Pokemon Sun and Moon, THE LORE THICKENS EDITION

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>>28320523
contributing

>>28320523
So is Lillie actually a 百合? brother and sistah.

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i dont know how much more of this i can take

>Captcha: Select all the flowers

>>28320523
>flower
oh shit?

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>>28320523
Im adding to this, in ORAS theres a character called zinnia and is named after the zinnia flower,

that flower symbolises thoughts of a missing friend which ties with zinnias character

>>28320523
Type: Null isn't the Pokemon's actual name. In Spanish, the creature is called Code Zero. It's UB-00.

It's real name will probably be revealed during the game. UB-01's name will probably be revealed as well

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>>28320729
Therefore the whole theme with flowers makes sense in sun and moon

>>28320738
it's taipo neru in japan

aka type: Null

>>28320603
SYNCHRO FOR ALL POKEMON

>>28320738
It's called Type: Null in japanese. No one cares about your third world poverty language.

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>>28320773

>>28320738
It's Type Null in Japanese and English

>>28320773
>Taipu: naru

Still doesn't mean it's the actual name, though.

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>>28320738
>It's called something else in some other language so it means it's legit!
Unless it's Japanese that's reaching hard.

>>28320603
>yfw Colress turned the father of Gladion and Lillie into Type:Null
>Evil Auntie and Evil Gramps were fine with this

>>28320523
>Dixio and Sina having mega bracelets

I hope this terrible meme ends. They're wearing z rings. Mega bracelets were on XY. Z rings are on S&M

>>28320820
So its the first pokemon to ever be introduced without an official species name. Whoa.

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>>28320523
IT ALL COMES TOGETHER

>>28320854
>believing this

>>28320773
>>28320810
>>28320823
>>28320830

Yes, and in English as well. It's translated as Code Zero in other languages. "Code Zero" was already copyrighted in the USA.

You're forgetting the message on every trailer:
>"Gameplay footage is not final."

In the battle, it's name was "Type: Null". However, think about this: what if it's only displayed as that, because the Rotom Pokedex doesn't know WHAT that thing is.

It's not the first time it's happened. Remember the gastlys and haunters were called "???" before the sliph scope

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>>28320854
you tell me, the fact that the two kalos characters are returning adds more credence to megas returning

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>>28320854
>Mega bracelets were on XY.
I hope this terrible meme ends.

>>28320223
>do RSE and ORAS occur at the same time roughly?
>because for all intents and purposes, RSE were around 10 or so years before the "present" (BW) so in that case, the meteorite would have landed?

From https://theinsightfulpanda.com/2014/12/30/poke-theory-the-multiverse-of-the-delta-episode/

>In Pokemon ORAS, Mega Evolution is a much more widespread occurrence whereas in Pokemon XY its an exceptionally rare thing that only a handful of Pokemon and Trainers have access to. Now yes, Pokemon ORAS was released after XY so that explains all the additional Mega Evolutions; but who’s to say that also doesn’t mean ORAS comes after XY story wise. Though if you want an added reason, you must simply travel to Slateport where some of the ship builders speak of building a ship using Kalos’s High Speed rail technology. If people in ORAS plan on using some of Kalos’ cutting edge tech then there is no way ORAS can take place – at the very least – 6 years before Pokemon XY.

>Whether ORAS comes after XY or these two games are concurrent to an extent, there are drastic differences between the Mega Universe Timeline and the Matsumiya’s (Normal) Timeline. As for where the series will go after this, probably a Mega version of Diamond/Pearl OR a new Black/White since we see The Royal Unova – the transport ship in Gen 5 – being built in the shipyard in ORAS. So despite Black&White not taking place in the Mega Universe yet, they – and other game additions – will probably take place after XY and ORAS.


I think ORAS takes place after X/Y and are not concurrent with R/S/E as supported by the greater prevalence of Mega Evolutions in Hoenn,

>>28320871
since the feathers on Type:Null's head seem metallic, I guess this confirmes the flying/steel woodpecker.

>>28320874
>believing megas are coming back
Face it. No more gyms and no more mega. GF realized it destroyed the meta

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>>28320055
>>28320543
>>28320574
Just bringing this over here.

>>28320961

she's purple not red

expect her Ace to be Mismagius if she become Wicked.

>>28320862
synthetic pokemon
they kinda left that out there

>>28320960
>two Kalos characters are returning

>mega evolutions were first introduced in kalos

>on their arms are what seem to be mega bracelets.

>this fucking post >>28320922

>>28320943
Wasn't it said somewhere that Mega Evolution was always just more widespread in Hoenn?

>>28320986

That's pink, not purple.

>>28320922
That reasoning is just as bad as the people who thought Battle Frontier was in ORAS

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>>28320918
I'm not saying that it's it's real name, but it's not an Ultra Beast.

It's implied that UBs are "not from this world". Type:Null was clearly made by Aether.

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>>28321013
it was removed becasuse of fucking masuda anon

>>28321005
>what seem to be mega bracelets.
ITS A GODDAMN Z RING BRACELET. THERE'S ALREADY PLENTY OF PICTURES OF THE Z RING BRACELET WITH AND WITHOUT Z CRYSTALS

What if Type: Null is an attempted clone of Arceus made by Aether, like Mewtwo was a clone of Mew made by Team Rocket

>It all comes together

What if Deoxys and the meteorite were intended to destroy the alternate timeline Hoenn? That would explain the much higher leveled Deoxys and the reason it purposefully changed the trajectory of the meteor to hit Hoenn. I guess the only other question is who would send it.....

>>28321054
It's probably neither, both bracelets tend to have patterns or objects on the side. Z-Ring Bracelet isn't completely smooth on all sides aside from the top.

>>28320523
Isn't it obvious he run off with Type:Null to escape his dad Colress. Team Skull is his way of going against his parents, Lillie's is probably to join the good guy players.

>>28321025
Oh okay, gotcha.

Well, one more thing to note:

1. How similar Gladion and the girl with the hat look.

2. Notice how similar UB-01 looks like the female with the hat (forgot her name).

3. Notice how similar Type:Null looks like Gladion.

I think there is a relation between the two characters.

