So we can all agree that the 3DS and its games are a dissapointment

ORAS was a disappointment. I was happy with XY.

>>28770568
> So we can all agree with my shit opinion?

>>28770568
>So we can all agree that the 3DS and its games are a dissapointment in general, right?
wrong

get the hell out genwunner no one cares about the crappy game boy games anymore, no one wants you around, no one ever loved you or your shitty games

Pokemon started with the DS games and the only fanbase voice that matters also started with the DS games

>>28770568
I liked them a lot and sun and moon is looking very good man,i think we are safe

XY met my low expectations for first of a generation. ORAS was actually dissapointing. SM I am expecting another XY level game.

Coming from a guy who thought 3rd gen was the worst gen, ORAS was a pleasent surpise for me. I still haven't beat X/Y though, I'm going to be doing that next.

>>28770581
Wrong.

III > V > II > I > IV > VI.
And I'm sure VI isn't going to even dethrone Gen I.

>>28770607
To be honest it did for me to before reaching the 3rd or 4rth gym.
Free lucarios, small amount of new pokemon, the diffiuculty curve suddenly became nonexistent all the way until the champion, Megas instead of evos, every gym is 10 minutes apart from each other, framerate drops, the NPCs models in general look disgusting as fuck.
It felt incomplete as fuck, I thought that a 3rd version would fix all it's problems, but they never cared enough.
I felt the games were so terrible I didn't even bother with the Gen 3 remakes, solely because I didn't want to see my favorite gen being fucked like X and Y got.

Loved the 3DS games, they actually has something new going for them with 3D and all, and SM look good, so yeah imma keep enjoying my games.

>>28770679
>III > V > II > I > IV > VI

Literally the worst opinion in this entire website

>>28770691
This

>>28770697
It's almost right. Gen III shouldn't be first, but it's almost close enough

>>28770679
Incorrect opinion.

4 > 5 > 2 > 3 > 6 = 1

>>28770679
> 3rd gen is top
Come on now.

> Remove animated Pokemon
> Remove day / night cycle
> Remove option to write letters with words you want
> Trumpets
> Basic as fuck town design
> Water fucking everywhere
> Braile because why the fuck not
> No compatibility with previous games
> Can't complete national Dex without a lot of bullshit

VI=V=IV=II>III>I

Fight me, faggots

>>28770724
>>28770747
>first gen worst gen

I love ya butthurt lastgenners
It must be painful as fuck seeing go and Alola forms every day, you hate gen I so fucking much, everyone else must too! WHY DONT THEY HATE GEN I LIKE MEEE?

>>28770568
Bait thread that will still get 200+ comments as people pass over this one to argue about shit we argue about every day

>>28770568
>Overall, yes.
>Nope, for me SM needs to be perfect to celebrate 20 years, but I expect a XY kinda of game.
>If SM sucks I'm dropping the newer games. I'll pretty much buy old stuff to get the most pokémon in BW2 and play that forever.

>>28770721

the only reason gen III isn't universally acclaimed as best gen is because attack/special attack split only occured in gen iv (which i'll never understand why)

XY is definitely a ok game. Saying it is a terrible game is just this shitty meme.

ORAS is a fantastic Pokemon game. One of the 3-4 best Pokemon games ever. Saying it is bad or disappointing is just an delusional, contrarian meme.

So we can agree that OP has a terrible taste, yes.

>>28770607
Pretty much. Normally the first on a system is mediocre but then it gets improved. Didn't happen this time I guess.

>>28770773
the only reason gen III isn't universally acclaimed as worst gen is because meme loving fucks like you vote for it as favourite in polls sometimes so it doesn't end up below gen IV that no one likes anyway

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>>28770724
I agree with this

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>>28770782
>ORAS is a fantastic Pokemon game. One of the 3-4 best Pokemon games ever. Saying it is bad or disappointing is just an delusional, contrarian meme.

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>>28770782
>ORAS is a fantastic Pokemon game. One of the 3-4 best Pokemon games ever

If you're only counting the 3DS games, sure

ITT: Hot opinion slingers, slinging opinions.

>>28770765
i don't hate gen 1 though. i at least like all pokemon games

plus some of the alolan forms are great

GO sucks big donkey dicks tho, good thing it's dead

>>28770724
Perfect.

>>28770795
Now the bait has started

>>28770724
Switch 4 and 5 and that's some good taste

>>28770795
> Guys, look at this preety picture I made in Paint

>>28770782
Saying a game is disappointing is a meme?

Man, Hoennfags and Gen6fags combines into a real beast

>>28770568
Well since Masuda's not working on S/M, I think these games are gonna turning out to be great. Has Ohmori worked on any other Pokémon games?

