Now that Luchacat and co has been officially debunked by Ash's

People really thought GF would make yet another fire/fighting starter

Get real dweebs

>>28458124
>Ash's hat looks different
Could have been a strategic last minute move.

>>28458124
>muh Ash's hat
This has to be shitposting or falseflagging at this point.

>>28458124

>Ash's hat in a concept art is different
>F A K E

>>28458178
If you think they changed it the last minute, then you must accept that Luchacat and co are scrapped concepts.

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>>28458124
>actually using the hat as an argument
It's just sad.

They have been confirmed form Mallow being the companion

>>28458194
And spamming these fakes are any better? Get real.

>>28458200

Do you really think they'd go through the effort of meticulously drawing Ash's hat logo on a tiny ass sketch

>>28458223
Mallow don't matter anymore, what matters is that everything must be consistent. Ash's hat being inconsistent debunks it entirely.

>>28458217
also

Ash's hat is different
but Mallow is exactly the same

>>28458124
Hang on to your straws 'cause OPs goin' graspin'!

>>28458272
>this kind of logic
How do you function as a being ?

Full detailed Pokemon art and an actual character is clearly equal to the design of a tiny ass hat in concept art. Right.

>>28458295
It's you who're the straw grasper here. In your case, you're grasping for excuses as to why Ash's hat isn't a damning evidence that it's all fake.

>>28458272
Refer >>28458256

>>28458272
ITT: low functioning autists

like holy shit

>>28458245

Except there's more evidence that they're real than fake. Stop being retarded, even if you're merely pretending.

>>28458178
>>28458194
>>28458197
>>28458217

Being so much in denial.

>>28458200
The designs are finalized in the games before being given to anime artists.

>>28458357
Evidence that they're fake will always outweight the evidence that they're "real", don't delude yourself.

>>28458124
We're going EVEN FURTHER BEYOND denial at this point. Now we're in hallucination/fantasy world territory.

>>28458272
Actual literal autism, we meet again

>>28458223
and then deconfirmed by Ash's hat

>>28458365
No wonder you guys don't want these to be real, your egos won't even consider the possibility of you being wrong.

>>28458124
>the hair is slightly different
>the hat is slightly different
Please off yourselves when the leaks are confirmed real.

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>>28458272
>we went from "generic hawaiian girl" to "it's actually mallow, but now the hat doesn't fit, so it's fake"

Holy shit, these manchildren

>>28458217
I didn't know that content from games that already came out could be debunked. I'll head to my nearest doctor and have my memories of the Sinnoh starters cauterised out with a soldering iron, I guess.

>>28458387

(You)

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And here I was thinkig leakfags were immature, denialfags are just straight up mental at this point. Please off every single one of you.

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>This back pedaling from both sides

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HOLY SHIT DEBUNKED

I want underage to leave.

>>28458418
Did you even read what i replied to?

This is just sad.

>>28458680
Wait, my bad. You can insult me as much as you want now.

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>>28458124

When faggotcat is ultimatly proven as a fake, then the mermaidfag is ALSO fake!

>poppfaggots

You finally losing!

>>28458633
DUBS CONFIRM!!!

You know what's worse than leakfags and denialfags? The cool guys who just have to let you know how they're above all of this yet post in the threads anyway to let you know about their awesome outlook

>>28458734
(you)

>>28458124
A hat?? Really a fucking hat? Alright if that's what you want to believe thengo ahead but seriously don't ever get out of your room the world will chew you and spit you out

>>28458725
Ballsack isn't real either, go back to deviantart.

Neet furries ruin so many things. the drawings of the fire starter's final evo that have been spammed here for weeks are absolute shit and only enjoyed by faggots with terrible taste.

>>28458124
>>28458217
>>28458295
>>28458365
>>28458391
>>28458460
False flagging and possible samefag leakfags obsessed with denialfags. Again.

ITT. Autism the thread
Have denialfags really sunken this low ?

>>28458124
>must be fake because ash's hat is different
by that logic pikachu must be fake too as its ears are different plus ash's shirt has no stripes. um these are minor details that have no bearing on the pokemon that this is a design sheet for and can be changed at a later date (minus pickachu's ears). I like to think of this as Schrödinger's Pokecat, it's both real and fake until it's proven real by an official source or fake by an other mon being littens final evo.

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>>28458124
Are denialfags really clinging onto their egos this hard that their argument revolves around a hat now? Isn't this entire argument refuted with the fact that DP Ash had his hat changed too?

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>>28458821
I'm convinced denialfags are simply mentally chalenged people at this point. No logic left in there brains.

