Can someone explain Schooling? If not how do you think it's

>>27720097

It's activated by entering battle when Wishiwashi is above a certain level. What we're less sure of is how it's deactivated.

>>27720097
I have a feeling it's activated by battling with a high level Wishiwashi near water and deactivates if Wishiwashi's health drops below 50%.

I thought it was it's evolution

>>27720195

No.

>>27720097
my guess is that it activates automatically but disappear for one turn after you take physical damage.

>>27720195
Oh no its not an evolution. It's just a new form of the pokemon that you unlock if it's a high enough level.

>>27720132
I think it's the 50% thing, since that seems to be a "mini-theme" this gen (Drampa, Wimpod).

>>27720250

I agree, that's probably it. We just don't know that for sure yet.

>>27720239
Isn't evolution in pokemon just a form you unlock at a certain level?

>>27720195
It's not an evolution. It's just a form change that occurs at a certain level that induces an increase to its base stats as well as a new look.

It need a high level and water terrain to work

>>27720312

Yes. But here, it's not a permanent change. It just allows a temporary change to occur under certain conditions.

The only thing I don't really get about Schooling is that if it's one of those abilities that are exclusive to one Pokemon, why make it an ability in the first place instead of making it's other form an evolution?

I mean I'm fine with it as is really- it just kind of feels like a waste.

>>27720325
>Evolution: the ability

my sides

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>>27720195
I like Wishiwashi but I wish it was an evolution, having multiple pokémon together has been done before and it would have been fine

>>27720312
Yes, but you don't revert back to your preevolution form after dropping below a certain HP.

>>27720335
>and water terrain to work

Do we know that for sure?

>>27720250
So it's basically like it got a proper evolution with a potentially much worse Defeatist? Shitmon incoming.

>>27720250
It's been seen activating at full health in the trailers.

>>27720363
The concept is a bit different though. Like with Magneton, it's three Magnemites bonded together. Here, it's one Wishiwashi calling for help in time of battle.

>>27720410
its deactivating when its low hp so its below 50% it goes back to normal probably

I really hope the Schooling Form is good. Im worried the stats wont be worth it, or they will fuck its move pool up.

I really love Wishiwashi's concept and really want it to be a decent mon, but its ability is really screaming "Defeatist" to me and its giving me a cold sweat.

>>27720410

Yeah, we're talking about what deactivates it.

>>27720426
How do you know that? Does it do it in the Japanese trailer? 'Cause it doesn't even take damage once changing in the English trailer.

>>27720441

The website says that even Gyarados are afraid of it. I'm guessing it's got some pretty crazy stats, to make up for not always having that form.

>>27720363
>has been done before

There's your problem. Why do you think "mega evolution" happened?

>Let's do something new that fans will love!
Multiple regions?
>Nah fans don't want that!
Evolved forms of existing Pokemon?
>No way, but let's do the same thing and call it mega evolution and let fully evolved pokes evolve AGAIN.

>>27720441
It's going to be slaking with defeatist.

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>>27720496
Probably something like pic related to be considered good.

I think it'd be cool if the school gained more fish based on the level
So a level 10 wishiwashi is just a floating mouth or something, and then by level 50 it's the whole hog

>>27720521
Fuck GF for trying to do new and interesting things, huh?

>>27720540
No, fuck them for making you believe any of what GF does is "new" or "interesting". It's rehashed bullshit to sell the same exact game every 3 years. But I'm still gonna buy it because one day I pray they'll be generous enough to give a reach around while they buttfuck the fanbase for the 1000th time.

>>27720363
This.

>>27720616
>what is iteration
>what is innovation
I'm sorry you hate Pokémon. Maybe you should try posting on different boards.

Apparently it's the opposite of Defeatist

>>27720692
So it's a copy of Zygarde's ability. Wow, how original, GameFreak.

>>27720097

Goddamn people, we don't know if it's -50%. It could just be from Super Effective attacks.

>>27720479
In the Japanese trailer its hit by an electro ball from a Magnezone in school form. His health drops from 66 to 16 and it transforms back.

>>27720752
it could even be for going into critical hp.

