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In the past few generations, there has been a lot of complaining

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In the past few generations, there has been a lot of complaining from fans about "random" types from Gamefreak.

Types in Pokémon are all ELEMENTS, even the ones that describe physical characteristics, like Bug, Dragon and Ghost. This is evidenced by things like the Plates, Gems, Hidden Power, Natural Gift, etc. These objects and berries are imbued with the essence of Pokémon types and their advantages. Hidden Power and moves like Dragon Pulse (which can be learned by non-Dragon Pokémon, for example) show that there's an "energy" to each power, that can be used by a variery of things. What is a Dragon Pulse? It's a pulse of "draconic" elemental energy.

Pokémon types just mean that a given Pokémon has as affinity and ease to use and control those elements, or has their energy running within them. What is Granbul? It's a "dog" Pokémon highly intimate with the Fairy element, just like Growlithe is a dog Pokémon of the Fire element. Of course, some elemental characteristics are easier to describe than others (like Fire, Water, etc) but they all have a set of symbolisms and a distinct flavor. Fairy is the playful/whimsical element (Play Rough, Mr. Mime) but it's also the "purity", "light" element (Gardevoir, Xerneas, Tapu Koko), and their designs draw inspiration from things like that, or even some malicious fairies like Mawile. Dragon, when it's not inspired by literal dragons or dragon-puns (like Mega Ampharos and Alolan Exeggutor), is the "legend", "power" type, the big mythical element, contrasted with the delicate and mysterious Fairy.

(cont.)
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>>27505989

(cont.)

People argued that Ghost type Pokémon are literal ghosts, that they are dead spirits of once living things, even when things like Snorunt evolving into Froslass proved that not all Ghost Pokémon are "dead". Now we have the Sensu Style Oricorio, who "gathers the spirits" to perform its dance, proving my point, which is:

GameFreak can slap any type they want onto anything, and yes it does make sense. Stop complaining and pay attention to the series you follow so closely.
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>>27505989
Good explanation, though I struggle to imagine Bug as an element.
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>>27506064
I think Bug as a type of "energy" involves characteristics such as persistence and maybe a bit of annoyingness, breaking the concentration of your enemies (Struggle Bug, Bug Buzz, the advantage of Psychic, although there is also the "fears" theory). It's a kind of willingess-to-survive and grow fast and thrive aenergy I think, since Bugs do have a lot of weaknesses and evolve very early. It's one of the hardest ones, but it's there. That's what the Bug "Hidden Power" is to me, things that reflect the behaviour of bugs.
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Polite bump because I want to discuss something interesting and relevant instead of the constant shitposting.
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>>27505989
>orange gem
I wonder which type they put it on this time?
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>>27506543
Also, there's no way they put enough notches to store 18 gems.
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>>27506133
I liked this idea overall but I'd like to add that bugs are generally swarming and that would be akin to unity. As well as, perseverance and assisted growth.
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>>27506543
Orange is Fighting
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>>27506543
It's Fighting.

>>27506575
Yeah, you'll probably only be able to store a few at a time.

I think this Type thing is extremely relevant this gen. It really seems like they're putting a lot of emphasis on them, with the Z-Moves and the whole color coded islands, island guardians, trial captains and the unorthodox typings and type variations.
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>>27506658
Yeah, and I'm curious to see if we'll get more Normal split-types. I'm loving all of it though.
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>>27506658
>>27506642

Wow, the Fairy symbol sucks. I like all the other ones though.

First row:
Electric, Fire, Grass, Water, Fighting, Normal

Second row:
Steel, Rock, Poison, Ghost, Dark, Bug, Flying, Dragon

Third row:
Ice, Fairy, Psychic, Ground
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>>27506642
Fuck, that actually looks kinda cool, even though it looks like you can only have 5 in at once. I love the Symbols too.
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>>27505989
I'm just going to buy the crystal for my favored type just to have.
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>>27506768
I wonder if it will be too expensive.
It will probaly only work with the New 3DS too, right?
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>>27506642
>>27506658
I can't tell which one is Rock and which one is Steel
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>>27506824
Maybe. I highly doubt the individual crystals will be expensive. They're plastic thingies for a children's toy.
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>>27506862
See >>27506723

Steel is always grey, Rock is always some shade of brown/ocre.
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>>27506939
Okay, should've thought of that. That and I was confused on what in the world the spiral was.
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>>27506658
>normal symbol is a stylized ring of Arceus

deepest lore?
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>>27506889
Yeah, I'd wager these wouldn't cost too much. Probably less than a Kamen Rider belt w/ accessories, which already aren't too expensive. Usually.
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>>27507024
You might be onto something.
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>Everyone talking about the bracelet
>No one talking about OPs point

