Okay, so hold up. Why the fuck does this shit exist? Like,

>>28024038
>oh shit, Greninja got popular but he doesn't have a Mega
>quick, make something up!

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>>28024038
>SO IT CLEARLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PIKACHU.
the professor said that it can't happen to ANY pokemon
only to a few special pokemon and people
ash and greninja are "special", pikachu is not

>>28024038
You have just stumbled on to one of about a dozen reasons memefrog is generally disdained. Good on you.

>>28024087
But Pikachu IS special.

That's the entire reason Team Rocket is constantly chasing it; because it's different from a normal Pikachu.

>>28024087
If Ash and Greninja are special, why did they lose to a normal mega Charizard and a normal edgelord trainer?

>>28024038
>pokemon is highly popular
>gets pandered
Charizard, Lucario and Pikachu have all gone through this, it's just that the Greninja pandering turned out to be extremely retarded and cringy, unlike earlier cases where it was just lame and tiresome.

Ash had the best pidgeotto of all time

>>28024163
>Charizard X is edgy
>Greninja revealing his true form and teleporting behind him with a katana isn't

>>28024038
Its a mega evolution and ash is just a special league losing snowflake

>>28024222
I said the trainer was edgy, you illiterate twat.

>>28024038
>It's ridiculous that they went with Greninja and not Pikachu.

They're never going to alter the appearance of Ash's Pikachu. He's too iconic.

With Greninja I suppose they just wanted to ride off the popularity produced by Smash bros and such, they already had their Charizard marketing with Alain. Ash-Greninja is just an excuse for it to fight toe-to-toe with megas.

>>28024264
>friendly chuuni rival that likes battling and fights for his girlfriend
Is it the black outfit?

>>28024116
pikachu is just strong, not special

>>28024066
This. They needed to give Ash a cool mega but he had none, so they asspulled a mega greninja and called it "bond transformation".. which is exactly what megas are under a different name.

>>28024116
No, it's not. They got beat and assumed the pikachu had to be super strong then out of sheer narcissism.

>>28024298
But this is why it's perfect! It's temporary!

It's not like evolving it into a Raichu, it'll always go back to its usual self when the power isn't needed.

Sigh...if you watch the anime, Prof. Sycamore states that Pikachu doesn't have the potential to mega evolve because it can still evolve (Raichu) so it's obvious that the same thing happens here with Synchro.

Also, the prof. said that Pikachu already gets a boost of power from it's bond with Ash.

>>28024366
But they can never ditch it when the novelty wears off and it's not an effective marketing tool anymore. It'd just be a permanent addition to the anime.

>>28024366
I don't think that matters. They want Pikachu to kick ass as just Pikachu, not Pikachu with red-black-and-blue markings all over it.

I would also claim that they wanted a "cooler" fully evolved Pokemon of Ash's to make use of this ability, to appeal more to the older kids. They did something similar with Infernape and Blaze.

>>28024414
>Prof. Sycamore states that Pikachu doesn't have the potential to mega evolve because it can still evolve (Raichu) so it's obvious that the same thing happens here with Synchro.
That's just the bullshit excuse they made up so people wouldn't ask why Pikachu isn't doing it, instead. The writers could have just written it to work with not-fully-evolved pokemon, too.

>Also, the prof. said that Pikachu already gets a boost of power from it's bond with Ash.
That's just proof it would have been capable of it, had they not decided to write it out as impossible due to not being fully evolved.

>>28024164
>lucario pandering
Lol what?

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>>28024116
Team Rocket are fucking idiots though. Giovanni doesn't care about Pikachu, they've just convinced themselves its special.

>>28024320
You have to admit the outfit is pretty bad

I don't like Alain for a few reasons but yeah, he's not really an edgy guy

>>28024500
desu senpai if you had a literal unlimited supply of wealth to keep funding these crazy things they do and a talking cat, can you think of any better way to spend your time?

>>28024414

Which makes sense. The episode where Ash goes emo in the forest, Pikachus Thunderbolt was weak and Team Rocket even noticed it by saying "we're not interested in a weak pikachu".

Ash wasn't around.

>>28024497
Are you just out of the loop or something?
It gets into Smash two times running, got into Pokken, you literally get handed one in XY with a mega evolution, it got a movie despite not being legendary, side games talked it up (first mystery dungeon game it was said to be the greatest adventurer of all time and was the guardian of a gem in pokemon ranger 2, only non-starter pokemon besides pikachu in the newest mystery dungeon) and I'm sure there's other shit I can't think of at the moment.

>>28024805
You only get handed one because it was the first pokemon to mega evolve.

Side games dont really count because theyre not by game freak.

For the movie, the unknown also got a major part in a movie but i dont see people calling that pandering.