>>28770845
Yes. Can't you read? ORAS is top 3 pokemon games of all time. Only losing to X and Y and Pokemon XD.

>>28770729

> Remove animated Pokemon
After playing 3 games with static pokemon, I didn't mind losing 2 seconds of animation at all.
> Remove day / night cycle
Yes, this was a bad thing, but I certainly think the pros outweighter the cons.
> Remove option to write letters with words you want
Only used it 2 times in Silver, literally useless feature
> Trumpets
Music was awesome, you motherfucker.
> Basic as fuck town design
As opposed to? I thought Mossdeep, Slateport and Lylycove were pretty cool.
> Water fucking everywhere
It was an actual adventure not being able to walk to the next pokemon center in 10 steps.
> Braile because why the fuck not
Literally the best sidequest in the whole series.
> No compatibility with previous games
This was a fucker too, but it was impossible with the technology at the time to fix this. At least Emerald and the GC games gave a chance to hardcore fans to complete their dexes.
> Can't complete national Dex without a lot of bullshit
Yeah, pretty bad, but if you played both the Hoenn and Kanto remake games, it was actualyl easier to complete the dex than it was in Gen II.

>>28770868
>It was an actual adventure not being able to walk to the next pokemon center in 10 steps.

my fucking sides

hoenn shitters actually defend the fuckign atrocious overworld with THIS?

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>>28770795
>Implying the old safari was fun or reliably useful with its uncontrollable rng.
>Implying Regigigas was a no brainer to get.
>Implying Dex Nav isn't useful for finding hidden abilities and specific pokemon, despite it being tedious at times

>>28770679
>>28770724
>>28770697
Superior and correct order


5>4>2>3>1>6

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STOP THIS FUCKING GENWAR YOU AUTISTIC RETARDS

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>>28770795
The only actual bad think is the double battle mechanics being fucked.

Everything else is nitpicking and shit that doesn't actually matter.

>>28770971
Put your nostalgiaglasses off. There is no reason why Gen 1 should be better than Gen.

>>28770568
no, your opinion is a disappointment, though

>>28770910
Fuck off you cunt, I don't see any argument about why water is bad.

It only made the world feel bigger.
Of course, since you're probably a "cool" kid that stopped playing pokemon after Blue because everyone stopped liking it and started playing it again with D/P you have such shit opinions about Gen III.

>>28770992
6*

>>28770679
>>28770724
>>28770971
Not one of you are right.

5 = 4 > 3 = 6 > 2 > 1

>>28770863
It isn't even top 6

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And people still have the gall to say /vp/ is shit because its full of genwunners.

Every fucking thread, every fucking day, an entire army of lastgenner defending ORAS and XY and crapping on gen I and II.

>we can all agree
where the fuck do you think we are? Of course we can't agree

I like XY / ORAS quite a bit and SM look like a big step forward.

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>>28770992
Go play gen 1 on the virtual console and then gen 6.

I will guarantee you the big majority, probably around 90%, will have more fun with gen 1 on a replay.
Gen 6 was barely tolerable on a first run, on a replay it's hell on earth, almost unplayable on how boring, bland, stale and what not it is.
You can't be wowed by 3d anymore so all the flaws stick out, and they stick out HARD.

It's not even the fact that gen 6 has a shitton of more stuff, at the end they're meant to be ENTERTAINMENT and if a game from 20 years ago does a better job at that with way, way, WAY less stuff then there's a big ass issue anon.

>>28770795
Who ever created this image is a complete idiot. All that is said there is false.

The funniest point is the point that counts XY not being patched with the ORAS megas, as a negative for ORAS.

You people really are that desperate.

>>28770868
Are you defending going from the sprites at its peak to the sprites at its worst

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>>28771049
I actually don't hate Gen 1 or Gen 2, the games are fun.


In fact I like Crystal more than Heart Gold and Soul Silver.

But in terms of mechanics they are objectively worse than the later games.

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>>28771031
>>28770971
>>28770747
>>28770724

Amount and coolness of new pokemon:
III > V > II > I > IV > VI
Overall world:
V > IV > III > II > VI > I
Battles, Gyms and E4:
IV > V > II > III > I > VI
Sidequest, Postgame and shit to do besides battling:
V > III > IV > VI > II > I

Overall score:
V > III = IV > II > I > VI

>>28770568

I hope Sun/Moon will be fufilling.

XY introducted a lot of QoL improvements/changes but the post game sucks, amie+exp share is broken, the pacing is absolute bollocks, Theres too many pokemon in the regional dex so you may not even see some of them, even in multiple playthroughs, the gym puzzles are completely obnoxious, and Gen 6 introduced this whole cinematic nonsense. So yeah, overall they're not bad games, but they are disappointments, especially coming from BW2.

