How would you fix Bug and Ice types without making them insanely

Just change the relationship with bug and fairy. then bug is fine.

As for ice, I dunno. It needs a lot though. I'm tempted to say they should just get rid of the rock weakness. Having a fighting weakness is bad enough anyways. Rock is used more offensively than water so I think that would be a better buff. Plus it would help ice types deal with sneaky pebbles.

I also think they should add an ice type with an ability that inverts its weaknesses and resistance. :^)

>>28674563
Scald is everywhere

>>28674530
>Loses Weakness to fighting

Nice meme.

>>28674530
Bug:
>No longer weak to Rock types (Fucking bugs live under rocks and shit)
>SE against Poison types
>Neutral against Ghosts (What was the reasoning behind this again?)

Ice:
>Resists Water but Scald is SE
>Resists Electric (Unlike Water Ice is a shit conductor)

Also some extra stuff
>Psychic is SE against Fairies
>Steel resists Ghost again but gets Neutral damage from Dragon
>Poison is SE against Water

>>28674563
This. Literally all bug needs is to resist fairy or hit it for SE. Not even both

ICE

>Now resists Normal and Water
>Loses Rock weakness

Some would say add a flying or grass resistance as well. But I'm going with this.

BUG

>Now resists Fairy and Psychic
>Is neutral against Fairy, Ghost and Poison

Now the real questioned is how to fix grass

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Gardevoir thread?

>>28674804
Or make it so you cant' transfer SR carrying mons to SM and remove its TM/Tutor status.

>>28674826
>>Now resists Normal
That makes no sense
>>(Bug) Now resists Psychic
>Wanting to nerf Psychics even more

>>28674888

>Makes no sense

Ice is hard, nigga. As in, rock/metal hard if it's compact enough. If Rock resists Normal, so should ice.

>Caring about psychics
>The type with the most bullshittily high coverage options after normal

I think changing weaknesses and resistances would be a bad way to balance the game, since that has so many variables and if there was ever, say, an ice-type psuedo or something suddenly it's stupidly broken because of what you arbitrarily decided on before. Then when everyone is complaining ice is broken offensively and decent defensively because of this specific typing, what do you do? Just change the type chart again?

Just make ice types more worth actually playing with. Make hail better with actual hail abilities (where the fuck is hail swift swim?) Stop giving every ice type snow cloak. Make more things like Mamoswine that are offensive based, or like Weavile that are fast, instead of this stupid slow and bulky bullshit. Give them decent attacks that are only available on ice types. Freeze Dry was a good concept, make something that's actually decently fast and specially offensive that can use it instead of making the best user of freeze dry fucking Cryogonal or Mega Glalie that caps out at 120 base special attack and no hold item or offensive ability.

>>28674994
>I think changing weaknesses and resistances would be a bad way to balance the game
not when both types are so ineffective against so many things

no matter how hard you buff the movesets, people wouldn't still use bug or ice with so many weaknesses and restrictions

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>>28674530

Ice is no longer weak to rock.
Resists Ground and Flying.
Hail boosts the Defense of Ice-type Pokemon by 50%, like Sandstorm does for the Special Defense of Rock-types.
Add Ice-type equivalents of Sand Rush and Sand Force.

Bug is no longer resisted by Fairy, and resists Fairy.

>>28674994

>and if there was ever, say, an ice-type psuedo or something suddenly it's stupidly broken

There are already Ice-type legendaries, so why would a pseudo be what breaks the camel's back?

>>28674994
Because it's retarded at times. Mostly for bug. Why the fuck does Ghost resist Bug?

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post gardevoir, it's a gradevoir thread

>>28675125
I always thought it was dumb that Bug resists Fighting.

It's a bug. Bugs get smashed all the time. I'd think a karate chop would be good for that.

>>28674994
Bug is resisted by seven types

>>28674530
Grass deserves buffs more than Bug and Ice since it's a starter type.

>>28675207
Bugs gets squished all the time because they're fucking tiny. bugs in Pokemon are as big as you. They most like likely resist fighting because of their exoskeletons.

>>28675355
I don't think it's any more or less deserving but but it does need a boost. Even in gen 4 there's some gardenia dialogue where she acknowledges grass types aren't very strong

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>>28674848
sure, why not

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>>28675500
Dubs confirmed Gardevoir thread

>>28675355
grass get waifus so idiots will stil use it

ice and bug remain deserving more

>>28674848
>>28674957
>>28675500
>>28675161
Please don't be faggots. Go make your own thread, it's super easy.

