>Catch 'em, catch 'em >Gotta catch 'em all

>>28520848
UBs aren't pokemon.

Gotta catch em' all refers only to Pokemon. These are not Pokemon. They did not mean gotta catch every living being in existence including trees and humans.

>>28520848

>implying they're not catchable

/vp/ is delusional

>>28520870
[citation required]

>>28520870
>>28520877
They're still monsters in a game where catching all the monsters is a big thing. It's completely fair to be upset about this.

>why can't I catch something that isn't a Pokemon?

>>28520848
You don't know for sure yet

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>>28520894

"Pocket Monsters"

Not any Monster.

>>28520894

It's about catching all the POCKET monsters.

Pokemon are a single type of creature. Not every monster in the Pokemon universe is a Pokemon.

>>28520848
"Gotta catch 'em all" is a Western thing added by the animoo and the Yank marketing.

>>28520877
Also this.

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>>28520848
>quoting American marketing slogans as design philosophies

The Japanese phrase is "Everybody get Pokemon."

>>28520894
Unless the monsters in question being catchable wouldn't make sense in the game. Which it doesn't in this game.

>>28520929
>Randomly introducing "Not Pokemon" in the 20th anniversary game

Seems likely

>>28520894
Its about catching "Pokemon".

>>28520848
>Why can't I catch Professor Oak, the game claims I can catch ANYTHING so why the fuck not him?
They're not pokemon, anon. thats why you can't catch them. they just have interesting designs because it'd be boring as fuck to just fight against a human.

>tfw I've never actually cared about catching the legendary pokemon, or most pokemon I don't plan on actually using for battles
So I don't really get the big deal about not catching these guys, personally. In a story perspective, it would kind of undermine how threatening these "ULTRA BEASTS" are if you could just contain them easily.

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>>28520943
Game freak is full of surprises.

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just because you can catch the being that created the universe and everything contained in it, doesn't mean you can catch these particular creatures

>>28520943
>what is bringing something new ?
As drastic as it may be, it's still something original and I appreciate it.

>Implying 4Kids slogan have relevance

I'm taking a screenshot of every person who thinks that these Ultra Beasts aren't just a fancy name for Legendaries created by the Aether foundation gone horribly wrong. The lore and reasoning is found throughout the story like any other pokemon.
They are able to be caught.
Why is this up for dispute?
What monsters in Pokemon games have we come across that we haven't been able to capture?

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>>28520894
They're probably way more akin to humans.
You wouldn't want to catch a human now would you?

>>28520848
I'm betting we'll be able to catch them post-game.

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>>28520967

Palkia created parallels universes.

>>28520848
This is like complaining tou can't catch human characters or Pokestar enemies.

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>>28520981
Ghost Marrowak

>>28520981
GHOST

>>28520967
Strictly speaking, theres no game you can 'catch' arceus without cheating, as that one event never happened.

Everytime you get arceus in a later game he is given too you.

>>28520981
You do you, but don't start bitching like a baby when you find out you can't have your ripped mosquito.

>>28520977
Just coz it's new, doesn't mean it's BS in a series where every other monster is obtainable.

>>28520929
Tell me if this isn't arbitrary as fuck.

>>28521012

>he?

It. Arceus gender is unknown.

>>28520977
Exactly, everyone here claims the games are too easy so i don't see how potentially difficult boss monsters are a bad thing. It allows them to experiment with the system without breaking the meta-game.

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>>28520981
this spookyman

>>28520981
We've never been able to catch anything that's not a Pokemon. These are not Pokemon.

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>>28521026
>a female god

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>>28520993

How?

Pokéballs only capture Pokémon.

>>28521026
Sorry i meant she, any pokemon that can lay an egg must be a woman.

>being assblasted over GF not remembering an English marketing phrase for gen 1 toys

>>28521018
Again, this stupid slogan was something 4Kids made up so it's just as irrelevant as caring for not catching these things.

>>28521022

It's been long established that Pokemon are basically one species with a bunch of different subspecies.

>Catch 'em, catch 'em
>Gotta catch 'em all
>Except
>NPCs for arbitrary reasons
>Pokemon!

You can't catch team leaders or professors or gym leaders. They aren't Pokemon so they don't go into pokeballs. Same with UBs.

I think adding world bosses is way more interesting than just new flavor of the month legendaries. We have enough of those.

>>28521022
It's a game. Everything is arbitrary as fuck.
>Marrowak fainted
>This marrowak got killed
like wut

>>28521045
A new, special type of ball.

You act like GF can't make up anything excuse they want for these to be obtained.

You gotta catch 'em all. 'em sic is Pokemon. These aren't Pokemon. Nothing about the phrase "gotta catch 'em all" has been construed before this as "catch literally every existing thing".

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>>28521042

Deity is the correct term

>>28521061
Because pokemon don't hurt themselves seriously during battles, it's like boxe

>>28521053
It's still true that every other monster in the game is obtainable...except for these.

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>>28521063

They cannot be capture by any kind of Pokéball.

From Pokéball to Masterball.

>>28521058
>and this one is not part of it because uhhhh aliens
Arbitrary reason.

>UBs aren't catchable
>Megas were eliminated
some of my favorite memes

>>28521042
>>28521048
Don't reply to Richard.

>>28520894
It's ALWAYS tripfags

>>28521061
>>28521078
Somebody do an edit of that Indiana Jones gif of a Marowak spinning bones and a Rocket Member shooting her.

