>>28122247
fucking manlet

>>28122247
Pretty sure the word dungeon doesn't inherently imply what you think it implies.

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>tfw back in gold and silver in the postgame you could explore further into union cave and on friday nights lapras would spawn in the water

x/y were rushed because apparently 60% of dev time was spent on pokemon amie, while oras was rushed out in a year

hopefully sun and moon aren't trash because I might actually stop playing pokemon if they are

>>28122247
XY was unfinished.

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>>28122247
>this quotation "meme"

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>>28123379
>undertale

>>28123402
>godzilla

>>28123312
This tbqh

>>28122247
>Other games put some legendaries in just some room off to the side
>It's ok
>Gen 6 does it
>It's shit

Not saying it's acceptable. It's lazy and stupid. I like how HGSS had a full Cerulean Cave, but HGSS and B2W2 are both guilty of similar things to this.

>Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza in Embedded Tower, which is just a room
>Zapdos just sitting outside the Power Plant
>Moltres just in some room around the beginning of Mt. Silver
>Heatran in some extra room in Reversal Mountain

And if you shit on the idea that hunting legends in ORAS by following vague criteria to unlock where the legends are i.e. bring Castform into Soaring for Genies, then you also have to throw in the Lake trio in B2W2, since you basically just use the knowledge/emotion/willpower motifs to track them down and then they sit there.

>>28123447
this
i am tired of this "its bad when gen 6 does it" meme

>>28122384
I sure hope so. I miss little features and exploration. There's nothing neat that shows love or effort left in Pokemon games, it's kind of sad.

>>28123428
>implying

>>28122247
well, they're not wrong. a dungeon doesn't necessarily mean it has to look like cerulean cave.

>>28123447
HGSS and B2W2 had generally more stuff to do than XY, so a few legendaries being in easy to get to locations isn't as a big a deal.

Plus games like HGSS, B2W2, and ORAS are trying to fit new stuff into an old region, while also needing the time to add all the other new stuff. It feels worse when they're half-assing what few extra stuff there is in a completely new region.

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>Ever Grande """""""""City"""""""""

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>We'll never have a dungeon like Cerulean Cave, Seafoam Island, Turnback Cave or Giant Chasm ever again

>>28122247

"Unknown place"

>>28123561
Fair point there, but Terminus Cave was an alright dungeon, and you did need to chase the bird.

>>28123706
Again, Terminus Cave was alright, but that's about it.

>>28123706
>Turnback cave
>giant chasm
(You)

>>28122384

That wasn't the post game that was as soon as you got surf retard.

>>28122247
It's named after the original name for Cerulean Cave.

Threadly reminder for everyone on /vp/:

XY are the Twilight Princess of the Pokemon Series. A good game that is riddled with references to what the majority of people consider to be the "best" entry in the series. ORAS was just made to appease hoennbabies. Gen 6 is a huge tech demo in its entirety.

>>28123865
X and Y were terrible and you know it. I WILL admit, however, it was because this is a transition from 2D to 3D. The same thing happened with Colosseum, that game was garbage, but then Gale of Darkness improved it vastly. I bet Sun and Moon will be the more refined, enjoyable versions of X and Y.

>>28123908
>colosseum was garbage

>>28122247
Mew"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""'henry"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""two

>>28122277
Who?
also checked

>>28123908
>I WILL admit, however, it was because this is a transition from 2D to 3D
No it isn't. They barely even used the 3d properly. The overworld is basically gen V with better models and 3D characters instead of sprites.
The fact that gen VI doesn't look like Sun and Moon is its biggest flaw. They had the tools but they didn't use them for no fucking reason.

>>28123865
Twipri is a good game into itself and only gets bashed because of nostalgia. The gameplay is fresh compared to other zeldas.

Xy is a rushed mess that falls apart and offers terrible resolve, no new mechanics outside of pressing a button for a power boost

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>>28123428
>

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>>28122384
>I might actually stop playing pokemon if they are
same tbqh

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>>28122247
>there are people willing to defend that
>the same people also defend this

>>28124926
>If it wasn't called Route 1 and was just called "Village Path" or something no one would be complaining about it

>>28124863
For sure. This franchise has changed a lot, and the more recent changes have been for the worse. If they keep it as lacking as it is now, I'm just going to stick to older games.

