>retcon Seismic Toss/Night Shade/Foul Play from the game

>>27726657
There is not that much wrong with Stall. There are a billion ways to break it even with Smogon keeping it on live support since '07.

Scald is a fucking problem though.

>>27726903
Knock off is worse desu

>WAAAAH MUH STALL WHY CAN'T I JUST 1HKO EVERYTHING WITH MUH BROS ;_;

I'm sorry not everyone caters to your ADHD anon.

>>27726948
At least it has lower distribution and can be "tanked" by certain Megas.

I'm reasonably sure almost every Water typ learns Scald, and good Water Veil users are kind of unheard of. Twave is cheap too, but much easier to work around.

>>27726948
I think they wanted to buff it wasn't wrong. But holy fuck why is it that strong

>>27727001
Just looking at the OP pic, Weavile and Klefki kill everything there bar Skarm and Quag. Throw in Serp and a backup for Chansey and your clean.

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>>27727037
>I'm reasonably sure almost every Water typ learns Scald,

>>27727168
I said almost anon. The 'Karp too, I know. Fucking shoot me then.

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Know nothing about meta but smogon is apparently listing shuckle as OU, is this true?

>>27726657
retcon Seismic Toss so Chansey line never gets it

there, meta saved

chansey can't do shit back to setup sweepers who sub or taunt, like mega gardevoir

>>27727249

In the current gen???

>>27727249
Shuckle sees some Ubers play iirc.