How do so many of you dislike this? Especially after Chesnaught?

His head looks like shit. The red X tie is stupid and those ugly fucking glasses ruin it. Red triangles inside his wings look stupid and the feather on his head is stupid.

It's a good idea utterly ruined with terrible choices.

>>27501728
The glasses, i hope these fakemons remain fake

I don't like bird Pokemon but it's fine, I just prefer Luchakitty and Poppmaid more.

>>27501766
>fakemons
Hate to break it to you anon, but they're legit. Best you can hope for is they're early drafts that are completely different.

For all we know the early designs were deliberately leaked to see community reacts so they'd know if they need changed.

>>27501791
>deliberately leaked to see if they need to be changed
This is an anime reference sheet. The designs have been finalized.

>>27501752
>His head looks like shit.
It is covered by a grass hood.

>The red X tie is stupid and those ugly fucking glasses ruin it.
I give you the X tie, but the glasses look very good, and those make it look like a hunter.

>Red triangles inside his wings look stupid
The moonrunes say those are its arrows, and it carries them on its wings

>and the feather on his head is stupid.
Its a decent add-on in the design

>>27501791

You sure are reaching for the stars there.

>>27501728
Either get rid if the edgy hood or get rid of the glasses. They dont go together. Id be fine with keeping one of those two triata, but not both.

>>27501728
It's my favorite out of the three. Yet I still dislike the feathers and the wings. They are very simplistic, he fingers could have been more detailed. I like everything else, though.

It's a bit too busy a design to be honest. Far too much shit going on.

That said it's the best of the three.

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>>27502673
lol stay mad!

>>27501728
HANDS
ALL OF THE STARTERS HAVE STINKY GARBAGE POO POO HANDS

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What's wrong with the "glasses" (facial markings)? They look nice to me, and it is an owl, so it looks fitting.

The legs, they're stupidly long and take up most of it's body, and the wings not being attached to the back also look bad.

I really wanted Owltair to be real but i'm okay with Arrowl.

>>27501728
I hate the fact that it seems to be raising its finger while talking. What the fuck? Fuck humanoid starters. Starters should be pets that turn into beasts you can ride. Fuck Blaziken for starting this shitty trend.

>>27502940

>I hate the fact that it seems to be raising its finger while talking. What the fuck?

What's so confusing? Seems like a pretty typical "super smart character anime pose".

>>27501728
Grass/Flying

Defensive
x4
Ice
x2
Poison, Fire, Flying, Rock
x1
Bug, Normal, Electric, Psychic, Ghost, Dragon, Steel, Dark, Fairy
x0.5
Water, Fighting
x0.25
Grass
x0
Ground

Offensive
Super-Effective against: Water, Ground, Rock (Grass). Grass, Bug, Fighting (Flying)

Not Very Effective: Grass, Poison, Fire, Flying, Bug, Dragon, Steel (Grass). Electric, Rock, Steel (Flying)

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>>27502825
I tried fixing the wing issue, makes it look a lot better in my opinion.

>>27501728
It is indeed an improvement over Shitnaught but it still doesn't look grass type. That and the wings and feathers are too cartoony.

>>27501728
What's the problem with the glasses?

The way I see it, they help him scope in on his target.

I dislike his legs.
I also dislike the fact that he for some reason reminds me of Greninja.

I feel like they're making specific Pokemon to BE popular every generation now.

>>27501728
Literally the only people hating on owl are just butthurt chesnaughtfags who're angry that every other grass starter is superior to shitnaught.

>>27501728
>especially after Chesnaught
Chesnaught was fucking awesome. Rowlett's final evo looks awesome, /vp/ just has shit taste,that's the way it is and that's the way it will always be.

>>27503068
>being this retarded
Chesnaught followed up that flop of a starter that is Serperior. Design-wise, Chesnaught blows it out of the fucking water.

>>27502979
That's what he doesn't like about it anon

>>27503004

>a cartoon monster is cartoony

woah

>>27503072
>>27503102
Serperior is more popular than Chesnaught you fucking tards, that means that Serperior is objectively better than Chesnaught. Fuck off Chesnaughtfags.

>>27502640
hunters wear glasses?

>>27503102
Fuck you Serperior is great, the only bad grass starter is Meganium and only because it's bland as hell.

>>27501728
It actually does look extremely busy. I love rowlet but I dont like it because this final evo literally looks homosexual, not tryna be rude to gays, but this eve looks like its suppose to cater to gay guys. Idk what it is about it. Somethin is just plain gay.

