ITT: Unpopular opinions. >I like the gen 1 pandering. >PWT

>>28775494
>The games need difficulty modes again
>Customization should never leave the games from now
>The main formula doesn't need to change much
Anon, these aren't unpopular opinions.

Roxie is overrated as hell.

Heracross and Breloom are overrated. I dont hate them. Just dont think they're that cool

Swampert is lame.

>>28775494
>Fairies need a nerf
Surprisingly common opinion

I think B/W1 are the worst games.

>>28775494
>PWT is better than Frontier

This is unpopular?

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Also, I enjoyed playing Pokemon X.

>>28775494
>PWT is better than Frontier
Isn't it basically the Battle Dome but with more features?
>The games need difficulty modes again
>Customization should never leave games from now
How are these unpopular opinions?

But anyways aside from the gen 1 pandering and PWT>BF I agree with you OP. The Z-moves I have to give the benefit of the doubt and just wait until release.

Also what do you mean by main formula?

>>28775494
>unpopular opinions

These are only unpopular on contrarian /vp/. These are pretty commonly held beliefs elsewhere.

The only thing I really disagree with myself is Z-moves. I mean, kind of, they are technically unnecessary, but that doesn't make them a bad addition.

>>28775771
The idealized-French aesthetic was amazing in that game. Everything felt so comfy.

>>28775494
>>XY and ORAS weren't amazing in post game
This is not unpopular in /vp/

>>28775953
He was using that as a qualifier. Like a "Yeah, this part mightve sucked, but it made up for it with this aspect". The latter of which tends to be looked down upon if even mentioned at all.

>>28775811
>Isn't it basically the Battle Dome but with more features?
It's more like the entire gen 4 Frontier under one roof with a Battle Dome style progression.

After all the modes aren't just limited to legacy battles but also
>Rentals
>Mix where you and your opponent swap one Pokemon
>Type which is exactly as it sounds
There were also the download tournaments but we all know what happened there. Unless you're playing on a game that already has them downloaded you're shit out of luck.
It's also worth mentioning that the downloaded ones are the bullshit tournaments with one containing Fantina's famous Ghost Gem Origin Giratina.

>>28775557
This, but replace Breloom with Ampharos.

>>28775578
agreed

>>28775494
luchalitten is fucking shit, heap, so is pomaid, and so is arrowl, but that list goes from worst to best in terms of design.

GF constantly adds these terrible gimmicks to the games and then completely forgets about them making the games lack continuity (Z moves, megas.) but i dont mind megas that much, z moves seems a bit much.

UB may be the reason i don't play these games. they're are weird and dont belong in the pokemon games at all.

gen 1 and two have the best designed pokemon , but i think is up there with what i have seen so far

>>28776039
>luchalitten is fucking shit, heap, so is pomaid, and so is arrowl, but that list goes from worst to best in terms of design.

Is this unpopular? Because I 100% agree. Absolutely hate them. The only starters that I've just straight up said "no" to all 3 after seeing their leaked evos.

>>28776039
that last one is suppose to say sun/moon is up there

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>>28775494
>Z-moves are unnecessary gimmicks
>Megas are great and should come back
We haven't even used Z-Moves yet, but everything can use at least one. Sounds more balanced to me than Mega Evolution.
Especially after seeing the goatfuck that was VGC the past few years, holy shit.

> I like the concept of Megas (not necessarily how they were handled), but I hate Z-Moves so much.

> I don't like the idea of Ultra Beasts or the idea of "it all comes together", cus I think the Pokemon universe (and each game in the series) should be self-contained.

>>28776071
i believe contrarians are the only ones defending it but it seems pretty 50/50 and sometimes more in shit heaps favor in certain threads

JUST GETS BIGGER EVOLUTIONS ARE USUALLY BETTER THAN OFF THE WALL MAKES NO SENSE EVOLUTIONS

>>28775990
>Entire gen 4 Frontier
But it doesn't have a currency you earn per battle that you can use to heal your pokemon and gain an edge in battle, in the Battle Castle. It doesn't have that draw selection to adjust battles in the Battle Arcade. It doesn't give the player the option to choose which type they want to fight with one pokemon, like in the Battle Hall.

