>memefrog survives a direct hit from mega-sceptile's

>>28275974
Old

>>28275974
yes

>>28275974
Yes

>>28275974
I'm genuinely confused why you aren't confused about tanking a lead storm yet dying to a blast burn

>>28276222
Edgezard is strong enough to take down an E4 member after taking down 9 megas in a row. And contend with primal legendaries

He is more than capable of KOing Ash Greninja after hitting it with a couple of STAB and ability boosted dragon claws

>>28276263
>couple of stabs

He only got one attack in as a mega.


Also it's just bullshit that ash "perfected" his synchro only to lose again

Like what's the fucking point then?

>>28276298
Still, he KO'd an E4 members ace with blastburn, which isn't very effective. A weakened memefrog wouldn't be an issue.

>>28276298
that alain spent years training with his mega while ash spent only a copule of weeks, do you think its fair?

>>28276331
This is like if Ash's infernape still lost to Paul in Blaze mode

>>28276337
No, Greninja had a rivalry with Shota's Sceptile.

Paul is a different beast all on his own, he was a condescending prick.

>>28276322
That charizard got hurt by Greninja and Pikcachu before mega evolving.

Not mention taking more hits as a mega and taking the super attack head on

And then doesn't even fall down

>>28276337
except that paul's starter was turtwig, not elekid, for what we know he may had spent just a few days after ash adopted chimchar, meanwhile alain had spent YEARS training his megazard, and thats canon

>>28276353
Which is the trainer that he constantly lost too and strived to beat?

>>28276354
What part of 10 megas in a row ending in an E4's ace at a disadvantage don't you understand?

>>28276354
so? he got hurt during the 10 megas train too and still took down an E4

>>28276395
With a not very effective attack at that.

Ash's shit was nothing in comparison

>>28276380
That ash has gone against as many megas, but megas just as strong

>>28276380
>10 megas in a row
>had to be healed with potions between fights
Yeah, that's super amazing alright.

>>28276377
I mean Paul's first Pokemon is Elekid

>>28276422
>As many megas

>Abomasnow
>Absol
>Sceptile

That's it.

>>28276449
Paul's first pokemon was turtwig, everybody saw the flashback

>ash greninja
>not greninjAsh

>>28276501
also lucario, but that was more of a plot armor than a good power comparison, say whatever you want but its bullshit that a pikachu is stronger than a mega lucario

>>28276501
I meant to say not as many

Also the champion's gardevoir

>>28276331
Ash has been training Pikachu for 20 years, got two thunderbolts on Charizard and he still tanked Greninja's SuperDonut.

>>28276222
Obviously Ashninja has Dry Skin.

Did Greninja even get hit by Leaf Storm? I disntinctly remember that at least for Frenzy Plant, Greninja jumped around and never got hit once. Also there's the possibility of Protean to consider.

>>28276707
Ash is still only ten, my man.

>>28276707
20 irl years but like 2 years at max in the anime, and thats a big AT, meanwhie alain has trained charizard for in anime years, and that completely canon

The best way to approach battles in the anime is to assume they're all Inverse.

Everything makes much more sense that way.

>>28276580
The win was complete bullshit, but Ashfag conveniently ignore that because "M-MUH ASH SO BASED" memes.

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>>28276766
and this is why this threads exists, ashfags are the most biased and delusional fandom ever, I can let it pass when they are kids because innocence and stuff, but those grown-ass sadults have no excuse and I actually enjoy pooping their ash safe space, specially if the try to use 4chan as their happy place

>>28276795
> Korrina's regular Lucario kicks Pikachu's ass with no trouble twice in a row, once while in its Mega form.

> Gym time Pikachu suddenly can fight it equally and outclass it for no reason.

> Her other two Pokemon are conveniently canon fodder shitmons to be fed to Ash.

> Circlejerks about how based and amazing he is despite his win being bullshit.

Ashfags made me hat the anime and its fandom.

>>28276795
>ashfags are annoying because people make fun of them

Ok

I knew he wasn't going to win, but that ending was complete bullshit

>>28276860
But you're okay with Greninja taking several Leaf Storm and Frenzy Plants head-on?

>>28276860
>muh ashboi

>>28276869
I mean I can partially ignore it because the rest of the fight wasn't bullshit and showed how strong it was

Also Leaf storms constantly get weaker

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>>28276869
because bonds and friendship

>>28276869
I feel tanking an attack that constantly gets weaker makes sense

>>28276881
>Also Leaf storms constantly get weaker
If we are going through that
>cut bp is 30
>water shuriken bp is 15
>zardx is neutral to water

did you really expected to take down such a big mon with those pityful weak moves?

>>28276900
Overheat gets weaker in the anime but Leaf Storm was never said to get weaker, even if they are the same in the game the anime plays by its own rules. Leaf Storm is always at full power.