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>>28024603
Its sad really. We like to make fun of Ash for his constant failures, but honestly he's got a pretty good life; an eternal 10 year old who gets to travel, meet new friends, have adventures and do what he loves. He might look silly to us with how he always chokes at the league, but in universe he seems to be pretty well respected for making it that far.

Whereas Team Rocket have shown they COULD be successes in other avenues, but they're so fixated on Pikachu and the twerps that they always let their chances slide. They're stuck in the same eternal loop, but without all the good stuff Ash gets out of it. All they really have is each other and the one or two new pokemon they meet each season, a boss that thinks they're useful at best and a constant stream of destroyed mechs and air balloons.

Plus I've been watching this for a while and I'm starting to suspect that they're not actually having sex off screen.

>>28024038

>Why the fuck does this shit exist?
Plot device and to sell merchandise to ashfags

>>28024881
>it was the first pokemon to mega evolve.
That alone is some heavy ass pandering, retard.
>Side games dont really count because theyre not by game freak.
How the hell don't they count? TPCi still oversees them.
>but i dont see people calling that pandering
Because Unown was actually important without being forced.
It had its own ruins sidequest for fuck's sake.
And Entei had some heavy spotlight in that movie anyway, it's what most people remember it for.

>>28024989
I could use your unown argument right bqck at you, lucario had side quests in dpp and xy which made it important as well its own hall.

>>28025099
found the lucario furfag

>>28024038
If they gave it to Pikachu it would have to be carried on throughout the next season. How fuckin lame would it be if every tough battle Ash fought he synched with his Pikachu for the next 100+ years this chinese cartoon exists for.

>>28024989
>>it was the first pokemon to mega evolve.
>That alone is some heavy ass pandering, retard.

None of the other lucario advertising in other arenas really bothered me, but this one kinda did. It could have been any pokemon that was the first to mega evolve, but we got more Lucario. Being forced to use it in your first mega battle wasn't much fun either, especially as you quite possible had one or two other options by then.

>>28024530
God, that fucking scarf is an eyesore.

>>28025099
I love lucario too and it's fucking obvious how bad the pandering is. Unown didn't get a mega evolution and have the entire game stop to tell you how amazing it is. Unown dosent have ass loads of merchandise and Unown haven't been relevant since 4th gen and even that's reaching a bit.

>>28025237
Lucario town in general pissed me right the fuck off.

>>28024116
>But Pikachu IS special
At being the mascot. It's a golden rule in any form of media that you can't deface the mascot. Pikachu is recognizable as Pikachu, this is the real reason he will never change.

>>28024339
>>28024343

Didn't they imply Pikachu might have some kind of bond phenomenon going on on a lesser scale in that episode where Ash was lost in the woods after losing to Wulfric? Pikachu tried shocking Team Rocket while he was absent and couldn't send them blasting off, but once he was reunited with Ash he fucked them up as usual.

And what was that thing with Hawlucha all about?

>>28024469
I don't care if you like it or not, and I also don't care about your opinion on the matter. It's been explained. Asspull or not, it has an explanation.

You can keep getting upset over it all you want, but to continue bitching about it only makes you look like a whiny retard.

>>28025225
Pikachu's been arbitrarily depowered before. Remember the start of the Unova league?

>>28025363
>Didn't they imply Pikachu might have some kind of bond phenomenon going on on a lesser scale

Sycamore said that outright at some point

>And what was that thing with Hawlucha all about?
That one I don't know.

IT JUST WORKS

>>28025382
Yes, and that was terrible, would you want to deal with that again?

>>28024038
They state that it was Greninja who had the potential, but he needed a trainer like Ash for him to reach that potential.
Remember the first episode? Froakie chose Ash, not the other way around.

>>28025395
Yes, I would actually. If the anime can make asspulls hard enough to make Ash lose the league (Alain, Tobias), then they can make asspulls to depower pika.

>>28024164
>>28024805
>>28024989
>>28025291
>i dont know what pandering means

Guys, c'mon. Lucario is a "cool" pokémon. Very marketable and kids all over the world love him. Therefore, he gets treated like a star.

This happens in almost every major franchise. It's not a new concept. It'd be like complaining that Johnny Depp got paid more in Pirates for being the most popular character and biggest draw.

You'll always have other pokémon to use and play with. Lucario isn't taking anything away here. Getting upset about that is pointless.

>>28024116

There is more than one way of being special you stupid faggot.

Pikachu IS special in various ways, but that doesn't mean it's capable of bond phenomenon. Not that it fucking needs it since it's clearly stronger than Ash-Greninja.

>>28025376
>Asspull or not, it has an explanation
My point is that the writers could have written a different explanation.