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>>28520848
GOTTA CATCH EM ALL

>>28521086
>There's that meme again

A new type of ball is what i said. Call it a UB Ball, a Beast Ball, or whatever pleases your autism.

>>28521048

We don't know Arceus gender.

That's why i say it.

According to the official website.

It's gender is unknown.

>>28521092
Do you believe it's arbitrary that people are not Pokemon?

>>28521063
Don't reply to the autist.
He's essentially the new Goodrafag.

>>28521061

Fainting is just a hyperbole. In actuality, the Pokemon is simply too exhaused to continue fighting. Pokemon never fight hard enough to risk serious injury. This is explained by NPCs in several of the games.

>>28521101
Those are just special effects, not actual monsters.

>>28521107
No, people are not monsters and don't fight pokemon.

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>>28521045
They'll use Magearna to create a special ball capable to catch anything

>>28520848
Imagine if Piccolo was in game, you wouldn't think you'd be able to catch him would you?
No shut up don't reply

>>28521108
I'm just hiding his comments. Holly shit he's insistent.

>>28521131
>thinking Magearna will have any relevance, just stop.

>>28521153
That's not how you use quotes

>>28521136
That is the stupidest reason I've heard in a while, thanks anon.

>>28521130
Yes they do. ever done pokestar studios? ever heard of the people in the games said to personally fight their pokemon? the one making an arbitrary distinction here is you anyway. the distinction "something should be a pokemon if it fights pokemon" is ridiculous. there is no logical correlation there. at least here there's implications of being from a different dimension or whatever bullshit which would imply that things in the pokemon world doesn't necessarily apply to them. there's no logical flow to "monsters that fight pokemon should be pokemon". it's not like fighting other pokemon has ever been what makes a pokemon a pokemon.

>>28520954
The same way we can't catch LEGENDARIES in other games that literally created the world, or even God himself right?

>>28521124
>>28521078

Yeah too exhausted even after getting blasted by guillotine, or horn drill, or perish song.

I'm not nitpicking these things they're fine. I'm just saying they're arbitrary attributes of a fun game.

Other arbitrary things include not being able to delete HM's in the field, the inability to catch/battle snorlax while its asleep on the bridge, or roaming legendaries escaping while they're asleep.

>>28520981
Don't try to argue with vp, of course we'll be able to catch them.

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>>28521106

>>28521178
I fucked up on the last part.

>>28520894
get cancer and die tripshitter

Is there anything inherently wrong about creating a species within the Pokemon Universe that is uncatchable and serve only as a "boss fight?" You can basically apply that to many other JRPGs.

Maybe beating a UB gives you access to an exclusive Z-Move like how beating Bahamut in Final Fantasy gives you its summon.

>>28521183
Rofl it's hilarious and somewhat comparable.

>>28521106
Richard, we don't need you here.

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>implying that every creature in the Pokemon universe is either a human or a Pokemon

We've had the Pokestar Studios props, and the final bosses of the past two Mystery Dungeons, these will be no different.

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>>28521026
>>28521067
>>28521086
>>28521106
STOP

>>28521212
>ultra beasts as summons

This is a lot more likely than them being catchable

>>28521184
>ever done pokestar studios?
Yes, the fight is simulated.
In case you don't know, when you watch a Godzilla movie the monsters actually two men in costumes pretending to fight, it's not really happening. Pokestar Studios follows the same logic.
>ever heard of the people in the games said to personally fight their pokemon?
No actually.
>it's not like fighting other pokemon has ever been what makes a pokemon a pokemon
>looks like Pokemon
>functions like Pokemon
not a Pokemon because uhmm aliens

>>28521232
>implying dark matter wasn't a weird looking legendary Pokemon revealed early
>implying you wont be able to catch him in gen 9

>>28521263
Mother fucker, you really are an autist.

>>28521232
People need to stoo using the Pokéstar studios props as examples. They're literally movie props, made with machine parts and/or special effects. They only make your argument weaker. Movie props in real life aren't real, right? You don't say we have xenomorphs or T. rex running around because of Alien or Jurassic Park. Not disagreeing with your argument, though. Just nitpicking.

>>28521232
> the final bosses of the past two Mystery Dungeons, these will be no different.
huh i had no idea. i've never played the mystery dungeon games

although i hear they are actually good

>>28521048
>I don't know what a simultaneous hermaphrodite is.

>>28521276
fuck off tripshit

>>28521246
>not a Pokemon because uhmm aliens

They're not Pokemon because they're specifically being called Ultra Beasts and have never been called Pokemon. They are also not listed under Pokemon on the official Pokemon site whereas legendary Pokemon are. It's very clear they're not Pokemon.

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>>28520848
>IMPOSSIBLE TO CATCH THEM ALL
>MODS BAN EVERYONE

>>28521237

Ok.

>>28521102
>UB ball
You mean...
like...
...
an Ultra Ball?

>>28521218
It's legit not even close to the same thing. Did you drop out of elementary school?

>>28521290
Don't bother arguing with him. Just hide his comments.

>>28521221

I know.

>>28521290
And GF would never try and hide a reveal like that. No company would!

>>28521290
>They're not Pokemon because they're specifically being called Ultra Beasts
It's almost like you're agreeing with me.
Their generic title is the only thing that differentiates them from Pokemon.
I'm not saying that they ARE Pokemon, but they might as well be.

>>28521246
Aliens who are very likely intelligent life forms on par with (or even above) humans, and capable of speech.
See >>28521136
The flawed strawman you're trying to push just doesn't hold.

>>28521092
We don't know what the requirements are for something to be considered a Pokemon, so you really have no way of determining what "should" be considered a Pokemon.