>>28458855
By your logic, the leaks are debunked because the reference art is too cluttered with useless details unlike how professional companies do reference art. You can't have both cakes at once, kid.

Everyone is an expert on design when it comes to Pokemon but denialfags don't even understand the idea of focusing on key elements in concept art.

>>28458906
>this logic
Please go back to you security room and continue to stare at the wall.

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>>28458906
>because the reference art is too cluttered with useless details unlike how professional companies do reference art

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>>28458906
What kind of stupid logic is that? There's literally no proof backing up that claim and you're merely inferring things.

Give me evidence that the leaks aren't how professional companies do reference art.

Wait so everything in the anime is more true than the game? If thats the case where are the pink pokemon? Why cant Kyurem change form on his own? Where's the orange league ?

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>>28458906

Well someone is going to be proven wrong at some point and it's going to be glorious to watch them never mention it again.

I'm rooting for leakfags

>>28458300
i wonder if he dies, if you feed him his wednesday food on a friday.

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>>28458124
>Debunked by a minor detail that has been changed before

>>28458272
>I'M MOVING THE GOALPOSTS AND NONE OF YOU CAN STOP ME AAAAHHHHHH

>>28458124
>Debunked by like 5 pixels

>>28458194
>girl vaguely similar to Mallow "confirms" the leak
>Ash's hat being completely different doesn't debunk it
Yeah mate nice going.

>>28459394
>Vaguely

Anon, really....

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>>28459394
>vaguely similar
>has the same exact hairstyle

People who think these aren't real are either trolling or stupid at this point. The hat isn't the same (I think?), but that doesn't debunk it, sorry. It's not damning evidence. It's just not. The fact that mallow (DEFINITELY Mallow) was in there is...enough. It speaks volumes more than "Ash isn't in his new clothes!!!!!"

A Hat? Have we really sunk this low?

Like, yeah, there's a chance that the concept art final stages are fake, but it's not the hat that is going to prove that. That is way to minor of a detail.

Also, theres still Mallow as counter argument. Generic Hawaiian girl doesn't work against that since Mallow is still the only girl in everything SM related that looks like the Girl in the concept leaks

Denialfags are way too comparable sewer rats, they'll literally scoff anything up.
>Muh hat is different.
Yeh cause the details on the hat are definitely going to clearly shown on a tiny doodle.
>a hat pattern is a more reliable source than actual confirmed characters

>>28459394
see
>>28458217

>>28459394
Yeah, Ash's new companions are Lana, Sophocles, and generic Hawaiian girl.

>>28459540
The Type:Null one was the funniest thing ever. They kept saying it was Rockruff and the starters while ignoring all of the legendary motifs.

>>28458124
These shit "leaks" being real or not doesn't even matter at this point, the starters are basically confirmed to have split evos so if you don't like these three you can just pick the alternative.

>>28459571
Wait?! They did. The fuck man, its not even funny anymore.

>>28458124
A character is design for design drawn in the same picture
>Nah, they got that completely by accident

A hat is slightly different
>Leakfags I told you it was fake, this slight change in hat design clearly debunks it

You can call it sarcasm, I still think you're a dipshit

>>28458942
>the sketches are still more detailed the scribles that is Luchkitten throwing Machoke/Machamp
>>28458979
>Give me evidence that the leaks aren't how professional companies do reference art.
You mean besides the fact that the image you posted uses its space correctly vs the compact art that the Luchalitten and other "final evos" use.
>>28459038
>still detailed sketches

>but muh rough sketch
Please, even rough sketches for early development have greater details.
>inb4 someone posts Gen 1, Super Mario, or any first time game sketch
Game has been going on for 20 fucking years, the art must now be detailed and not always rough quick sketches that is the case with "muh first game" concept art.

except ash's hat isn't different and if you think it is then you're retarded

>>28459650
> the starters are basically confirmed to have split evos

Oh really now? Wheres the fucking source on that fagtron?

>>28460008
The starters and Rockruff were said to have a secret. This doesn't mean the secret is the same for all four but the fact they mentioned that at the same time can't possibly be a coincidence.

>>28460290
Thats not "basically confirmed" at all

>>28458124
Looks more like they put Ash in before his Alola design was final or just used a basic looking Ash placeholder. Mallow is still the shining proof of these leaks, anon

>>28458460
Oh I love denialfags. Can't wait to see this thread in a compilation sometime soon

>leakfags are the ones really in denial

CANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP KEK

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>>28460493

I wonder how many people genuinely believe in this shit and don't do it just for the sake of memes ? Cause it really is sad. Going from something like Null to this. It's just sad.