>>28771064
I have, both RBGY and XY are unfun to replay.

Gen 1 feels like a slog because grinding is pain in the ass if you want to have a decent team and Gen 6 is boring because it's incredibly easy to beat.

>>28771105
>But in terms of mechanics they are objectively worse than the later games.
No, they're more simple. Sometimes more (way more) bugged, like gen I. That's irrelevant though for their value as important games for the franchise and more important, how fun they are to play

Like >>28771064 said i can pick up RBY or GSC any time for a new playthrough. It's simple, it's fast, it's fun. I will never repeat ORAS or XY on my lifetime, it's just not for me, once and done. You can cry "muh breeding, muh movesets, muh mechanics, muh fixed exp curve" all you want but in the end of the game i still have more fun with the "worst" games

3d pokemon was a mistake

>>28771138
>Gen 1 feels like a slog because grinding is pain in the ass if you want to have a decent team
No it isnt
Unless you want smogonfaggotry levels of team building which have no place in gen 1 to begin with

>>28771076
Sprites at its peak is definitely Gen V

A lot of anmations on crystal were pretty bad and only made battles start slower.
Although I must admit, most longer aimations were done by rarer mons, which usually helped you realize you found when looking for them.

>>28771144
So basically RBY or GSC are better to replay over XY thanks to a completely subjective "muh fun".

>>28770568
>Heck, even the blandest gen (4)
kek

KEK

K E K

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>>28771144
>XY's mechanics are too complicated


Are you serious?

>>28771187
>i like XY more because its easier to masturbate on the cartridge

See, i can invent bullshit quotes the other never said too

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>>28771163
Yeah it is.
I've never had a problem with getting a decent team in any other game aside from the Johto remakes.

There's little to no good places to grind and the level curve is beyond fucked.

>>28771138
Gen 6 is boring to replay because of so much handholding in pretty much every town/city

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>>28771049
>>28771105
No fucking shit they're worse mechanically, they're old as sin.

However they introduced a shitton of game changing things and introduced the series, red and blue were INSANE fucking games on release with the technology they had/

Meanwhile they have the technology to do a shitton of stuff on gen 6 yet they fucked up on almost every aspect one way or the other, sure, gen 1 has flaws but it's an insane game FOR THE GAME BOY that came out 20 YEARS AGO.

Gen 2 introduced a SHITTON OF STUFF and changed the games on top of having two fucking regions on a game boy color, also had some flaws.

However then there's XY that has flaws on most fucking things on it.

This is one of the few bases of players that instead of knowing and appreciating what old as hell games did with their hardware and their improvements, they bitch about them and try to
deny any connection to older gens in an attempt to look cool in front of others.

Honestly, gotta be high school kids to have this fucking mentality or worse, people that started on gen 4 or some shit and never played older games yet still talk shit about them while defending horrible decisions on a company that is both way bigger than the game freak of 20 years ago AND a company that has shitton of years of experience and tons of budget.

Just plain fucking childish

>>28770568
I like all of those

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>>28771198
You literally said that Red is simple, which is implying that XY's mechnaics are not simple.

Unless you're saying XY's mechanics are simple and Red's somehow isn't.

>>28771138
>>28771215
Why the everliving fuck are you grinding, are you serious.
I replayed through the games about a month ago and I even skipped trainers and routes and could still beat elite 4 on first try.

More importantly, isn't this what people want?

Some fucking amount of difficulty?

>>28770572
first post best post

>>28770568
>Heck, even the blandest gen (4) is by far better than these pieces of trash.
Nah, nothing has dropped back to Gen 4's level of rehashing and boring progression.

>>28770568
No, we can't, most of the complaints I've read about them are petty as shit, kinda retarded or just flat out wrong.

>>28771238
>You literally said that Red is simple, which is implying that XY's mechnaics are not simple.
Or maybe they still are, but a bit more expanded than the mechanics from a game from 20 years before using 8bit gen hardware

Stop being retarded, if i'm not asking much.

>>28770848
Oras

>>28771252
>Some fucking amount of difficulty?

This
You couldnt waste Exp on every pokemon out there, you had to make a worthwile team. It was actually more difficult to win the game with your favorites since not every fucker could learn Close Clombat and Grass Knot like games nowadays.

it was either STAB or Normal attack motherfucker, better have some balance in your team.

>>28771229
I played the old games when they came out, stop this this "if you don't know like it you're just a underage" meme.

Gen 6 is terrible but so are the original games. They might have been fantastic then but they've aged like milk.