I don't know what I expected.
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>>27507170
What about his point? You got something to say, white boy?
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>>27507024
Normal confirmed for god tier typing
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>>27507170
There's no real need to respond to it because there's no need to respond to people whining about typing anyways
If they don't like it they can fuck off
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>>27507230
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>>27506642
>>27506658
So what will they do, exactly? Has that been revealed yet?
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>>27507322
Well they look like they could be quite fun to insert into yourself
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>>27506658
>>27506642
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I agree OP, pokemon typing's have always been symbolic more than anything.

look at the attack description of aqua tail for instance: The user attacks by swinging its tail as if it were a vicious wave in a raging storm.


fire types are not just weak to actual water they are weak even to the concept of water itself.

its all very esoteric.
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Well, even classical elements have some connection to characteristics of a person. I thought it was plain that the types are their own energy in the poke world, though. It's just that energy is manifested as a certain kind of creature in some cases. I am not a Bug person, but I will agree with it's the energy having to do with social aspects and the strength of many. Dragon, the type I do have an affinity to, is power, ambition, will, leadership. I am not nearly so bombastic, though. I am incredibly stubborn and will give up for nothing. I could probably sit here all day and philosophize on the types, but I'm not going to.
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>>27507322
They allow the use of a once-per-battle super move, called a Z-move. Just as there is one crystal for each type, there is one z-move per type as well. It's explained in Pokemon's latest video on their Youtube channel.
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>>27507428
No, I mean the real toy/object, not the in-game thing.
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>>27507458
It glows when a Z-move is available to use and lets you activate it by pushing the crystal instead of the screen. It's just a novelty.
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>>27507365
Ooooh, that's cool as fuck. Maybe there will be a bundle with the game + bracelet + case? I'd buy it.

>>27507392
Exactly! It's much more esoteric than physical or even chemical. It's basically magic.

>>27507405
Oh, but do, anon! This is kind of stuff I love Pokémon for.

The other day I was arguing with an anon that thought that the distinction between Ghost and Psychic is blurry. Same for between Ghost and Dark and even Poison. I mean, really? You can't see how they're different?
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>>27507458
Oh. It hasn't been too clarified, but they say that the toy can connect to the game somehow, like bluetooth. If the real band and the one in the game have the same z-crystal, then when the crystal is activated in the game, the real-life band will vibrate, light up, and make sounds like the ones in the game.
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>>27507405
My favorite Type is Fairy and I'm very much like what the type represents. I'm fun, daydreamy and kind, but also a bit vain and irresponsible, "head in the clouds" kind of person. I even got Fairy in that "official" Pokémon type quiz.
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>>27507531
>>27507499
Gimmicky Novelty item, okay, that's wht I thought, thanks.


I'm still probably going to get it, with at least 5 Crystals.
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>>27507508
There isn't one with the game, but there is a bundle where the bracelet comes with 6 crystals and a case for around 45-50 dollars.

Also, TOMY's listings say that the crystals themselves will be sold in sets of 3 for around $6 per pack, bringing the total cost of the original bundle plus every crystal pack to around $122 for the whole thing, at max.
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>>27507591
I'm Bug because I'm a weak fuck that only exists out of spite
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>>27507508
No, you don't.

I don't believe Dark is evil. It is the basic survival instinct in all of us. It may seem cruel, but we all do it. Dark, I feel, is something more. It is a sanctuary. A place to hide. A place where we put away the things we don't want everyone to see. A place we protect WITH OUR LIVES. Darkness is the night. Darkness is intimacy. Darkness is protection.

No one will agree with me. That is my darkness.
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>>27507591
Here is the quiz for those that haven't taken it:

http://www.pokemon20.com/en-us/fun.html
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>>27507654
Wait, shit. I miscalculated. The bundle of the band, collector case, and 6 crystals, all costing 4849 yen, and four crystal 3-packs, each costing 599 yen, would add up to $72. my bad.
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>>27505989
I want this thing just to have it one display.
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>>27507730
>very first question
I want to do none of these.
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What about Fairy seemingly have a very strong relation to flowers? Yes, battle mechanic wise it's a relation with the whole Grass type, but flavor wise it seems to be specifically flowers (Flower Shield, Florges, Comfey). Also, Florges and Comfey are not flowers/plants themselves, they carry/dress up in flowers.