>>28321057
Outside of le special events it seems harder to find Arceus than Mew

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>>28321054
YEAH IT DEFINITELY LOOKS LIKE A Z BRACELET.

except if you're fucking retarded

We need a theme. Can't think of proper one.

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>>28321088
It's a damn z ring bracelet

>>28320823
Who gives a shit about inferior english. Moon is were is at, burgers.

The fact that they're releasing Mega evo merch into next year, including stuff with SM branding should be enough evidence.

>>28321057
Mewtwo is an artificially altered Mew baby.

TR scientists impregnated a Mew and then experimented on the baby.

The Anime made Mewtwo a clone because it was a less gruesome story than TR killing Mama Mew and experimenting on a baby.

>>28321105
Her name is Lillie.

And this pretty fucking obvious that they're all related.

>>28321122
They look nothing like that. Their bracelets do not have concavities on the side for the missing Z-Crystals. Their bracelets are completely smooth.

>>28320826
But it is

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>>28320922
>post yfw they're just z-bracelets and sun/moon take place in the non-mega timeline

>>28320603
>the book cover and Z-Ring

IT ALL COMES TOGETHER

>>28320871
The jews are behind Aether

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>>28321122
if those two are wearing a Z bracelet where is the pointy triangular bit?

>>28320961
>rgy in japan
>b was only added for foreigners
>colress isn't alolan
DEEPEST LORE

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>>28321122
I would say you're are blind but that's obviously not true, so you're just retarded.

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>>28321054
Hey.
Anon.
Hey.
Megas are coming back.

>>28321188
Japan had all four

>>28320871
How does Lunaala fit into all of this?

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>>28321154
>post yfw they're just regular old bracelets and GameFreak is just rusing us.

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>>28321180
BTFO
T
F
O

>>28320823
>Type Null
>Topu Null

It was made to counter the Topus

>>28321222
They got blue only 3 years afterwards.

Does X/Y come after ORAS or before?
With no one knowing jack shit about Megastones in XY but its everywhere in ORAS, I would think its before but that doesnt really sound right.

>>28321222
Pokemon Blue didn't come out in japan until later.

>>28321255
This is also wrong, it was out the same year as Red/Green for CoroCoro subscribers.

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>He still thinks Megas are removed

>>28321296
After; See Mr. Bonding.

>>28321180
>>28321247
that picture shows that you activate the bracelet putting the stone, they aren't fighting so there's no reason to put that thing on

check mate

Tfw Ayy lmai is just Ditto's evolution

>>28321218
No they're not. If they were they would have announced 1 by now

Megas are the equivalent of pokemon following you HGSS. It was a feature we all liked and now it's gone. I'm sure you can use old mega stones from XY or ORAS or you won't be able to trade them over like the gems in BW

GF obviously is more interested in the new feature of Z Moves. Megas are old news

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>>28321249
It's Tapu, you memester.
And, actually, Tapu sounds closer to Type

>>28320729
In b4 Zinnia is some Dragon-type ultra beast

Or N is one. Hell that ghost Hex Maniac could be an ultra beast.

Hopefully this doesn't become Nanomachines tier silly.

>>28321336
no new megas, but they are there for everyone thats had one before.

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>>28321312
Im talking about this trianglar bit anon, show me where it is on the two trainers.

protip: you fucking cant

>>28321238
It doesn't! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Moonfags, no, MoonKEKS = BTFO

MOONBABBY MOONBABBY STUPID MOOOOONBABBYYYYYY hahahahaha!!!

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>>28321312
That doesn't actually disprove anything.
The pointy bits don't just pop up out of thin air when you use a Z Stone.

>>28321336
They are not adding new Megas, that's pretty much granted. But Megas are indeed returning: they are still featured on 2017 to-be-released products catalog. I think you're just being too pessimistic.

>>28321338
I wouldn't count on any similarities. Type: Null is still タイプ・ヌル "Type Null" in Japan whereas Tapu Koko is called カプ・コケコ "Kapu Kokeko."

>>28321392
XDDDDDDD

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>>28321336
They haven't announced Megas because SM's main gimmick is Alolan Pokemon, but that doesn't mean they aren't on the game.

>>28321405
I am being pessimistic. I'm still mad GF didn't re introduce pokemon following you

>>28321255
>Red/Green JP Release 02/27/96
>Blue JP Release 10/15/96
>Yellow JP Release 09/12/98

When localizing the games for the west, they used Blue as a base since it fixed several glitches, and applied the Red and Green encounter tables to it. They kept Blue instead of Green because marketing felt Blue would be more appealing to the west.

>>28321391
fucking this and just to add the bracelets the two trainers are wearing dont have the point upwards bit.

>>28321391

>>28321416
More evidence the Tapu aren't legendaries

>>28321453
meant for

>>28321400

>>28321391
>>28321400
that part is there for pure aesthetics, not all the bracelets should have it

>>28321460
How so? They're officially recognized as the island guardians, a reputation that all but confirms a legendary status.

>>28321446
Following Pokemon wasn't that great and really can't be compared to Megas anyways since Following Pokemon was a last minute addition and just reused assets.

>>28321445
I don't know why on earth you expect GF to reintroduce something you love. They make all their decisions based off pissing off the majority of their fans.

That alone has made me realize they couldn't possibly introduce new Megas. Just like Mega Houndoom, pinsir, and Scizor are never getting plushies :'(

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>>28321336
>Megas take a step back from the spotlight to highlight the new feature in Sun/Moon
>New Megas/forms/Z-moves will be featured throughout in-between gen game(s)
How do people not get this after this long? They stuffed ORAS full of new megas, so what's stopping them from doing so this gen?

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So I've got a couple other things that I'm just going to list off that I don't think has been brought up yet.

XY/ORAS/SM time line.

ORAS has Steven reference that he met Alan and his Charizard. If the ORAS timeline is actually connected in some way to the animeverse, what if the 5 heroes that Sina and Dexio mention aren't the group from the games. But Ash, Serena, Clemont, Bonnie, and Alan. Which, if this were to be true, could lead to us learning more about the sundial,purpose, and what it's capable of in 2 weeks. The Megalith is connected to the Anistar Sundial in some way.