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>ITT: We are nitpicking on a game for children.

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I'm a hoennbaby and I god damn hated ORAS. Words cannot describe how annoying it is to go to towns like Mauville or places like Granite Cave and see them completely redone for no good reason.
It's like I waited years for this?

>>28770568
I played X and OR for the first time recently.
Kalos was a cool region but X was a disappointment as a whole.
OR is fantastic though. Not as good as the 5th gen but pretty close. Definitely better than gen 3 and 4.

>>28771303
>ITP: you can never have any kind of criticism about games "made for kids"

>>28771299
Bullshit, I played both XY and yellow on VC on the past 2 months.

I couldn't keep progressing on gen 6 after catching xerneas and I finished gen 1 wishing it had more.
The only terrible thing here is you trying to compare a 20 year old game with a modern one on the same terms.

>>28771252
I don't care about difficulty if the gameplay is fun.

I'd rather have handholding than absurd tediousness.
>>28771281
No shit do later games change shit, but a large majority of the mechanics added in later games were FOR THE BETTER.

Shit like the Special Stat Split, Abilities, Natures, and The Physical/Special Split all made the games feel more deep and engaging and most importantly fun.

>>28771351
I'm not the one who said to play Red and XY and see which was better.
I'm just saying what my personal runs where like.

>>28771156
I would disagree Colosseum and XD were great games

Ironically not made by GF

>>28771380
While other stuff like Amie, the new Exp Share and megaevolutions made the game unfun to several people

You are attacking me for using my subjective point of view as an argument while you're still saying "for ME it feels better". Are you feeling okay anon?

>>28771313
I'm a Hoeenbaby and Mauville was boring as fuck compared to the rest of the towns in the Original.
I'm glad it got changed.

>>28770971
>>28771122
Patrician tastes

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>>28771380
But it's not tedious at all, it's fast, quick, no hand holding, the only thing that's somewhat tedious is the map design on a couple parts.

By the time you reach badge 4 or some shit on Red and blue you're still talking to shauna and her band of ugly misfits and their bland "dialogue" that never really amounts to anything and slow as fuck battles after that dialogue and then MORE DIALOGUE ABOUT THEM WANTING TO DO SHIT BUT THEY NEVER ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING AND IF I SEE THAT FAT FUCK DANCING AGAIN IM SHOOTING MYSELF FUCK


It's tolerable the first time, kinda annoying the second time.

By the fifth time you're looking for the fucking noose.

>>28771419
>subjective
When did you ever say it was your opinion?
All you were doing was laughing at people because they thought Gen 1 is bad, which is a valid opinion.

Just because you SAY the Gen 6 mechanics are bad doesn't mean they are. In fact I'd argue Amie is one the best mechanics we've had in years.

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>>28771313
Yeah, you're such a Hoennbaby that you think that Granite Cave was somehow "completely redone".
Really believable. Reeeally believable.

Old Mauville was shit, stop denying it.

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>>28771419
Nobody forces you to use exp share and megaevolutions are fine. If you don't like them, it's just your horrible taste. Objectively it's an improvement and another reason why Gen 6 is better than Gen 1.

>>28771122
>Gen 3 over 4 and 2 for post game and sidequests

>>28771485
The game does forces you to use exp share, it's on by default and you HAVE to change it.

Not to mention the game is designed with exp share in mind, it's DESIGNED to be easy as fuck.

Mega evolutions are fine, but you get them really early and they make the already piss easy game a complete snore because you can just solo everything with your mega.

>>28770729
>> Remove animated Pokemon
And? It was a gimmick that added nothing to the game
>> Remove day / night cycle
It removed it graphically otherwise time based events still occur. If you remember right RSE were the only gen 3 games to allow Umbreon and Espeon to evolve.
>> Remove option to write letters with words you want
There's a little thing we like to call TALKING and in short range of your friend there's no real reason to buy mail when you can do just that. If you really want to be pissed about the mail complain at gen 6 for removing them.
>> Trumpets
Retard
>> Basic as fuck town design
Compared to what? The two previous regions with Towns that all look the same?
>> Water fucking everywhere
It's literally the last eigth of the game and takes a good 10 minutes to traverse the entirety of it. The last surfing segment in DP as well as the snow is much, much more infuriating.
>> Braile because why the fuck not
That's a good question. Why the fuck not? Unless you actually liked how they dealt with the beasts in GSC.
>> No compatibility with previous games
You know just as well as the rest of us that they wouldn't have removed it if they had the choice. The only reason it's not there is because of the hardware changest between the GBA and GBC.
>> Can't complete national Dex without a lot of bullshit
You literally just need the main games just like before

Honestly anyone who thinks Kalos was a well put together game with effort is probably mentally handicapped

>>28771470
>people saying gen I is bad is a valid opinion
>don't say Gen VI is bad, though, it's not valid enough because i like Amie

Why do i even bother
You're probably the retard that posted about ORAS being top3 pokemon games. Should have taken the hint there.