>>27503102
They are both equally shit. Serperior and Chestnaught are tied for most awkward looking pokemons ever.

At least Chestanughts line is good up until him,Ill give you that, Serperior is terrible all the way from the start.

>>27503072
>>27503102
>liking shitnaught
For the love of all that's good and holy, commit sudoku.

>>27503253
Chesnaught and Serperior both look amazing. You're a pleb.

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>>27502642
I can't wait for the official reveal so denialfags get BTFO again

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>>27501728
Split Evos

>>27503114

Well that seems silly.

Do people on this board actually legitimately like clothes wearing humanoids because "omg there's a concept I get this means the design must be good" or is it all shitposting?

>>27502673
>edgy hood
literally nothing edgy about this owl archer

would you prefer him to be a skinhead?

i don't understand why it has a hood which can hide its entire face. how will it fly or shoot arrows then? retarded

>>27503128
Serperior is the worst grass starter in existence with Meganium.

>>27501728
Don't like the glasses or his weird feather-fingers
also don't like how long his legs are

He's just a bit too humanoid for my tastes

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>>27503334

I like them because there is literally, LITERALLY absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of Pokemon that wear clothes or look like they're wearing clothes. So long as the design is good, I don't care.

>>27503340
>would you prefer him to be a skinhead
Well, yes. It would fit his design.

>>27503349
It doesn't hide it's entire face though?

>>27503356

Hey fuck you buddy, Meganium might be trash but it's cute and well drawn. Don't compare it to Serperior's shit design.

>>27501728

The wings are pretty terrible, but mostly it's the shitposting of this pic that ruined it for me.

>>27503361
>t-they did it in gen 1 so it's good
i still can't tell if you're shitposting or being sincere

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>>27501728
Robin hoot is pretty good though. I was always set on rowlet but was interested in litten and popplio's evolutions. I actually kinda liked popplio, I didn't get the hate for it, but holy shit is the final evolution terrible, sorry poppliobros.

>>27503138
In most MMORPGs, Archers classes can be upgraded into Hunter classes. Most of their headwear are glasses.

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>>27503422

I am being 100% sincere, and "they did it in Gen 1 so it's good" was not my argument.

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>>27503349
what if it just hides its face while it's sleeping?

>>27501728
The glasses and hood looks stupid

>>27503447
I wasn't aware of that

>>27503299
Yeah, no.

I bet your the kind of faggot that likes the blandest most terrible shitmons and calls them bros.

>>27501728
Roothoot is not a warrior it's a classy gentleman scholar.

Its final design should have reflected that with strong SpAtk and status/stats moves. Owl Archer is fucking stupid.

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>>27503505

>Roothoot

>>27503488
If I liked the blandest, shittiest mons, I wouldn't be arguing with you.

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>>27503505
You're the one that's fucking stupid. It completely makes sense that it would become an archer. Owls are known for their keen eye sight and Rowlet gets its own move that throws leaves. Why shouldn't it evolve to be able to shoot arrows?

And it's not a warrior, it's an archer. The cat reflects the warrior.

I'm worried for his 3d model...

>>27503562
>an archer
>not a warrior

You're the one who's fucking stupid. It uses its keen eyesight to read human books through their windows from far away outside so it can learn more.

>>27503622
>tfw you will never have a grass psychic starter who evolves into a natural looking owl without clothes

>>27503622
Warriors and archers are different you mong.

And why can't be be smart and a sniper?

>>27501728
Green Arrow is one of my favourite comic characters so I love it.

>>27503605

Honestly, I'm not. Most of the official art for new Pokemon this gen has been pretty bad, but the in-game models have been great.

>>27503684
Archers are warriors. You must be non-functionally retarded.

And why would he be a sniper at all?

I do like it. The other two are absolutely awful though, which is strange since I like all of the other Alolan pokemon which have been revealed.

>>27503749

Because owls are known for being stealthy and its foliage pattern would allow it to remain camouflaged in trees and snipe prey with arrows from afar?

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>>27503749
Starters are occasionally based off of RPG classes. The warrior and archer classes are completely seperate in RPGs.

And it's a "sniper" because of its eyesight. As I said before, Rowlet's signature move is literally throwing leaves at shit. It's only natural it would evolve into shooting them.

Are you really in denial about this shit?

