>Being good at all
Stop shitposting

>>28831462
>>28831481
>>28831520
>>28831580
>>28831781
>>28832475
>>28834165
>>28834288
>>28835252
>>28835450
>>28835452
>>28835546
>>28835697
>Lucario is popular, so that means it's bad!
I'm tired of this meme.

>>28835759
It's an edgy bipedal dog which got Fighting/Steel for some reason. Its design is shit.

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>>28835828
>Fighting/Steel for some reason
Its aura powers relate to Fighting type while the metal spikes are for Steel type. Why is this so hard to understand?

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>>28831412
>saving graces
>Lucario
>Garchomp

>>28835869
>spikes
>auras
Alakazam should be Steel/Fighting because it has spoons and hands and has psychic powers.

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>>28835759
>>28835869
I don't even care that he's popular he's just one of my least favorite Pokemon Designs

The aura shit seems like such a psychic thing but they just slapped some spikes on him and called him a steel type

>>28831781
>>28834288
>>28834928
>>28835450
>>28835661
>>28835877
I thought Flygon fans were extinct.

>>28835900
Aura is not the same thing as Psychic power. Also just because a Pokémon has hands doesn't mean it's a Fighting type. Oh, and not all spoons are made of metal.

>>28835938
Sensing auras is esper shit alright. Lucario's typing justification is exactly this strong, that's the point I was making. Not all spikes are made of metal either. Alakazam's spoons are clearly made out of metal.

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>>28831412

> Lucario
> Saving grace

kys

>>28835965
>not all spikes are made of metal
Depends on how you define spikes. The spoons that Alakazam has could be plastic for all we know, but Lucario's spikes are clearly metal.

>>28831412
Since this is the lucario thread apparently, I'll say this. I like it, but I do think that it should lose the spikes and be fighting/phychic.

The point of Lucario's spikes is to show he has fists and a heart of steel.
It's sad when people demerit a design for being popular. Being upset that many people like something, is basically walking into the gate of madness.

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>>28835913
>implying I like Flygon
>implying I dislike Garchomp

>>28836043
>It's sad when people demerit a design for being popular. Being upset that many people like something, is basically walking into the gate of madness.
Welcome to /vp/.

>>28831598
>>in my opinion

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>>28831412
>Hit me.
With pleasure.

>>28835176
Doesn't that prove that they're so good they don't need one?

>>28836043
I don't care how popular he is, his fucking legs are the stupidest thing. Mega Lucario fixes them but jesus christ his literal shorts for legs.

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>>28831494
Johttoddler here, agree on most.

>Arceus is not a bad design
Best design for the Pokémon God would have been something small and cute but also kinda scary.

>gimmicks
The Pokétch. I miss it.

Also, one of my favorites comes from Sinnoh.

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>>28834244
>>28835461
>analyzing the starters outside their in-game use
>using standards from 10 years after the games were released
You're goddamn idiot and I hope you get raped with a cactus.

>>28832083
>went from real looking motions in Emerald to shaking blurry sprites in DPPt
RSE have terrible sprites and animations, what the Hell is your problem?

>>28836522
That's something I don't notice until I actually pay closer attention to Lucario's design. He has a really solid color scheme, but those shorts feel...

Off, for the lack of a better term.

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>>28831412
I'm not sure why you think people care

>>28832083
>>loss of the Game Corner in Platinum with no replacement
That was in HGSS.

>>Team Galactic has even stupider goals than Magma and Aqua
No, their goals were less realistic but they were more serious and competent about it.

>>Bad character designs throughout
>>unmemorable Gym Leaders aside from jailbait Candice and footfag Maylene
This is just plain bullshit.

Gen 4 is shit because it stopped the western trend of colored carts.

>>28832159
Who are you quoting?

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>>28834386

>>28834386
>Forretress
>Glalie
>Gen 4 Starters
>Yanmega
>Ambipom
>Electivire
>Your taste is so bad I don't even know who you're talking about here
>GLISCOR!?
>Gen 4 legends
>Darkrai
>Aromatisse
>Garbodor
>Seismitoad
All of these are great Pokemon and you have the worst taste. You didn't even name Lucario what the fuck.

>>28835151
>super slow
It's a TORTOISE and makes up with bulk.

>dies against a cold breeze
So does Garchomp.

>>28831412
(You)

>>28835424
This, always taking the chance to talk about Sinnoh fetuses when people were agreeing on HGSS and Pt being good since Gen V.

Not only that but, if you ask, it turns out a lot of people who like Sinnoh started with Gen II.

>>28834407
You have shit taste

>>28831412
Dumbest list of DPP complaints I've probably ever seen.

>>28837308
Aside from the speed and legendaries most complaints about DPPt are incredibly stupid.

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Fuck you, Barry is adorable

>>28837353
Agreed. Completely shallow, revisionist and contrarian.