>>28521130
What is a monster, then? Anything that isn't human?

>>28521246
>it superficially resembles a Pokemon = it's a Pokemon
Very scientific, professor.

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>>28521199

>>28521330
Hide the reveal that they're Pokemon? What kind of reveal is that? So they're willing to let you know every other Pokemon is a Pokemon but they want to hide the fact that these Pokemon are Pokemon? Is that what you're saying. This is almost as stupid an argument as what the Gen 6.5 fags would cook up.

>>28520967
Theyre not from this universe.
You also cannot catch trees, rocks, or people.

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>>28521131

It's possible.

But It won't a Pokéball.

Pokéball is Pocket Monsters ball.

>>28521343
"Alakazam's brain continually grows, infinitely multiplying brain cells. This amazing brain gives this Pokémon an astoundingly high IQ of 5,000. It has a thorough memory of everything that has occurred in the world."

"Metagross has four brains that are joined by a complex neural network. As a result of integration, this Pokémon is smarter than a supercomputer."

>>28521335
>but they might as well be.

But they're not. Also given that they're probably actually Lillie and Lusamine they differentiate alot more from Pokemon than just their name.

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>>28520848
because they're NOT POKEMON.

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>>28520894
Don't respond to them, they'll get BTFO soon. Just save their posts in a screencap and remind them everyday of their stupidity. Same goes for Ballio/Roothootfags. Let them dig their own grave.

>>28521390
Yet they just live and roam on the wild like dumb animals.
Case in point.

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>>28521350

Pokédex and Pokéballs knows what Pokémon is and What's not a Pokémon.

>>28521390
None of those are extra dimensional entities, just saying.

>>28521417
So what?

>>28521425
>Mystery Dungeon examples in a discussion about the main series

Stop this meme.

>>28521330
Why would they introduce the concept of a new species separate from Pokemon, which is itself a twist on the formula, and then have another twist revealing that they actually are Pokemon? That would be stupid.

>>28521246
Why does it matter if the fight is simulated? these aren't cartoons. they're live action in the pokemon world. people keep saying this in response to the pokestar studios thing like there is any, again, logical correlation. it's not real so it doesn't work like that? why would they portray it like that as a live action feature if it wouldn't work like that if it WERE real?

chuck is said to personally fight his own pokemon and while i can't quote any other particular npc i'm 100% certain there are other examples as well.

we don't know anything about UB still. again, do you consider it an arbitrary distinction that people are not pokemon, and if you say "because you don't personally battle people with pokemon", is that not also your own arbitrary distinction, in fact even moreso as at least the games if these are not playable characters will have an in-game explanation. your extrapolation that things that battle pokemon and are monsters should be pokemon has absolutely no basis in anything as we've never had monsters that were not pokemon in previous games to base that off of, and the line of logic that that means every monster is a pokemon is totally fallacious.

>>28520894
Let's say that we had the capability of catching animals in orbs, right? And then some sort of Nth dimensional monster rips a hole in spacetime and shows up in London. Would you expect an Animorb to catch it?

>>28521414
sauce on that iimage

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>>28521445

>Disregarding evidence that Game Freak is totally fine with the idea of non-human, non-Pokemon entities existing in the Pokemon universe because it doesn't fit your headcanon.

>>28521330
I'm guessing it's sarcasm

GF wouldn't hide it

When have they ever successfully hidden something?
They always spoil the game

Said I'd quit pokemon if they ever made uncatchable monsters, don't have a choice now

>>28521350
>We don't know what the requirements are for something to be considered a Pokemon
We do, it's a monster that fits in a Pokeball and is capable of fighting.

>What is a monster, then? Anything that isn't human?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/monster

>it superficially resembles a Pokemon = it's a Pokemon
I don't remember saying "it's a Pokemon", ever.

>>28521372
Yes, because they're presented as villainous aliens at first and then you learn that they are Pokemon. Ta-dah, big reveal!

>>28521487
You couldn't catch Black/White Kyurem.

>>28521423
Yes yes, the Pokedex knows, and probably the people in-universe as well, but WE don't. At least, I don't believe it's been explained.

>rename monsters as beasts
>/vp/ falls over trying to cuck for it
Stockholm syndrome at its most pathetic.

>>28521467
Spike Chunsoft developed it under the watching gaze of TPC, not Game Freak.

This is like saying "Dark Mewtwo from Pokken will be in Gen 7!" Or "Shadow Pokemon are coming back!"

Stop.

>>28521492
>this much straw grasping
>muh headcanon.

>>28521475
Kalos having no post-game was pretty well hidden.

>>28521304
>piccolo
>smart alien
>UBs
>smart aliens (probably)

>>28521405
>But they're not
I know.
>Also given that they're probably actually Lillie and Lusamine they differentiate alot more from Pokemon than just their name
There's no place for this type of speculation in this discussion, and even if they were, Ditto is also capable of transforming into something that is not a Pokemon.

>>28521460
I never said it didn't make sense, I just said I was upset that I very likely wouldn't be able to catch them. I think everyone who's been replying to me has been misconstruing what I meant.

>>28521380
>trees, rocks, or people
>Trevenant
>Geodude
And according to the Canalave library, pokemon were once considered people. So technically, they are people.

>>28521383
>Pokéball is Pocket Monsters ball.
>implying a human-made capsule-like device that captures living creatures has strict rules about what it can or can't capture
It's only called a "Pocket Monsters" ball because humans named it like that, dumbass.