>>28122384
>>28124863

You have to be blind if you think Sun and Moon already hasn't been a major improvements especially in exploration

>>28124962
Yeah, actually. Route 1 is supposed to teach you things if you're new, maybe have a neat bit of postgame content as a reward for coming back later. This is literally just a straight path with no grass or anything. Village path would've been a much more fitting name.

>>28124926
>>28124962
Was there really even a reason for Vaniville and Aquacorde to be separate towns? Vaniville was literally two houses.

>>28124992
>especially in exploration

Have we seen anything major regarding routes and such? I know we have helper Pokémon like XY but whether they help exploration is dependent on the areas you can use them in.

>>28125044
does it really fucking matter if its route 1 that does it or route 2?

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>>28122247
relevant

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>>28125057
The fact that it's islands makes it almost automatically better for exploration. A lot less linear with all sorts of places in between. The region maps looks promising, too.

>>28125094
No, it doesn't. But people will nitpick this game to hell and back.

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>>28125151
i dunno im worried these islands are going to be very small.

>>28125097
Should include all that unused area between the starting town and Glittering Cave.

>>28122384
>Exploration
>HM's possibly gone

>>28122337
It does in a video game.

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>>28125315
>TFW viewing whole map
>All the islands are boxed in
>That gigantic, empty, unused space between them

Oh no, I've got a horrible feeling about this.

>>28125412
>all the beaches are surrounded by boulders to prevent you Surfing away
Me too, Anon. Me too.

I think they took the "too much water" meme a bit too far. We're not gonna Surf anywhere, it's all gonna be via Seagallop Ferries or something.

>>28123861
The original name for that cave is Hanada Cave.

>>28122247
Literally just the Nameless Cave where it matters

>>28125598
One thing i didnt like anout hoenn was the lack of dive spots and stuff to do underwater. Even oras has this problem since the 3 new dive spots just take you to secret bases

so we really aint gonna talk about the waste that is the entralink

>>28122247
Fuck this place. It's representative of XY's shallowness in general.

>literally everyone in this thread forgot that you had to go through a forest dungeon to get there

>>28125097
>Not circling the fucking Badlands power plants
That shit's GS-ball tier of cocktease.

>>28125906
I recently went back and looked, and there are quite a few dive spots, though I think the issue is that most of them are just useless holes without even any seaweed in them. There's very little to encourage you to look through them all.

>>28125598
We Wind Waker now

>>28128709
A forest you already went through earlier in the story. Rushing through an old area with Repels on isn't actually as exciting as going through a completely new area.

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>>28123402
>>undertale
>posts character from undertale

>>28128839
He doesn't need to.
The Kalos Badlands is literally a circle of dirt.

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>>28124926
Route 23 in GSC

>>28129662
Glad someone said it

>>28129662
fixed by Firered and HGSS. They couldn't fit 2 games worth of map data in the old cartridges.

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>>28129662
It's fine in context.

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>>28129765
It's not an issue of space, you could easily fit RBY's Route 23 in GSC, it's an issue of time. There's data for a bunch of beta maps they could remove to make more space, including what some people believe is a longer beta version of Route 23.

It's true that GF had trouble even fitting Johto into GSC and Iwata cleared space, but after he cleared that space you'd have no issue. The reason Kanto is so chopped up in GSC is because this happened shortly before release and they didn't want to delay the game again after three years of development.

>>28125044
>maybe have a neat bit of postgame content as a reward for coming back later.

What Route 1 does this?

>>28129990
Not this guy, but maybe Unova? You can surf from Route 1 to P2 Labs.

>>28129990
Sinnoh's Route 201 has a cave with a Legendary adjacent to it, doesn't it? And Unova has Route 17 available by returning to Route 1.

>>28125044
>Route 1 is supposed to teach you things if you're new,
Says fucking who.

There are many dumb aspects of XY, you shouldn't have to break out autistic headcanon to come up with one.