>>27501728
it's the only good looking one besides the edgy transexual mermaid and the stupid looking skipped leg day bipedal tiger

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>>27502825
>The legs, they're stupidly long and take up most of it's body

The Cuban Giant Owl was once a thing and I like that Robinhoot is reminiscent of it even if it's probably not on purpose.

>>27503934
wew lad

>>27503885
>the edgy transexual mermaid
>edgy

If you're going to post your worthless opinion, at least take the time to not misuse terms and phrases.

>>27501728
I like the top, but the bottom is fucked up. His legs are fucking gross. Also, Chestnaught is GOAT, fuck you.

>>27501728
Great idea, poor execution. Overly designed and a bit too edgy for Pokemon. Edginess is reserved for shitty legendaries that no one gives a damn about.

>>27504111
>Chesnaught is GOAT
opinion discarded

>>27504176
>this design
>edgy

There are few Pokemon designs that are edgy, but this definitely isn't one.

>>27501728
The legs look weird and I personally don't like the "feather hands", especially with those round feathers.

>>27504111
That settles it.

Chesnaughtfags are officially the worst people to ever exist in the history of mankind.

get rid of the glasses, laziest way to imply that it's "the smart one"

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>>27501728
1. Goggles are goofy as fuck.
2. Hood is unnecessary, just like Chestfuck's hunched back
3. Looks like a clown in an owl suit.

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the extra cloak wouldn't make sense in a tropical climate unless they're planning on making %50 of the map snowcapped mountainous region it just doesn't fit

not fond of Baracat either and I was a pretty hardcore team Lit family member, was hoping for Ballio but seeing as how its looking like its going to be that shit mermaid, I don't know

Probably going to be the first time I actually box a starter...

Pic related. personal favorite grass starter, beefy enough to hold its own late game and cute enough to make you want to hang out with it all the way to the end of the plot line

>>27501728
It looks retarded, if I had to pinpoint the most visually offensive thing, it'd be the glasses, but I don't really care about starters that much at this point. I've kind of come in with low expectations, so it's not like I dislike it enough to where I'd say it shouldn't exist.

>>27504336
>chesnaughtfag shits on perfectly fine designs
How absolutely typical.

I want to see its face. And I don't like the brown color

http://www.strawpoll.me/10896209
http://www.strawpoll.me/10896209
http://www.strawpoll.me/10896209
http://www.strawpoll.me/10896209

Knowing GF they'll make it defensive despite having some potential as a glass cannon.

The design isn't terrible but it definitely seems like a huge departure from Rowlet. Hopefully the middle stage acts as a good bridge.

if it's never going to be competitive it could at least look cool

>>27504548
>strawpolls
When will this meme end?

stop posting these fake as shit starter leaks

Not even ONCE have all three starters leaked like this

In gen 5 we got tiny ass pictures not 'concept' art

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>>27504616

>>27504630
Wow, it's like I'm really on /v/.

This is why your board is shit.

I really enjoy it - conceptually and design wise. The cloak is nice, the bow is cool, and the wings are great.

Unfortunately, I'm still not sure whether I'll go for this or Litten. I'm not too big of a fan of bara cat.

>>27504616

Look at >>27503315 dumbass. Now shut up.

>>27504646

Don't say stupid crap then.

>>27501728
It's not simple enough for me.

I'd rather it was just a plain owl but with grass slapped on to it. I like Noctowl a lot more because it's just an owl.

>>27501752
shit taste

>>27504336
The cloak is made of leaves.It helps it camouflage and absorb sunlight for photosynthesis as well as protecting it's face and eyes from the sun.
Also hello fellow chesbro

Roothoot is such a good design and this is just so bad. I think it's the hood and face more than anything. This anon >>27501752 put it well.

The concept is good, and I love how the bow tie becoming the bowstring works, but for the most part it's terrible.

At least it's not as bad as the Litten evo.

>>27504646
fuck off

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>>27501728

Why are people bitching about the hood and goggles? Archers wear hoods to shade their eyes from sunlight, which makes sense for a fucking nocturnal animal. The coloring would also help it blend into the forest. Hoothoot also has spectacles, it works on botht the owl and archer level.

And you have to admit the vine bowstring and feather arrows are creative, whether or not you like them.

If you're going to complain about anything, it should be the awkward legs and feathers. But it's still miles ahead of the other two. The way I rate starters is "would I use this if it wasn't a starter?" and I could definitely picture using this.