>>28276911
>literally biggest attack we've seen from a non legendary
>Charizard tanking thunderbolts pre mega and other attacks doesn't even faint
>Greninja takes 2 hits the entire battle

Ok

>>28276924
Well if it doesn't, then it's bullshit. If it isn't it makes complete sense because it used it 4 times

>>28276353
>No, Greninja had a rivalry with Shota's Sceptile.
He had a rivalry with Megazard too

>>28276900
252 SpA Mega Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Greninja: 410-486 (117.8 - 139.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

it shouldnt be able to even tank the first one senpai-iam, also if we follow those rules, leaf storm only gets weaker if it hits, if it misses, or gets "dodged", the stats dont decrease

>>28276962
Pikachu already got hit by one too

>>28276941
>implying greninja isnt frail

Ok

>>28276978
>implying charizard isn't either

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>>28276941
> biggest attack we've seen from a non legendary

Nice try Ashfag, pic related. Never mind the fact Alan had been using Mega Charizard X against Elite Four members and fighting mega evolutions before Ash even set foot in Kalos.

>>28276989
Yeah, but a just starting out Ashninja was about to beat the champion's mega

This was before he was close to perfection

>>28276988
HP: 78
Attack: 130
Defense: 111
Sp. Atk: 130
Sp. Def: 85
Speed: 100

Its not a wall but it can run a bulky set pretty well, actually slash that, there are bulky variants already

>>28277009
> Implying that wasn't bullshit.
> Implying Diantha was even serious.

>>28276989
>Nice try Ashfag, pic related. Never mind the fact Alan had been using Mega Charizard X against Elite Four members and fighting mega evolutions before Ash even set foot in Kalos.
But that just means Pikachu should have taken down Charizard with ease, he's been fighting legendaries for 20 years

>>28277009
except it wasnt even close...

>>28277013
>85 special defense

Those thinderbolts should have killed the damn thing then

>>28277013
What are ash Greninja's stats then... If your gonna use game mechanics to validate the anime then your argument is invalid.

>>28277018
>implying Alain'a fight wasn't bullshit either

Literally everything here is bullshit, you can't just exclude evidence because it's dumb

>>28277022
Pikachu had just gone through Tyranitar and Metagross, he was very exhausted. Mega Charizard only fought Pikachu and Greninja, only mega evolved for Greninja.

>>28277055
>hoping for rainbow greninja to be a tank

I think the worst thing about the shitty fight is taking out 2 of his Pokemon with OHKO moves

They literally flashed goodra's friends watching him right before it happened

>>28276766
I knew I wasn't the only one who hated that shit. Pikachu had no business winning that fight

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>>28277055
>muh tanky snowflake
Do you really think greninja will magically become bulky from nowhere, oh wait, you believe in ash too, so that explains a lot

>>28277057
Diantha said she only fought them to understand the legend Olympia was talking about, she was testing them. She wasn't being serious, ironic you forgot that part.

>>28277058
Charizard took a type advantaged thunderbolt and then recovered completely for the fight with Greninja

>>28277103
I believe he's trying to see how strong Greninja should be invalidating his bulk

>>28277107
ashfags are exactly like this, they ignore everything that could prove ash wrong, and knowing how retarded he is they are under constant pressure all the time

>>28277122
and greninja took a leaf storm from a mega sceptile like nothing, thats the subject of the thread, dear lord...

>>28277107
>>28277132
She couldn't even touch him though

>>28277145
But Pikachu already got hit by one earlier and everyone stopped talking about it when I mentioned that

>>28277147
she didnt even tried it

>>28277086
That was symbolism for Ashfags' hopes and dreams.

>>28277161
We don't know though.

All we know that is she tested them, we don't know how much strength that is

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>>28277073
>>28277103
I honestly don't care about anime ash or Greninja, but If your going to use game stats to validate your claim that charizard is bulky then you have to factor in Greninja's pseudo mega stats as well, which you don't have.

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>>28277122
Nigga did you ignore the part where I said Pikachu had just fought A TYRANITAR AND METAGROSS and got its ass kicked a lot, Pokemon in the anime are living creatures. Pikachu's Thunderbolts most likely were not at full power after having to zap a Metagross for two minutes straight just to win, the Thunderbolts weren't even constant. They were quick and dirty hits that Charizard braced itself for. Why are you ignoring this Charizard fought Steven Stone's Metagross, 10-megas in a row and beat an E4 at the end, a Blastoise from another E4 members, fucking Primal Legendaries? Ashfags are such a cancer.

>>28277160
I tried to crunch the numbers a bit and I think the battle still doesnt make sense, but what does in the anime? anyway this is what I think would have happened

-2 252 SpA Mega Sceptile Frenzy Plant vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 354-416 (101.7 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>28277207
Well are we applying game logic or not because I get called out for using game logic or shit on when I ignore it.

Also fighting things in a row is pointless if you heal every time.

Ash fought megas too, not as many though but just as strong ones

asides from the Primals, they didn't even dent that thing

>>28277207
I understand kids defending ash, we all did at that age, but grown-up adults defending him after 20 years of the same is just plain sad, did they really need 900+ chapters of the same thing to conclude that nothing will change? Pretty sure thats the definition of insanity

>>28277216
See >>28277195

We don't know Ash ninja's stats or EV's

>>28276737
If Greninja did have Protean, Shadow Ball wouldn't have affected it at all versus Diantha, so no.