>>28521510
>Grasping at straws is assuming monsters in a monster catching franchise will be obtainable
>Not thinking they won't be is.

>>28521492
Deoxys is also an alien but he was always called a Pokemon. If that's what you think is going to happen fine but it's just your headcanon. From what we know from the information given, they are not Pokemon.

>>28521454
Godzilla is also live action.

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>>28521501

The Pokédex knows everything about Pokémon.

The Pokédex was created to be a Guide on all of the Pokémon.

>>28521460
Well you can catch viruses from space in those orbs, so it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch.

>>28521536
>this much fucking reaching
You're a lost cause.

>>28521543
Yes, and? That doesn't have anything to do with the argument presented. Godzilla isn't real but movies are made imagining how this giant monster would affect the real world if it were. That's the point.

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>>28521536

You are the dumbass here.

You think Ultra Beast are Pokémon.

>>28521464
just search slimes on sadpanda senpai

Do you all think Ultra Beasts will have a type?

>>28521551
Technically a virus from space is still inside "your universe." They were talking about a creature that ripped open the fabric of space and came in from some sort of alternate plane of existence.

The UBs are puny aliens that were granted superpowers to capture Kahunas for the Space Battle Frontier run by Dimension1 Cyrus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78GiehoqhrQ

>>28521616
Giratina is also from an alternate plane, you can catch that.

>>28521574
If a monster like Godzilla existed in the real world he would just die, crushed by its own weight.
Movies represent things that could never happen in real life, this is why we use "suspension of disbelief".
In the real (in-game) world a man could never fight a Pokemon, it can only happen in the movie because it's simulated.

>>28521551
Deoxys is not from an entirely different universe.

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>>28521612

No.

>>28520848
Notched ear Pichu is a worse case. These at least arent pokemon.

>>28521638
Except that Giratina was specifically classified as a "Pokemon" and was created by Arceus.

>>28521638
Giratina was created IN the canon universe by Arceus. The Distortion World is only a pocket dimension that was made for Giratina only. So no he's not from a different universe.

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>>28521551

"DNA Mutation"

>>28521276
That's missing the point being made.
The Pokestar studio props show that there are things that people in the Pokemon universe consider to be straight up monsters and not Pokemon waiting to be tamed or reasoned with.
And now they're having their equivalent of an actual inter-dimensional invasion occurring.

Just because we formulated our own idea of extraterrestrial life in fiction doesn't mean that extraterrestrial life is suddenly an impossibility.

>>28521488
Pokemon themselves do not fit the definition of "monster" as presented in that link. Many of them are small and non-threatening, do not inspire terror or disgust, and are not creatures of myth.

>>28520848
How do you know you can't catch them?

>>28521641
I said people imagining that it did so i don't know what you're talkingm about why you brought up suspension of disbelief like it's an argument against what im saying. even this post implies that people don't fight pokemon or whatever because they'd get their ass beat but hypothetically could, as you imply with the godzilla being crushed if it were real. the suspension of disbelief thing has nothing to do with what my post is saying

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This is a confusing feeling I'm having. On the one hand, I'm going to laugh so fucking hard when all the butthurt denialfags realize that, no, we will not be able to catch Ultra Beasts. Harvesting that salt as they whine and kick their feet and complain that they can't "catch 'em all" will be too good for words.

But on the other hand, I'm sad that I'll never be able to train Buffskeeter.

>>28521701
"An imaginary or legendary creature, such as a centaur or Harpy, that combines parts from various animal or human forms."

>>28521660
>Except that Giratina was specifically classified as a "Pokemon"

Arbitrarily, by the game's developers. There's no reason it couldn't be retconned into an Ultra Beast in Gen VII if the devs really wanted it to.

>>28521713
Hello new reaction image.

>>28521683
Ah, I see now. In that case I agree.

>>28521713

Capture all of the "Pocket Monsters".

>>28521488
>>We don't know what the requirements are for something to be considered a Pokemon
>We do, it's a monster that fits in a Pokeball and is capable of fighting.
Who says? You? Can you show me where in any kind of official format that defines that as what a pokemon is?

>>28521736
You just blatantly ignored the "created by arceus" part.

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>>28521736

>>28521736
The reason not to would be that it has been previously presented as a Pokemon and not an Ultra Beast.

>>28521759
The etymology of their name.
In "Pocket Monsters" the "pocket" part refers to the fact that they fit in Pokeballs, the "monster" part refers to the fact that they're weird imaginary creatures.

>>28521545
I already said I agree, dummy.

>>28521059
You a good.

>>28521806
That doesn't make any sense. That's some circular ass logic if I've ever seen it. We know Pokemon existed before Pokeballs were even a thing.

>>28521812

You are the dummy here.

autism: the thread

>>28521841
Why are they called "Pocket Monsters"?

>>28521841
And they were called magical beasts then

>>28521736

The Distortion World isn't only parallel universe.

Bewear OP, your autism is showing.

>>28521876
Because that's what the people who made this video game world decided to call them. But the logic that what makes a Pokemon a monster that can be caught in a ball doesn't make sense because Pokemon existed before the balls did. Ignoring whether or not they were actually called Pokemon back then (pretty sure they were but I don't know any specific text to refer back to), it makes no sense to name the monsters after the balls logically, if you want to apply real world logic to a children's video game where just the question of what makes a pokemon has been unanswered because it simply doesn't matter much less why pocket monsters would be called that before they could be monsters in your pocket.