Anyone who wanted it to "le gentleman" is a filthy redditard. Rowlet's dex and artwork were all about being an owl assassin.

>>27501752
Definitely this, but it goes deeper

The wings being detached from the body

The circular head

The finger feathers aren't bad since it needs to grip it's bow, but they're too cartoony and bubbly

The legs are bent inward

The brown splotches on its wings

The way the /hood/ just stops on its neck is unnatural

Shit design, contrarians please leave. Before you tell me I'm doing the same thing, I remember when these first did the rounds here and all three of them got heftily shat on

>>27503004
No way, I didn't like chesnaught either but at least that thing's bane was its color choices. This thing is bad all around, the fact that people think it's the best of the three speaks to how shit everyone's taste collectively is. I'm a drawfag and huge Pokemon fan. They could've merged this with the body shape of the "owltair" fake that went along with ballio and it would've been fine. Also, littens hands are like meaty sausage fans

>>27505937

How are the wings detached from the body?

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>>27505937

The wings aren't detached, what are you talking about?
Rowlet is just one big circle altogether. What the fuck were you expecting, a pyramid?
They're a bit too round yeah.
Have you never seen bird legs? What the actual fuck?
What the fuck is unnatural about the hood? He's wearing a cloak.

Literally none of those statements make sense except the finger feathers being odd.

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>>27506019
The way the proportions are on the body, the wings should be one large fan shaped appendage that juts out on both sides - his body is too small to have the kind of detached earlobe style wings, especially given how rounded out they are, it takes away potential appeal from its design, and I didn't like it anyway, so there's that

>>27505888
/vp/ is just bitching for no reason again

>>27504857
(You)

>>27501728
Chesnaught is way better than this over designed garbage

>>27501728
and its a modern day dinosaur

>>27506078
I know bird legs are bent, but it's shitty line work, they look unnatural. Yes before you
>a fantasy monster looks unnatural
me, the way the angles and lines should work should support something I could feasibly see functioning as a creature, mega manetric has the same problem.

Owl heads are more like soft rounded rectangles, especially some of the larger ones, given their eyebrows shooting out to the sides

The cloak doesn't flow, it's just kind of on his head and then the green is repeated in his tail. It doesn't reflect the theme, it should flow more, more like a cape, to reflect the theme

And as for the wings see

>>27506100

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What is it doing here?

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>>27506100

What the absolute fuck are you talking about? No bird has "single fan" wings. Wings are just arms with feathers hanging off of them.

You are literally spewing nonsense.

>>27505937
>The legs are bent inward
Like... a bird's legs
>Circular head
Are you seriously bitching about a head being round?
>Brown splotches
Did you bitch about Venusaur's splotches? They give texture and give it a natural appearance
>The way the hood just stops on its neck
I don't know what the fuck you are even talking about?
>Wings being detached from the body
Also makes no sense, and your post here >>27506100
Didn't explain in any meaningful way. It's just words. WHY don't the way the proportions on the body allow its wings to work that way? Ignoring that this has got to the epitome of nitpicking.

I remember when all the starters were cool

>>27506169

>shitty line work

Once again, what the absolute fuck are you talking about? What does the linework have to do with it? You complained about inverted legs being unnatural when that's how bird legs fucking look.

>Its head is bad because it's not shaped precisely like a real owl's head
You're a fucking idiot.

How does the cloak not reflect the theme? The theme is an archer, it looks like a stylized archer's cloak. You are just spewing random fucking words that don't make sense together. The more you try to sound like you know what you're talking about the more you reveal how stupid you are.

>>27506169
>Owl heads are more like soft rounded rectangles, especially some of the larger ones, given their eyebrows shooting out to the sides
THE FIRST FUCKING FORM IS LITERALLY A FUCKING SPHERE AND YOU'RE BITCHING THIS ONE'S HEAD IS ROUND LIKE MOST PEOPLE DRAW FUCKING HEADS AND NOT A RECTANGLE LIKE A "REALISTIC" OWL'S HEAD

>>27506164
t. Butthurt Chesnaughtfag

>>27506179

Firing from its wing like a crossbow.

>>27506314
I hope you're right, that would be so fucking cool

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because I don't want a fucking starter that looks like the faggot from assassin's creed

>>27503051
So you don't like the design because it has a realistic bird leg anatomy?

>I feel like they're making specific Pokemon to BE popular every generation now.
Are you retarded? They've always spent more time and effort on the starters and legends in every gen.