Turn this into a how do we fix pokemon thread

Everytime GF makes an extremely feminine/masculine pokemon there needs to be an opposite so its not ruined for the person that wanted the other thing

I think the BW anime is ok and the XY anime is bad. The DP anime is even worse.

Here is how I rate them:

Original>BW>ADV>XY>DP

>>28775494
>XY and ORAS weren't amazing in post game but the pokémon selection is the best. You can actually catch them all with just these games.
You could alos catch all 493 with just Pt and HGSS, if I recall

>The main formula doesn't need to change much
This, I agree with

>>28776266
I think S1 of Best Wishes is the anime at it's absolute best. Followed by DP.

>>28775494
I like Barbaracle.

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ballio is shit i'm so glad it's not real

of all the leaks the only one I like is Robinhoot and i really just it's the only real one

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I like luchalitten, probably the only fire starter I do like
I dislike charizard mostly because of how much pandering goes to him
I like gen 1, but like with fallout 1 i feel like at least for the original games people forget all the problems and glitches with them and nonetheless go on and on about how they are the best ones, etc.
I loved the sinnoh underground and want it to return
I loved megas and want them to come back, especially because of how a few shit mons got a much needed boost, like beedrill, mawile and sableye
I am really looking forward to sun and moon, but the whole z-moves thing seems a little stupid to me, especially the unique moves for pikachu and eevee
I hate how stealth rock needs 1 turn to set up vs 3 rows of spikes for the full effect
I really love the pokeradar and how at least for the story it made it much easier to get decent mons from just catching them instead of breeding

>>28775551
That's the dumbest opinion ever

She and Candice don't get nearly enough love

Platinum is only slightly better than D&P, so it's still fucking shit.

>>28775494

There should be another round of Gen 1 remakes before any DPPt remakes.

>>28776071
Lucha yes it's 50/50 everywhere. But Arrowl and Poppmaid are far more liked then disliked, particularly Arrowl. /vp/ is like the only place where they're all hated to death.

>>28775494
Gen 2 and Gen 3 are the best, followed by Gen 5.
TPCi Pokemon dubs are horrendous and downright unwatchable: I miss the 4Kids Pokemon dub of a decade ago.
Gen 4 and Gen 6 are the worst Gens, Anime or games.
Gen 1 is bashed too much.

Emboar>charizard

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>>28775551
I'M GONG TO FUCKING END YOU, YOU LIL PUNK BITCH

>>28776172
>But it doesn't have a currency you earn per battle that you can use to heal your pokemon and gain an edge in battle, in the Battle Castle. It doesn't have that draw selection to adjust battles in the Battle Arcade.
Not that these actually change the battle in any significant way. They're just gimmicks and one of the reasons why people initially hated the gen 4 BF to the gen 3 one. They were just the tower with a twist.

>It doesn't give the player the option to choose which type they want to fight with one pokemon, like in the Battle Hall.
That's essentially what the type mode is but instead of one pokemon of a specific type you're up against 3.

Then there's the fact that it's harder too.

>>28775494
>I like all of the games in their own way
>I don't mind another Battle Revolution as long as we can see beautiful 3D models with beautiful attack animations
>I don't really like Eeveeloutions but am interested in what every type of Eevee would look like
> On that note, I'd like more generation-crossing evolutions other than Eevee

>>28775494
I agree 100%

>Charizard is fucking trash. Ugly, shit design and typing, useless. Got two fucking megas too.
>Gen 3 is the only objectively bad Gen
(This is popular in most places, but we have a lot of 16-20 year old Hoennbabbies here now who will swear blind that Hoenn is the best)
>Frontier is ok but overrated.
>PWT should return in the final game of every Generation. That should be a staple of the franchise, I can't understand why anybody would disagree.
>B2/W2 was the pinnacle of the franchise in terms of quality and content. Masuda fucked things up with the pandering/dumbing things down.
>Origins is shit and Ash is legitimately a better character and trainer than Red. No I don't watch the anime anymore.
>Generations is ok though.

