Is it ok to battle using pokemon that I like instead of pokemon

>>27629322
Only in the games, only this kind of autism is banned

It's Ok, but don't cry when spread your boipucci with Garchomp and Volcanion

You will need a team that is a mix of both.

If you have a baton passer or some other gimmick; it makes using the mons you like much easier.

>>27629322
Only if you don't mind losing all the time

>>27629322
As long as you don't complain when you lose, yes. You could take the middle route and use 1 or 2 Pokemon you like and support it with other Pokemon, those types of teams are still perfectly viable, if not optimal.

>>27629322
If you can do some gimmicky scoliopede baton pass you can make any mon viable 2bh.

The problem is whether or not you have enough atk/spatk to sweep.

>>27629322
If you're playing competitively, no.

If you're playing for fun, no.

Basically if you're playing for any other reason besides the main quest story, no.

>>27629322

In-game? Sure, use whatever Pokemon you want. Literally any Pokemon can be good enough to win.

Competitively? Sorry, no. I mean, you *can* use whatever you want, just don't expect to win too often.

>Story of anime and games says the strongest trainers are ones with deep bonds with their pokemon
>Game mechanics makes it so the strongest trainers go through selective breeding and calculated training methods
But, but, my trust and love should make them stronger.

>>27629322
That's the only way I do it.

Do what you like, otherwise what's the point?

Only if you're ignorant of the mechanics, otherwise it's deliberate stupidity.

I got back to competetive playing after 3 years and I always try to get Heracross and sometimes Empoleon on my team, you just need to find a good way to make them great to use.

I'm just around 1300 on smogon (started playing a couple days ago) but I find that if you do what this anon said >>27629420
you should be good, I love mew and heracross so I made mew a baton pass mon and boost heracross speed so I can mega evolve and fuck people up with a 400 speed Mega Heracross.

But ofc, Heracross is pretty viable, if you want to play with a 400 base status pokémon I dont think you'll have a good time but you can always try.

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>>27629322
Yes, but you're not allowed to cry if you lose.

>>27629322
You can always play lower tiers

Just pray that the multiplayer tournament function in Sun/Moon works and hope that /vp/ has Karenfag tourneys

>>27629619
Am I allowed to cry when I win?

>>27629718
Only if you're strong.

>>27629322
Yes but you will lose.

>>27629322
>there are people in this thread telling OP that it's not ok to play a certain way
>there are people in this thread literally telling him he has to play a certain way to have fun with a Tibetian toddler's board game when he might have fun playing a different way

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>>27629322
>tfw you like badass strong Pokemon enough to make a competitive team of favorites

>>27629861
To be fair, they're not saying anything about fun.
They're saying win/lose.

>>27629861

OP said "to win." People are telling him that he has to play a certain way "to win," which is entirely accurate.

>>27629890
And most of them play stall team on Showdown and cry when a someone set up in front of them and they have nothing to kill it

>>27629890
I missed that actually, you're right.

Remember when a Pachirisu won a world championship?

>>27629322
It's OK in the same way that it's OK to root for the Chicago Cubs. You will never, ever win, and the thought doesn't really count, so all that matters is that you're paying for the game.

>>27630008

Yes. Remember when that totally meant that any player could use a team of only their favorite Pokemon and win a world championship because that's totally how the game works?

>>27629861
Actually, no they're not. Every single poster was talking about how viable it would be in competitive play.

>>27629322
For the main game, yeah sure no problem.

For online however this deep into the generation you will fight min/maxers/injectors. You will lose most online battles

>>27630008
Pachirisu has a niche, you fucking faggot. Just because some amazing player that is literal ages ahead of you skillwise used a niche Pokemon and won a tour doesn't mean your cringe ass can win with Red's Mt. Silver team.

>>27629607
I basically do the same thing as you but I use Cresselia to Trick Room and then proceed to sweep with mega Heracross.

However I am bit retarded so alot of my mons get taken out because of sloppy play and I have to rely on Togekiss to flinch 3-4 mons to death.

>>27629322
Yes, just be sure to use the most gimmicky strategies imaginable to really piss off the faggots who use genies and OP megas.

>>27630176
Would there be a way to separate competitive and casuals?

>>27630318

How? What's to stop people from using the best available Pokemon in the casual tier?

As long as there are Pokemon that are inherently better than others, those Pokemon will always be necessary to win.

>>27629942
Except it's not. You can use less than optimal mons and still win against cookie-cutter OU teams if your strategy is sound.
And as long as you don't fill your team with Ledian tier mons of course.

>>27629607
Empoleon is actually pretty good in OU

Has anyone every tried the toxic spikes + Durant entraiment strategy?

where you set toxic spikes, baton pass a speedboost to durant who use entraiment to swap abilities to keep forcing switches?

I wish they would put tiers in battle spot
I like battling in RU and little cup a lot and want to do it in the games

>>27630278
>>27630404
sub-1200 faggots detected

>>27630318
Nope. A Pikachu sadly will never be able to beat anything other than low tier pokemon online.

Well, this one time I had a volt tackle pikachu that went after someone elses Cloyster who used Shell Smash and I 1HKO'd it.

But no, there will always be min/maxers and people all over the world coming up with the best builds, pokes and strats. for how casual the game/series is suppost to feel, its pretty brutal online

>>27630448
Is it weird that a game with such casual target audience ends up having such competitive meta?

>>27630404

Less-than-optimal, sure. Unless all of your favorites happen to be a good set of less-than-optimal species, then that's still playing a "certain way" that you wouldn't otherwise, which I think is what OP was asking.

I'm not saying that only a full Smogon-approved team can win, but there are still a lot of requirements to even have a shot at success.