>>27506347
I think you're confusing this one for the other one. While they're pretty similar because guessing the owl would pick up a hood is a pretty lucky guess, they're otherwise don't look much alike.

>>27501728
It looks like utter shit and i wanted to pick rowlett before seeing this is what its gonna look like. Id take assassin creed owl over this garbage.

>>27505888
yeah now its just
<le robin hoode

still fucking cringey

>>27505993
>to how shit everyone's taste collectively is.
Everyone's crazy but you, anon. Because that makes sense.

>>27506474
Would you rather have it be le supreme gentleman?

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>Round head
Absolutely shit design tbqh fampai

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>>27506100
>he doesn't know how wings work

>>27506390
is there another rowlett's evo design? haven't seen it, I thought this was the assassin's creed one

>>27506551
>Random triangles on its chest
JUST

I hate its face. The rest of it is okay.

>>27501728
Wooah, just BADASS =D

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>>27506193
As a stylistic fantasy choice, they do, we've seen it in Pokemon before, honchkrow for example I believe, you're just mad that I don't like your shit bird

>>27506276
>>27506276
Shitty line work = badly drawn

The hood looks disjointed, segmented, slapped on, as opposed to being part of the pokemons natural appendages. I like how you and >>27506259 just deflect with "those are just words", that's got to be the laziest defense I've heard since Delphox sympathizers. All arguments are "just words" but they're "just words" that work in context. I'm describing a piece of art, the terminology I'm going to use to describe why it's bad is going to get pretty abstract you aspies

>>27506259
But that being said, I'll try to explain it more in depth: the body is small, and cone shaped, if we picture it's legs together as it stands, you with me? Now picturing this cone, you add the wings. The wingspan is typically going to be 1 1/2 of the body length, which is how birds are actually measured. The way the connecting "tissue" of the wings disconnects like a detached lobe right at the cone's sides gives the illusion of them being slightly torn, it projects an injury more than a stylistic choice. I even tried drawing it on my iPhone paint app for you so you'd stop complaining
>>27506301
That makes sense though, because it's the Baby form. It should start out as simplistic a rendition of the final product as possible - also, REEEE harder

>>27506563
The one that was paired with Pinnister and Jaguarfare was based on the Assassin's Creed look

>>27506474

>if I put le in front of something it's reddit

That's not how it works. "le gentleman" works because gentleman culture is pretentious and a stale meme that only reddit still likes. There is nothing pretentious or passe about a robin hood owl.

>>27506596
stop posting please

>>27506555
Nice trips, but look closer - the plumage hyperextends when the bird is in flight, the only reason they appear segmented is because they're sort of folded in. If they had reflected that with this design, it might have worked better, but they didn't, and it looks crap for a lot of other reasons anyway

>>27506478
There are plenty of others who dislike it, I'm just mad because as an artist there are a lot of reasons why this doesn't work. The other fake evo, despite not looking like a Pokemon in terms of darkness and color choice was a much better fit, someone post it?

>>27501752
Im ok with this one,he is kinda cool.Mermaid and Santocat are shit

>>27506629
>butthurt loser with no argument proceeds to the "Never post" meme

Hahaha delicious, I thrive on your internal devastation, continue to tell me what I can and can't do over the Internet please - just like when Bernie told trump to never tweet again, right? It's petty and small minded

>>27506688
ok

>>27506179
I think it's shooting its arrows but similar to a crossbow action instead of a bow.

>>27506596
How can a fucking hood be "disjointed" or "segmented". THIS is what I mean by your shit just being words smashed together to look smart without actually having meaning. That makes NO SENSE. The hood is composed of two parts, the part that goes around the head and the part that covers the shoulders. It's composed of two "segments", and anyone with a pair of eyes can see that it is not "disjointed" and "segmented"-- its peaces run together totally naturally, there is no lines disconnecting them from each other, there is no out of place lines to imply seperation that isn't there, nothing. The hood is a seperate thing it's WEARING so it's not going to look attached to its body if that's what you're wanting. That makes no fucking sense.

They COULD do that but that's not what they were going for clearly, and it isn't better or worse either way. It's probably actually better in context that the hood isn't part of its body because like Rowlet's its main body is primarly brown and white, and the hood in context is used as an indication of grass type by being green and made of leaves. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that on any level.

