http://www.strawpoll.me/11209893 In light of the new eviden

Of course they're fucking real.

You fucking idiots it is the same fucking cap even in the poster the front part of the cap and the lower poke ball symbol overlap.

>>28461029
>Mallow being a companion, leaked before her official reveal.
>"BU-BUT ASH'S HAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES UP EVEN THOUGHT IT REALLY HARD TO TELL!"

Yeah there real, they have been since August 1st

The cap is a minor issue, Mallow is still the focus. It's easy to miss a design, more so when it can be quickly changed on such a detail, but getting a full character spot on before the official design comes out isn't. I still think they're real.

Real, of course. Denialfags are just trolls and shitposters

>>28461029
Stand strong fellow denialfags, all the struggle will just make victory all the sweeter.

>>28461230
Even aside from that, Hat designs have changed before and nothing is final. It is concept art after all. What matters more is that Mallow seems to be confirmed as traveling companion. What is more strange is that we are getting ANOTHER season where Ash gets all three starters.

Real but those are only the night ones

>>28461029
>http://www.strawpoll.me/11209893
>No Indifferent option
Shit poll

Didn't the leaker also get the bit about Rockruff having a werewolf form too?

>>28461029
It's concept art, of course it's not going to be 100% accurate, this was probably made before Ash's final design was set in stone, with Mallow already being finished as she's also in the games.

>>28461698
>being an indecisive little bitch

That's okay, leave the decision making to all the real men

>>28461698
It's like asking if you're a boy or a girl.

Hatfags getting btfo. Eat shit denialfags.

>>28461596
Hopefully the starters are just there for advertising and not half his fucking team again.

I also think it's still real. It's not a different hat. It's a small sketch so isn't super detailed. Mallow is also sketched very simplistic.

>>28461752
>>28461757
>God is real
>No evidence to support or debunk it
Kay

I think they are real, but part of me hopes they get proven fake just because so many obnoxious faggots would be BTFO by it

My blood is fucking boiling right now. I've given my fucking life to this series. I've personally drawn 2,000 pieces of fan art for Pokemon alone. About half of those are SerenaAsh. I've even been featured on Pixiv about two dozen times. They represent thousands of hours that I've invested in this ship.

SerenaAsh is the basis of this series. It all starts with them and ends with them. They saved each other and they love each other. It was so simple and so perfect. I have nothing more to say about this.

Pokemon is dead to me. Masuda is dead to me. And soon I will be dead to me. It's ok, friends. I've had a good life with loving friends and family. But I die with SerenaAsh. I don't think I'll post here again. To my SerenaAsh comrades, I love you. To everyone else, I'll see you in hell. Good bye, /v/. Goodbye, 4chan. Goodbye, world.

>>28461029
>Ash's hat design being different is somehow stronger evidence than Mallow appearing months before her official character reveal

Can denialfags be stopped?

>>28461444
(You)

>>28461862
c u 2mrrw buddy

>>28461844
Nobody cares about your opinion agnostic cuck. Also you can't possibly be totally neutral anyway, everyone will eventually lean towards one or the other option.

>>28461844
Agnostic master race.

>>28461698
Then don't vote?

>>28461752
Genuinely kek'd

>>28461029
Sketch pikachu's tail is different from ash's pikachu's tail.
Fake comfirmed

>>28461698
>Clinton or Trump
>No Indifferent option
Shit election

>>28461966
>Also you can't possibly be totally neutral anyway
>True Neutral exist.
Kay
>"Ha! I got you to lean one way!"
Im just stating facts.

>>28461977
I wont
>>28462023
>Never voted before

>>28462042
>muh DoD memes
fucking lol, you do know both agnostic theists and atheists are a thing and that "pure" agnosticism pretty much isn't, right?

>>28461029
I think they're probable.

>>28461913
Ash has gotten a new hat almost a dozen times, lmao. The denial is real.

>>28461844
If there's no evidence to support something then why be on the fence about it? You can't prove a negative.

If I said there's a teapot orbiting around the sun that's too small for us to notice, would you be neutral about it?