>>27720692
>>27720737
Retards can't even read the thread before posting.

>>27720754
That is... unfortunate.

>>27720900
that same trailer indicates that Wishiwashi School form will have a Base SpA around 200.
based on how much damage the wishiwashi's Hydropump did to the Magnezone that is 4 levels higher than it.

>>27720970
holy shit

>>27720097
Might be something like aegeislash

>>27720970
And it outsped a Gyarados of the same level, I believe.

>>27720970

Jesus christ

>>27720151
while the ideas cool, i feel that won't be true, it would be useless indoors

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>this base SpA
>base HP below 55
What the fuck is that, Mega Alakazam?

>>27720363

No people wouldn't be bitched and complained and never shut the fuck up

Duoblade got the exact same shitposting last gen

>>27720097
All I know is that the school form looks fucking amazing. A fish bigger than Gyarados? Holy shit yes.

>>27722070
>>27722304
The School form likely gives it a shitton of Atk, Sp Atk and Speed to fuck shit up and also a load of Def and Sp Def to make up for his pityful HP, which in-battle form changes never modify.
Depending on how schooling and de-schooling exactly work it might be banned to fucking Uber a few days after release.

>>27720363
I feel like it would be a much bigger stretch with Wishiwashi.

I mean, three Pokemon grouping together for the rest of their natural lives during maturity is one thing.

An entire school of fish mons deciding they'd remain gattai'd forever is another thing.

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Will wishiwashi's ability activate outside of surfing or by the beach?

>>27722432
>load of Def and Sp Def to make up for his pityful HP,
the Magnezone fight tentatively puts Wishiwashi's SpD at around 140 while in School form.

>>27722432
I don't think this will end up in ubers, however its stats seem pretty impressive.

>Your yfw when it's just Defeatist with a cosmetic effect

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>>27722694
Forgot to add image.

>>27720363
>having multiple pokémon together has been done before and it would have been fine
>he says as he posts two of the worst pokemon designs ever

It's going to be annoying every time you throw it out and have to sit through the schooling animation

>>27722694
Aegislash made it, so all bets are off.

>>27722777
Well they had to nerf a type only because of it

>>27722749
>Not liking trio
Magneton is pretty ok too

Pls be this

55
200
140
200
140
140

>>27722879
Jesu Christo

>>27722879
>875 BST
Seems legit.

>>27722879
>higher bst than mega rayquaza
pls no

>>27722879
>875 BST

you know the average non-evolution pokemon is like 400 right? we're talkin about from 400 to like 600, not fucking mega-ray tier

>>27722040
Not that impressive

>>27722879
eh, seems legit, seeing as taking enough damage drops the form.

>>27722432
my guess is that it will have very high atk and spatk, high speed, but only moderate defenses.
Very strong, but balanced by the fact that one good hit can revert it to a shitmon. Will probably still be OU with choice sets.

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>>27720239
>>27720325

This is retarded.

>>27723188
It doesn't evolve, it forms a school with other pokemon of its species.

>>27722388
doublade is two floating swords

wishiwashi is like a million pissy little fish forming a massive monster fish

>>27720360
Who said it was exclusive to only one Pokemon?

>>27722879

>875 BST

I'm all for it but I doubt it, maybe 55/140/120/200/140/100 or something but even that feels way too extreme

>>27722879

It'll probably just be Slaking-tier stats.

>>27722879
More like

55
130
140
130
140
90

BST: 685

>>27722879
>Higher stats than mega fug

>>27722432

The gimmick is that an OP form that can be turned off

It won't be OP for too long because it'll revert back with enough damage

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>>27722552
>>27720970
>>27722040

>mfw people will call me a smogonfag for using this, even though I was in love with its design since the corocoro reveal

I've never known this feel. How do you deal with it?

Where are people getting the idea that the form drops when he reaches below 50%?

>>27723523
You stop caring what people think about your bros.

>>27723523
He cares what children and autists think

>>27723555
In the trailer after suffering a powerful hit it reverts back to solo form.

>>27723555
jp trailer shows it taking a big hit then reverting to its normal form

>Level requirement for forme change is >50
>Forme can't change in battle facility or online multiplayer.