It's far fetchted, but if AshGreninja is in the game and is called that name, it has weight added to the argument,

>>28321531
Because Alolan forms

>>28321504
>THAT PART IS THERE FOR AESTHETICS GUISE

so you can't prove me wrong now and now you're moving goal posts.

>>28321530
But Anon plenty of people hate Megas so that means they're totally getting in. :^)

>>28321541
Bonnie is not a trainer.

>>28321238
There's some lore from the same sort of alchemical origins that has a bat, and it shares origins with the lion that eats the sun. I can't seem to find it though. I keep getting Skyrim mods and some android game called Little Alchemy.

>>28321578
Manon then, the reason I used Bonnie was because of her connection with Zygarde.

>>28321541
>It's far fetchted, but if AshGreninja is in the game and is called that name, it has weight added to the argument,
Just like when you get event Pokemon that have the OT be a character from the anime, right? I don't think that checks out, anon.

>>28321432
t. buttblasted moonloser

me = WINNER

you = grandefag

>>28321507
Significantly different Japanese/English names, kept distinct from legendaries on the Japanese site. I don't think they are.

>>28321569
No they just hate mega salamence and kangamom

>>28321541
>ORAS has Steven reference that he met Alan and his Charizard.
[Citation Needed]

These threads are fun, but what is it with the fucking legit idiots comparing plasma to team skull and the aether guys?
That's just fucking retarded, and missing the entire point of what we're doing. Colress is the main link here, non of that other shit adds up at all.

Posting shit like
>Oh god, team skull wear black and whtie clothing! It's similar!
When they're nothing alike is cringe worthy. Stay on fucking topic with the alchemy shit etc

>Ash is an Ultra Beast and that's why he doesn't age

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>>28321552
I don't think we're going back to Alola after Sun/Moon r-right? They surely won't pull a gen 2 on us...

>>28321541
Or, you know, You, Shauna, the other protag, Tierno and the red head in XY.

>Type Gems as Z-Crystals
>Colress
>Black and White being the opposite of Rainbow (Sun and Moon's codename)
>Team Skull's color being Black and Aether's main color being White
>Neo Team Plasma grunts looking similar to Team Skull's

Any other connections between Sun and Moon and Black and White?

>>28321504
oh, the classic backpedaling meme

>>28321554
archie has a fucking anchor for his mega evolutions and you expect all the z moves to be the exact same bracelets for every single being on the planet?
cling more to your logic if that makes you feel secure about your obsolete mechanic

>>28321627
>I'll blow your mind
Team skulls S logo is a skull

>>28321611
And Charizard.
And Lucario.
And Gengar.
And Slobro.
And Rayquaza.

What if the rings simply work the fucking same? It doesn't make any sense for they to take out megas so I guess they can simply pull something like Dexio and Sina saying "let us activate the mega-ring function on your Z-ring!".

>>28321625
http://legendsoflocalization.com/did-pokemon-omega-rubyalpha-sapphire-just-suddenly-reference-alain/

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my awful attempt

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>>28321625
http://legendsoflocalization.com/did-pokemon-omega-rubyalpha-sapphire-just-suddenly-reference-alain/

>>28321552
>Shaymin-Sky and Giratina-Origin
>Kyurem-B and Kyurem-W
>Megas and Primals
It's not like this is a new concept or anything. Megas didn't stop Game Freak from making new forms (Primals are closer to Giratina-Origin than to Mega Rayquaza) and Alola Forms won't stop them from making Megas. They just aren't focusing on them right now, like how XY introduced no new forms because the focus was on Megas.

>>28320738
Type: Null simply means that there's nothing for it. Blank code. It's the pokedex trying uselessly to register that thing

>>28320523
Gladion's shoulders look like litten3

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>>28321627
This.
Might as well add team rocket to the conspiracy list at this point.

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>>28321649
It's more then likely this, it's just a "what if" idea.

>>28321603
I was thinking more along the lines if it wasn't an event type mon, but owned by a NPC in the game who you can interact with.

>>28321625

>>28321687
SHIIIIT NIGGA

>>28321679
>>28321687
Red had a Mega Charizard too, this means nothing.

>>28321054
There are no crystals on the side. Stop sperging out, autist.

>>28320763
CARLOOOSS

Oh wait

>>28321609
True, that does put in a little bit of a dent, but their role seems to suggest otherwise. It's a bit similar to the debatable statuses of other "legendaries", like Volcarona's when BW came out, or Phione's status as a mythical.

>>28321336
>Megas are the equivalent of Pokemon following you in HGSS
Right a battle mechanic that changed the meta is the same as a fucking superficial gimmick from HGSS.

Alola seems connected to multiple regions...

Unova... Kalos... Hoenn...

All three of these regions are very mysterious and have loose ends to them... Could Alola tie them togther.

"It all comes together".

God damn, I just remembered the autistic video that one guy put out that "these are the last pokemon games" because alchemy

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>>28321666
Well thats because the mega stone is singular, the Z ring holds multiple Z crystals,

so satan, show me where the other holes for the Z crystals are if the two trainers are wearing a Z ring?

protip you fucking cant

>>28321750
There's no mega stone

>>28321713
So do the female player character's shoes...

OTP

>>28321312
You are entirely incorrect.

>>28321778
>replying to yourself

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>flower theme in Gen VII characters
>ultimate weapon is a flower

>>28321770
You're talking about a blurry picture of a bracelet in a game with really bad polygons on a 3ds

>>28321771
You know the Pokemon holds the Mega Stone, right?
The word you're looking for is Keystone.

You can stop pretending to be retarded now.
You've already proven that you're really not pretending.

>>28321738
Red never met Steven. What is described in that dialogue is exactly what happens in the anime.

Megalith and all, so it wouldn't be wrong to assume that the Megalith could be in the game verse. And if that's the case, whatever happens during the 1 hour finale on the 15th could give us clues as to what happened in Kalos and the ORAS/XY timeline.

Also Zygarde in Alola. If there are multiple Zygarde then sure, but the 2 cores that live in Kalos in the anime haven't had their fate decided yet. For all we know they could be sent to Alola at the end of the series.