Your drawing is also clearly not accurate its body shape, and I can't believe you are deluded enough to think anyone wouldn't be able to see that. The wings are not even close to correctly shaped, its body isn't a pyramid more like a rectangle when seen straight on which you can see in the two straight-on shots in the OP image under the head shot in the top left and in the action image on the bottom left with its chest facing towards you.

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>>27501728
Not a drawfag but I took a crack at making a simplified version that shows what could make it look better

Is there a drawfag ITT who can add some detail to this

>>27506596

Your words don't work in context, that's why we're mocking you. You're just parroting fancy sounding design terms without knowing what they mean to make your incoherent ranting sound knowledgeable, but your ignorance is transparent as fuck.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Linework is the quality of the lines, and the lines are sharp and accurate. You said the legs are bad because they're inverted, when that's how bird legs work. Then you say they're poorly drawn because "linework." That's moving the goalpost and not an explanation.

By your logic Venusaur's plant also looks disjointed and slapped on. 90% of fucking grass Pokemon have their plant features "slapped on," the only one I can think of that blends is Leafeon. The hood is just leaf feathers, but it should be slightly disjointed to evoke clothing.

That's how bird wings fucking work you imbecile, look at the pictures in this thread. Your entire argument amounts to "I don't like the way it looks" rather than any objective criticism.

>>27501728
there's nothing grass about it

>>27503422
How fucking retarded you have to be to post something like this?

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>>27506656
No it's even so with straightened feathers. On some birds it's not as visible, but it applies for all birds

>>27502640
>glasses make it look like a hunter
Wut

>>27501728

I like it and the water one is fine also, however I'm really disappointed with how dumb the fire starter final evo is, literally delphox 2.0

>>27501791
>4chan
>the community
What the fuck? I don't know a single IRL Pokemon fan that doesn't browse /vp/ and had heard of these before I showed them. If they wanted to "gauge the community's reaction" they wouldn't have picked fucking 4chan, a fringe board of autists that are the furthest thing from the intended audience. This is pants-on-head retarded logic

>>27506707
Thanks babe

>>27506783
Okay, but the whole part about how they could have done it is my exact problem, and you seem to know what I'm talking about. Let me explain what I mean by disjointed - the "clothing" is indicated by that green shads, which we see in the hood and the tail. If they're going for an archer, a slim, badass look, it should connect more, implement more of the green. Instead of looking like green arrow you end up looking like Daffy Duck does Robin Hood due to sheer simplicity. In short, for the layman, it needs more edge like owltair, now THAT was a design that takes this concept and does great things with it

As for my drawing, it is absolutely a cone, the bulky pectorals come down to the groin in a decidedly angular shape. I'd be willing to bet like, fifty bucks that when constructing the skeleton to sketch this with simple shapes, they used a more triangular base, I take character design classes, I'm trying to become a 3D animator

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>>27506656
>>27506838 another example, having it pretty much like the rowlet evo

>>27506596
>I even tried drawing it on my iPhone paint app

Then dont fucking use a phone to try and make your point because it only makes your points look retarded.
I swear you must be someone pretending to not like the design so people can pick your shit apart and then post it on serebii forums or what ever fanwank sites they go to.
Kill yourself

>>27506797
That's not actually how bird wings work. You can tell personally if you've ever seen a chicken wing or a picture of bird's skeleton. Pokemon wings are typically stylized like that, and that's okay, but for the context of the design that wants to emphasize the use of wings as hands because of the need to be dextrous, as an archer, it was more prudent to use the "realistic" of how wings attach to the body where they are effectively "arms" with the feathers "hanging" down.

>>27506882
>I'm trying to become a 3D animator
No wonder the quality of AAA titles have been declining when they let shits like you in.

>>27503102
>>27503205
>>27503253
There's is a lot of autism in this thread.

>>27504111
I don't personally mind Chesnaught, but I entirely understand the complaints and fully admit it needed a redraw. And ears.

>>27501752
Good taste

>>27505888
>
Literally no one cares.
It looks like garbage.

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>>27506882

>for the layman
>still trying to sound like a professional when you don't know shit

Since when does green arrow have a cape? You are contradicting yourself. Archer cloaks don't have to be long and flowing, that's just fantasy shit. You're just alternating between "realism is good" and "fantasy is good" in a whatever way fits your bias.

Rowlet has the same fucking tail. The way it's built looks like a layered cloak, with the hooded top layer, then wing layer. The tail is just a coattail, same as Rowlet's.