>>28462192
richard pls

>>28461074
>>28461159
>>28461230
>>28461337
>>28461394
>>28461860
>>28461949
wow, the denial is real, you all will get BTFO

>>28461808
Lana has a Popplio, so likely Ash is going to have Rowlet and maybe Litten.

>>28462333
>Anons think they are real
>Look at all these denialfags
Retard.

>>28462333
Despite ebin trips, the denialfags are the ones that deny these are real.

>>28461862

Nice bait, but the simple fact of seeing actual amourfags getting absolutely btfo makes it all the sweeter.

>>28461738
Basic reading skills months ago would have told you that.

>>28462975
Nigga how. There was pretty much nothing pointing towards there being a Werewolf form aside from the leakers words until this image dropped.

>>28461029
Still real.

>>28462618
I think Ash is only going to have that Litten that fully evolves. Will be a heel like charizard was.

>the vast majority of /vp/ are idiots who can't tell that fake leaks are fake
You'd think that Ash's hat would finally end the life of these shitty leaks, but sadly not.

>>28464598
Hasn't Ash's hat changed in between development before?

still pretty sure it's real, or atleast came from GF. Idk Mallow being in it unrevealed trumps Ash's hat design being abit wrong.. It's Luchalitten's concept art not Ash's, which is why his clothes are basic too I'd assume, I'm sure Ash's concept art is more detailed and maybe Lucha's concept art was done before Ash was finalised? it's not like they'd go back and fix a small reference sketch on a concept photo. Not everything is done at once in terms of design.

>>28461029
In light of the new evidence, leakfags are more certain they're right and denialfags are more certain they're right.
Prove me wrong.

Still not convinced one way or another.

My whole thing is just because the next female anime/game character was leaked, doesn't mean anything else was. I mean, if all I had was an idea of what an unknown pokegirl looked like I'd make up some fake Pokemon, if I was gonna leak shit anyways. I'll be happy either way, the pokemon aren't bad but they aren't "I must have" level.

>>28461029

Fake.

Type Null has the front legs of an owl, the rear legs of a panther,and the rear end of a seal thing and is considered a chimera.

That should be proof enough.

This wouldnt be the first time a "leaker" had real info mixed in with fake info.

>>28462618
>>28464594
>Lana's Popplio pull a Fennekin and evolves into Popplio2
>Litten fully evolves
>Rowlet don't evolve and is the resident comical relief of the season

On a scale of 1 to 10, how mad would people be?

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>>28465330
>its the type:null bullshit theory again
Can somebody please post actual owl legs to shut these idiots up?

>>28461029
Where's the "you're all fucking stupid" option?

>>28461029
52 jokers saying no.

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>>28465835

Here I will for you since you think its so idiotic.

Matches up perfectly well damn....

>>28461029
I don't care, I think littern3 looks awful if the leaks are real, at least pop and Root look decent.

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>>28465330
Except those don't look like an owl's in the slightest. Pic related is how an ACTUAL owl leg looks like, not three claws.

>>28465943
I dont see spines or an exterior articulation anon

>>28465962

Its pokemon faggot.

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>Denialfags are a vocal minority
So that means they're even more cancerous and retarded than we realized?

>>28465953

See >>28465943

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>>28464598
Cry more.

>>28466020
Never said those can't be a bird's legs. But not an owl's.

>>28465103
no one knew at all what she'd look like or if she even existed

>>28465984
>its clearly an owl, its just like one
>it has differences
>its not meant to be one
Then fuck off, its just as much, if not more of a bug than a bird, so it isnt evidence of jackshit.

>>28461844

Most people who call themselves agnostics are atheists who don't understand the terminology.

>>28466066

That picture is of a fucking barn owls leg you retard.

I can not believe how dumb some people on this site are.

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>>28466204
Here's an actual barn ow.

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>>28466204
Here's a horned owl's leg.

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>>28466204
And here's a snowy owl. THEY ALL HAVE FOUR FINGERS.