This thread is gold. And probably going to be the main denialfag argument until they make a new one when the starter evos are shown

>>28460493
>WOOOW YOURE DENYING THE DENIAL YOU ARE THE *TRUE* DENIALFAG
nice logic leap there

>>28460379
It pretty much is considering they're obviously trying to give a bigger role to the day/night cycle. Also what could even be the actual secret? I could only think of exclusive Z-moves and that honestly doesn't sound like a "secret" at all.

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>>28458217
>>28458256
>>28458295
>>28458300
>>28458324
>>28458345
>>28458391
>>28458393
>>28458418
>>28458453
>>28458460
>>28458504
>>28458771
>>28458831
>>28458847
>>28458855
>>28458877
>>28458910
>>28458936
>>28459518
>>28459523
>>28459540
>>28459745
>>28459914
>Being in this much denial.
Not only are you in denial but you're also incredibly salty. Not just because you were proven wrong but also because you can't shitpost anymore. You guys are acting EXACTLY like game journalists did when their corruption was exposed.
You are trying to take back control in any way.
These ways include:
>Samefagging to seem bigger in numbers.
>Goalpost shifting
>Outright denial.
>Sheer anger
>Shaming
There have been enough pieces of evidence to disprove these fakes 1000 times over and yet they will never admit they were wrong.
They are white Knights for a fake leak.
>>28458677
Than go.
>>28459329
Pic related.

So as for why this leak is fake:
>Piss poor drawing.
>Generic Hawiian girl
>Supposed Mallow is missing a ladle.
>Pokemon in color but everything else not.
>Hat is different.
One of these things alone maybe a bit of a stretch but many of them together is damning evidence.
Leakfags can't see the forest for the trees.

>>28460668
It's definitely gonna be Z moves though. If there's a most disappointing option, Gamefreak will go for it

>>28460594
>Evidence you're wrong
>NOPE STILL RIGHT STUPID DENIALFAGS HAHA D-DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING

Who's the one in denial?

>>28460675
>Generic Hawiian girl
Good job making your entire post invalid

>>28460675
>Pokemon in color but everything else is not

Hahahaha have you not seen the rest of the official Pokemon concept art posted here anon? This post must be bait

>>28460713
Meh guess we'll see next month. There's really no point arguing about speculation.

>>28458382
Is it just me or does the hat in the leak look really damn close to the actual anime art? It's almost like the artist knew it was just a concept art and dgaf and didnt have a small enough pencil for the fine details. This doesnt debunk shit. There is clearly little detail in Mallow and Ash because the artist wasnt focusing on them, just the starters. Thats just a tiny scene to show the anime artists the type of interactions they would all have.

Tldr anyone who actually thinks the hat debunks these is like next level denialfagging, like a denailfag trapped in a denialfag, wormhole to next dimension denialfaggeness

>>28460675
this is the bait to end all baits

>gamergate
>generic hawaiian grill

harder daddy hyes

>>28460717
>Who's the one in denial?
Definitely the one who will deflect Mallow as a generic Hawaiian girls but desperately cling onto a cap logo redesign as something more significant.

>>28460742
The burden of proof is on you to prove that it's not a generic hawaiian girl. Meanwhile, there's damning evidence that it's not Mallow because the ladle, aka a key detail of Mallow's character and detail, is missing.

This ongoing back and forth of idiots arguing real or fake could go on until release

Pls make it stop.

>>28460717
Still you guys tho

>>28460717
what evidence? if anything the hat designs are so similar that they prove these leaks to be even more real

Night form of Rockruff's evo confirms these are real. Lots of people were saying thosr sausage fingers on luchalitten were not pokemon artstyle yet edgydog's fingers look almost the same.

>>28460793
People like to be angry, though.

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>>28460675
>samefagging

Might as well complain it's fake because Pikachu is missing details.

>>28460815
>>28460827
>>28460835
>and they call others "denialfags"

Comedy gold

>>28460675
Denialfag bringing up Gamergate shit as a point in 2016. And somehow leakfags are the retarded ones.

>>28460675
You just instantly nulled you entire argument by saying "generic hawaiian girl". Good work dipshit.

>>28460820
>The burden of proof is on you to prove that it's not a generic hawaiian girl
She looks exactly like Mallow, same hairstyle, same flower. Do you actually think Mallow is going to carry a ladle around 24/7? Are you actually this retarded?
What's there to prove?

>>28460820
Ok sure, Mallow isn't holding the ladle from what we can see. But she is cooking, which is a part of her design

This reminds me of when people said the Smash 4 roster leak was fake because Ness' shirt stripes were off.