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>>27503253
>>27503356
You guys must be really salty about losing to a Serperior in OU. It's design has nothing outright wrong to it, it's just not as easily digestible and simple for special folk like you.

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>>27507034
I was referring to the image posted in this thread, but what you said is exactly what I described - it should be long and flowing, not tight and camp like robin's classic outfit

>>27506825
Of course I don't like the way it looks, and just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's false - line work refers to the line work of a drawing, the outline. It refers to how well the angles match up for the desired shape and softness or lack thereof of the final drawing

In this, the legs are the most visibly contrasting thing to the rest of the design, they're long and tubular, being rectangular, where the rest of the bird is rounded and circular. You're the one talking out of your ass because you want to defend it, and that's cool, like what you want, but don't try to pull me down to your level because you don't understand design terms

>>27506838
Look on the right side, you see those shorter feathers, that's a connection. The drawing has essentially what looks like someone took a slice out of grass owls wings, it looks terrible

>>27506912
Lmao wow I just don't even have words for this, you browse serebii forums? I thought you sounded like 14-16 from your argument but who let you on the computer unsupervised? 4chan isn't for minors

>>27506958
I understand what you're getting at, but absolutely none of the flexibility is lost by making the wings sharper, connected, and taking those fucking triangles off too (which someone here posted noctowl has too, so I guess GF doesnt know what to do with owls, although there it doesn't clash as much because it's a darker color on a simpler design)

>>27506961
That's why I joined the industry, I have an internship lined up for next spring too, maybe I'll sneak a "hey /vp/" in a design sometime just to fuck with you

>>27507035

>not easily digestibly

It's just a fucking smooth snake with some swirly patterns and banana peels. The only complexity to it is how the fuck it got past the design and approval stage.

like a lot of recent pokemon
i think it will be one of the designs that doesn't truly shine until you see the ingame model in motion

>>27506882
Stop trying to appeal to authority. No one cares that you're taking character design classes and are a 3D aniamtor. It doesn't qualify you in and of itself.

You can clearly see the DIRECTLY HEAD ON shot in the OP image that its body is simply not triangular.or pyramidal. Its entire body is more like a pill shape over all, though how the neck attaches to the body we don't know, so I would accept a rectangle with a circle for the head as the basic forming shapes, but it is NOT a triangle. You can tell because the legs aren't right next to eachother on the "tip" of the triangle like on your drawing-- its legs are to either side of its body, implying an oblong shape.

I still don't understand your hood complain. It's an owl and it's wearing hood. That's what it depicts. And there is no problem with how it's depicted-- the brown owl is wearing a green hood. There is no reason it "has" to or "should" be integrated more. it COULD be and that would be fine, but neither way is inherently better or correct in context. It's "simple" I suppose but there's no way to do "owl wearing a hood" in any especially complex way. Iv'e seen people complain that it wasn't simple ENOUGH because of the rough look of the hood to imply foliage texture.

DAY EVOLUTION

ROWLET - Grass/Ground

HP: 100
Att: 112
Def: 98
Sp.A: 78
Sp.D: 80
Speed: 62

530

LITTEN - Fire

HP: 80
Att: 107
Def: 72
Sp.A: 83
Sp.D: 71
Speed: 121

534

POPPLIO - Water/Fighting

HP: 85
Att: 90
Def: 105
Sp.A: 102
Sp.D: 76
Speed: 72

530

NIGHT EVOLUTION - The Leaks

ROWLET - Grass/Flying

HP: 80
Att: 104
Def: 70
Sp.A: 82
Sp.D: 80
Speed: 114

530

LITTEN - Fire/Dark

HP: 78
Att: 130
Def: 100
Sp.A: 70
Sp.D: 68
Speed: 88

534

POPPLIO - Water/Fairy

HP: 85
Att: 65
Def: 90
Sp.A: 121
Sp.D: 103
Speed: 66

530

>>27504616
Are you mentally challenged? Have you not been on this board until now? They are real fag.

>>27507077

>taking those triangles off

Those are its arrows you fucking dipshit. You don't even understand the thing you're complaining about.

>Noctowl's triangles
>implying you're getting a job when you're this incompetent

Maybe on some irrelevant phone game, at best.

>>27501728
How do you think his hand feathers work? Are they just feathers or do you think they're actual appendages?