>>28321767
Pokémon won't end because of money.

But it's all but confirmed that the games will have Alchemy themes.

>>28321771
You cannot seriously be that retarded.

I'm done. Closing the tab before you start REEEEEEing at me.

>>28321738
Has Red had an instance of fighting Rayquaza alongside Steven?

>>28321806
I'm glad I'm not this autistic because you knew exactly what I was talking about

>>28320820
Type: Null in Spanish is "Tipo: Nulo". So it'd make perfect sense in Spanish. It's just that the Spaniards are pants-on-head retarded when it comes to translating media to their language.

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>>28321805
>THE PICTURE IS BLURRY GUISE

>>28320922
Well show me where the other holes are, guess what you fucking cant

For God's sake, this is a lore thread. Not a place where people should argue over what accessory an NPC has on their wrist.

You want to make an argument about it, take it to another thread.

>>28321846
The only people who believe there are new Megas are redditors

>>28321813
>>28321837
Has Alan even gone to Hoenn? I don't watch the anime but I know it's not taking place there.


Really doesn't make any sense why they would reference Anime when that hasn't ever been Canon in the games.

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>>28321879
>The only people who believe there are new Megas are redditors

But I didn't even mention new megas, now you're moving goalposts

>>28321876

>The bracelets aren't lore-relevant

>>28320961
>Actually took the time to recolor the diamond on Colress to yellow

I KEK

>>28321897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glCn1FTmjA0

>>28321917
This isn't football

>>28321876
t. the samefag who keeps getting proven wrong about the mega bracelets.

>>28321897
Yes.

Alan goes to Hoenn with Manon and there he meets and battles Steven.

He then goes with Steven and Lysander to look for a mythical Megalith which gives off lots of Mega Energy. Rayquaza guards it and Alan and Steven fight it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pBnLTurCXY

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>>28321955
You still didn't show me where the other holes are at.

Looks like im done

>>28321830
No shit sherlock. It was a cool video except
>hurr, it's ending guise

>>28321897
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9tnhynpWD0

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>>28321876
Two fangroups have already ruined these threads.
>Kalos shitters sperging out about mega's
>Unova shitters grasping at straws to make their games relevant to S&M by saying stupid shit like the plasma grunts and skull grunts are the same


We had a good thing going with linking Colress to aether, that doesn't mean B&W or plasma has anything to do with them. At all. Plasma's ideals were completely different to what Colress wanted, and he's even stated that fact.

Stop trying to link shit that isn't there.

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>>28321876
it's just a samefag who got proven wrong on every count

>>28321805

You're talking about the two assistants of the Professor whose specialty is mega evolution. Them having bracelets doesn't confirm megas, but they're still mega bracelets.

>>28321897

It was a nod to the anime and it only appears if you have the shiny beldum that Steven has in the anime. It was a purposeful reference to Alain. That doesn't mean he'll ever appear in the games though.

>>28321541
>We're going to battle Dexio and Sina
OH SHIT

>>28322034
No theyre not. That was a long time ago for them during XY. Now they have Z Ring Bracelet. The thing exclusive to S&M

>>28321897
Yeah he visited Hoenn and met steven there.

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>>28321948
>>28321974
>>28321986
>>28322034
Well shit, I don't know what to say man.

Seems like a odd time to finally acknowledge the anime's existence in the games.

And before you say Pokemon Yellow, that game is barely anything like the Anime and in fact it probably makes more sense that GSC's Red is also Yellow's Red since he was Pikachu AND the Kanto Starters.

>>28321924
Mega Evolution as a whole is relevant, but only because it's what's separating the timelines between RSE and ORAS.

>>28321963
>>28322015
I honestly couldn't care less about what these guys are wearing. Mega Bracelets? Then Megas get carried over, no sweat. Z-rings? Then the metagame gets reconstructed again, just like it did when X and Y comes out.

>>28322080
>it's a Z bracelet

I love this meme >>28320922

>>28322091
I don't think too much of it, it's probably just a cool easter egg

>>28322080
>Long time ago
How do you know that?

>>28322178
They've aged

>>28320603
>Universe X/Y Colress confirmed

Dis gon b gud

Calling it now, Lusamine is Gladion's mother. He stole Type:Null from Aether's labs

>>28322091

Yellow isn't the only time

They do it all the time.

The Japanese version of Platinum had an entire route filled with trailers based on various movie characters. PWT had a Unova Anime League downloadable mission featuring various characters Ash fought.

They fucking plan them in advanced with the movie distributions. Like with Notch-Eared Pichu.

Hell Lugia was made specifically for the second movie at the directors request.

Only sperglords don't grasp that it happens all the fucking time. They're not isolated creatures. Pokemon is a multimedia brand. They work as a team more often than not.

>>28322198
For how long though?

Keep in mind that they aren't using similar models, so you can't accurately predict how much older they've gotten just from the models alone.

>>28322198

They only look older because they're not chibi models anymore.

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>>28322198
>they've aged

>he doesn't know that pokemon XY and ORAS uses chibi models

>>28322223
WOW, nobody has thought of that one yet, good thinking

After the disasters of ORAS and XY, I have little faith in Gamefreak's ability to do competent storytelling.

Aether will be the good guys , and Ultra Beasts will just be accidents in their experiments that Team Skull will be behind.

Colress wont be mentioned a single time.

>>28322268

Team Skull is a band of rejects and misfits.

They're not fucking scientists.

>>28321010
yes, mainly because Hoenn has a lot of meteor showers

Space rocks that have been affected by the Ultimate Weapon lazer rain down on Hoenn and become Mega Stones

>>28322237
I don't know that's why I was being vague

>>28321136
>TR scientists impregnated a Mew and then experimented on the baby.
In the game universe there's no prove at all Team Rocket had anything to do with Mewtwo and Mew.

All we know is Fuji and likely some other scientists did it, maybe Blaine as well, since he and Fuji are seemingly friends.

>>28321597
>google
>'symbolises androgyne and stands for the hermaphrodite in alchemy'
Lunala confirmed for trans.

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>>28322228
>sperglords
You mean people who aren't in the know about every little thing Pokemon related.