>>28460903
Anon obviously the dale is glued to her hand so it has to show up no matter what

>>28460820
>ladle is not there so she's automatically fake
This board has just hit new levels of low.

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>>28460903
>Do you actually think Mallow is going to carry a ladle around 24/7? Are you actually this retarded?
>Shes holding her ladle in the promotional anime image
Are you?

>>28458124
How autistic and so delusional are you that the hat looks different?

It's the same fucking hat.

>>28459394

>completely different

>>28460988
By this logic then, if she has to carry it around 24/7 in her left hand, you can't even see if she's holding anything in her left hand in the leak

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>>28460988
Welp, I guess this month's Corocoro issue is fake

>>28460988
>completely ignoring the image above
(you)

>>28460988
>Lurantisite is reacting to Mallow's Mega Ladle!

>>28460988

Do you think Ash is going to be grinning and doing that retarded pose 24/7?

>>28460867
"Denialfag" would imply anyone is claiming it is not a different hat, which isn't the case as anyone will admit that, unlike people who insist Mallow is not Mallow.

But since it's always funny to see people like you spaz out, could you explain to us why you think a hat redesign carries more weight than Mrs Literally My Mom's Mallow?

>>28460867
theres nothing for me to deny anon

>>28461055
There isnt any proof that he wont be

>>28460808
>>28460870
Cry harder faggots.
If denial had physical weight to it you could knock a nigga out cold with it.

>IT"S CUUUURRRRREEENNNNNNTTT YYEEEAAARRRR!!!!!!
Also I say they focus on one thing and not the whole big picture and how do they reply?
Comedy gold.

>>28461030
she has a ladle behind her back this dont prove anything kill yourself leakfag

>>28460675
>Denialfags are gamergators
this explains so much

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>>28461030

>>28461108
No seriously I just can't handle this any longer. You people need help and fast.

>>28461139
>missing the point so much

>>28461108
>she has a ladle behind her back
>but in the leak she clearly can't have a ladle in her left had which we don't see
>this is the logic denialtards use

>>28461106
I mean you're blatantly wrong so what's there to argue besides laughing at your attempt at MUH ETHICS AND GAME JOURNALISM shitposting.

>>28461139
>hurr durr she always has a ladle with her all the time
>post a picture of her without her ladle
>somehow it doesn't prove she doesn't always go around with a ladle because he posts a piece of art where she has a ladle
How desperate can you get?

>>28461106
Go back to 8ch.an cripplekike lmao

>>28461026
The artist probably got a glimpse of her from a coworker, you can see she isnt holding her arm but a ladle with her right hand. Common inconsistent mistakes happen all the time when you get quick glimpses of thing.

>>28461256
>getting b8'd
Jesus christ fags are the worst.

>>28458124
>debunked by Ash's hat

Nope
They're debunked by one of the 3 ultra beast
The dude who created the fake leak in your pic saw the Ultra Beast and drew it from memory assuming it was a starter evo but fucked up

>>28461340
>I-I was merely pretending

>>28461165
Im just having fun man, have to kill time somehow while breeding.

>>28461308
Mallow and Ash were just quick sketches showing a little scene of how Luchalitten has a hotplate belt. So of course an exact hat design and a ladle may be missed

>>28461308
This is nothing but bait at this point. No thinking person will from now on take waht you say serious. Good job proving how much of a retard you really are.

>>28461342
If serious THIS is the ultimate kek

>>28461342
?

This is certainly a new one...

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>>28461342

>>28461342
I fucking hope people are screencapping these, it's going to be so fun to look at come release

>>28461402
Good job arguing his point anon. You totally showed what the flaw in his theory was and didn't just get mad and name call or anything

>>28458164
Have you not paid attention the whole fucking time faggot nigger? It's Fire/Dark

>>28461402
>name calling for no reason
Cool story bro

>>28461136
Right I don't believe the press when they tell me Muh Lady is being harassed by GG. I bet you do.
So get fucked.
>>28461194
I'm wrong how? All you autists have done is sperg like a faggot and not adress the points I made. Go back to plebbit..
>>28461264
Leakfags being anti GGers makes so much fuckin sense. They'll believe anything you show 'em. I only brought game journalists up because their behavior is remarkible similer to leakfags.
GG died like a year ago so still getting triggered is a bit embarassing especially sense I'm capping every one of these. So in other words, your sperging out amuses me, keep doing it for more screencaps.

>>28461474
There's no reason to argue with a troll, really.

>>28461529
>troll
He brought up a legit point.

>>28461529
>anons who dont agree with me are trolls
Dude, its just a childrens game, no need to get riled up over what the deigns will/how they'll look by calling other people retards.