>>28775494
>I like the gen 1 pandering.
It would be ok, if we didn't just get so much of it in X/Y

>PWT is better than Frontier
You're right, but Hoennbabbies bitching about the Frontier have made it so that the PWT will never return.

>Megas are great and should come back
You're right. Great concept anyways, but Game Freak seem to be TRYING to ruin them.

>XY and ORAS weren't amazing in post game but the pokémon selection is the best. You can actually catch them all with just these games.
X/Y yes. I have no idea how you think the OR/AS selection was good though. Literally 12 years outdated, fucking awful. B2/W2, while slightly smaller than X/Y's selection, is still the best.

>The games need difficulty modes again
I would accept better balancing, like Platinum and B/W, but Difficulty Modes would be good too.

>Customization should never leave the games from now
Duh.

>Z-moves are unnecessary gimmicks
You're right.

>The main formula doesn't need to change much
Yup.

>Fairies need a nerf
I just wish there were more "creepy woodland sprites" like Mawile, and less "girly Pokemon!" like Slurpuff, tbqh.

None of these are really unpopular, you seem like a mostly intelligent guy who knows what would be good for the franchise.

>>28775494
I've lost track of which point of the never-ending cycle of contrarian opinions we're currently at, but Charizard is my bro, and all the pandering has finally let me use it (successfully) online.

>>28775494
>XY and ORAS weren't amazing in post game but the pokémon selection is the best. You can actually catch them all with just these games.
This. It's the reason I acutally started with filling my dex now, as they made it easy af.
I also feel weird now playing old games that don't have all the mons.

I don't give a shit about difficulty in main game either way, honestly it being easier is probably preferable to me because what I like about main game is exploring the region itself and seeing my team grow, and when I play competitive I always try to go full sweep with maybe some precautions to try and stop the opponent from even getting a chance to strike back anyways. The only part of enemy team building I care about is the Pokemon a given character uses as flavor. AZ's team is great for that sort of thing.

>>28776083
The difference is from what they've shown us, it looks like Z-Moves are going to be mostly useless. Status ones will probably be the only ones worth using, and the only one we know of is Eevee's. Otherwise you'll be better off with a regular hold item.

Mega Evolutions at least actually made an impact.

>>28775494
Are these really unpopular? I agree with all of them.

>>28780689
I think exp all ruined the game for me, it got too easy to level up all your pokemon. I can turn it off, but then I feel like I just gimp myself in return. The first exp share you get should work like the old one (only 1 pokemon more gets some experience) and then get upgraded to exp all after the league.

>>28780754
>I can turn it off, but then I feel like I just gimp myself in return.
This is how I feel most of the time in games in general. I COULD use this inferior thing or not use any of the fucking skills at all to gimp myself, but then the devs also could have balanced the fucking game too.

That being said, I didn't use exp share at all for X and only went with the pokemon I liked as I caught them (and breeding for a nature and then supertraining them) and several fights fucked me up. That one rock gym leader in particular managed a TPK since all I had was a Fletchcinder, a Mawile, a Honedge, and a Braxien.

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UBs not being catchable completely goes against the point of pokemon and would really disappoint me.

>>28775494
I agree

>>28776039
>luchalitten is shit
not an unpopular opinion here unless you claim you don't believe it's real.
hell, it is shit. think a lot of us hate it even though we think it's probably real.

>>28775494
>Z-moves are unnecessary gimmicks
It's true. It'll wreck the meta, and is really only there to be flashy. Just like half the megas/primals.

>>28781072
You can't catch sentient npcs, anon.

Otherwise we have slavery and people trying to breed Lillie with horses, dogs, and giant turtles.