I honestly didn't know about most of this shit and just assumed Game canon, Anime canon, and Manga canon were all separate.

>>28322268

nice pasta >>28315231

>>28321136
>>28322308
>TR killing Mama Mew and experimenting on a baby.
Also Its heavily implied that the Mew on Faraway Island is that mother Mew, Fuji hid her away there, so she was never killed.

>>28322306
"Long time ago" isn't exactly that vague.
It could have just been a year ago for all we know.

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>>28321188
hawaii is an american state, unova is america.

>>28322358
Grasping at straws dude

>>28322373
Alola isn't actually Unova though.

>>28322321

They are but the game still gives various nods to the anime. Yet so many people cry that Gamefreak would never give the anime attention despite all the times they do.

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>>28322384
Says the one making baseless assumptions about the date in which Sun and Moon takes place in.

We don't know shit, and until we do your argument has nothing to stand on.

>>28322373

Unova is New York. It's not the full US region.

Orre is another US region.

>>28322443
That wasn't the point I was making

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>Cyrus an older more cynical and private man deeply infatuated with technology has blue hair unlike his blonde grandparents, ran an organization to create his own universe by harnessing the true potential of the three lake spirits diamond jewels to summon Dialga and Palkia so they could create him his own dimension free of evil, Giratina took him in and was last seen in the Distortion World that has portals to the real world every few minutes thanks to Giratina and other anomalies

>Colress, a younger more agile with quirky attitude towards people and technology has yellow hair with a blue streak, created higher potential devices for using pokemon potential even further, helped rotom become a translator for trainers but probably so he could read ancient writing and understand elders and other ancient creatures, studies abroad on multidimensional travel

>Colress
>Cyrus
>blue hair, blonde parents
>same face and eyes
>searching for true potential in pokemon to serve humans
>looking to perfect multidimensional exploration
>both involved with rotom

>yfw Cyrus traveled with Giratina forming a bond for data and to learn about dimension travel while teaching his younger self everything he learned

>>28320523
I'm the one who made this fucking colress thread >>28301724

Holy shit it blew up FUCKING HELL

>>28322485
It was though.

You were implying that since the events of XY took place "a long time ago" that they would have moved on from Megas, but we don't know when Sun and Moon take place. It could be a month, a years, even five years.

>>28322429
Zygarde Core, Cell, 10% and 100% form were also introduced in the anime before the games. Which, again is almost unheard of for the series. AshGreninja's appearance has yet to remain, but again the anime to some degree can, I repeat, CAN, have an effect on the games.

The chuuni posing also took off in the anime way before the games did. Which could be thanks to the synchro that Ash has.

>>28322529

And we sure as fuck don't know that they're no longer working for Sycamore.

Also the two of them having mega bracelets doesn't even confirm megas. It's just a nod to Kalos.

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>>28322496
The only trait that makes it really questionable is Cyrus has blue eyes. Colress has yellow/green eyes.

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>>28320871

Here's a bit of possibly related lore.

We all know Silph Co. What most don't know is what it's named after.

>The Swiss German physician and alchemist Paracelsus first coined the term sylph in the 16th century to describe an air spirit in his overarching scheme of elemental spirits associated with the four Classical elements.

>>28320854
>on
Can you tell me what region you live in? I've always been curious as to where people grow up who use that word like that. Both on and in are acceptable, but I've literally never heard someone use the word on in that way in real life. Is this a UK thing?

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>>28322557

not the anon you're talking two but

>Also the two of them having mega bracelets doesn't even confirm megas. It's just a nod to Kalos.

>Just because it's there doesn't mean its true

>>28322565
Hmm, perhaps an alternate version like ORAS/RSE

>>28322557
>And we sure as fuck don't know that they're no longer working for Sycamore.
That doesn't discredit my argument. In fact they could easily be on field duty for Sycamore.
>Also the two of them having mega bracelets doesn't even confirm megas. It's just a nod to Kalos.
That really doesn't make much sense when IIRC they didn't even have Megas nor did they ever actually battle you.
Seems pretty contrived for just an Easter Egg.

>>28322537

The Zygarde stuff is a bit more iffy. We see Pokemon debut in the anime before the game all the time.

Lugia being created for the anime however as confirmed by the director of the second movie.

When plotting the second movie they decided to use Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres because they didn't have much else so he asked Gamefreak if he could create a Pokemon based on the deep sea currants.

Gamefreak OK'd it, though they likely did the final design for Lugia he was created to be used in the second movie first.

http://www.style.fm/as/05_column/shudo186.shtml

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>>28322633

I want megas back but them having bracelets doesn't outright confirm you get one. It could easily just be a nod. Not like they haven't waved something in front of our face before.

Now that round notch on the back of the Z-Bracelet on the other hand? That pretty much fucking confirms it.

>>28321053

>Removed

That's not how that works

They never put it in

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>>28322319
What the fuck am I looking at

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>>28322496

>same face and eyes

Someone drank the fucking Kool-Aid. All of it.

>>28322724
then what if battle frontier returns just like the leaks imply .

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>>28321336
>It was a feature we all liked

>>28322659
>Ho-Oh was going to be in Gen One but got scrapped
>Lugia got the OK probably because they didn't think they'd get to a second generation
>When they finally got to making Gold and Silver they basically just went "fuck it lets just use these two random Pokémon" and built everything around it
I kinda love how that turned out.

>>28321053
it wasn't removed, it was never put in, because ORAS was a cash-in that they made in a year.

--->tumblr

>>28322659

Either there's a mistranslation or Shudo is full of shit.

Missingno implies Lugia was one of the cut Gen 1 Pokemon. GS was originally set to come out nearly a year before the second movie.

>>28321552

Name one Alolan-form Pokemon that has a Mega Evolution.

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>>28322496

>>28321627
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE X'S?

>>28322835
I don't think Lugia was one of the cut mons, I know Ho-Oh was.

>>28322778
Especially because they managed to make it look like an intentional Suzaku/Seiryu thing in Kyoto.

>>28322835

GS also has a lot of botched beta designs that were shown off to the public, and a highly rocky production period when it comes to Pokemon designs.