>>28277252
>Mega Charizard X beats Ash-Greninja
>"BULLSHIT! RIGGED! UNFAIR!"

>Ash-Greninja beats Mega Sceptile
>"So based! So strong! So awesome!"

Ashfags are hypocritical, ignore them on sight. I don't even care about them, their hypocrisy is just annoying as shit.

>>28277284
While we dont know, and we may never know because rainbow greninja isnt officially confirmed, I dont think he is that bulky, just watching the past battle against wulfric I can understand how blast burn KO it too

>>28277324
/thread

This has never been what concerned me, and it shouldn't be what concerns anyone. Regardless, though, it seems that winning the league is all that's important to anyone. Of this, I have nothing to say and it's no wonder everyone is in a tizzy. I don't understand why they did it in this perspective, other than marketing execs that don't know what a plot is. I'm pretty sure they know the League is very important to people. Heck, they wouldn't have done this if they DIDN'T know. Why the flipping heck did they go with something they KNEW no one would understand? If you were going to cuck Ash, we would've still understood it if you just skipped the battle entirely. Literally nothing would be lost with the absence of the eps. By putting the battle in, you only make things harder for yourself. You either do something that people understand, but is less interesting, or you do something that people don't understand, but has more gravitas. I don't know what your goal was, but it plainly didn't matter to you, did it? Everyone will still buy merchandise and the games regardless of what the anime does. Why did you bother to begin with, then?

>>28277207
It wasn't doing shit to Metagross, you can't really use that as an example when Steven clearly wasn't serious, as shown when he let Metagross tank Charizard's strongest attack, which also happens to be super effective to the face without a scratch.

>>28277370
so metagross can tank megazard strongest move but zard shouldnt tank pikachu's attacks?

>MFW Alain used strategic switching and strength to beat the friendship meme and Ashfags are having none of it.

>>28277243
He was using potions, you know, the items that are not nearly as useful in the anime then they are in the games.

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>>28277370
Except it endured the hit, it took damage. Metagross was just so much of a boss it didn't even show pain after taking the hit. Why do you ignore that?

>>28277407
>strategic switching and strength

He literally got 2 OHKO moves off

>>28277388
I'm not arguing for either side right now, but I should point out that Thunderbolt clearly did a lot of damage in forcing Charizard to kneel, yet that was seemingly completely ignored after it was recalled.

>>28277388
Holy fuck this.

They just ignore that though because it hurts their narrative

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>>28277324
>Implying Alain fags are somehow better

Both parties are quite obnoxious Pham.

>>28277412
Alainfags are even more insufferable than Ashfags, this grasping for straws is pathetic.

>>28277419
Which he only used after weakening the target to the point of near immobilization to ensure a hit, including using thunder wave. That's strategy.

>>28277437
>Straw grasping
>Implying Ashfags aren't worse with that

I mean, they have conspiracy theories already, it's not even a comparison at this point.

We didn't spam other boards with our shit did we?

>>28277451
>relying on hax is strategy

>>28277473
> "M-MUH MEGA EVOLUTION ENERGY, ALAIN CHEATED!111" autism

>>28277412

verb (used with object), endured, enduring.
1.
to hold out against; sustain without impairment or yielding; undergo:
to endure great financial pressures with equanimity.
2.
to bear without resistance or with patience; tolerate:
I cannot endure your insults any longer.

kys

>>28277484
>Using thunder as armor
>Aim for the horn
>Harming ground types with thunderbolt

Yeah, Ash never relies on hax

>>28277506
>Goodra use bide
>literally not moving
>people surprised guillotine hit on a non-moving target

classic ash

>>28277506
>Comparing gen 1 to 6

>>28277741
Let's try spinning, that's a good trick

>>28277725
>m-muh 30%

That's not how it works in the anime. Alain immobilized his targets before using it, to guarantee a clean hit. That's strategy.

The fight was too short and there wasn't much strategy.

Also, does anyone ever thought about last moment of fight?
That special water shuriken probably used a nearly 100% power to be unleashed...

In other words: memefrog sacrifices most of his HP for fire rasen donut and with little energy left got KO-ed by LizardTank and his blast burn.
End of a story...

ashfags are faggots

>>28275974
Inverse battles are the standard format in the anime.

>>28276707
Pikachu wasted a lot of electricity taking down Metagross.

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>Ash has tried and failed to take on the League 6 times in a row despite dedicating himself to it
>Alain does it on his first try, when it's not even his main goal, and the rest of his team was raised in a fraction of the time Ash spent on his

It's sad to say, but Ash will never ever be a master.

The loss at Indigo was understandable, but his fate was sealed when he lost in Johto too. Even Gary was smart enough to realize that was the end, that neither of them have what it takes.

>>28279191
if we are gonna use the anime time then I think its worth mentioning that alain has spend way more time with his charizard than ash with his pikachu, so basically alain still has more experienced training despite the lack of leagues