>>28775494
Completely agree. Though I do feel that the pandering could be spread out a bit more past just gen 1.

>>28775494
I agree with everything you said hut the last three

>>28775494
>megas are good addition totally not unnecessary
>z-moves are bad even though i don't even know how they will be yet

Hi i'm OP and i'm dumb

I honestly like Gen 1

Seeing the posts around here this is probably the most unpopular opinion around. /vp/ has a huge hateboner for gen 1 since last year

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>>28781121
>people trying to breed Lillie with horses, dogs, and giant turtles.

>>28780861
I think you should just stick to platformers anon.
RPGs aren't for you

>>28781176
>RPGs arent for you if you dont want this dumb easy thing that gives you free levels out of its ass
Do you even read the stupid things you are posting on the internet anon

>>28781168
No one hates gen one so much as the irrational fanbase it has. They're complete unwilling to take in the fact that the games have flaws.

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>>28781176

>>28781175
The implications of that gif disturbs me

>>28781189
>They're complete unwilling to take in the fact that the games have flaws.
You do know you can take this argument to every gen dont you

"hoenn doesnt have much water!"
"gen VI isn't easy! just turn it off!"
"the level curve is fine! you're a babby!"

Yet people like you keep bashing gen I over and over and over by comparing it to standards of today's gaming when it came out for the freaking 8 bit handheld console, on a time were ports of tetris were already masterpieces of technology to it

>>28781185
>>RPGs arent for you if you dont want this optional item that gives you more freedom in team building
Ftfy.
You're not meant to use the exp share like you did before. It was designed around the large amount of pokemon in Kalos.

If you can't handle choice then you shouldn't be playing RPGs

>>28781175
I like it

>>28781209
>keep bashing gen I over and over and over by comparing it to standards of today's gaming
That's the problem. People only compare out to games that came out PRIOR to gen 1. Anyone with prior video gaming experience knows that gen 1 wasn't as great as people think.
I think the worst part about it is that they had help from some ex-earthbound devs and a 6 year Dev cycle and they still didn't iron out the flaws.

In any case going "but modern games are modern" doesn't discredit the arguments you're in.

And as for the "flaws" you posted above? Those are the epitome of subjective as opposed to objective flaws.

>>28775551

>May is overrated as hell

fix'd. Roxie is rated just fine.

>>28781209
>when it came out for the freaking 8 bit handheld console
Literally just an excuse for graphics. Mechanically, there's no reason why the game should have been so broken. Not to mention it wasn't GFs first game either.

>>28781218
>If you can't handle choice then you shouldn't be playing RPGs
Are you pretending? That original guy you two are bitching about literally said he made the choice to not use it and his experience was better for it.

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>>28781276
This

May is generic as fuck

>I feel about Johtoddlers and Sinnohfetuses the way people here feel about Hoennbabbies
>I'd rather have the "Team _____" thing be done away with than the Gym Leaders
>What >>28780689 said
>If turning this board red would remove the genwarshitters and constant stealth and not so stealth genwar threads I would thoroughly support it.
>Megas were a good idea, bad execution like most if Gen 6 and I have a feeling Z-Moves are gonna be the same
>Odd Gens > Even Gens
>Fairy-Type is no more poorly defined than Dragon, Psychic or Dark-Type desu

>>28781368
>>I feel about Johtoddlers and Sinnohfetuses the way people here feel about Hoennbabbies
That's not really an unpopular opinion.

>>28781368
>I feel about Johtoddlers and Sinnohfetuses the way people here feel about Hoennbabbies
So you're a Hoennbabbie then? Because Hoenn fans seem to irrationally hate Johto and Sinnoh for coming before/after their shitty games, and being more loved.

>>28781368
>>If turning this board red would remove the genwarshitters and constant stealth and not so stealth genwar threads I would thoroughly support it.
How would that even work? All a red /vp/ would do is make PokéGirl threads hardcore porn instead of softcore.

