Z-moves are going to be the best coverage moves. You can't

>Sunny Day Serperior with Inferno Overdrive and HP Ground/Rock as coverage

mmh

>>27525895
>wasting a itemslot for a move you can only use once

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>>27525895
This will really help the stall meta

>>27525895
I can see them used as coverage on sweepers who have Dragon Dance/Nasty Plot/Quiver Dance/Rock Polish, so you don't end up with 2 attacking moves of the same type

>>27525955

They probably are almost 1-hit K.O moves and far stronger than explosion.

>>27526005
That's a pretty nice idea. Volcarona can have a one time nuke Bug stab and could run more coverage instead of Bug Buzz

>>27525895
I hope not all z-moves are just pure offensive ones. some kinda status z-move could be cool

Is it confirmed you can give a Z move to something outside its type?

Like give, I dunno, Rayquaza a fairy type one.

>>27526123
As long as it has a move of the Fairy type, yes.

>>27526123
rayquaza would need to have a fairy type move in its set to be able to use a fairy z-move

>>27526159
>>27526161
Where's your source? I mistakenly thought it was STAB only.

A flashier Natural Gift

>>27526200
>There are two conditions for performing Z-Moves: a Pokémon must learn a move of the same type as a Z-Crystal, and it must be holding the corresponding Z-Crystal.

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/z-moves/

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>>27525895
>Greninja, Aegislash, etc are invited back to OU with the "50/50" argument now dead

What do you think the base power will be?

>>27525955
There are plenty of times where there's not really a good item to choose so you just slap on leftovers or something, especially if item clause is active. This can easily turn a wall or a counter into merely an annoyance.

>>27526408
I'd guess something like 180, so V-Create tier

Not a fan. This is another instance of "strong types only get stronger."

Some types like grass and bug have horrible offense, and it's not worth using an item for a bug coverage move, which is resisted by like 7 types and on SE against like 3. Meanwhile types that are already good because they already have good offensive coverage get another tool at their disposal, and another way to nuke opponents

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post tfw z crystals can be recycled

>>27525930
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI

>>27525930
>Grass type
>with a Fire type Z-move

>>27528304
Z-Moves are based on the Pokemon's attacks, not their own type.

>>27528337
And technically, Hidden Power is Normal type.

>>27526408
I think 200 just above V-Create.

I'm wondering if there will be physical variant or if its just automatically whatever you're strongest attacking stat is or something.

>>27528395
>Sunny Day

>>27525895
Gotta sacrifice your item slot for just one use. They'll only be viable on a small number of sets, mostly Unburden mons probably.

>>27528452
But if that was the case, literally everything in the game would have a fire Z-move. I bet there will be another restriction like the move that can turn into a Z-move needing to be an attack or something.
>everything with hands gets an ice, a thunder and a fire-type Z-move

>>27526408
250

>>27528675
Glad you are not the one who makes the games, John GameFreak.

>>27528758
I'm just trying to use logic, anon. About everything in the game learns Sunny Day, so wouldn't that same everything getting to unleash a fucking nuke be a little farfetched? Status moves come in a fuckton of types, I doubt that GameFreak would have forgotten about this.
Little do you know that I'm actually Jack Gamefreak!

>>27526284
>Isn't specified that the "same type move" must deal damage
Oh boy

>>27526284

Welp, this will destroy the metagame. Smogon need to ban this shit already

>>27528130
Recycle? I don't think Z crystals are disposable, just like mega stones

>>27526005

You don't need to have that attack in your pokemon, the pokemon just need to be able to learn an attack with the same type of the Z-move that you want.

>http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/z-moves/
>There are two conditions for performing Z-Moves: a Pokémon must learn a move of the same type as a Z-Crystal, and it must be holding the corresponding Z-Crystal.

>>27529815
I heavily doubt it. It takes up your move slot, it takes up an item slot and you can only use it once per battle. It can be handy in certain situations, but it won't be game breaking.

>>27529982
Most likely the "must learn a move of the same type --" means that the Pokemon has to also have it in one of the move slots. Otherwise it would be something like "must be able to learn a move of the same type --"

>>27526408
400 BP

>>27530073
>let me just switch Aggron in on this Talonflame-
and it had hidden power fighting. Aggron is down.
Many pokemon already use surprise moves to bust through checks, z moves may actually end up being too powerful.

>>27530312
Hidden Power is a normal-type move.

>>27530312
And again, you can only do that once per battle. It won't be game breaking. Plus as >>27530425
said, you actually need to have a move of that type, hidden power will likely not count.