>>28831440
>sinnohfetuses

jesus just let that term die it's not even clever

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>>28835759
Look mom im replying to so many anons at once!

>>28834244
>They were awful

Gen 4 Infernape was excellent competitively and the single best mon available for in-game runs. Before Blaziken got Speed Boost Infernape shat on by it.

>>28835645

Charmander is garbage in Red and Blue and choosing him damages your team for a long time. He forces you to grind a stupid amount vs Brock, either to beat brock with a massively overleveled Charmeleon, or you spend almost as much time grinding anyway for Butterfree.

Anything positive he can do(Viridian/Celadon Gym), a temporary flying type can do as well and then get dumped with little loss.

You can make it through the game with Zard, but he's a bad mon for it.

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gen 4: not the worst generation

the biggest problem was all the fucking baby pokemon. You'll notice they haven't done that since, so I guess they figured out that people hate the damn things

I liked the underground

pokemon design quality: I think it's below average but it has some good ones

I can't even judge based on story because el oh el story in a pokemon game

physical/special split was important

I don't know, maybe this opinion isn't black and white enough for /vp/ but gen 4: it's okay, I guess

>>28831847
Sinnoh is based off the Hokaido region of Japan, it's notoriously colder there, since it's the uppermost region of the island. Heck even right as i type this in my horrible hot 91 degree california weather, it's 48 degrees there

>>28837791
>Hokaido
Where are the Ainu, then?

>>28837971
non-existent, as is right.

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>>28831412

>>28831412
>professor is a dick
I'm going through Platinum for the second time and I would describe Rowan as being the most serious or focused in his work, but that doesn't make him a dick. At that point we didn't have a Professor like Rowan:

>Oak - Kind and supportive, but can be stern like with Blue at the Pokemon League

>Elm - Timid and prefers the indoors, such as giving you a pokemon to run an errand for him as well as the Egg from said errand since he doesn't get out much

>Birch - More casual and prefers field study which is shown on his character since he's the first professor in shorts.

Rowan being more stern with Barry for attempting to run off in the grass without a Pokemon and his brash lessons in the first encounter with Team Galactic shows he gets to the point and doesn't have time for foolishness.

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>>28838019

>>28838775
I feel sorry for them. I am replaying Diamond to celebrate its 10th anniversary and all my Mons have Ainu nicknames lol

>>28831494
Even when it's remedied in HGSS and Platinum gen 4's slowness is just annoying. Not even ADHD, I just find the speed to be tedious.

>>28838829
>replaying Diamond
Why? Platinum exists.

>>28838936
Because I bought Diamond and Pearl when I get my DS and since I had both I never bought Platinum. My Pearl is complete with everything so when I am nostalgic I play my spare Diamond.

>>28831412
Are you sure you're not talking about Gen 5?????

>>28838855
This the real kicker for me. I played through Emerald and Yellow recently before my current Platinum playthrough and both were faster despite being on older hardware. Did GF ever go on record about the Sinnoh game's overall speed after release? I notice the boost in HG/SS but not so much in Platinum.

>>28831412
>Lucario
>Saving Grace

Furfag detected

>>28835759
Salty lucario fag thinks people hate his shitty pokemon means they hate it for reasons other than it being horribly designed.

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>>28839097
>Game Freak ever admitting their shitty coding and planning

>>28831412
I agree, OP. The only region I can't stand.

>>28839247
You can go to Hell with him.

>>28835269
>Sesmitoad
>Conkeldurr
>good
>Mienshao
>bad

Your taste is garbage.

>>28836998
But Garchomp can actually outspeed stuff before dying.

>>28837747
Why does it matter if he's a "bad mon"? Pokémon is one of the easiest RPGs out there. Judging a Pokémon for how easy it is to use in an already easy game is beyond stupid. The whole point of Pokémon is to use your favorites.

>>28839307
Fuck off shit taste Sinnohfag.

>>28839192
>horribly designed
At least it isn't bland like most of Gen 1 or Gen 2's Pokémon. Plus Swampert is horribly designed and yet I see everyone on this board praise that stupid thing.

>>28831847

This seems to be a problem with a lot of things,but I find the formerly underage Hoenn fans to be far worse than the Sinnoh ones.

It's a cycle of children saying their shit is the best shit, but really genwunners started this so I can't really blame them for it. I'd wager your first game was on the GBA, but that's just a theory on my part. Would explain a lot about that opinion.

>>28836524
>I have no arguments so I'll just call you names
Gen IV is the only one I dropped.

>>28841466
>implying you have to be underage to like Sinhoh
I'm 22 and started with Gen II yet I think Platinum is mostly a fine game.

>>28840835
>bland like most of Gen 1 or Gen 2's Pokémon
Yet they have the most iconic pokémon out of all and they don't need to shill or force them like in modern games. I agree with the Swampert thing, though. It's a good 'mon but it looks terrible.