>>27630429
Flamethrower and switch to a Rapid Spinner
If you don't have at least one spinner in this shitfest we call a meta or don't realize that you're gonna lose if you keep switching mons like a retard then you deserve to get your ass kicked by a fucking ant.

>>27630485

I don't think so. Complaints aside, that's the hallmark of a deep, well-developed set of game mechanics. You can play for "fun" and still get a full experience out of it, or play competitively and have a different experience within the same mechanics.

>>27630429
>Mega Sableye

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>You cant use the Pokemon you like and win competitively

>>27630515
>>27630540
Ah, I forgot about magic bounce and Excadrill, who's also immune to toxic.

>>27630544
I don't care what anyone says, gimmicks are fucking great.

>tfw your rating tanks the 1000s because you always try to formulate gimmick teams and get BTFO

I think "competitive pokemon" shit has infected most non-competitive players. I think the surefire way to know if somebody is a tryhard faggot is if they setup Spikes and Stealth Rock. You really have to go out of your way to get pokemon with that setup and likely did a lot of reading about it online.

>>27630532
Kind of sad to see that casuals can't play against each other of the same level of skill without competitive types rolling over them.

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>>27630605
>You really have to go out of your way to get pokemon with that setup and likely did a lot of reading about it online.

>>27630605
There's something curious about the game of Pokémon. You would never know what pokémon were the strongest of all of them because you only raise the ones you care about.

>>27629322
If you're playing VGC no, if you play 6v6 you can use whatever and win in smogon bs.

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>>27630733

>>27630680
See? You had to look it up.

>>27630773
kek

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>>27630772
I see people usually get caught up in trying to predict and just get hit by SEs

>>27629322
What if you like Pokemon that have the best base stats/ability/move?

>>27630680
Every basic rock type learns it it kind of annoyed me in Y

>>27630544
That is a shitty example. Nobody likes Pachirisu. It was the only Pokémon that did what Sejun needed.

>>27630817
Have you ever heard the saying about swordfighting, something along the lines of "fighting a rookie swordsman is the hardest, because you cannot tell what they are going to do?"

It's exactly the same in Pokemon, and every other competitive meta.

>>27629322
Yeah
>>27630830
Why not both?

>>27630865
Maybe a statement on the futility of organizing chaos

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>>27629322
Hello all. I'm wanting to trafe my mewtwo and His megastore for Zard stone y

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>>27630887
Yeah haha I know right

You should be able to manage doing both. If viable mons and your favourite bros have zero overlap with each other, you need to reexamine your taste.

>>27630947
>Steven universe

>>27631023
Stop this shit right fucking now.

>>27629322
If some pokémon are better than most is there no point to being competitive?

>>27629322
Well, despite being outclasses by Conkeldurr, Machamp managed to snag 2013 and 2015 vgc seniors championship as well as landing top 4 in 2014 vgc masters world so i suppose it depends on the teammate and how you play

Then again bringing a Hitmonchan with you is a conpletely different scenario

>>27631335
If you're going to use smogon's cookie cutter teams then the answer's no, there's no point.
Also, if you play singles then you should probably kill yourself.

>>27631469
I played "singles" once, asked me to pick three and I left
Where is 1v1

>>27631505
Why would you want to play rock paper scissors?

>>27631505
In the battle agaisnt friends

>>27629535
Guess what, the Pokemon still love you for it. Hatching them even lands you a higher base happiness.

>>27631575
I've never played with another person, nobody around plays

How do you make a good team without relying on staple OUmons? I've seen a guy in the 1600s beat a guy in the 1500s with a team where the only decent pokemon he had was Conkeldurr.

>>27629322
Sure it's OK. Just don't expect to win ever or anything.

So why are there other tiers besides OU and not OU?

>>27630721
wat
Box legends tend to be the best and they're always presented as such

>>27631776
Is that what is overused? Why does everyone talk about garchomp and metagross

>>27631802
No, I'm talking about in general. You can always tell what's the best because the game itself tends to present certain Pokemon in that way. Box legends especially.

Then there's pseudos which are presented in a positive light as well, and most of them range from decent to great

>>27631802
OU is made up of pokemon that are strong but not OP, which are confined to the Uber tier.

Groudon would wreck Garchomp anyday but less play Ubers than OU.

>>27629322
It's fine for in-game nonsense, but beware the autistic NEETs who will talk shit because you aren't jacking it to the tier lists.

Does anyone play fancy battles?

My 3 favorite Pokémon are Starmie, Mega Lopunny and Clefable. I know all 3 are great by themselves, is there a way to make a vible team based on them?

>>27631656
You take a mon or two and then simply build a team that's designed to make them as OP as possible. It's not rocket surgery, m8.

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>>27629322
Yes. It is called being a Karenfag (as opposed to the opposite, a Smogonfag).

/vp/ used to debate this incessantly, but that topic hasnt come up in some time.

>>27629879
you mean tfw when your taste is spoonfed to you?

Using weird fuckers has only been viable for me in Double Battles because having copypasted strategies don't necessarily work there. Aside from that, Victreebel goes on my OU team every time.

>>27634061
Fuck I forgot about that argument
This place used to be even more cancerous

>>27629322
>instead of pokemon that would have the best base stats/ability/move
If you train them, then you'll grow to like them.

Figure out how those pokemon work competitively, then use them to their best ability.
You'd be surprised. Just because one pokemon has a higher BST or is in OU in smogon, that doesn't mean it's always going to beat out the weaker mons. Just better chances.
My favorite pokemon is Ariados/Spinarak. It's kinda crap, but does better than you'd expect in the competitive scene, because I know how to use it.
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