And Missingno implies a lot of things. It implied Khangaskhan was getting a preevolution too but that clearly wasn't happening.

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Plant names haven't been really relevant to characters, but I could mention trends by groups in the newest game.
Team skull has members named after foreign, but profitable and widely cultivated decorative plants in Hawaii brought in post foreign contact.

Guzma: Guzmania Bromeliads
Plumeria: Plumeria Trees
Gladion: Gladiolus Orchids

Unlike most introduced post contact plants, these are profitable and generally harmless to the native environment comparably.

>>28322852
>dialga and palkia being bound by arceus rings
>Null is also bound by something similar

>>28322928

It seems to be more relevant recently than before. It could just be due to how Ohmura names characters compared to past directors given that the relevant ones seem to be his creations.

>>28322800
Was this intended to be a response to something?

>>28322928
this pretty much adds to >>28320523

>>28323009
The whole thread

>>28323030
How is this tumblry?

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>>28322929

>Implies that the rings are binders/limiters
>Arceus placed a limiter on itself
>The Arceus we knew was a severely weakened version all along
>Arceus can remove it to go God-mode.

>>28321309
>Mega Glalie
>Charizard
Is he coming back to Ash?

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>>28323030
>HURR DURR THEORIES ARE TUMBLR

do yourself a favour and kill yourself

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>>28322496
>>28322852

>FRLG/RSE happen
>HGSS/DPPt then occur
>Cyrus gets yanked into the Distortion World via the Griseous Orb and Giratina
>Due ot being stuck there possibly only with Giratina and nothing else but the other two magic legendary pokemon rocks, develops ways to move between dimensions at different times
>Encounters a younger version of himself in another dimension, encourages him to focus on the development of Pokemon's potential
>This Cyrus becomes Colress
>Colress realizes he can't do this alone
>With the help of Cyrus's time travel/dimension hopping, he creates two separate instances of the Aether Foundation, who wish to study and improve Pokemon
>This becomes the "sponsor" group that allows for the various Pokemon professors to come around
>They're all very aware of Cyrus and his plans
>In order to create a stable time loop, Cyrus enlists Rowan's help in order to help his original self find the Lake Trio (hence why he's the one observing Lake Verity)
>Cyrus lets Rowan know it's to help develop Pokemon's potential
>Pic related for quote on this
>Rowan uses this opportunity to set up the necessary "Opposition" needed to build up Cyrus
>Encourages Lucas/Dawn to lure out the Lake Trio, starting with Mesprit
>Cyrus was probably really close with Rowan in general, really, given he also let slip his interest in Rotom
>Rowan is the one who speaks to Lucas/Dawn after Rotom takes over an appliance for the first time
>Rowan most likely tells this to Colress
>Colress uses Rotom's appliance-posession ability to make the Rotom Pokedex
>Uses the ORAS/XY/SM dimension as the testing grounds for all these newly developed theories

tl;dr
THE AETHER PROJECT IS THE PROFESSOR ILLUMINATI AFTER CYRUS MADE HIS FAILED CULT
HIS CLOSEST ALLIES ARE A YOUNGER VERSION OF HIMSELF, COLRESS, AND ROWAN
THE PROFESSORS HAVE BEEN MANIPULATING YOU AT EVERY TURN, THE MOST OBVIOUS CASE OF THIS IS ROWAN

This is not my idea but...
What if you get Type: Null by transferring Missingno to Pokebank?

>>28323125
Source on Rotom stuff by the way

Rowan says all this to you after Rotom takes over an appliance for the first time:

"Ah, imagine finding you here! You must be eager to fill your Pokédex to be searching even here. What am I doing? I visit a professor I know in Eterna every so often. He tells me intriguing rumors of rare Pokémon sightings and such."
"A Pokémon that slips into electric appliances, you say... Hmm... That is somewhat off from what I've heard about it. Hmm... This is what I've heard. Long ago, there was a Pokémon that merged with a toy robot. Should that Pokémon be recognized as a new species or not... Debates over the issue were about to start when they were rendered moot. The very topic of discussion--the Pokémon-infused robot--disappeared..."
"Anyway, this Rotom... What an interesting Pokémon. So, you say it enters an appliance and essentially merges with the device. In the process, it may also learn new moves. In a way, I suppose it could be thought of as a mechanical Pokémon. Hmm...! Though it is utterly unique, it is undeniably a form of Pokémon. Fine, fine, so be it! No matter how old one gets, there will always be new Pokémon discoveries! Take care, <player>!"

>>28321336
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence anon

>>28323125
>>28323161
>Cyrus used Rowan to use the protag from D/P/Pt to make sure he's always able to get into the Distortion World and kickstart his plans
Holy fucking shit why does this work

Fucking interdimensional jews

>>28323125

But Rotom isn't linked to Cyrus.

It's linked to Pluto's Childhood.

Both Lillie and Gladion are flower names

>>28323125
>ENERGY FROM EVOLUTION
>AZ'S ULTIMATE WEAPON REQUIRES THE SAME ENERGY THAT CAUSES MEGA EVOLUTIONS
>WHICH IN TURN CREATED MODERN MEGA STONES
>CYRUS LITERALLY WENT BACK IN TIME AND USED ALL THESE FUTURE FOUNDINGS TO CONVINCE AZ TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE WEAPON THAT ALLOWED FOR THE CHANGE IN THE ORAS TIMELINE THAT ALLOWED FOR COLRESS TO EVEN HAPPEN

WHAT
THE
FUCK

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>>28323286
>He didn't read the story in Rotom's room about Cyrus playing with the toy robot that would be possessed by Rotom

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>>28323056
LET THE SHACKLES BE RELEASED

ORAS AND XY WAS JUST A SETUP

>>28323367
I always thought it was charon's diary, not cyrus's.

>Cyrus literally made a recurring time loop that sets off the events of every Pokemon game

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I
FUCKING
CALLED
IT
YOU
FUCKING FAGGOTS
BUT NOOOOOOOOO
NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE ME

>>28323286
>>28323386
Charon wrote a note but the story belongs to an unknown character

>>28321350
Nah, the draconids used UBs to peer into different dimensions.