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>>28462333
Wasted meme numbers. Fuck off.

>>28466354
>>28466390
>>28466439
>wasting your time arguing with an obvious shitposter (or clinically retarded anon)
Why?

Poll says most of vp believes it.

I think they're real, but I don't think I'd be upset if they were fake.

>>28466478
Not having much to do. But still, I'm just amazed people don't know owl are supposed to have four toes with claws. So this pretty much proves Null's legs aren't that of an owl.

>>28461029
>Its completely that the hat of ash looks different, it is just work in progess
>ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? HOW CAN YOU NOT BELIEVE WE WILL GET THE FUCKING BRAWLER CAT LIKE IN THE PICTURE?

Everyone who thinks that we will get what we have seen from the "leaks", are in for a major disappointment.

I believe them to be real, this sort of evidence is pretty hard to argue against without going extremely stretching.

I am however not sure why these leaks being real is a good thing. All of the final evolutions look like fucking shit. So most likely this will be the first time I box my starter so I dont have to force them to be in these shit forms.

>>28466570
>I am however not sure why these leaks being real is a good thing. All of the final evolutions look like fucking shit.
Have you perhaps not heard of the concept of subjectivity?

>>28461029
The leaks show Mallow weeks months? before she was officially revealed but the hat looks different so it's definitely fake :^)

>>28466570
It's probably because people have different opinions. This is just a guess though.

>>28466439
>>28466390
>>28466354

You're an idiot. Does pokemon care if they have four or three toes? No they add spikes random appendages and random colors to shit all the time.

>>28466478

I'm not shit posting.

>>28466534

I know owls have 4 fucking claws but the shape of the things legs resembles an owls.

Pokemon does not care to be accurate. Its the shape not the toe count.

>>28466534
Pokemon is a Japanese media, which avoids the number 4 like the plague because its considered unlucky.

>65 unironic denialfags

TAPU KEKU

>>28466664
>I'm not shit posting.
yes you are, ironic shitposting is still shitposting

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>>28466439
And here's a shark. THEY ARE ALL WATER TYPES

>>28461029
Ash's design probably wasn't finalized when they drew the art on the left. Keep trying denialfags.

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>>28466439
>>28466746
Here's another shark.
ALL SHARKS HAVE TAIL FINS.

>>28466746
>Ths live being has a distinct biological characteristic
>this fictional creature breaks the norm made by its developer
It doesnt even actually break it, its just a different design you're too stupid to understand

>>28466664
How did this type: null fan speculation with no evidence and a fish tail somehow being related to Popplio ever gain any traction? None of this is evidence of anything.

>>28466664
I'm gonna have to agree with you, somewhat. I believe these are real and I don't think Null has much to do with them.

But GF doesn't give a fuck about accuracy. I mean really... Dogs don't have steel spikes on their paws (Lucario) and cats don't spit fire (Litten)

>>28466746
>>28466767
those aren't sharks, those are pokemon. Educate yourself

>>28466781
Its funny you say that, its hillarious how they ignore itand the fact those are dog legs, not cat legs, when arguing about how it proves they are fix

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>>28466439
And here's a barn owl. THEY ALL HAVE FOUR FINGERS.

>>28466814
>those are pokemon
... Exactly my point?

>>28466781
Obvious cat head, water-type fin, and grass-type legs.

>>28466816
>noctowl
>barn owl
>still using pokemon as simils to real animals
>when you yourself dismissed them as not always accurate
wew, you're even more retarded than I thought

>>28466781
>he doesnt understand the joy of argueing without any reason

Sad human being.

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>>28466816
>thinks there aren't talons on the backs of its feet

cute

>>28466840
>>those are pokemon
>... Exactly my point?
your point was pokemon differ from real animals you fucking idiot, how does pokemon being different mean anything?

>>28466844
No the point is

Gamefreak doesnt make pokemon 10000% accurate to biology and part of it is avoiding four-fingered/toed limbs. FFS Hoothoot (appears to) have only 1 leg.

