Ken Sugimori is a fucking retard Simplified doesn't mean

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>>28473589
>it's a 'let's get overly pissy for no good reason about a Pokemon' episode

Today is full of reruns, it seems.

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>>28473589
>Being the artist for the franchise's seventeen-year run, and illustrating so many Pokemon, Sugimori's opinion is quite an important one.
>Score one for the genwunners.


THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS

>>28473589
Gen 5 onwards pokemon have been getting fairly less busy designs. It's already become a trend and anyone who notices now is kind of an idiot.

>>28473589
>sugimori designed that thing
i doubt it, not many pokemon this gen look like his stuff

>>28473655
You framed it in the most dishonest way possible

Wouldn't it make sense that a lot of the pokemon provoke such a response, that means that the roster is overall shit?

>>28473771
When they get pissed off at completely arbitrary factors, it means that /vp/ is full of retards who have the emotional maturity of a 4 year old.

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>>28473834
>the pokemon designs are arbitrary in pokemon

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>>28473771
>Wouldn't it make sense that a lot of the pokemon provoke such a response, that means that the roster is overall shit?
But Anon, here's the thing. Just because you and a vocal minority are bitchy little babies about the new Pokemon, it doesn't mean that the roster is bad.

It just means that you have different tastes, and the exaggerated, cartoony style of these fictional monsters is not to your interests. There's nothing wrong with the Pokemon themselves. It's all on you.

>>28473589
Moonruff isn't simplified you retard, Dayruff is.

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He's right though. Gen I pokemon are as simple as it gets, save some exceptions. Look at pic related, for example, and compare it to something like Salandit or Rockruff or whatever. We don't get as many simple designs nowadays compared to back in the day.

>>28474094
Salandit and Rockruff are simple designs.

They're not Turtonator or Bruxish.

>>28473962
The pokemon fanbase has gone to shit

What happened to the ol' 2007 days?

>>28473589

Sugimori isnt in charge of art anymore, Ohmura(or Ohmori?) is

>>28474094
And slow poke is such an awesome design. Easy to draw, has such an awesome personality just from the face alone

>>28474094
The thing about Gen I Pokemon is that they're a product of their time. A product of technological imitations and the inability to really make many of them all that complex.

With the advancement of technology, they've been able to create more interesting designs and possibilities. Even a lot of the more simpler designs can be considered more complex than Gen I Pokemon.

We have the capability to get more creative, so there's no reason to put needless limits.

>>28473589
He said he wanted to simplified them and it shows. Most of Gen 7 is cute mons or Pokemon with not much detail.

>>28474094
you took the worse axamples possible

>>28473589
Sugimori didnt even design pikachu

>>28473713
>less busy designs
Are you sure?

>>28474187
Fuck Ohmori

>>28474094
Slowpoke being a great design, I'm confident if it was released in this gen /vp/ would argue about what it's based off and call it lazy. There is no way to win in this pokedesign purgatory.

>>28473589
For some reason, the two forms reminded me of the leads from this forgotten gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5o0KaXDlzY

>>28473589

If you actually read the full interview he's talking about how there are too many moves and items which do the same thing and he wants to cut the bloat.

>>28473589
I'd usually try to backup Sugi, but after he turned Goomy into Goodra I just don't feel like it anymore.

>>28474204
t. Undergraduate student

>>28474282
Outside of legendaries and megas? sure. You can compare general gen 4 mons and evos with later designs and see how they have been getting toned down. Gen 6 pokemon can almost look fine next to gen 2 pokemon for instance.

holy shit oh no oh my god, technology has been getting better therefore pokemon can be shown to be more in depth and full of color and life instead of two base colors in order to make the pixel art for my shitty pixel game to actually look okay ahhh holy shit

>>28473771
Either that or /vp/ is retarded.
Jee I wonder which one it is.

>>28473771

No, it means you all are a bunch of babies.

>>28474362
>implying most people don't have baccalaureate degrees

>>28473589
See I don't understand why people think Pokemon are still overdesigned. Gen 7 has been really simple in it's designs so far, even Type: Null isn't that over the top for what it's suppose to be based on.