>>28675479
>Grass resist rock
>Grass are no longer weak to flying
>Flying are super effective against fairy types
How about that?

>>28674634

Because fighting is totally balanced right now

>>28674530
Didn't you see Karate Kid 2? Fighting will always be super effective against ice.

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>>28675541
No u

>>28675479
I feel like if there's a problem with grass, it's that most grass pokemon barely get any coverage. It's insane. At the very least, their moves don't get taken by other types very much, like Leech Seed or Sleep Powder.

>>28675618
Clicking the report button is easy =3

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>>28675637
No rules are being broken thread
Except for the one when you announced your report

>>28675418
>Bugs resist Fighting because of their exoskeletons
>Fighting is super effective on Rock and Steel
???

>>28675672
>Global Rule 3: You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.
>off-topic replies
>thread about fixing Bug and Ice Types
>hijack with waifu
>off-topic replies
First day on the board, eh? Might want to read those rules again there, champ.
Now please leave.

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>>28675786
Nice try friend, but you don't have any authority here
Besides, you're the one sending this thread off-topic with your hating

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What about making Bug types effective against Ground types? Makes sense, considering how many bugs burrow through the ground.

>>28675838
Says the guy who tried (and is still trying) to hijack the thread.
When did I claim authority? I ASKED you to leave, I did not command it.
Please leave.

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>>28675878
Eat shit
Go back to talking about how you could fix types when nothing will actually happen

>>28674530
Should've added a hard mode: balance ice without touching water.

I don't know how many times this is addressed, but part of me feels like movepools for a single type aren't addressed as much. What do you think about the bug type moves availible /vp/? Is it good as it is or does it need more variety (like priority, more special moves, etc.)
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bug_(type)

>>28675207
Nah, that makes sense from a flavor perspective if birds resist fighting too.

Like, punch a beehive. Who's gonna win there? Yeah, you'll probably kill some bees, but you're not gonna be very effective in the long run, just like if you tried punching a bird.

>>28675965
>Balance ice without touching water
>Touches ice
>Is also touching solid water
Literally impossible

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Ice should resist water. that's the only thing about the type chart that I would actually do, and only for the sake of logic, not really worried about the balance of it.

>>28675982
Birds don't even attack in groups like that.

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>>28674728
>Water Ice is a shit conductor

>>28676033
>for the sake of logic
If that were the case then water would be super effective against ice

>>28675288
And yet bug types are doing fine in the game because type coverage exists. Genesect is up in ubers, Heracross, Pinsir, and Volcarona are all usable. Being a bug type or having to use bug moves isn't a death sentence. Being a shitty Pokemon like Beautifly is.

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>>28676002

>>28676070
Bug types wouldn't be so bad if everyone and their mom learned Stealth Rock.

OH BOY LOSING 25%-50% OF MY HP ON SWITCHING IN

>>28676117
Just make every bug type part steel then :^)

>>28676117
Stop being a brat and play doubles if you don't want to deal with Stealth Rock.

>>28676117
Bug types aren't so bad though. GF shows what happens when a type that's percieved as inherently bad gets Pokemon with decent stats, they end up actually doing pretty well.

They introduced some great bugs in Gen 5 and they've been continuing to do great work on them since then.

They just never bothered doing that for ice types. We got derpcone and >bulky slow ice/rock dinosaur instead, starring Mega Glalie.

>>28675968
Bug moves are covered fine. They've got shit like Rage Powder, Sticky Web, U-Turn, Quiver Dance, X-Scissor, Bug Buzz and Megahorn. I'm not sure what else they'd really like.

>>28676160
Oh boy, weaknesses to Rock Slide and Heat Wave, just what the doctor ordered.

>>28676277
>spread moves are weakened in doubles
>pair a bug with a heatran and get not fully SE move with a buff to your heatran if they heat wave

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Yeah another Gardevoir Thread

>>28675539
>grass get waifus so idiots will stil use it
Lilligant and Leavanny are NU and PU, respectively. Also, Grass is mediocre offensively while Ice is great offensively.

>>28675624
And yet every Water type can learn Ice Beam. What a bunch of bull.

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>>28677060
What about Serperior?

>>28677116
Serperior isn't a waifu. And it's only good because of Contrary.

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>>28677198
>Serperior
>Not a waifu

>>28674530
>Bug: Immune to entry hazards:

>>28675624
fairy moves should be given to grass types like ice is to water