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>XY and ORAS weren't amazing in post game but the pokémon selection is the best. You can actually catch them all with just these games.
>The games need difficulty modes again
>Customization should never leave the games from now
>Z-moves are unnecessary gimmicks
>The main formula doesn't need to change much

Do you mean very popular opinions?

>>28781404
>Implying I'm a Hoennbaby
>Implying Genwunners even like your kind or don't put you on the same level as Hoennbabbies
>Implying this post >>28781209 doesn't completely describe Genfags
>Implying Whirlpool and Defog weren't as cancerous as Dive
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>>28781404
It's more the other way around. Sinnohfetuses and Johtoddlers can never come to terms with the flaws and tend to deflect onto other generations whenever the opportunity arises without actually addressing the topic at hand.

For Sinnohfetuses it's probably because their gen was by far the least popular with the fans and is generally regarded as the worst. However these are the games they grew up with so they maintain the state of denial.
Oh and before you say anything no sales don't indicate popularity especially when The sales difference between the two generations isn't that wide despite the DS being one of the most popular systems of all time and selling nearly double the number the Advance did.

>>28781418
>The pokeporn spam would drive out the genwar threads
>Some of the Genwarfags would be too busy fapping to their waifu/husbando to post
>Relentless Pokeporn is wouldn't almost be more bearable to deal with than
>"Muh Voltorb"
>"Muh Level Curve"
>"Muh Water"
>"Muh Slow Game Speed"
>"Muh Ice Cream"
>"Muh Causualzation"
constantly as we are now

>>28781501
>The pokeporn spam would drive out the genwar threads
it really wouldnt

at most would turn it into porngenwars

>>28781447
Dive in Hoenn is worse just based on the fact that there are fucking 7 water routes in that portion of the game, and then you discover that they double some of them up with fucking Dive Routes

Defog was just a fault of "Too Many HM's" in general, but it is used in just 1 (ONE) place, and you don't have to use it if you're a madman.

Whirlpool is post-game only in Gold/HG, so I have never had a problem with it. Only Silvershitters needed it.

Overall in terms of "Genfags", Genwunners and Hoennbabbies are the only truly vocal ones. ESPECIALLY if you venture outside of /vp/. You'll always see either "muh Gen wun" or "Hoenn da bess, everyfing waz ruind after emerald, muh remakes, muh frontier", while Gen 2, 4, 5 and 6 are celebrated generally mostly by fans with a long-lasting appreciation for Pokémon, who accept that every gens have flaws.

>>28781478
As I said above, after being on /vp/ since it was called /tr/, as well as venturing to other places outside of 4chan, I have seen that Hoenn fans are the most likely to shit things up in a discussion. Have you guys forgotten "HOENN CONFIRMED" already?

>For Sinnohfetuses it's probably because their gen was by far the least popular with the fans and is generally regarded as the worst.
>However these are the games they grew up with so they maintain the state of denial.
Well that's incredibly biased. Also factually incorrect, many fans regard Platinum to be one of the best Pokémon games ever.

>Oh and before you say anything no sales don't indicate popularity
I know, wasn't going to. Diamond and Pearl sold well because Gen 3 dragged on painfully long and people were excited for something new, especially on the explosively popular DS. However the games were riddled with problems and were criticized by fans. Even diehard "Sinnohfetuses" as you put it, don't defend D/P, but rather praise Platinum.

>>28781530
>Genwunners and Hoennbabbies are the only truly vocal ones
my sides

just look around

the amount of unovashitters and gen VI apologists is overwhelming

>>28781530
>after being on /vp/ since it was called /tr/,
Post discredited.

>>28781553
>I see some opinions I don't like on /vp/
>FUCKING UNOVASHITTER AND GEN VI APOLOGISTS
>IM BEING OVERWHELMED

>>28781530
>but it is used in just 1 (ONE) place,
It's used in 2 or 3 places anon. That said it doesn't make it any less pointless to have

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>>28781563
Aight

>>28781580
Here's a secret
/vp/ was always /vp/ the board name never changed officially. Nowadays it's just used to catch new users out in a simular way to "only newfags say newfags"
And for the record discussion of hoenn was low until remake speculation happened prior to XY.