>>28771512
Half of the fucking region is designed to be water, you retard

>>28771313
>Remake
>hated seeing them remake things
What the fuck did you expect? just play emerald?

>>28771505
>counting visiting kanto as postgame.

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>>28771457
>fast, quick
Not really, you still had to do some stupid shit to progress. Sure not as much as later games but it was certainly there.

And yeah you're stupid friends are bad in XY but I can't stand Gary. He's not fun to listen to at all.
And that may be the point but there are better ways to engage the player than to plop in some annoying twat.

As much as I love B2W2 I hated your friend or whatever in that game for the exact same reason, he wouldn't fuck off.

>>28771509
>forces you to use it
>you HAVE to change it
>/change/
>/forces/ /you/
>/you/ /change/ /it/
nice try, Mr. Troll!

>>28770568
>So we can all agree that the 3DS and its games are a dissapointment in general, right?

The games? Maybe.
The 3DS? Not even close. I've played many amazing games in it.

>>28771509
>The game does forces you to use exp share, it's on by default and you HAVE to change it.
The game forces you to use the first 5 Pokeball to fill your playthrough's team, you have them by default and you HAVE to buy more if you want other Pokemon.

>>28770679
>gen three so high

ORAS saved those shitty games lol

>>28771545
>What the fuck did you expect?
Things being remade in a good sense
Yeah you can change things. You don't need to change them for the worse though. If you really don't have anything new to improve, then don't change it at all. ORAS never took this hint

>>28771545
>redone=\=remake

They butchered those places

I'm not him, but I like New Mauvile but they destroyed Granite cave

>>28771520
Gen 1's flaws are actual flaws with the game, most of Gen 6's flaws boil down to personal taste.

And ORAS are not in my top three, but they certainly get what on more than they should.

>>28771512
People seem to feel the need to be defiant to the point where they have to counter every point. Sometimes you can admit when a game fucked up. Defending the removal of animated sprites and the day/night cycle are silly and don't enhance your argument. It dilutes your good ones

Also, 17 of Hoenn's 34 Routes are Water and 5 of its towns are accessed by surfing. Another 2 are the ones you surf from. Its definitely not 1/8th of the game

>>28771598
Gen 6's flaws do not boil down to personal taste. They genuinely had awful mechanics. They didn't even mildly plan for EXP values.

>>28771546
Most people do

>>28771598
>gen 6 flaws boil down to personal taste

That is factually wrong

>>28771551
>can't stand Gary
What did he mean by this

>>28771598
>if you don't like Route 01 or Route 02 new interesting mechanic of 100% catch rate pidgey or Tierno's Roserade with only petal dance (but only Tierno's - the bad movesets of gen I even when you still didnt have 1/6 of the options you have today are a flaw) its just your personal taste speaking!

Move along everyone

>>28771598
Stuff like how bad the region is to traverse due to mechanics like the skates, walking Pokemon routes, and route 13 are objective, and so are how patchwork put together it is

>>28771620
>>28771625
Saying the game is too easy is personal taste. The game is not mechanically broken like Gen 1 is.
There might be some stupid shit like Mega Gengar or Fairy Type but there's isn't a move that won't do what it's supposed to.
>>28771666
None of those are mechanics Satan.
Do you even know what a mechanic is?

>>28771532
>I'VE NEVER PLAYED A HOENN GAME IN MY LIFE
Typical Johtoddlers. For the record don't make it this obvious.
In any case that "half" is nowhere near half of the game or the region for that matter. It's literally just a few routes.

>>28771686
>Do you even know what a mechanic is?

Do you? The first route 100% catch rate IS a mechanic. They brought it back from gen 3 and "improved" it by forcing the first encounter to always be a pidgey. Dumb lastgenner

>>28771668
The fact that I've never had a problem with any of these outright proves they aren't objective flaws.

>>28771694
See >>28771603

>>28771686
I'm saying you could have taste of liking sonic 06

Saying flaws are under personal taste is literally retarded.

>>28771718
It's better than them force-feeding you how to catch a Pokemon.

>>28771694
17 Routes. Out of 34.

Its literally half of the routes

>>28771739
Just like gen II where they forced you to wa- wait they didnt

Nice goalpost moving though friend

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>>28771694
He's right tho, basically everything after badge 5 is water everywhere, water in routes, mountain surrounded by shittons of water, water everywhere around you PLUS raining and then the whole fucking ocean

The worst part is, all this water and hoenn doesn't even FEELS tropical, alola sure does.