>>27723555
Magnezone knocks Wishiwashi out of School form with an Electroball for most of it's hp.
people are saying 50% because of precedence make by similar abilities.
>>27723599
Trailer shows a lvl 27 Wishiwashi in school form

>>27720195
Why did you think that? Literally nowhere does it say evolution.

>>27723523
Grow up

>>27722879
Maybe it acts as Huge Power for every stat?

55
90
65
90
65
65

This gives it an effective BST similar to the mega fug spread.

>>27720097
I assume it'll activate if Wishiwashi is at an lower or the same level as your opponent. It'll fear the stronger Pokémon and call for his friends.

Do we actually know if it gets knocked out of School form at 50%, or could it be in Critical?

>>27720656
Not him, but honestly, the only problem I have with Mega Evolutions and Alolan Forms is when they deliberately add less new real Pokémon because of them. Gen VI had the lowest amount of new Pokémon introduced for that reason, and we still have yet to see it won't be the case for this generation. I'd also like it if Alolan forms weren't exclusive to Gen I Pokémon for "some" reason (genwunner normie pandering, presumably).

>>27723698
What's wrong with pandering to people who have objectively good taste?

>>27723682
That makes a lot of sense actually

>>27723784
It's pretty much the opposite. Gen I is objectively the worst one in all aspects, specially designs. Genwunners are normies who watched the first season or two of the anime when they were kids, and for that reason still wanna call themselves Pokémon fans twenty years or so later. They're not really the fans who spend money on the franchise, and that's why it's stupid to pander to them. They're too busy playing the free-to-play half-assed exercise social media app to buy the real games.

>>27723837
Ah, you have severe dunning-kruger syndrome.

Gotcha.

>>27723837
every gen has its share of crappy pokemon

>>27723837
Just because gen wunners are awful people doesn't mean you have to be a contrarian idiot.

>>27720097
It's activated by being above a certain level.

In effect, it's an "evolution" that can be reverted by damage or other battle conditions. Like hitting Gyarados so hard he turned back into Magikarp. It's an ability-form combo because the mechanics for evolution preclude that sort of change.

While cool, I think it should have just been an evolution for Wishiwashi.

>>27720250
How does Drampa fit that theme?
And Wimpod... is that based on his ability? Isn't that just when he's at really low health, not below 50%?

>>27723974
Drampa has Berserk, which boost his SpA when his Hp goes below 50%.
Wimpod runs/switchs when going below 50% hp

>>27723863
How ironic. That's not how that syndrome works, but you perfectly demonstrated it.

>>27723885
Of course. But Pokémon like Electrode simply do not get made nowadays. Not even Klefki is that bad.

>>27723899
>You're not allowed to hold that opinion
Fuck off.
Plus, designs aside (people do have nostalgia goggles about that, me included), it's pretty much a consensus that Gen I is the worst. Nearly unplayable, if you're used to the standard of later games.

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>>27720970
>>27722040
So it's uber for one turn or something? Interesting.

>>27724046
The mechanics of gen 1 are pretty fucked up but there's nothing wrong with the designs

Damn, I mean, just watch 'Finding Nemo" or something...

>>27724077
They're also fundamentally the same as modern mechanics...

>>27724046
Amoonguss isn't real, apparently.

Electrode is also awesome, in the sense of a Mimic pokemon looking to self-destruct on any trainer that touches it.

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>>27724120
>They're also fundamentally the same as modern mechanics...
I mean that there were a ton of actual gameplay bugs in gen 1

Hell this image is one of the first results for "gen 1 pokemon"

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>>27724120
>Fundamentally the same=not fatally flawed

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>>27722712
>yfw it's worse than Defeatist, since disabling the ability will likely keep Wishiwashi's weaker form in play

>>27724143
So what if there were gameplay bugs? How does that change the mechanics from being so nearly identical?

Everything was the same, levels, items, evolution, the stats, IV's, EV's, some moves were physical, some were special.

>>27724204
>some moves were physical, some were special.
physical/special didn't exist in gen 1

>>27724219
Yes they did, they were just limited to certain types.