>>28464598
Its a tiny drawing, its hard to get that much detail in a drawing so small and the logo on the hat is pretty thin, the hat means nothing, you might as well call out pikachu being fake because it doesnt have black on its ears.
Look more at how much it got right rather than one small thing it couldnt portray due to its small size
>no gloves on Ash
>Mallow
>Ash with Rowlet
Denialfags are just anoying these days, it was funny at first but now theyre at the level Roothoot fags were.

>>28466870
Type: Null is also a Pokemon as is Rowlett. Therefore they dont have to more than remotely match reality. keep arguing just to save face from being memed on and BTFO

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>>28466855

Here's your fallacy.

Rowlett only has two claws.

Also dogs and wolves are supposed to have four claws anon! Pic related.

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>>28466879
do you even Gen 2?

>>28466840
The only thing actually obvious is a fin, which could easily be any generic water type, like all its parts. The legs are jointed and arguably more insect like than anything grass related and the head is intentionally ambiguous. None of this is any actual certainty and is purely speculation.

>>28466885
>>28466885
The hat is completely different. Size has nothing to do with it....

It has a generic pokeball button, rather than a weird semi-outline shape

>Ash with Rowlet
WOW WHO WOULDVE PREDICTED ASH HAVING A GRASS STARTER? Much less an unevolved one

>>28466927
Hence why i said "(appears)" in parentheses.
I know it has 2 legs, but it looks as if it has 1.

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>>28466570
>"OMG WORST STARTERS EVER. I'M BOXING THESE!"

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>>28466917
Rowlett has three, you idiot.

>>28466951

One rear and two forward yet proving my fucking point from the beginning.

3 clawed owl feet on null.

My job is done good day.

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>>28466664
Pic related, now shut the fuck up

>>28466979
My first post in this thread was
>>28466855, specifically to call >>28466816 a retard. I don't give a shit about your initial argument.

>>28467002

And your initial argument doesnt hold up.

So whats your point?

>>28467027
>doesn't hold up
>when Noctowl's art clearly shows it with four fingers, yet that anon tried to say Noctowl only had three.
How dumb are you ?

>>28467027
I never had an initial argument aside from the fact that Noctowl doesn't have only three toes on its feet.
You seem to be confusing me with someone who disagreed about Type: Null. (even though it's obviously insect legs since bird legs aren't segmented or with axial spurs and the number of toes are a coincidence)
As far as this thread is concerned, I don't give a shit about Type: Null. There were falsehoods about Noctowl and Hoothoot and so I rectified them.

Fuck your argument, I don't give a shit about it.It is not relevant to, nor does it apply to me.

The leak is real, but like Ash, the design of the starters in those images were not final and might be different

>>28466939
>size has nothing to do with it
You've just proven you have no idea how concept art works, size is everything
its either super detailed or not at all, mostly because its small and thus adding too much detail would cause it to look crowded, hence why pikachu has little to no detail and why they all have a basic face.

>>28467110
Its not the difference in detail, its a completely different fucking design.
>pikachu has little to no detail
and yet it still has round, colored in cheeks and not blank cheeks or crude X's or something completely different from its official design, unlike ash's hat.

>>28467238
I really can't tell if you really are believing in what you say or just shitposting at this point. A diference of a few pixels invalidates absolutely everything. And people wonder why anons like you aren't taken seriously. Or 4Chan for that matter.

>>28467238
But its not completely different, its similar enough to chalk down to size restriction, if it had a massively different shape i'd agree but even still, one thing to say its fake compared to the rest of the things to say its real doesnt change a thing

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>>28467305
The bill is completely different, there is a clear pokeball design, and the hat is a different shape. Cant see enough of his legs to tell if the pants/shorts are different but i'd wager they are.


Details like the stripes/red things on the shorts wouldnt matter but the hat design isnt MISSING details - theyre outright completely different.

>>28467099

Rowlett has three toes anon. He is an owl.

Just because Gamefreak made one owl with 4 toes doesnt mean they all have them.