>>28474441
Not that anon but we're in a theoretically over 18 board whom average age is 16, so I highly doubt it.

>>28474261
sugimori didn't even design charizard

>>28474473
Because gen 4 has skewered their perceptions and they won't let go? Even the example in OP is "i-i-if it was g-g-gen 4!". The fact that the most exposed pokemon in promotional material tend to be the legendaries (which are probably designed to be flashy and messy on purpose) probably doesn't help.

>>28474533
Sugimori did't even design eevee

When you've got 800 different pokemon you almost have to make the designs more complicated. There's really only so many simple designs you can make before they start to look really similar.

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What's the most "complicated" design in gen I?

I'd say Magmar.

>weird forearms
>claws
>tail on fire
>flame drawings on its belly
>flames in its head
>duck beak

This hideous thing could easily fit in the Unova dex.

>>28474750
Please take your shit opinions elsewhere

>>28474653
This honestly.

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>>28473589
>Sugimori says he'll make simpler pokemon in Gen 7
>Starter evos, Drampa and Vikavolt happen

>>28474913
Vikavolt is god-tier tho

>>28474750
It's more like the entire unova dex, sans-legends, could fit in gen I.

>>28474969
It's overdesigned, overly sharp/angular and ruined Grubbin

>>28474913
So he did what he said. What's wrong with that?

>>28474204

I'm pretty sure that Sugimori just liked simpler designs.

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>>28475028
>Unova
This look simple to you?
The design is all over the place and so is the theme.

>>28474297
>/vp/ would argue about what it's based off and call it lazy

Hate this new trend of needed an "ebin concept" for each pokemon
Not every pokemon needs to be based on human related stuff for the sake of "creativity" ffs

Just look at Gen 6 and Gen 7 final starter evos.
Only Chesnaught (1 out of 6) isnt based on human stuff.
Meanwhile, Gen 1 and 2 only had Blastoise (1 out of 6) based on human related stuff
Sums it up very well

>>28475405
It's a samurai otter, It's one of the more focused starters with few details outside of the ones with a clear function. And you can place it next to blastoise, charizard or even venusaur and it doesn't look any more complex than any of them.

>>28475410
Chesnaught is supposed to be a knight, he even has those little banner things on his neck.

>>28475486
Well, they totally jumped the shark then

>>28475447

It's just the random samurai armor it has.

Samurai armor
Samurai otter

I think gen 5 had pretty good designs, but this really is an over deign. Not that it's a bad thing.

>>28473589
if you had to draw every Pokemon, you'd be pissy too.

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>>28475537
What? Samurott is plain as fuck. Empoleon is the most complex water starter, followed by greninja, then blastoise, then swampert and samurott with feraligatr as the simplest.

>>28473589
>Says the one who designed Lucario, an overdesigned mess
I can't handle so much irony.

>>28475738
Go back to masturbating to worms, Bogleech

>>28475698


I gotta say, blastoise is literally just a turtle wit cannons.

Empoleon might be the worst offender of over design though.

>>28475537
If it's not a bad thing, then it isn't "over" designed, now is it?

>>28475698
I will have to agree that Empoleon is a hot mess and really just the worst looking water starter.... But right after it is Samurott. The ugly 'padding' on the arms and legs, silly looking tail, pointless helmet, derpy swords... and just awful looking anatomy in general.
Have you ever seen it stand? It looks terrible.

>>28475910
>It looks bad/ugly means it's overdetailed
Anon, pls. Do you even know what you're arguing here? It's really not any more busy than the other water starters and due to this lack of extraneous details it would not look out of place in older lineups.

>>28476045
It is over detailed on an ugly mess like Samurott. If it had a better design than sure it would be okay.

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>>28475410
>Alazakam line
>Machamp line
>Magneton line
>Hypno
>Mr. Mime
>Jynx
>Slowking
>Tyrogue, Hitmonlee/chan/top

Anon...