>>27724077
>Mr. Mime
>Jynx
>Magmar
>Voltorb/Electrode
>Muk
>Literally a bird with a leek
>A rock with two arms
>Diglett and Dugtrio
>Magnemite/Magneton
>Three or so boring-ass generic birds
But yes, of course gen I has good designs as well. Some are just absurd or lazy and don't fit in with the rest of the franchise, but that's normal for any franchise as long as this one in its beginning.

>>27724120
Amoonguss isn't literally a ball with two colors.
Also what the fuck are you on about the mechanics, you idiot?

>>27720097
>it will never have a more useful ability due to the gimmick

Oh well, it fits with its lore, and people can hope it's one of those Pokemon with useless abilities but good stats to compensate (i.e. Keldeo)

>>27720970
Nice.
Are there any estimates for its other stats?

>>27724240
magmar kind of looks stupid because of the head boobs but there's nothing wrong with the others

also i think the legendary birds are pretty decent

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>>27724240
>My opinion is fact!!
>what do you mean you disagree? You need glasses because CLEARLY I'm correct! Only I can experience reality objectively!

>>27724240
>Also what the fuck are you on about the mechanics.
Probably trying to point out that a bunch of uncommon bugs didn't change the fact that the game was exactly the same and hating on it is just being lazy and hipster.

It's too advanced for you.

>>27724261
yeah, 55hp and 140 SpD, and greater than 80 Spe, but not enough data for the other ones.

>>27723245

L-like Magnemite?

>>27722490
We're lead to believe only level matters.

>>27724313
>140 SpD

What the fuck

>>27720407
I'm guessing the form will be crazy powerful.

>>27724240

It's strange that Amoonguss might be less over-designed and discordant if it was just a ball. It's design is ugly, copying voltorb, and metagamey: made to confuse people into thinking it's a pokeball. How can something get fucked up so badly? The newer generations have no standards even when the technology isn't limiting them like OG.

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>>27724313
>140

>>27724268
I wasn't even referring to the legendary birds, I meant Spearow, Pidgey and Farfetch'd again. Later seasons' regional birds would at least have some personality besides "lol this one holds a leek". I've always hated Pokémon that come with an item they hold onto.

>>27724289
Chill out, sourpuss, you don't need to pee on the floor.

>>27724204
EVs worked differently in the first two gens, and IVs weren't introduced until Gen 2. Gen 2 on the whole brought plenty of positive changes to the Pokemon formula, most notably the distinction between Special Attack and Special Defense, breeding, the introduction of a couple new types to address imbalance in match-ups, and so on.

Though on the whole, the fundamental gameplay of Pokemon hasn't changed much over the years. It's still about building a party of monsters to fight against other parties of monsters using type matchups to the best of your ability. Changes in the Pokemon series are akin to changes in Dragon Quest, where most of the changes come about as Quality of Life improvements on each iteration.

>>27724475
>EV's worked differently
They could go slightly higher, that's not all that different.

However yeah, this.

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>>27724407
>regional birds would at least have some personality besides "lol this one holds a leek"
farfetch'd is based on a japanese saying

>"a duck comes bearing green onions". As a saying, it means "something surprising but convenient".

Having spearow AND pidgey doesn't make a whole ton of sense, but it's fine

>I've always hated Pokémon that come with an item they hold onto.
Do you hate pom pom crabs?

>>27724369
>>27724357
>>27724313
balk don't matter with such shit HP

>>27724357
based on the Magnazone not killing base 55 hp Wishiwashi with the super effective electroball.
it was still enough to knock the Wishiwashi out of School form so with was still going to die next turn.

>>27724544
a good Wish passer would help Wishiwashi tons.

>>27724544
for raw stats, high def/sdef provide relatively more stat than hp does because hp has basically a 1 hp/lvl buffer. so bulk sure does matter

that being said this thing needs to be a monster

>>27724595
I wonder if it would transform back.

Can it learn substitute?

>>27724569
Oh. So it's basically a potentially worse Defeatist.

Well, unless players are smart and can somehow switch this shit in without taking damage, I'm calling PU.