>>28521886
>>28521841

Sorry magical creatures

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokemon_(species)#History

>>28521886
Prove it

>>28521946
>Because that's what the people who made this video game world decided to call them
I wonder why...

>>28521974
See post above

They're Pokemon. The Alola professor is just trying to get recognition by telling everyone they aren't.

>>28522012
i'm a chinese playtester, can confirm

>>28520848
>can catch gods who can create other universes
>can't catch things from those universes

>>28522012

No.

>>28521723
Why would Pokemon be considered monsters in-universe under that definition if they are real beings, not imaginary?

Even considering them as fictional characters I would say that's still a stretch. They do not generally combine animal attributes in the way that centaurs and harpies and such do.

>>28521844
How am I the dummy? Where are we in disagreement?

>>28521383
Not to play devil's advocate, but they're called Monster Ball in Japanese

>>28522057
Why are you assuming that I'm talking about in-universe stuff?

>>28520848
Why are people only assblasted over things like this now?

The biggest offender is right here

>>28522007
Then wouldn't monsters you can't catch in balls not be pokemon if the only aspect that makes a pokemon a pokemon a monster you can catch in a ball?

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>>28522053

They are call " deities.

>>28520894
I don't get why everyone doesn't understand what you're saying

>>28522057
>Even considering them as fictional characters I would say that's still a stretch
True, I'm tired of people saying that Pokemon are not real.

>>28522057

Never that mind.

>>28522090
Ok the thing that created the universe and the things that made multiple universes

>>28520890
It's [citation needed], and here you go.

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-au/ultra-beasts/

"Ultra Beasts possess mighty powers and could pose a threat to humans and Pokémon, so they are feared."

Notice how it says humans and Pokemon. Notice how there is an Ultra Beasts page distinct from the Pokemon page.

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-au/pokemon/

>>28520981
Pokestar studios.
Ghosts.
Other trainer's pokemon.
Humans.

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>>28522080
Fuck me

>>28522144
That doesn't say that they aren't catchall, though.

has it been confirmed anywhere that they are or aren't catchable? Where the fuck does this headcanon even come from.

>>28522144
>believing nonsense from the region with no Pokemon League

I bet they don't even have running water in Alola. The place is that backwards.

>>28522140

You can call them, deities.

Just don't call them, gods.

Gods = male deities.

We don't know their genders.

>>28522157
>Pokestar studios
not monsters
>Ghosts
they're actually obtainable pokemon
>Other trainer's pokemon
there's not a single pokemon that is exclusive to a trainer, if someone has it, you can have one too
>Humans
not monsters

>>28520984
>You wouldn't want to catch a human now would you?
are you fucking gay?

Is this really that big of a deal? What I want to know is how the inevitable fight against them is going to go.

>>28522179
It's assumed they can't be caught because they're not Pokemon.

>>28522222
nice quints

>>28522220
Go back to school and learn how to use punctuation.

>>28522100
because it makes no sense. the game is about catching pokemon. not about catching any monster ever. it's like the OP complaint. "gotta catch 'em all" has never previously and was 100% definitely never meant to be interpreted as "Gotta catch every creature ever". When they made the phrase the "them" in the phrase is "Pocket monsters". It's liking saying that a little figure blind bag type thing says "collect them all!" means "gotta collect all the little blindbag trinkets ever made!". there's no logical reason to think it means that unless you're being intentionally obtsuse to find something to complain about which im pretty sure never actually happens.

>>28521448
But they're not actually Pokemon, in the 'Ultra Beast' form. Clearly there will be some kind of transformation or something and they'll turn into Pokemon during the game.

>>28522240
Yes, I want them.

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>>28522247

>>28522169
This will always annoy me

They could have at least made it a useless shitmon that has special side quest to turn into other forms

>>28522222
WASTED

>>28522222
>>Humans
>not monsters
ha
ha
ha

>>28522222
quints makes it true

/thread

>>28521018
This, i enjoyed obtaining Pokestar props, Ghost Marowak and B/W Kyurem.

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>>28522283
All monsters are to be sliced...

>>28522263
They've never had a real world monster or form that you couldn't obtain. It's dumb in a series that keeps the minute gender forms from DP in tact still, plus all the items/move tutors/locations required for certain forms and evolutions.

>>28522222
ghost marowak says hi

>>28522288
>>28522313
Pokestar proprs are not monsters, Ghost Marowak is pretty much identical to every other Marowak and they can be obtained, just like every form of Kyurem.

>>28522309
No, they've never had a real world pocket monster you couldn't obtain. These presumably may not be pocket monsters.

>>28522222
quints confirm
how will denialfags ever recover?

>>28521130
Love these kind of posts. So what if they're just special effects? Why aren't they catchable?
If you consider the Ultra "not Pokemon" Beasts as Pokemon, i can consider the Movie "not Pokemon" Props as Pokemon just as well, maybe even more considering they had typing, stats, abilities and moves.

>>28522222
>winrar

>>28522100
It's been addressed.
Catching was just the western spin advertisement.
You couldn't even "catch" all the Pokemon in just a single version of Red/Blue, since you'd need to obtain the other's version exclusive through trading.
You can't catch other NPC's Pokemon in the main games for some arbitrary reason either, outside of the spin-off titles.

>>28522321
It was still necessary to defeat ghost Marowak which was uncapturable. Ghost Marowak was the prototype for Ultra Beasts.

>>28522321
>Pokestar proprs are not monsters,
>implying

>>28522337
>If you consider the Ultra "not Pokemon" Beasts as Pokemon
I don't.

