If these alola forms don't bring the gen 1 shitmon to OU

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>>28434961
>pallate

>>28434961
Game freak does not care about the competitive meta.

I don't think they will increase the base stat total.

>>28434961
Ninetales and Sandslash are walled by Steel types. They're not going to do well at all without important coverage considering their 4x weaknesses.

>>28434961
Ice/Fairy with Ninetales' stats could be UU at least, and I can see scarf tales as a check to Landorus-T

>>28435085
>UU
Not with that awful ability.

>>28435080
damn, I guess Charizard-X is shit

it's called having a Steel counter on your team

They won't and there isn't

>>28434961
>OU
>smogon rules
>we are pro but ban things because it's "not fun"
kys la kys you're shelf

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>>28435101

>Gets fucking Snow Cloak as an ability.
>Hidden Ability winds up being Snow Warning.
>But Game Freak won't have buffed hail.

>>28435085

>bullet punch

no hope

>>28434961
>Thinking GF cares about the competitive scene when its the same 4 pokemon in tournys

>>28434961
>gamefreak
>pretend meta

Do I need to explain this to you?

>>28435140
Wow, it's countered by Scizor and Lucario

truly worthless

>>28435141
>I only know the VGC 2016 memes

>>28435140

I wasn't aware that Landorus-T learned Bullet Punch.

>>28435101
Since regular Ninetales has Drought, Alolan Ninetales could have Snow Warning to form like a parallel between the two. I guess that's what anon was trying to say.

>>28435140
Nothing uses bullet punch in UU

>>28435122
>fire type
>walled by steels

nigga what the fuck is your example meant to be. mega charizard has fire blast and flare blitz.

>>28434961
>These thing shouldn't exist because it doesn't work well the specific way I play the game.

>>28435122
Charizard x hits every steel in the game for se damage. What are you talking about?

>>28435191
Azumarill or Mega Venusaur, then

>>28435135
Don't expect to see them in official tournaments or the higher parts of the VGC ladder either.

>>28435122
What are you even talking about? Charizard X and those guys aren't comparable, considering X can hit anything it wants barring Mega Altaria for the damage it needs.

>>28435191

a charizard x isn't going to have fire blast, but yeah, it definitely isn't helpless to steel, it also walls them somewhat.

>>28435236
>Mega Venusaur
>still relevant

even azumarill is kind of just being forgotten

UU is enough for me. Let's not forget, these are Gen 1 meh/shitmons we're talking about.

Anyway, anyone have ideas as to what HA these mons might have ? Ninetales is an easy gess.

>>28435237
>I don't like them so nobody is going to use them OR ELSE
keep your shitty threats for yourself, autist.

>>28434961
The point is that they're cool, you autist. Most people don't play competitively. More people will buy because they think ice Ninetales is neat, not because it might be in some competitive tier they don't know or care about. You don't matter.

>>28435010
>Game freak does not care about the competitive meta.
>Talonflame Priority Brave Bird sweeps meta
>Introduce fish with priority blocking ability
>Game freak does not care about the competitive meta.

>>28435254
i never said charizard x specifically because i was talking about the mega charizards in general.

not sure why the correction was necessary since i didn't say anything wrong but ok if it makes you feel better keep at it chum.

>>28435236
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 168-198 (43.7 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 96+ Def Thick Fat Mega Venusaur: 198-234 (54.5 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>28435325
It's not a threat, just my guess.
They both have awful defensive typings and practically nonexistent abilities, and their regular versions don't have very good stats.

>>28435080

I think it's safe to say Sandslash will probably get at least a couple ground moves. Hopefully Ninetales can still get some fire type moves through breeding, that'd be really cool, but I'm doubtful.

>>28434961
Pokemon don't exist merely for online battling anon, and they definitely aren't made just for the sake of Smogon.

>>28435362
You know that ability is just made to counter early game wild rattata spaming quick attack.

they already won marketing wise, pretend tiers are worthless in the market

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Is there any way Snowslash won't be completely irredeemable shit?