>>28476200
Feraligatr and Swampert actually have more extraneous details than Samurott and Blastoise has a busier design overall.

You're probably one of those people who doesn't know the difference between animation and art style.

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>>28476200
>>28475537
>>28475910
Dude, Samurott's armor only covers it's legs. An actual samurai has armor all over their body. Your retarded as fuck if you don't see that Samurott's design is simplified for an animal designed to have elements of samurai.

>>28476472
Yes and it's part of the reason why it looks so stupid when it stands; they're rigid and unbending making any pose Samurott take look unnatural.

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>>28476573
That's segmented, it moves very well. Don't you know anything about real armor either?

>>28476472
>Fanart still has to change the length of limbs and position of shoulders to let it swing a sword

>>28476265
not him, but
starter evos, anon

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>>28476923
What are you talking about? Its 3D model shows that it has the anatomy to pull it off.

>>28477076
>Those pecs

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>>28476746
I understand that armor bends and moves.
But not for Samurott.

In the sprites and even official artwork it looks like a paraplegic dog dragging it's ass end along the ground, which gets more noticeable whenever someone draws Samurott on their hind legs with a sword drawn.

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>>28477076
Just the picture of grace and agility here am I right?

>>28476281
literally how does blastoise have a busier design? Literally just my mom's turtle, painted blue, with a couple cannons added.

Samurott, while not overdesigned, just looks dumb, mainly because of the fur around its nose and mouth. I won't bring up how it's suddenly quadrupedal, because that only has to do with its prgression from its first two stages, and not its own design per se.

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>>28473589

Ken Sugimori is one of the best.

No thanks, if simplifying the designs would mean getting Genwun boring ass shits like Diglett, Voltorb, Oddish, and Pidgey lines.

>>28477563
Cannons, opening doors, gunpla panneling, all those things.

>>28477145
The design itself clearly has segmented plates that allow movement. that artists are not using these elements is the fault of these artists and not the design itself.

And this is not what was being argued. Ever. The argument is that samurott is a simple enough design that could stand among early starters. Which has been proven here >>28475698 already. Just look at it and look at the other starters, it's no more complex than any of them.

>>28475165
More like turned a shitmon into something great,

>>28474094

>Salandit or Rockruff or whatever

There is literally nothing wrong with them.

>>28474404
this desu

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>>28475165

>overdesigned

There's that buzzword again.

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>>28473589
>doesn't mean creating an OC
all pokemon are OC

>>28474421
>Le /vp/ is retarded meme xDD

Oh wow how original. Just fuck off. Seriously.

>>28482675
Ignore those troll posts anon.

>>28474094
Gen 1 has too many bland and thoughtless nonsensical hybrid animals like Snorlax, Slowpoke, and Kangaskhan. Please don't regress to that Dork Age's designs.

>>28482714
Didn't bother to read the entire statement, did ya? An "OC, do not steal" is literal deviantart shit.

>>28474404
I agree with you but the other extreme is
>Because technology has gotten better we can go full turbo on the details and ignore aesthetic sense
Some new mons are very pleasing to look at but others are way too busy. Even the decaled gen 1 mons like magmar and Electabuzz manage to keep the details constrained to fixed areas and can still direct your attention to the mons' face.

>>28477614
Why? He's responsible for only 12 gen 1 pokemon, 2 of which are examples of pure laziness. Magneton and Dugtrio.

>>28474187
Ohmura; Ohmori is the director for ORAS/SM.

>>28475405
Gyarados exists, so yes.

>>28475738
>irony
It's Steel, not Iron.

>>28474261
Tasty bait

Ye mean, ye want yer Pokémon to look like Neopet clones/rejects, like most Genwun's mons?

Gud for ye, OP.

AHAHHAHAHAH all the underaged fagots BTFO by Ken and this thread

>>28477076
>Left foreleg has to stretch in order to let it raise its shoulders above its hips.
>Back legs have to go down to the knee in order to lower it as well

Yes. Samurott is a great swordsman, if swordsmen were made of rubber and fought on their knees.