I think it has to do with Fairy's connection with feminity, reproduction, the sacred feminine of alchemy, tying it to the "spring", the "blooming" of new life (Xerneas).
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>>27507709
Come on, edgelord.

In Japanese, Dark type is known as "Aku", Japanese for "evil." Most mons in the dark type are mischievous, if not outright malicious in their behaviors. Pokemon like Scraggy, Honchcrow, and Weavile fit this description well.
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>>27507709
Nah Dark is malicious intent which is picked up painfully by Psychics but defeated by actual strength (Fighting)
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>>27507837
>>27507856
And now you get nothing. I told you you don't want to listen to me.
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>>27507837
>>27507856

Not him, but just like Fairy type is not just literal fairies and sometimes it's the "Light" type, "Evil" type is not all evil. Some are just connected to the night/darkness/shadows or misunderstood because of that (Umbreon and Absol come to mind).
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>>27507890
IDK anon, even moves that are seemingly elemental like Dark Pulse are described as evil ("a pulse imbued with dark thoughts" or something).

But then again, the Spectacular Talent for Dark does show a big red moon, so really I think it's both evil and literal darkness.
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>>27507807
What do want to do then?
There's all possible options in a wild Pokémon encounter right there.
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>>27507928
The only part I will agree with is that it's instinctual. Anyone that truly wants to understand everything knows there's no such thing as good or evil.
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>>27507959
>Guys, guys. This man that kidnapped and slowly skinned alive and raped a girl while removing her teeth one by one just for pleasure isn't evil! Good and evil doesn't exist!
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>>27507730
>Which pokemon merchandise do you enjoy besides video games?

Wow so manipulative
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>>27507957
I will befriend a pokemon, but I will not force them to come with me. That is the closest answer I can give.
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>>27508031
Nigga that ice bear will kill you dead
You need to run or fight
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>>27508031
OK James, then put it to sleep and go away. There. That's the answer most fitting with your personality trait.
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>>27507730
>What do you most like to do in your spare time?
>Musicals and the fucking Garbage-tier Studios are options, but breeding isn't
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>>27507996
It is no one's place to tell them what to do. Nature has no such limitations. If you believe that's horrible, that's fine, but the person themselves will find it completely justified. No one does anything without believing something about it.
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>>27508061
I would first assess if it is hostile. If it is, then by all means, run. If I have no reason to find it hostile, then I do not find the choices present to be fair.
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>>27508119
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>now makes a connection between nihilism and Ghost types
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>>27508350
What connection?
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>>27508350
>...and also being nameless, and thus substanceless. Nothing matters to you because you aren't matter.
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>>27508350
But how can a nihilist hold a grudge or enough wrath to curse someone?

>>27508402
They rage against the dying of the light tbqh
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>>27508553
No consequences.
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>>27505989
Nice thread. Can't say I disagree with anything.
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>>27506642
>>27506658
I NEED THIS
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>>27505989
autism
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>>27507730
Kek

I'm a normie
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>>27508256
Holy shit I remember these guys on flipnote. My brother loved them.
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>>27507730
I usually got Flying, but when redoing it and changing something minimal and apparently irrelevant like going to the Pokémon Musicals instead of Pokémon Contests is enough to give me fucking Poison

What's even the logic of this
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>>27509737
When I changed the professor from Sycamore to Birch (my two daddies) I got from Fairy to Grass, but I guess in this case it makes sense, since Sycamore is from Kalos and Birch is all outdoorsy.
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>>27507730
I'm pretty happy with this result because to everybody kept telling me I'm way too manly
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>>27507365

>Grass, Water, Fire
>Steel, Rock, Poison
>Normal, Electric, Fighting
>Ghost, Dark, Bug
>Ground, Flying, Psychic
>Dragon, Ice, Fairy

What did they mean by this?
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>>27507730
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

But seriously, that's a pretty fun quiz. I like that you can't tell which answers connect to which type for a lot of the questions. Also thought the one about why you couldn't go to work was hilarious.
>Sorry boss, I can't come in today. There's an invisible lizard in my driveway.
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>>27509596
Author's Epicguitar.

he's potoobrigham on tumblr if you're interested.
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>>27507730
ayyy
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>>27509915
>Grass, Water, Fire
Starters
>Ghost, Dark, Bug
Psychic's weakness
>Dragon, Ice, Fairy
Dragon's weakness

The rest just seems random
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>>27507730
>Flying Type
I am very okay with this.
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>>27506642
>no one seems exited that we have symbols for the types exclusive to the games
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>>27510432
I am. I plan on using the Dragon symbol for something. I believe my last analysis of what pokemon I like indicated I otherwise like a blend of common types (Grass, Fire, Electric) Though I think it also revealed I have a strange affinity for Fighting types.
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>>27510432
I am, but I don't like that they made all of them "tribal". And the Fairy symbol sucks.
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>>27505989
I dunno.