Humans ARE monsters
why can't we catch and use humans?
checkmate atheists

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>>28520894
If Pokémon is about catching EVERY monster, why don't you ever catch Ghetsis?

>>28522078
Well, that's what I was talking about.

>>28521130 introduced the idea that something has to be a monster in order to be a Pokemon, which raised the question in my mind "What do people in-universe consider to be a monster that makes them call Pokemon 'Pocket Monsters'?"

#NotAllMonsters

>>28522375
rofl

pokemon slavery edition

>>28522348
It doesn't matter because you can obtain another Marowak with the exact same stats, moves et al.
I wouldn't mind if the UB02 of the story would be impossible to catch, but it was possible to obtain a copy later on.

>>28522393
LOL!
upvoted

>>28522381
I'd have used Ghetsis on my team if they'd let me desu.

>>28522382
>something has to be a monster in order to be a Pokemon
From the player's perspective.

>>28522334
So it's dumb to introduce into a series 20 years in.

>Hey kids, like this design? Well stiff titties coz this one of 3 (or more) we decided you can't have

Not gonna happen.

>>28522222
>Ghosts
they're actually obtainable pokemon
Then why can't you catch Cubone's ghost mom? There's your example. Argument over.

And humans are monsters according to your logic. Pokemon and humans used to be the same thing.
Also, you can't catch Kyurem's original form nor can you catch Genesect's original form. And you can't "catch" Jirachi. You can only obtain one through distribution.

And whoever said that the Ultra Beasts are monsters? Or is this John Gamefreak I'm talking to? They are a "mysterious presence".

>>28522421
Form the player's perspective the only thing that makes a Pokemon is what gamefreak has created and put into a pokemon game as a playable character.

>>28522179
It comes from the official Pokemon website.
http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/ultra-beasts/
Or is that too headcanon for you?

>>28520967
Friendly reminder that Arceus, the thing you can have in a Pokéball, is an avatar and not the god itself.

Where are the 1000 arms? The god has it, Arceus not. Also, that's why an omnipotent being can be defeated by a Magikarp

>>28522426
Pretty sure a kid can like a design and not feel like they have to slit their wrists because they can't use it.

The worst thing about people who argue that uncatchable monsters simply can't exist in the pokémon universe is how butthurt they'll get once they play the games and realize they were wrong all along.

Get ready for hundreds of threads saying SM was the blunder of the century and ruined pokémon simply because you couldn't catch half a dozen aliens.

>>28522442
Exactly, and my point is that not having UBs as playable characters is bullshit.

Not reading this whole thread but since I'm sure they've been mentioned I'll just say pokestar enemies are just reskins of existing pokemon.

>can't catch humans
>can't catch berry trees
>can't catch ultra beasts
Fucking GF why can't i catch em all?

>>28522458

Arceus Isn't based off omnipotent creator deity.

Arceus Isn't even omnipotent

>all this going on and on about cubones fucking mom
>only appeared if the very first game and then never again, sans remake
Retards.

>>28522433
>Pokemon and humans used to be the same thing

what if ubs were just human-pokemon hybrids before they split?

>>28522470
>Reskins of Pokemon you can't catch

Those bastards.

>>28520936
>The Japanese phrase is "Everybody get Pokemon."
The nips are taking jewery to a whole new level.

>>28522465
By whose logic? Why does every character that isn't a human have to be a pokemon?

>>28522460
And pretty sure GF aren't going to suddenly introduce 3? 4? 5? or more monster designs that appear in the story/battles that kids can't catch for the first time in 20 years.

>>28522489
Could be

>>28522472
Such a disingenuous argument.

>>28522313
>because it happened in gen 1, it means it's not out of the question, even if it was a bad idea!
in gen 1 toxic and leech seed used the same damage variable. I don't see GF bringing that back. though who knows, with all this genwun pandering

>>28522510
Why? What reason do you have to believe this? Because they haven't done it for 20 years isn't a reason by the way.

>>28520848
>>28520894
Those aren't pocket monsters! Those are transdimensional monsters! They're tradimons!

>>28522495
Come on man.
Haven't you wanted to play as a microbe Pokemon trainer?

>>28522433
>Then why can't you catch Cubone's ghost mom?
Because you can obtain an identical Marowak in different ways.

>And humans are monsters according to your logic. Pokemon and humans used to be the same thing
>used to

>Also, you can't catch Kyurem's original form nor can you catch Genesect's original form. And you can't "catch" Jirachi
>You can only obtain one through distribution
Exactly. No problem here.
I don't care if UBs can be obtained via events or normal catching, the problem is that it's likely that it will be impossible to obtain them at all.

>>28520848
>>28520870
>>28520894
They're Pokemon.

They're captureable.

Anyone saying different either has autism, or are shitposting.

Maybe even a bit of both

>catch space virus mutated creature
>creators of the universe
>controller of time
>Comouter programmed Pokemon
>literal dead people

>not things from another demension

>>28522543
No

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>>28522562
Literally eldritch horrors who come from a place our rules don't apply

>>28522495
Because it adds variety and doesn't let those good designs go to waste.

>>28522313
It's not like you couldn't obtain the Marowak

>not wanting to catch them all
Uhh MOOOOOODS?

>>28522533
The fact that every designed non-human creature, not movie prop, has been obtainable for the player to use.

>>28522587
Are you implying that every design that's ever existed that's not a Pokemon is a waste because I can not use it in battle? Because that would be ridiculous if it was.