>>28771719
No, because people can also not have a problem with the things you call objective Gen 1 flaws.

>>28771738
Sonic 06 is fundamentally broken in every which way.

Saying a game is "too easy" or "the characters are annoying" aren't objective flaws because those boil down to personal taste.

>>28771772
Bullshit. Tell me you played gen 1 back in the day and didn't thought the game was lacking because Fairy type wasn't a thing??? Ruined my immersion i tell you. Or how people rioted because Gen 1 didn't had a post-game. I remember the fire and the pitchforks to this day.

>>28771558
Pffft, The 3DS wishes it had the amazing library the DS or even the PSP had.

Most of its games are either the most medicore in their own series or just plain bad, I never played anything truly spectacular that on my 3DS that I couldnt play elsewhere.

Among the most decent ones were KH:DDD, RF4, BD and the LoZ games, but they were that. Decent. thought Kid Icarus was a shitty game.

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>>28771761
You mean the generation that fixed little to nothing on the first gen and had a fucked level curve and a fucked Pokemon distribution?

Even a broken clock can tell time right once.

>>28771811
The 3DS is the only current Gen console with a good library

>>28771801
No. A flaw would me getting frustrated when swimming to Cinnabar and being locked into wrap.

Or getting raped by lance's hyper beams

>>28771821
Yes, i mean the generation many loved and which remakes are also very loved, because
not everyone is a lastgenner retard like you.

Your point? You still haven't deflected how the forced 100% catchrate isn't a mechanic. I'm waiting.

>>28771821
>split the Special stat
>held items
>genders
>updated palette
>female MC
>battle tower
>mini games like bug catching contest and Buena's password
>fixed little to nothing

Bait that got me hooked

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>>28771821
>little to nothing of the first gen

Clearly a ruse

>>28771828
Sadly true

>>28771788
Everything about X and Y feels unfinished. Look at Battle Cheatu rematches. Route 9. Characters disappearing from the story for hours on end. So much more

>>28771834
>No. A flaw would me getting frustrated when swimming to Cinnabar and being locked into wrap.
Wrap and Bind were no bugs. Nice job proving how retarded you are. It was a design choice and guess what, the moves that had the same effect became utterly useless in newer gens for not having it. Hooray you fixed it!!!

>getting raped by lance hyper beams

Are you even being serious now

>>28771828
>>28771881
But anons, both the PS4 and PSVita exist.

>>28771899
If it wasn't a problem clearly they wouldn't have fixed it next gen

>>28771603
>>28771721
>>28771694
Also bear in mind that Hoenn has 15 Towns and with 7 towns being connected to water, that is half the routes and half the towns having Water.

The only reason its not 8 towns is because the ocean starts at the route right next to Petalburg City.

>>28771929
>VITA
>good library
>even having a library of any sorts

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>>28771853
I love crystal, but I can admit that that game isn't perfect unlike you.
>>28771866
None of those are fixes, those are additions.
>>28771881
>feels
>FEELS

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

06 WAS unfinished, but saying XY FELT unfinished doesn't mean it was.

>>28770827
More like switch 5 and 2 and it's perfect

>>28771929
Are you sure the Vita exists? Its pretty much Sony's WiiU that people don't make fun of because they forget about it.

>>28771603
>Sometimes you can admit when a game fucked up
Sure. When a game actually HAS fucked up or on actual legitimate flaws.

Hell the first two are just plain personal preference seeing as they didn't enhance the game one bit.
It would be understandable if the game actually removed legitimate features without and adequate replacement like how the Safari Zone was removed in Gen 2 or the Gen 4 BF removing four unique facilities but come on
Trumpets?
Animations?
Writing letters?
How do they affect the game in any way other than the personal level? They didn't add any content, they didn't change the way you battled

>Its definitely not 1/8th of the game
You do realise that you are at no point required to traverse all 17 water routes right? The only mandatory routes to go to are the four encompassing Mossdeep and Sootopolis and the one leading up to evergrande. Making it a grand total of 5 routes out of 34 that are mandatory.
That said looking at the content on land as a whole it certainly is 1/8th of the game. Keeping in mind that the region is larger than both Kanto and Johto.