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>>28323376

reminder that BW was shit but then BW/2 showed a vast improvement and was better

the same is happening with this gen,
XY and ORAS were both shit however S&M will show a vast improvement

>>28323386
It fits perfectly with Cyrus. Originally he was a much more optimistic child according to his grandfather, but was lonely due to his own parent's judgement. Having an outlet for emotion like Rotom would be a perfect thing, especially when it was taken by several professors, and their arguing made it vanish. This, plus his parent's judgement/rejection makes him give up all emotion, turning him into the man we see today.

>>28323396
MOTHERFUCKER THAT'S JUST A SIDE-PRODUCT OF CYRUS FUCKING UP TIME AND SPACE

>>28322256
While they haven't aged, he's right about S&M occurring after XY. Mainly because they refer to its events in the past tense.

We just don't know how far along it is.

>>28323461
I DON'T CAAAAAARE
I WAS RIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE. EVERY FUCKING TIME I TRIED TO PREDICT WHAT SOMETHING WAS GOING TO BE I WAS ALWAYS WRONG

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So, where does Team E fit into all of this?

gamefreak just dropped a nuclear bomb filled with lore.

Lorefags are wet for this

I want to see grown-up Shauna. I don't think my dick will hold.

>>28323456
B/W =B/W2 They have own problems and adventages

>>28323518
Colress wanted them to get Primal Reversion, which is another example of Mega Energy.

>>28323535

Isn't it great?

>>28323535
DEEPEST LORE threads are one of my favorite things about this board, they're always a blast to read and partake in.

>>28323518
HOLY FUCK REMEMBERED THAT WE STILL HAVE SEA MAUVILLE TO FIT IN!!

>>28323370

God dammit, ALVIS GET OVER HERE PLEASE.

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Kukui, Hau, and Hala are all named after important polynesian trees. That they normally brought over along with a shit ton of other plants on island colonization voyages and spread across the Pacific.
Note that Hau and Hala extremely recently have been found to have actually have made it to Hawaii on their own pre-polynesian contact due to being in the sub-fossil layer before that period. This is probably irrelevant.
Another similarity the plants share is that they are all relatively coastal and dry, but they can grow up into the mountains. Hawaiians favored the trees so they cultivated all three of them.

Kukui, also known as candle nut, was extremely important to the polynesians in that it was their primary fuel source, and it could generally sustain a flame so that it could be used as a candle. It was believed to be the physical form of the boar god, and the oily film could be used to view underwater when fishing. Other than that, it has some food and medicinal properties, but everything has those.

Hau is a hibiscus tree. It was generally a good woodworking plant. Canoes, cordage, resisted rot, practice spears, kite beams, flowers strung into leis, etc. Nothing really special.

Hala trees were also all around useful. The fruit could be used as horrible starchy food. The spined leaves were used for thatching. General medicinal and woodworking use. Seeds were strung into leis, etc.

>>28323535
The stuff that anon posted about Cyrus is still fucking freaking me out

Especially since I just realized Colress is such an arrogant fuck who just wants to science because he was actually enabled in his academic efforts by the original Cyrus, something his parents never did for him

Literally lilo and stitch

>hawaii
>ayyliums
>experiments
>numbered specimens

>>28323518
primal reversion anon and that is a different type of mega energy

>>28323456
>ORAS
>Shit
>IT DIDN'T HAVE THE FRONTIER WAAAAH

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Right, Kukui is also the state tree. That's also important. The triggerfish that bruxish is probably based on is another form of the boar god.

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>>28323608
>DEEPEST LORE
DEEPEST LORE
>DEEPEST LORE

>>28323557
>>28323649
>COLRESS USES PRIMAL REVERSION AS EVIDENCE MEGA ENERGY CAN BE HARNESSED WITHOUT MEGA STONES
>THIS IS HOW Z-MOVES START
HOLY
FUCKING
FUCK

>>28323076
After you special snowflake

>rotom
>colress
>team PLASMA
>>28322852
>Cave near hometown in B2/W2
>deepest part leads to sinnoh
>empty cave with lake spirit designs with each legendary occasionally appearing for a challenge
>inb4 deepest part is DW or some dimensional portal
>or chamber of literal emptiness
GAMEFREAK

>>28322091
>Seems like a odd time to finally acknowledge the anime's existence in the games.
It's just an easter egg attached to the event.
Chronologically, the Mega evolution special can't happen in the gameverse.

My memory is a bit rusty
Was lore discussion ever this great in the past?

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>>28320603

>>28323684
>wah theories must be tumblr related?

you first

GUYS!

>>28321866
>>28321866

>>28323048
The way that you faggots are writing with that retarded teen emotion is the same that the retarded fucks in that site

Disgusting. Fucking manbabies

>>28323703
As of gen 6 the lore potential has reached untold heights.

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>>28323716

>>28323703
The Team E lore threads were GOAT as Zinna, Dracnoids, and Team E were discussed and the alternate timelines were discussed in depth.

>>28323722
DENIAL FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>28323703
We never got the idea of dimension hopping confirmed before. It was sort of what helped put everything together.

Oh, by the way, Draconids were confirmed as early as Gen IV. Wilma has to be one, she's known as Grandma Wilma (Zinnia's only known relative is her grandmother) and is the one that teaches Draco Meteor to well-trained Dragon Types.

>>28323756
R34 WHEN
W
H
E
N

>>28323720
" GUUYSS LOOK THIS DESIGN IS SO COOL"
"YAAASS"
"DEEPEST LORE DEEPEST LORE"

Kil yourselves

>>28323741
>Complaining about manbabies
>On a 4chan board for a children's video game

Does anyone else feel like Faba is related to Guzma in some way?

>>28323703
No.
It's always been the best part of /vp/ though.

◇ Lying on the ground is a white notebook with a gold symbol on the cover.
◇ Give it a read?
Yes No
◇ You picked up the notebook and read it.
◇ The following is written in beautiful, cursive handwriting.
◇ All the creatures around here suck.
◇ We need to make 'em cooler.
◇ So the theme will be:
-Tougher!
-Rougher!
-Badder!
◇ We'll mix and match this and that to create whole new things no one's ever seen before!
◇ I dub it the "Fascinating Chimera Project".
◇ Let's reconstruct and modify stuff slowly and steadily.
◇ Got an Aether Foundation Notebook!