>>28025545
>Lucariofag damage controlling this hard

Johnny Depp is popular because he's fucking good, and his movies are good. Lucario is a repulsive mess of a design and gets shoved down everyone's throat even though nobody really likes him, except furfags and closet furfags.

Lucario is not marketable, he's just marketed anyway.

>>28024038
I was so happy seeing Pikachu topple Metagross and Tyranitar, when Grenigger only beat a weakened Bisharp and got BTFO by Edgezard.

>>28024469
Guess what writers can do anything they want already so you can't call out on what the they did and didn't do. They are the writers, if they wanted they could have Muk evolve into Mew and say Muk was weak from being very dirty.

>>28025545
Remember that time "Johnny Depp" released in theaters, starring Johnny Depp as Johnny Depp in the amusement park Johnny Depp World and Johnny Depp rode the Johnny Depp-go-round, and then ate lunch with Johnny Depp outside of Johnny Depp square under the Johnny Depp statue, then had his dick sucked by Johnny Depp who then became president of the United States? No? Well that more or less happened in Gen 6 with Lucario.

>>28025857
>my opinion is fact
>i know for a fact that children all hate lucario
wew

>>28025545
>Lucario isn't taking anything away here.

Starter positions in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, positions in Smash, and slots in the regional 'dex for each region aside.

>>28024038
Marketing greninja to kids

The show a vehicle to sell toys to children.

>>28025545
Lucario isn't the only time when a company pushes something people don't like. Remember the fun and games with Lightning in Final Fantasy? Overhyping, and refusal to believe that the creator's favorite special snowflake is unliked has been the downfall of many a character.

>>28026037

There are multitudes of Pokemon more popular than Lucario, but they get way less marketing. The marketing it gets is grossly disproportionate to its popularity.

>>28025990
>Guess what writers can do anything they want already so you can't call out on what the they did and didn't do.
What the fuck are you talking about? That's EXACTLY WHY you can call them out on what they did or didn't do, because they don't have an excuse! They could have done something better, but they didn't.

>>28024038
Did Ash Greninja actually do any good to Greninja's popularity? I can't imagine anyone who wasn't a greninjafag becoming a fan because of this deviantart transformation.

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>>28024038
This whole thread is pointless because megas are dead and Greninja is getting boxed.

>Scientists believe pancakes may be responsible for Raichu's Alolan form

It turns out that bonding is the culprit, instead. Hence, Ash's Pikachu becomes Alolan Raichu. There you go.

Dumbasses.

>>28024038
Look at it this way - at the end of the day, only one of those two will be going with Ash to the Alola region (and all regions that follow after). It's easy to see which "special bond" is more valuable in the long run.

>>28026346
Probably a smash hit with kids, but to the older audience I'd wager Ash Greninja was actually more detrimental.

>>28026346
It was voted #1 most popular Pokemon in Japan recently due to the high amount of exposure in the XYZ anime, but honestly I wouldnt read too much into that. I mean, if you did a similar poll somewhere at the end of the Sinnoh anime Infernape would probably be voted as the most beloved Pokemon of all time, and that guy was completely forgotten the moment Ash stepped into the Unova region. I predict Greninja will end up sharing the same fate. The Ash-Greninja garbage was only made to put him on the equal footing against all the Mega spammers in the Kalos League.

>>28024163
>normal MEGA charizard
>Its just a normal primal kyogre
>its just a normal 500 ft tall gengar

>>28026147
Lucario has the most porn of any pokemon so id say he's pretty popular

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>>28026387
>pikachu evlolving
>even as bait
you make me sick

>>28026376
Here's a (you)

>>28025288
Well they need to give every Mega trainer an outfit motif to match their ace. For Zard X it was probably either the flame mustache or, like, some spikes.

>>28027358
Would have been cooler if swished around when he does something rather than sit there like some starched up sticks jutting from his neck. Would look more like flames too. Dat extra animation cost tho

>>28024038
Pikachu isn't even a fully evolved mon.

>>28024038
Did you miss the part where ash's froakie abandoned a dozen trainers before he proved himself worthy for it? Or how as a baby it trained constantly to the point where other freegoing froakie saw it as a freak?

Ash's greninja has self-determination. It doesn't just want to be the strongest pokemon in its territory like hawlucha, nor does it try its hardest just so it doesn't let its trainer down. It wants to be the absolute most powerful it can be. Being humanlike in this aspect allows it to bond with a human like this.

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>>28024298
They can change Pikachu's appearance slightly whilst keeping his iconic features.

>>28024038
it's to make a connection with the greninja hero from old time in the ninja village.

Did you watch the anime? lmao

>>28029567
Sounds edgy

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>>28024038
It's probably to promote whatever this is.