>>28771770
>The Weather institute is water
>Fortree is Water
>Lilycove is water
>Pyre is water
>Mossdeep is Water
Pic related

>>28771988
>lilyCOVE is water
yes it is
>weather institute is water

the whole route has a huge river, ponds AND it's raining

>fortree is water
the one part that is not full of this shit
>pyre is water
It's LITERALLY surrounded by water
>mossdeep is water
IT'S A FUCKING ISLAND

>>28771956
Clearly you haven't played route 9 the wind and how broken the encounter mechanics (constantly locking you into encounters with repels not doing anything) the fucking route is empty as fuck and has tons of buildings that do nothing.

You honestly can't tell me that is a finished route

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>>28771956
>xy literally has towns and routes visible but you can't acess them
>IT DIDN'T FELT UNFINISHED

>>28771956
We can't confirm Sonic 06 isn't a finished game. Just as we can't say that for X and Y

Remeber the Lumious save glitch?

That is probably the worst glitch that has happened in Pokemon. In the center of the region, if they were on the DS, they would probably recall the games

>>28771988
Hoenn definitely isn't bigger than both Kanto or Johto combined.

Not to mention that the only way you could even think that is if you included the non-mandatory routes you just excluded.

As for the second part, I'm not saying it was a good post, a lot of that is stupid and I never denied it. In fact, my whole point was that dismissing legit things make your good points look worse. Even if its a personal preference, you really can't deny that moving sprites are better than not and having it become night time is better than not.

As for the water thing, I've made enough replies to you as to why its definitely half of the region. Either way, we're talking about the region as a whole and so every location should be considered.

>>28771988
>pic related
>no pic

>>28771988
Also about the water thing, the region is literally a ying/yang sign with land and sea.


At least before ORAS fucked the map art in the ass until it became a big square gaping mess

>>28771943
>>28771973

I don't mind presenting my argument;
Sure, the Vita's library is small, but I truly believe it had some of the most unique and inovating games so far. This is what I liked the most about the Vita, it's games were refreshing to me, in the sea of shitgames and rehashes.

Gravity Rush felt unique and innovative (althout a little shrt, that's for sure) It had stuff that I haven't really played in any other game.
Athough the loss of Munster Hunter was a terrible blow, it gave us stuff like Toukiden, Soul Sacrifice and Freedom Wars. Hell, the Delta update of SS made it a really competent replacemente of MH.

It was a system that didnt rely on touch gimmicks to sell itself, many Vita games were original new IPs and even though it didn't get many sequels of excellent PSP games, it held its own.

As for the PS4 I really liked Bloodborne, Driveclub, Pirae Warriors 3 and Uncharted 4, but that's just a shitty opinion of mine

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>>28772048
I haven't played XY in a good long while, so I can't exactly remember what route that is.
It might not have been finished, but saying it certainly is because of that you THEORISE is retarded.
I can theorise that Klingklang was based off of a toy Steamboat that Masuda owned but they doesn't mean it's true.
>>28772066
I never said it did, but we don't know now do we? And saying "it's unfinished because I think it is!" makes you look like a ass.
>>28772085
Except we can confirm it. We know for a fact that it was unfinished, we just fine know why.

And having a glitch doesn't mean it's "unfinished", if you really want to be that technical no game is ever finished.

And it's not like it matters anyways, Super Mario World was unfinished and it's a fantastic game.

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>>28772020
>yes it is
It's land you idiot.
>the whole route has a huge river, ponds AND it's raining
So what you're trying to say is that every City, town and route that even has a drop of water is a water route. I hope you realise how idiotic that sounds
>It's LITERALLY surrounded by water
It's literally a mountain that you climb that has no water.
>IT'S A FUCKING ISLAND
THAT YOU TRAVERSE BY FUCKING FOOT

Forgot my pic by the way

>>28772163
>I never said it did, but we don't know now do we? And saying "it's unfinished because I think it is!" makes you look like a ass.

Developers have always ALWAYS rushed games to meet deadlines.
Recently this has been way more noticeably than it has been in older generation of games.

Kindly stop being an XY apologizer and admit its flaws like you so claim.

>>28772157
I don't deny the Vita has good games. Hell, the WiiU has a lot of good games. But if we're talking the best library of the generation, I can't see any of them coming close to the 3DS and its near constant stream of good first party, second party, third party and indie games.

>>28772163
Lumious Badlands

It's the desert route

>>28772163
That anon was wrong it's route 13

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kalos_Route_13

BW2 > Emerald, HGSS, ORAS, Platinum > the rest of games.

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>>28772087
>Hoenn definitely isn't bigger than both Kanto or Johto combined.
Combined of course not. Separately is a different story especially when it comes to Johto which still stands as the smallest region thus far.
The routes and everything bar the central town were incredibly small and there wasn't much to explore off the beaten path. I'm not sure how any one can say that Hoenn is smaller than either of them.