>Confirmed to be slower than Sandslash, but with higher defenses.
>Sandslash already has a pitiful 65 Speed stat.
>4x Weaknesses to both Fire and Fighting, as well as a 2x Weakness to Ground.
>Unlikely to have the kind of support movepool or recovery that allows a Pokemon like Ferrothorn to shine.
>Shit ability, would need an extremely useful Hidden Ability to compensate.

>>28435080
>garchomp is shit cuz ice beam exists
>genesect is shit cuz fire blast exists
>talonflame is shit cuz rock slide exists

you scrubs are eventually going to have to learn the basics of team play if you're ever going to figure out how pokemon works at a competitive level.

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>>28435472

Even you're not stupid enough to honestly believe that, anon.

>>28435522
You mentioned a bunch of very fast pokemon with great attack stats, abilities and moves. That's hardly the case for Ninetales and Sandslash.

>>28435504

When your speed is only 65, lowering it isn't even a negative, as you shouldn't be looking to outspeed opponents even at 80 speed nowadays.

Lowering the speed just makes gyro ball more powerful, and hopefully that speed will be totally minmaxed into attack or something

>>28435522
I think you just wanted to preach more than actually consider what I said.

If Steel types are switching in on these guys with ease, they're easily threatened to just die and do little work, considering the meta is centered on Steel.

>Mega Scizor switches in and takes nothing, threatens with BP/SDs on Sandslash
>Skarmory switches in, threatens with Iron Head
>Jirachi switches in, threatens with Iron Head
>Mega Metagross switches in, threatens with Meteor Mash
>Heatran switches in and takes dogshit damage, threatens with Lava Plume

>>28434961
What's with all those Alola forms having 4x weaknesses, though?

>Ninetales x4 weak to steel
>Sandslash x4 weak to fire and ground
>Exeggutor x4 weak to ice
>Rattata/ticate x4 weak to fighting

Perhaps they don't want them to completely outshine Kanto forms?

>>28435522
>garchomp, a pseudo legend that was uber two gens ago
>genesect, a legendary
>talonflame, the pokemon that would be shit without its OP ability

>>>>this is an """"""""equal comparison"""""" to

>alolan sandslash, a SLOWER version of sandslash with a shit ability and two common 4x weaknesses among others
>ninetales, an average pokemon with a shit ability

>>28435504
The only thing I can see is a new ability, Solid Ice and block Physical attacks. This way it only has to worry of Fire types cause there aren't that many special Ground users and the only special Fighting move used for coverage is Focus Miss and Aura Sphere already has bad distribution.

>>28435654
>Perhaps they don't want them to completely outshine Kanto forms?

They must be incredibly shitty for that to happen.

what a depressing thought

>>28434961
>Smogon has spoken
Enjoy your artificial "competitive" format.
Btw are you some teen, who needs to show "skill" in a childrens game to boost your ego?

>>28435504
It could potentially see some use on Trick Room teams, but I can't see it performing well anywhere else.

>>28435661
Ninetales will be one of two fast special attacking Ice types, and it has Fairy STAB. It's going to be at least a niche pick in OU.

>>28435654
It's a consequence of using rare and unused type combinations.

>>28435727
Even if Smogon didn't exist these pokemon would be far from "over used".

>>28435541
Dazzle probably won't even work on Gale Wings.

>>28435843
Why not? Gale Wings Brave Bird is treated like any other priority move, it's even blocked by quick guard.
Same goes for Prankster-boosted moves.

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>>28434961
>Playing OU

>>28435809
No, it's a consequence of mixing ice with anything.

>>28435010
I'd stay with gen 7 they're starting to care, but of course they won't make a very polished job, they're just that, starting to care.

Heck, they have absolutely no experience balancint shit, but it's a first step.

>>28434961
Anon, Game Freak will never care about whether a Pokémon being competitively viable. They greenlit Mega Audino and thought people would prefer special M-Salamence to physical despite it having a physical movepool and a higher Attack stat than Sp.Atk. They don't know or care about competitive.

>>28434961
I'm glad I don't play competitive. I play with all my shitmon and have fun.

>>28435969
Mega Salamence is almost always mixed in doubles

>>28435934
>Heck, they have absolutely no experience balancint shit, but it's a first step.
They've balanced for in game and casual vs., with hardcore competitive being an extension of what works best in casual vs.