Gen 7 > Gen 4

cry harder faggot

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>>28473589
Most non-legendary Pokemon have pretty simple designs. I don't understand what the problem was to begin with.

Pic unrelated.

Overdesigned:
>fucked-up, nonsensical proportions
>too detailed
>too colorful
That add nothing to the character.

Sometimes it's necessary, mostly not.
Pokemon have evolved their variety is greater than ever. It's good because anyone will like at least few of'em.
Some still look like monsters, some like cartoon characters.
Is it bad? Not necessarily, because it can be executed well enough, but most of the times it's nonsensical and too commercial.

If you look at Garchomp, you have bright colors and an X on its forehead. Why? It's random, of course it looks shitty to many.
If you look at "Gen 1" Garchomp, it's white and blue, no X on it. Because there is no need to, it's already a dragon-shark fusion. It's a monster, it gets the point across. It doesn't look outright scary because Pokemon aren't that, but they look like monsters. They are JRPG creatures after all.
Now, Pokemon evolved and their designs as well, but only some benefit from looking like cartoon monsters. They're still catering to kids, just that it's more obvious cuz of the disproportions and the like. It can be seen for some as trying too hard. And they're not that wrong.
Why would Garchomp need those horrible colors? To make it look more like a cartoon dragon. It's, again, trying too hard to appeal to an audience.

Some work with such a design, e.g. the psycho-fish because of its bright colors and the like. It adds to its design cuz of its personality (grin, etc, making it look goof by nature, but as a cartoon even goofier).
Something like Aloan Exeggutor is okay, but they never take a big step and experiment. It's just an ugly palm tree. It looks weird, because it looks unnatural. A little stupid. Why not add to the stupidity instead, bend it a little and add clouds around its long neck, with straws coming out of the palms as if they were drinking something. Maybe wearing sunglasses for all I care.
Instead, it's half-assed because Gamefreak is far from perfect. It -is- a lazy company.

>>28485990

Sometimes, a simple well-drawn pose can make any Pokemon interesting (one of the reasons why sprites can be seen as superior over 3D models), it's just a rare occurence.

I like any Pokemon, really, but I wish that more of them had realistic proportions. That they would go over the designs and try different things. Instead, you get "Mega-Beedrill" which has become a parody of its origin. And it'd be great if that was the point of it, but why should I give Gamefreak that much credit? They never were that self-aware after all.

>>28485990
>Why? It's random
Or maybe because it's the Mach Pokemon, since it can fly it imitates a decorated jet.

Not that your post makes any sense since you just threw up random words and contradict yourself in a few sentences, but still.

>>28477284
Samurott got quick hands.

>>28486045
.... that is why it needs an X on its forehead?

>>28486045
I said it can work. Sometimes. When I say that one should make goofy Pokemon goofier, it's because they already kind of do, but could be so much more if they actually didn't half-ass things. Go to an extreme instead of jus giving Exeggutor a long neck. It looks weird for numerous reasons, but not weird enough to justify it. It's just a long neck. I'm all for making Pokemon look cartoony and goofy, if it fits their design.

I don't get this reaction towards the nighttime version of rockruff+. I know it has something to do with Verlisify, but I don't know much about him, either. What does this pokemon have to do with him?

>>28486090
Dude have you ever seen a palm tree

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>>28477666
>gunpla panneling

>>28486139
Stiff palm tree, yes. It is supposed to look goofy yeah. But it just looks kind of weird for having a long neck when the concept itself has a lot of promise and features of being a self-parody of Exegguctor to begin with. It's dumb, but it's dumb for having a long neck.They don't do much else besides that with it.
I guess one could throw in the head-tail in there, but eh.

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>>28486060
I see no X, i see a star or anyway a multi-pointed one.
Jets usually have the part before the propeller of a completely different color, and Garchomp being an animal of course got that part with a "wild" design instead of "rotund".

Not like random shit on Pokemon is always bad, Venusaur completely drops the random spots from their previous evos but they didn't look bad. Pikachu doesn't need those brown lines but it helps break the monotony of the yellow. Or Kadabra in its entirety.