>>28781530
>Defog not as bad as Whirlpool or Dive
>When Defog is the ONLY ONE where if you don't have it or use it could affect your battles

>>28781603
>/vp/ was always /vp/ the board name never changed officially.
BRO NO

/vp/ WAS called /tr/. It's how I even found 4chan. What the actual fuck are you talking about? I think it is YOU who is the newfag here

>>28781628
>/vp/ WAS called /tr/.
There was no point in time that /vp/ was officially /tr/. It has always been listed as /vp/.

I am no longer sure who is just pretending.

>>28781570
>I see some opinions I don't like on /vp/
>FUCKING GENWUNNERS AND HOENBABBIES
>IM BEING OVERWHELMED

see i can be retarded like you too

never doing it again though, it hurts

>>28781628
There was a discussion on what to call it, but it was only labled as one thing since its creation.

>>28781692
>>28781641
>For some unknown reason Moot had at one point changed the page to be titled "/tr/ - Team Rocket" when clicked, resulting in /vp/'s residents calling themselves "/tr/ainers".
From Encyclopedia Dramatica, so feel free to keep calling me a newfag if you want, but I am not crazy. I found /vp/ when it was called /tr/. Newfags.

>>28781628
>it was called tr
Cause moot is a faggot. He had done that with everyboard ever. Doesnt change the fact that its called vp. Moot is a faggot, so calling it tr is moot point

>>28781715
Which is why I said officially. The title changed for an incredibly small amount of time but it was always listed as /vp/.
The fact you have to look this up just confirms you're a new user.

>>28775494
Just curious, what exactly do you like about specifically gen1 pandering over just general pandering to previous gens

>>28781715
You know only newfags site ed. ED is a lurk only tool, not something to site you fucking newfag

>>28781739
Dont be a little shit. The fact that I remembered it being /tr/ at all is evident that I have been here for a long ass time. I didn't know it was only a temporary thing then because that's literally when I found the board.

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>>28781530
>ince it was called /tr/
>>28781580
>>28781628
>>28781715
>>28781764
Jesus fucking christ.

>>28781731
>vp
>tr
>calling anyone else a faggot
Haha, fuck right off kiddo.

>>28781768
Whats the problem friendo

Want to join in the fun? Shall I screencap this for you? :)

>>28781781
Pls.

If you could superimpose dank chicken-chan meme on it that'd be perfect.
C=

>>28781764
>The fact that I remembered it being /tr/ at all is evident that I have been here for a long ass time.
Yeah because it's so hard to pick up just by lurking.

>>28781764
>I didn't know it was only a temporary thing then because that's literally when I found the board.
Anon. The board was still called /vp/ the only thing that changed was the red title at the top.

Moot used to do that shit all the time. I think the last one he did was that Naruto one on /a/.

>>28781841
Sure? I don't care if you don't believe me, buddy. I don't even know why people are so worked up about this. I've never heard of people using /tr/ as some kind of bragging right, and I haven't seen the term /tr/ainers here in months if not years. I only mentioned it in my post so that a savvy reader could see that I have been here for a while, so that my point about Genwars might have some weight to it. If people want to assume I am lying, then... Sure? No sweat on my back.

>>28781868
I know. The confusion is that I found /vp/ at that particular moment when the title was "/tr/ - Team Rocket". I never figured out that this was merely a gag from moot, because I had first known this board as /tr/, and then saw it "change" to /vp/.

Also does anybody remember how long ago this was? It had to have been at least 4 years ago, because I first remember heavily participating during Magnet Coil threads, which would have been in 2012/13.

>>28781915
It was fairly early during the board's life if I remember right. But definitely before the magnemite trades.