>>27724501
The way EVs worked in the first two gens involved adding the BSTs of every Pokemon you fought against to each individual stat. The points gained are similar to what we have now, but you could max out every stat by level 100 if you trained the Pokemon properly. Given the lack of IVs, there would be no variance in perfectly trained Pokemon by level 100.

>>27724617
I could see Wishiwashi's use in Doubles, especially with a Follw Me Pokemon.

>>27724683
there were IVs in the first two gens but they only went from 0-15
And a shiny was all 10s
and females just had lower attack IVs than males

>>27723863
>being this butthurt about facts
You got assblasted. Stay salty, my friend.

also I'm forgetting that the HP IV in gens 1 and 2 was different, based on whether the other stat IVs were odd or even (giving you a number in binary)
and there was one IV for special and special defense

I think a lot of this was to ensure compatibility between gens 1 and 2 actually

fuck how do I remember all this

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>>27722388
>>27723259

Well, with Honegde we have one sword turning into two swords turning into one sword and shield.
With Wishiwashi we have a fish schooling with hundreds of other fish of the same species for survival purposes, which is an actual thing in nature.

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>>27724730

>>27720195
Really? When it was first leaked,It was said not to be an evolution,thats what im sure of.

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>>27724617
>Gen VII introduces a Water variant of Volt Switch

>>27720312
I think it's just a way to make the concept of multiple pokemon combining to make a new creature seem less retarded. They might have heard feedback of how people think Dugtrio as an evolution is dumb.

>>27724617
>Wishiwashi's Japanese name is Yowashi
>Defeatist's Japanese name is Yowaki

>>27722432
Zygarde's forms let it change base HP

>>27725071
They could call the move "Surf's up"

>>27720250
Drampa?

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>>27726236
Drampa.
Ability Berserk - Increase SpA when at or below 50% hp

>>27724475
IVs as we know it weren't introduced until Gen III

Gen I and II had the same system for stats called DVs

>>27720097
>Be above a certain level
>Activates upon entering battle
All we know
Speculation:
>School form gets Slaking level stats in light of having no ability
>Any ability supresser will revert it to base form

>>27720382
>revert back to your preevolution
in Digimon, they do.

I can see this thing dominating lower tiers with proper support, same with formats with more than one active pokemon
>Absurd stats
>Choice items
>Potential for aqua jet and u-turn
>Low enough hp that most wish users can probably fully heal it
Need to see its speed

>>27726831
It's got at least 80, so it has a chance. If it gets Aqua Jet, which seems probable, it'll be golden.

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>>27722749
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have

>>27727025
I've gotta know. Are you just one guy reposting this meme? Or are there more of you?

>>27720357

so its a mega evolution?

>>27727059
No.
Wishiwashi's ability lets it assume its School form until it's taken some amount of damage, at which point the school splits up and leaves the lone fish behind. It's more similar to Archeop's Defeatist ability, except the base stats of the Wishiwashi school are significantly different from the base form.

>>27724204
>items
Held items didn't exist in Gen I, and by extension, items as a whole weren't present in any PvP.
>the stats
Gen I had a single Special Stat, instead of Sp.Atk and Sp.Def. This led to special attackers being the focus of the meta, especially with shit like Amnesia, which would be the equivalent of two Calm Minds in one turn.
>IV's
Ranged from 0-15, rather than 0-31. Since breeding didn't exist at the time, there was no reliable way to get good IVs.
>EVs
Every stat had Stat Experience, ranging from 0-65335. This functioned like modern EVs, but each stat could be maxxed out, like having 255 EVs in every stat nowadays, which would be impossible. EV training was also different, as Stat experience gained from a Pokemon equaled their base stats.
>some moves were physical, some moves were special
Whether a move was Physical or Special was dependent entirely on it's type. Fire Punch and Flamethrower were both calculated using the Special Stat, and Body Slam and Hyper beam were both calculated using the Attack and Defence Stats.

So yeah, gameplay-wise, a lot has changed since Gen I.

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>>27725988

>>27729607
You don't know what "a lot" is, anon.