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>>28323756
N-no words...

>>28323518
it will all be revealed in Delta Emerald

So, does anyone else think that Ultra Beasts will have something to do with Infinity Energy?
After all DE already hinted at it having abilities to warp time and space.

>>28323793
I came just to make sure you read this. Drink bleach

>>28323643
It wouldn't surprise me if they took influence from Lilo & Stitch, it was popular as fuck in Japan, to the point of even getting an anime.

>>28323803
>Multiverse exists not because of Mega Evolution, but because of Colress/Cyrus time fuckery
>You enter Colress' base
>BW2 Protag hat is in the room

>>28323841
Struck a nerve, didn't I? Reality really fuckin' hurts, doesn't it?

>>28323864
Hahaha sure tumblr. Great defense mechanism

He's going to have a Jungmo-o for sure right?

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>>28323785

>>28323891
Says the one who immediately says "DRINK BLEACH KILL YOURSELF REEEEEEEE" when it's pointed out Pokemon is a VIDEO GAME MEANT FOR CHILDREN

>>28320871
Why in Hawaii tho

>>28323785
>STOP BEING INTERESTED IN THE ONLY THING ABOUT POKEMON THAT REQUIRES THOUGHT ANYMORE
>IT'S BLOCKING OFF MY DONUT THREADS, WAIFU THREADS, FAKEMON THREADS, AND EVERY OTHER SHITPOST ON THIS BOARD

Does anyone have caps of the ORAS lore threads?

>>28323938
Lilo and Stitch

>>28323938
Same reason the Norse mythology shit is in France.

>>28323971
I loved the Sea Mauville lore threads

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Jangmo-o is apparently a combination of the Chinese word Jang meaning brave and mo'o which is Hawaiian for lizard or their equivalent of dragon. They are seducing water spirits in mythology who'd then kill you most of the time. The seduction bit feels more like something that they tacked onto salandit, but Jangmo-o does have a heart on its head.

>>28323910
>le rated E means for children fallacy

>>28323841
>I came just to make sure you read this.
What does your jizz have to do with reading?

>>28324055
It was originally 3+ in japan, now 7+
The most recent promotional trailer for Pokemon S&M was about children
Pokemon is a video game for children. Cry louder, you won't become an adult any time soon.

>>28324098
7+ is the bare minimum for a human to understand the basics and enjoy the gameplay, they have ths show for children to influence them easier but under no means are children ever going to be good at the game until they are older

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>>28323785
anon, are you even compelled to stay in this thread? you know that you can just close it

>>28324137
Is that honestly what you think ratings are for?

>>28324184
>

ESRB assigns age and content ratings for video games and mobile apps, enforces advertising and marketing guidelines for the video game industry, and helps companies implement responsible online and mobile privacy practices.

It's what ESRB intends to be

>>28324137
For decades it had the same rating as Animal Crossing.

It now has the same rating as most Mario titles.

If you're really going to pretend these aren't intended for children, boy howdy you are the perfect level of autistic to be in these threads and on /vp/.

Type: Null is a chimera. Got that.
What Pokémon is it made from? There's been a dozen threads pointing out the Arceus halo collar, and that tail looks like Gyrados's.

>>28324172
TO be fair, I kind of agree with that anon.

Lore threads are really great, but it's the attitudes that are shitty and tumblr-esque. Especially with all the random/unnecessary capitalization, which is something that's never been accepted on 4chan

>>28324239
That's not PEGI or CERO, though. In Japan, Pokemon is CERO A. None of its content offends children, that is literally the only requirement. In Europe, Pokemon is PEGI 3+/7+. It's intended for children at youngest 3 years old or 7 years old.

>>28324276
but is that anon compelled to stay?

>>28324290
As of late Pokemon has been 7+.
I think the VC games were 12+ because of the Game Corner.

>>28324276
If we go with the "Cyrus is behind everything" theory, it's based around the stylings/typings of the Sinnoh legendaries. The only question raised would be the green legs.

>>28324290
we weren't talking about PEGI or CERO

and either way the bare minimum requirement does not mean the game is only for the bare minimum

First thread was fun as fuck >>28301724

>>28324319
So as of recent, the game is intended for roughly 7-10 year old children if you go off of PEGI's own site. They do not account for skill.

http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/
>The PEGI labels appear on front and back of the packaging indicating one of the following age levels: 3, 7, 12, 16 and 18. They provide a reliable indication of the suitability of the game content in terms of protection of minors. The age rating does not take into account the difficulty level or skills required to play a game.

>>28324350
>We weren't talking about PEGI or CERO
Yes you were.

>>28324098
>It was originally 3+ in japan, now 7+
While he's technically wrong, he's also not. It's A in Japan, and originally 3+ in Europe, and now 7+.

ESRB is the only ratings system that doesn't base its ratings primarily off of children. ESRB itself also doesn't base around skill.

>Rating Categories suggest age appropriateness

>>28324276
Capitalization and shit happens all the time on live threads across multiple boards, in my experience it happens frequently on /a/, /tv/, and /v/. It used to be completely normal back in 2006-8.

>>28323741
D-do you know where you are?

>>28324290
>>28324424
>never mentioned PEGI or CERO until you brought it up
whatever

>give a 3year old an nintendo 3ds and x/y copy
>he throws it across the room and chews on it
>give a 7 year old an nintendo 3ds and x/y copy
>he fidgets with it and presses a couple buttons, might eventually load up the game but accidentally press the power button without saving and cry

>>28324509
Anon, you literally know nothing about children other than you were one. Quit pretending you know anything other than Pokemon.

>>28324509
>give a 7 year old an nintendo 3ds and x/y copy
>he fidgets with it and presses a couple buttons, might eventually load up the game but accidentally press the power button without saving and cry
I don't know what kind of child you were, but you must have been highly retarded.

>>28324509
wow this level of retardation

>>28324534
>implying he knows anything about Pokemon