>>28520848

>Can't catch 'em all

The mods should ban all the Sun/Moon threads

>>28522588
*a

Same with Kyreum and probably Totems

>>28521460
if we've already caught (n-1)th dimension animals/gods/deities like giratina, dialga, palkia, deoxys, arceus, then yeah, I would expect the animorb to work.

Unrelated, but Absorption is nowhere near as cool of a name as Expansion. I guess it fits because hes a big mosquito with blood pumping through him, but eh.

>>28522598
>Because they haven't done it for 20 years isn't a reason by the way.

>>28522426
As a kid I would have loved UBs and wouldn't have wanted to catch them, because them being this foreign, unallied power is what makes them cool in the first place. I want my villains to stay villains, I don't want to make friends with them after I defeat them. It would destroy their mystique.

>>28522510
Why? Because it would be unprecedented? Pretty sure that's the point, mate. That's what makes the UBs interesting, that they're something new.

>>28522529
UB are essentially the equivalents of humans from another dimension, if i can catch them, why not regular humans?

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>>28522537
Tardismons???

>>28520995
Dimension =/= universe

>>28522169
Puni-chan is one of my favorite pokemon, so I'm pissed you can't battle with one. Got plushies of it and everything, just such a cute and simple design

>>28522608
No, this is a different case.
UBs are clearly intended to function as Pokemon, they fight and use moves.
By being catchable their fighting potential and design would be preserved in future games, the variety they would add to the teambuilding and gameplay would always be there.
Since they (probably) decided to make them impossible to catch for arbitrary reasons, the variety and fun they could potentially add to the game will simply disappear in the next title, unless they become a staple.

>>28521083
>GHOST
>Pokestar Studio props
>Blackbelt dude

>>28522634
And you've got 0 evidence they're not obtainable except retarded head canon.

>>28522640
>much head canon

There is no evidence that this is even close to being true.

>>28522655
>getting this technical about the science of pokemon
>ignoring the plethora scientifically impossible things that already exist in the series. Autists, UBs will be catchable, they are monsters in a monster collecting game. The extradimensional bullshit is just tacked on lore like space is to dialga and time is to palkia.

You guys are kinda dense, these characters are either developed antagonists that you will fight through out the story or you can capture them at some point. They are monsters out of an another dimension, all the profs. need to do is get behind the sciene of them(if its even needed) to capture those monster and make them pocket monsters. You could capture a fucking god for arceus' sake. Also logically it was hinted that there would be more of them, wherever they came from, so who knows how much will get revealed about them later on.

>>28522636
>As a kid I would have loved UBs and wouldn't have wanted to catch them, because them being this foreign, unallied power is what makes them cool in the first place. I want my villains to stay villains, I don't want to make friends with them after I defeat them. It would destroy their mystique.
This is bullshit but the fact is kids don't care what makes a Pokemon a Pokemon. If they understand the game then they'll know it's not a Pokemon if it isn't because the game will tell them and they have no reason to believe otherwise, especially since they presumably won't have the years of previous games as "evidence" that they've never done it. A kid isn't looking at it like "they're monsters so I should be able to catch them". To them they catch Pokemon, not "monsters" in a general sense. They're not going to think they got ripped off like people are (pretending?) like they will here.

>>28522634
It's a little different when it's the trademark of the series

>>28522685
Already debunked multiple times

>>28522685
GHOST is just a marowak
Pokestar Studio Props are just that, fake props. Not living things, dunno what you mean by black belt dude

>>28522587
Creating cool designs specifically for villains/boss battles is not a waste. Having something unique to the singleplayer campaign is a kind of variety as well.

Okay guys, we all know pokemon and humans were one and the same before, right? What if after you defeat them, ultrabeasts separate into two entities, human ans pokemon, and you can get the pokemon?

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If anyone needs any proof that this entire thread is bait.
right here:
>>28521136
>>28521183
Hide, and move on.

>>28522684
To exist in a pokemon game as an enemy you can fight, they HAVE to have moves and stats and types. That's why Pokestar studios props did, because that's how the game engine works. It isn't "arbitrary".

>>28520894
Shut up TopKec.

>>28522714
the trademark of the series is what?

>>28522726
>If random series' character was in game, he wouldn't be a Pokemon
>That's dumb
>Hurr durr, this is bait??

>>28522722
>Creating cool designs specifically for villains/boss battles is not a waste
Not making them playable is the waste.
>Having something unique to the singleplayer campaign is a kind of variety as well
>Having less options for your team makes the game more varied than having more options

>>28522717
Being just fake props doesn't excuse them not being catchable.

>>28520894
This is literally the same as complaining about NPC's not being catchable.

>wah-wah, why isn't my lass catchable?

Or even more aptly, this is like complaining about not being able to catch Brycen Man or Black Door.

>>28522717
>okestar Studio Props are just that, fake props. Not living things
People keep SAYING THIS like it is evidence or explanation of anything. WHY does it matter that they are only props and not real?

>>28522743
Making them unobtainable because "aliens" is arbitrary.

>>28522770
>literally

There's that word again.

>>28522686
>>28522686
>There is no evidence that this is even close to being true
Okay, how about this

>you can only catch pokemon
AND
>UB arent pokemon
THEREFORE
>you cant catch UB

I don't see anything wrong with this argument.

>>28522766
>>28522783
You can't actually be this stupid.

>>28522707
We don't seem to be in disagreement, why is what I said bullshit? I'm pretty sure I know what my own tastes were as a child.