>Not to mention that the only way you could even think that is if you included the non-mandatory routes you just excluded.
Actually no. Originally I was only talking about the mandatory areas. But above I'm comparing the entire region.

>you really can't deny that moving sprites are better than not and having it
Like I said that's entirely a personal preference. For example personally the sprites had very quick and twitchy animations as if the pokemon were having something like seizures or a stroke. In other words they didn't look all too appealing. A lot weren't exactly, inspired, to say the least. There were very few that did more than this for example.

>Either way, we're talking about the region as a whole
Until this post we weren't. Please pay attention next time.

No, we cannot especially with the PSS. Despite the underwhelming storylines of the games, they're far from worst.

>>28772492
But let's say they go the fate of the DS wifi, how will you rate the games

>>28772456
The original comment was just listing off things in Gen 3 and talking about the region/games having water, and nothing about mandatory vs non mandatory areas. Not to mention saying it's the last 1/8th of the game doesnt imply anything about if it's talking optional or non optional areas.

Also, it's a bit silly to say that there is not much to explore in Johto off the beaten path when it has the huge optional areas with Dark Cave, Whirl Islands, Mt Mortar, the back of Union Cave, Ruins of Alph, Tin Tower, and small optional places in pretty much every route after you get surf. There's more in the remake but we arent talking about that. But no, Hoenn is definitely not smaller than either of them. Though I dont think Johto is smaller than Kanto either, even in Gen 2.

I mean, you can prefer something, but that doesnt mean it cant also be better or worse. Not saying that in one of those "my opinions are correct" ways but how someone feels about say, the day/night cycle doesnt mean much about how good it actually is

>So we can all agree that the 3DS and its games are a dissapointment in general, right?

no

>>28770572
Agree. XY wasn't the best Pokemon experience, but the wide variety of pokemon and decent pacing made for a nice game.

ORAS was poorly tuned crap.

>>28770729
>>Can't complete national Dex without a lot of bullshit
This is the only valid criticism against Gen 3. Everything else is just nitpicking.

>>28770729
>> Basic as fuck town design
Is this shit serious? The same gen that had a treetop village, port town, town you could only read by diving or flying into it, floating town, etc. Gen 3 had some of the most varied towns!

>>28771594
see >>28771483

New Granite Cave is actually almost 100% identical to the original.

The only difference now is that it's optional.
Why does making something mandatory = better?

6 > 4 > 3 > 5 > 2 > 1

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>>28770568
XY were pretty fun, lots of new stuff and mechanics, and of course the ease of getting good pokemon in the FS.
ORAS I had a great deal of fun with the secret bases but after ~1240 flags it petered out.

>>28771313
The biggest fuck ups in ORAS were all visual. Emerald is the most visually cohesive and beautiful game in Pokemon to me. ORAS is a mess in that department starting right with the color pallette.

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>>28778616
I agree, the artstyle is complete ass. I cannot take anything seriously when characters look like this.

>>28778616
Yeah, the mountain tiles are notably shit for me

>>28770568
ORAS had some nice muzak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DtwTX_G8J8

>>28770572
Agreed.

>>28771351
>>28771408
This sounds like there isn't going to be a right answer here, because all of this is based on subjective tastes. Like, from personal experience, I greatly enjoyed XY and replay one of them at least once a month. RBY, on the other hand, is boring as fuck to me, and is my second least favorite gen and region (GSC is still golden though, even with it's garbage level curve). It's all a matter of personal taste.

The majority of actual hardcore Pokémon fans with actual taste all agree Gen 6 was awful.

Sun and Moon has yet to win me over. I'm not falling for the hype. There has to be something VERY substantial still hidden away within these games as well as more than 70+ new Pokémon and no trail mix region bullshit. It's looking to be that way with each passing day.

>>28770568
We can all agree that we can't all agree.

>>28770568
Honestly I can't hate XY, it has the same shit story as DP, and Kalos is kind of bland overall, but the pokedex variety is a fantastic change, and it has some good music like Professor Sycamore's theme. I also like how high the levels get, as in you're like almost 40 by the 4th gym, it allows the gym leaders to use fully evolved pokemon which is fun. It's not very hard, due to the exp share giving way too much exp. As for ORAS I love them. I loved Ruby and Sapphire, and they are a really good remake of them. The music is good (I do wish they used some trumpets), the delta episode is interesting, and some fun post game stuff (though removing the bike puzzle to catch rayquaza was dumb).

The biggest problem with both games is the lack of end game stuff. I played BW2 the most out of any pokemon game, simply because of all the end game shit there is to do, and it's fantastic. I wish Z/ORAS had added the battle frontier or something more, or done like BW2 did and make us go through the region in a different interesting way.