I've always thought that types get "discovered" (Dark, Steel, Fairy) because people have discovered a different way the pokemon's natural powers work.
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>>27507709
Darkness is underhanded tactics (Nasty Plot, Knock Off).

This can be connected to Psychic which is about seeing through your opponent and "enhancing" you abilities through concentration (Calm Mind, Agility).

So Dark type tricks Psychic type, which is about reading your opponent
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>>27507996
>literally not an argument
This is perceived evil. Most people would agree, but it doesn't make it any more subjective.

You need an actual argument that morality objectively exists.
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>>27507996
>>27508256
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pooh-pooh

I'm not even the one with the positive claim, you are.
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>>27510934
The majority of the world thinks that is morally wrong. Having the political and social power to prosecute people violating these morals makes them true.

>b-but muh philosophy

I don't care, nor does anyone else. There.
Wew lad, this was ez.
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>>27511079
>morals
>makes them true.

You don't even understand the argument, do you?
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>>27511079
>true
Widely agreed upon.
Still not objective.

>I don't care what you say, therefore I can't be wrong
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>>27511079
And I can kill you, too, thus making me right by that logic.
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>>27511136
>>27511141
If literally everyone agrees with me, no, I don't have to give a shit. It's the law and truth for all intents and purposes. It's what's real, hypotheticals don't concern me.
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>>27511262
Everyone? Hardly. You think everyone agrees with the law? We would have no problems if that was true.
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>>27507730
ground type

I'm the least edgy type. I like it
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>>27511294
And moreover our government wouldn't be THE BIGGEST FUCKING JOKE ON THE FACE OF THE PLANET
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>>27511229
Yes! That's the beauty of it. It's simple, get rid of anything that disagrees with you and be in the right by default.

Good luck succeeding with that though.
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>>27511262
I don't agree with you, therefore "literally everyone" does not agree with you. Therefore your argument is wrong, false, and defeated.

Wew lad, this was ez.
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>>27511262
>If everyone agrees Earth is flat, that's 100% the case
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>>27511324
So basically you agree morality isn't objective.
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I have nothing to add to this other than I appreciate seeing actual discussions about lore and shit instead of just furfag, bait or general shit posting that I typically see on 4chan.
Thanks op you're good people.
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>>27511338
Well, they would know no differently at any rate.

That's why everything is just a point of view, though. Perception is at the center of everything. It's not possible for us to think the same because we are inherently different. I cannot be you and you cannot be me.
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Discussion? I only have a marginal technicality to give you. Otherwise, I'm being memed up the ass by malcontents.
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>>27511393
>Well, they would know no differently at any rate.

Wouldn't make it any less correct, tho.
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>>27511431
*more
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>>27506000
Marshadow will be a normal/ghost death horse.
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>>27507499
It's something I would have loved as a kid.

I feel like getting a baby now to teach it all this uncool nerd stuff. I reckon the chinese have plenty of spare babies.
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>>27511652
It's sad. A legitimately interesting discussion getting derailed by fucking edgy autistis discussing about if there really is evil and good. Go somewhere else.
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>>27507730
>Make it faint
>Asleep
>Juniper
>Humilau City
>Soar
>Game Freak HQ
>The elite four
>Battle Frontier
>Mt. Moon
>Watching Pokemon Episodes
>Name Rater
>Invisible Kecleon is in the way
>Water
>Unova
>Training my Pokemon

I guess I'm a normal type
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>>27512092
Shit choices, mate.
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>>27507730

Edgy Type.

>Make it faint
>Confused
>Sycamore
>Humilau City
>Roller Skates
>Oceanic Museum
>Elite Four
>Battle Frontier
>Castelia Sewers
>Dreaming about Pokemon
>Daycare Manager
>Using Flash
>Grass
>Unova
>Making my Pokemon stronger
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>>27515089
Oh shit wrong pic.
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>>27507730
>http://www.pokemon20.com/en-us/fun.html

I actually got my least favourite type
Just kill me now
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