Masuda told me you can catch Ultra Beasts with Ultra Balls

>>28522724
this would actually be an alright idea.

what if the pokemon fused with the trainers (the three that looked like them) and this made the ubs. the only way to free them would be to beat the ub, because poke balls don't work on humans.

the pokemon counterparts better not be broken as hell

>>28522770
Lass NPCs, Brycenman and Black Door aren't monsters.

>>28522783
Anon, because you can't keep Godzilla as a pet.

>>28522793
humans being unobtainable because "humans" is arbitrary. there's no reason gameplay wise that you shouldn't be able to catch and use humans in battle.

>>28522800
>UB aren't pokemon

That's what's wrong with your idiotic argument. They are Pokemon.

>>28522766
But you can catch them, just not this specific instance like you can't catch other people's pokemon. They're just reskins of existing pokemon.

>>28522820
>what is tyranitar

>>28520894
tripfags are cancer. what else is new? literally kill yourself

>>28522821
Humans aren't capable of fighting Pokemon, they would add nothing to the gameplay.

>>28522834
Not a movie prop.

>>28522805
>can't come up with an argument
>WOW YOU'RE SO DUMB MAN I SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS DUMB

>>28522549
source bro?

>>28522834
99 meters shorter

>>28522838
Chuck fights his Pokemon, and even besides that so what? what reason do they have for people not being able to fight pokemon? people in real life can't fight an animal one on one.

>>28522824
>not in the pokemon category in the pokemon official site
Not a pokemon.

>>28522470
Oh yeah? Tell me more about our Dark/Psychic type with 100 in each stat with Levitate and access to U-Turn, Psychic, Ice Beam, and Night Shade.

Is there any proof that ultra beasts are or aren't pokémon?
No.
Wait until 20 september to learn more, fags.

>>28522871
>what reason do they have for people not being able to fight pokemon?
They're too weak compared to them.

>>28522838
And Hoppip can't feasibly fight a Gyarados, but that doesn't stop it from happening anyways.

>>28522878
There IS proof they are not Pokemon. There isn't proof of whether they are catchable or not.

>>28522901
Hoppip can beat Gyarados.

>>28522898
Are you telling me a human couldn't beat the shit out of a Magikarp?

>>28522898
but they made this world. they could have they wanted to. and if people used weapons they could. even without guns pokemon world has swords and shields and that kind of stuff. armed people could beat pokemon just liked an armed human could beat an animal in real life even if they're too weak without it.

>>28522816
Not all monsters are Pokemon.

Nor is monster a good descriptor. What classifies as being a monster? It's a meaningless word in this context.

Pokeballs were designed to catch Pokemon. These aren't Pokemon. Case fucking closed.

>>28522878

There's more evidence that they aren't Pokemon than there is evidence that they are (which is to say, there is no evidence for the latter whatsoever).

>>28522842
He doesn't need an argument when you're this retarded.

We're discussing UBs who are sentient beings and that you can fight.

So we need to look at precedent creatures who are sentient beings and that you can fight, of all the precedents all are obtainable.

You lost your argument and you're dumb.

>>28522915
I bet a could get Ghetsis to beat a Gyarados too if they let me catch him.

>>28522928
Armed people can kill Pokemon, and that's not what you aim to do in a Pokemon battle.

>>28522907
Just because they are out of the pokémon category.

>>28522947
You don't refute arguments by saying how retarded the other person. That isn't how that works despite how the internet works. Pokemon didn't set a "precedent" for anything other than Pokemon.

>>28522937
>Dex-entry style lore
>Version exclusives
>Non-human living creature
>Fighting Pokemon
>UB-01, at least, has a cry

>>28522970
Are you implying an armed person couldn't make a Pokemon faint insomuch as much as a hyper beam or flamethrower can?

>>28522829
So where's my Dark/Ghost, Wonderguard, Mew stats Pokemon?

>>28522878
>Is there any proof that ultra beasts are or aren't pokémon?
UB01 and 02 arent in the pokemon category, despite already being revealed.

>>28523018
How do you shoot/stab something without causing a mortal wound?
Flamethrower and Hyper Beam are magical techniques, bullets and blades are not.

>>28523036
Probably just to drum up speculation and arguments and hype.
it's working

alternatively, to really focus on the lore apects of them, basically showcasing the story of the games, instead of the focus being on the mechanics of the beasts.

they will still be catchable

>>28523044
>How do you shoot/stab something without causing a mortal wound?
Is this a real question?
>Flamethrower and Hyper Beam are magical techniques, bullets and blades are not.
Calling them magical doesn't make them non-lethal. The only reason they aren't is because killing things is not what pokemon is about.

>>28522995
Pokemon is a non-argument here.

Even if they aren't pokemon they're both sentient creatures that you can fight.

Yes, when you discuss the likeness of something happening in a series with multiple games you look at the precedents of said games.

UBs are creatures and monsters just like pokemon, they're sentient beings who you can fight, just like pokemon.

Again, we need to look at precedent creatures who are sentient beings and that you can fight, of all the precedents all are obtainable.

I needed to repeat the same argument twice because you happened to gloss over it opting instead to bitch about getting called a retard like a little girl.

>>28523044
Gallade and Bisharp, off the top of my head, cut things with literal blades.

>>28523093
>Calling them magical doesn't make them non-lethal
It really does.
There's no proof that a pokemon attack ever killed another pokemon.

>>28523118
With magical Pokemon blades*

>>28523115
muh patterns

>>28523115
The precedent is that all Pokemon are obtainable. The game isn't about catching "sentient creatures that you can fight". It's about catching Pokemon. Saying it's non argument doesn't make it a non-argument.