>>28467469
Not even gonna bother. Listen, minute details like this aren't that significant since like other have pointed out, you're limited in space and can't go to much since it's insignificant, the real attraction of that entire page is Lucha, not Ash or Mallow. They're just there for reference.

But I guess you just won't understand. Next you might even bring the generic hawaiian girl thing.

they will believe a hat design being abit different is proof of falsehood but and unseen character not revealed until months later isn't basis for belief absolutely definition of autistic fatfucks.

>>28461966

are you retarded? because anyone that isn't an agnostic is retarded.

agnosticism is the idea that you cannot determine whether god exists or not.

Being an atheist is retarded because there is simply no way to disprove god. so even if you don't believe in god you can't disprove him.

and being a theist is equally retarded as you cannot prove that god exists either.

therefore if you're not agnostic you are retarded.

I just can't believe anything after roothoot. This 'denialfag' vs. 'leakfag' thing is exactly how the roothoot thing went, except much more annoying.

Take the """"evidence"""" for both, roothoot being called true because it was the one leak that was a grass owl before the names came out. Mallow in the """"leak"""", while she doesn't look generic, looks like what can be interpreted from past games. GF wouldn't want another short haired, tan Hawaiian girl again, so there's a long haired, tan Hawaiian girl

It is literally just placing obvious things on a hyped """"""leak"""""" for attention.

>>28461029
I believe that they're real but i think that they're from early development and not final

Voted

>>28461029
how is the hat different? It's a plain hat with a circle on it.

>>28467974
Can't believe you're comparing meme roothoot with this, but I guess genuinely retarded people are allowed to use 4chan too

>>28466199
Theism: Belief in (a) God's existence.
Atheism: Belief in God's nonexistence.
Agnosticism: Realizing you don't know shit either way.

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>>28468188
351 believers

97 baiters

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I think this image clearly shows that Ash is going to be getting each of the Starters as well as Rockruff. Not quite sure what other Pokémon he could end up getting yet, however (I say other because remember Unova).

>>28462192
Because neither side can back their claims. If one side of an argument lacks proof, it doesn't necessarily follow that the inverse of the argument is absolutely correct. That's just common, practical sense.

>>28461074
Of course you're a fucking retard.

And with closer inspection, it appears his sixth Pokémon might actually be Pikipek. I hope he gets more than just those six, however.

Though Ash going to school for an entire saga? I think I just had flashbacks of the Hercules or The Emperor's New School shows that Disney had pumped up a while back.

>>28467974
Barely anyone actually believed Roothoot, it was almost entirely obnoxious trolls who spammed it. It's retarded to compare them.

>>28467928
That's because it's impossible to prove a negative. If I came up to you and started preaching Pastafarianism and how the Flying Spaghetti Monster created everything, you have no evidence to disprove any of my claims.

"Can you disprove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists?"
"Can you disprove that Zeus exists?"
"Can you disprove that the Norse Gods existed?"
Do you realize how retarded that sounds?

The burden of proof is on the person who makes the claims. God is an extraordinary claim. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and that bible shit isn't going to pass as "substantial" evidence when compared to every scientific discovery ever.

>>28468394
But theists make a claim without backing it up with evidence. Atheists merely reject the claim, they aren't making one themselves. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. No Atheist goes out of their way to say "God doesn't exist."

>>28461029
What evidence?

>>28461029
mallow is literally in the picture, weeks after her reveal.
i feel like anons are just baiting and trolling at this point

>>28468900
It feels like the leakfags are just a bunch of obnoxious trolls, but I'm just one guy on here, it just feels exactly like roothoot, even to the point of people screen capping to btfo the opposite team.

MUH GAME ART

IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING FOR THE ANIME!!!!!!!!!

>>28461966
Yeah this, I'm "agnostic" (because I don't know if God is real) but I lean towards God not being real. And I'm 100% sure that a God from a specific religion doesn't exist. Doesn't make sense that whatever created the universe would care if humans jack off or whatever

why the fuck are we talking about this on a pokemon board

>>28467469
do you have some kind of hand tremors or are you blind? that's not even how those lines connect in the slightest