>>28461515
Game journalists actively deny, ignore and/or misrepresent facts to keep up a fabricated story, just like denialfags.

But please do continue to express your retardation with improper analogies, I haven't laughed this much in weeks.

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>>28458124
Hello Denialkid

>>28461515
>remarkible similer
I am now convinced you are baiting.

>>28461515
Unlike you, I realize gaming journalism in general is about the lowest form of journalism there is. How can you give a shit about the integrity of something that's 90% shilling and 9th grade writing level. I never gave a serious fuck about GG because it's a stupid fucking cause to get involved in on either side. There's literally nothing to argue, all your arguments are token denialfag arguments that have been argued before. What's the point? Neither of us is going to change the other's opinion.

I find it so hilarious some have changed there there tone to look like saints. Please continue, the retardation in here is exceeding limits I couldn't even thinki of.

>>28461342
This actually makes so much sense when you think about it. It makes more sense than the idea of a reference sheet being leaked by anyone working on the anime at the very least.

>>28461688
>some have changed there there tone to look like saints
what

I amu a Exu-GamuFreaka Emprore-desu ne. Detsu reaks aru natto fekus. I amu taruteddu saruse.

>>28458124

Holy shit this whole thread

Just fucking ignore these damn idiots who think this shit is not real.

Why the fuck does a hat and a fucking ladle matter so much when you have the whole fucking character looking like Mallow?

Why the fuck do you guys reply to these kinds of threads.

I know I did it too, but I just hope the somewhat better anons learn to ignore these underage shits.

Just because you don't like how the starter looks, doesn't mean it's fake.

I don't like it either but it's 99% real.

>>28461688
esl?

>>28460675
Oh man I can't even describe how bad I feel for your parents, having to put up with your down syndrome manchild ass.
Hardly a forest when none of those 'trees' are even fucking valid is it?

Denialfriends should really consider Occam's razor for this.

Sure, the leaks could be fake, but only with a lot of complex coincidences. The leaks being real only requires the assumption that someone showed off a reference sheet for the anime.

>>28461941
Denialfags should consider an actual razor and use it to slit their wrists

>>28462170
I can understand the denial. But if they just accept the leaks and they turn out to be fake, then they can feel happy either way

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>>28458272
IT'S TOO STRONG. I CAN'T RESIST THE BAIT. HALP!

>>28458272
This is from the game devs to the anime writers and storyboarders. They literally do not fucking care even a little bit what generic symbol they later decide to put on Ash's anime hat.

>>28460675
>Hat is different
muh dick
>Pokemon in color but everything else is not
This has to be a troll. Seriously.
>Generic Hawaiian girl
Not on your life dude.
>Supposed Mallow is missing a ladle
Oh no...you got us...wait, no, it doesn't matter because it's a small sketch and the ladle wasn't important enough to this artist to convey that this was supposed to be mallow.
>Piss poor drawing
You really sicken me.If you mean the characterizing doodles then you're truely foolish. They're small doodles to the side that are well done enough to convey who everyone is in the sketch despite their size. If you mean the pokemon, you really have no argument what so ever. The art is fundamentally sound, especially for concept sketches.

I hope you choke on your (you)'s

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I DON'T CARE IF THEY'RE REAL OR FAKE ANY MORE

CAN THE WEDNESDAY VIDEO JUST CONFIRM OR DENY SOMETHING ABOUT THE STARTERS SO WE CAN SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THEM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>28460820
Please, tip your fedora more. Sufficient proof has been given. The character has the same clothing and hair design. It's enough mallow iconography to spark this whole debate. The lack of the ladle is because it's an undetailed sketch which wouldn't translate the ladle well/isn't neccecary because its already pretty clear it's mallow. Ecpecially if this is concept art for the project of pokemon SM as everyone on the design team would be able to recognize it as mallow, as opposed to the other characters in the project.

>>28462914
>Implying denialfags won't have another 700 arguments when the middle evos are shown

alternate forms are confirmed though, what other secret could they have. Hopefully they fixed litten3s hands

>>28458283
Except it isn't
The Arrowl Bowtie thing is missing

Denialfags are the worst

>>28463134
>confirmed

>leakfags has become denialfags after they got BTFO
like pottery

>>28458272
>the thing that proves me wrong doesn't matter anymore

you sound just like the average tumblr user.

It's called fucking concept art not everything is going to stay the same. For all we know those starter designs are scrapped.

>>28458124
This has got to be bait.
Are you gonna tell me that the design of Ash's hat debunks these leaks when they included Mallow before her fucking reveal?

>>28458124
Okay.

I'm sorry you're looking for whatever minuscule detail you can to try and prove these things fake.