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>>27507035
go fuck yourself garbage gay grass condom jew snake merchant homosex banana kike worm

>>27507077
>Look on the right side, you see those shorter feathers, that's a connection. The drawing has essentially what looks like someone took a slice out of grass owls wings, it looks terrible

Thats because the style in pokemon is so simplistic little details like that are pretty much thrown out. Just look at anime how the gen 1 birds are constantly drawn differently.

>>27507077

>it should be long and flowing

Why? Why is this inherently better? Because it personally appeals to you?

>>27501728
Chesnaught is good. This thing is ok too but I like Litten's leak more.

>>27502825
>Powerful kicks

>>27507131
As for the last paragraph, the hood isn't my biggest complaint but it certainly is one of the more visible ones

The body is most certainly angular and sharp, more becoming of a triangle in its skeletal sketches than a rectangle. The wings, eyes, and patterns are circular and bubbly. The worst part about the hood for me is how they portray it's face through it. If it was more akin to serperior, i.e. The face sticks out of what is essentially a collar or cape, from what we see in the lower corner is its actual head shape, it'd be better. But they're intentionally going for this steampunk lite look with the glasses alone Visible and it looks awful, just awful

I don't care that I'm in any classes or jobs, the reason I bought it up is because I work with peers daily (not right now, it's summer) and help each other refine designs by fixing stuff exactly like this

>>27507124
I love all three of the starters and I can't wait to see their models in action

>>27507077
hopefully you don't get far into the industry

you're simply parroting your opinions, you're not impressing anyone

>>27507077
What does "sharper" have to do with anything, and being "connected" mif we're goign this deep on the nitpicking, actually DOES loose flexibility. I'm trying to think of an example because I know I've experienced it. it has something to do with shirt sleeves. If its wings were connected to its body in typical stylized bird fashion, look at the way it has to lift up its arm in the arrow shot. If its wings were attached to the body, realistically, it wouldn't be able to left its wing "arm" that high, because its "tethered" to the side of its body. By using the more "realistic" way bird wings are attached to the body, it allows it to lift up its arms as far as it needs to. These are cartoon animals and really this sort of realistic problem isn't technically an issue, but it isn't inherently better either way like people are implying. Having the wings "attached' to the body like cartoon birds typically have it stylized isn't inherently better than the way this design has it. It doesn't look "injured", it looks like it has an arm with feathers hanging down. I actually like it more because it's a unique design among Pokemon's wings, it's different.

The triangles on its wings also serve to give texture (same reason Noctowl has them and also the spots on its back feathers, basically to imitate the look and "feel" of feathers purely visually), and also in the context of this design it seperates the "arm" part of the wing from the "feathers" part of the wing. Basically ,we are supposed to visually perceive that the top "arm" part of the wing is cylindrical, and the triangles, being bottom up, "outline" the part that we are supposed to perceive as cylindrical and help us to see that. I think there's some importance to the point of the triangle being downward as well on the "flat" part of the wings but I can't really put it into words or explain.

>>27507084
Is a snake shedding skin too complicated for you?

>>27507237

>its face needs to be jutting out

Honestly, what the fuck? Owls have short faces, and the whole point of the hood is to shade its eyes. Why does it need to look like any of what you're describing? What makes this inherently better?

I'm curious to see some of your "refined designs" since you talk so much shit. Go ahead, I need the laugh.

>>27507237
>But they're intentionally going for this steampunk lite look with the glasses alone Visible and it looks awful, just awful

You have fucking no idea what you are talking about. How can you see glasses in that design? And where in the fuck did steampunk get into this, do you even know what it actually means?

>>27507309

I said it's not complicated, it just looks like shit. Serperiorfags are so devoid of arguments that they pretend their simplistic mess is "2deep4u."

>>27507237
>STEAMPUNK

>>27506597
Just googled it up, that one is simpler, yet as bad as this one

>>27502979
And THAT is the problem

>>27507160
>implying I'm incompetent
>the arrows are its extra unnecessary design elements so it's good!

Wow, just wow. I've heard bad reasoning before but this is just bad. None of this is an argument against me

>>27506179
D a b b i n g

>>27507445
You cant even understand their function even though ITS IN THE ART.

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>>27507306

They're downward because like you said, it needs to outline the arm, which is easier with the flat side of the triangle rather than the point.

And part of the wings is flat to evoke a feather cloak hanging off its arms, where it keeps its arrows. Its whole design is a layered cloak, with the separate hood section and wing section.

The owl is actually the best of the three.

>>27507445

>arrows unnecessary design elements to a fucking ARCHER

And >>27507313
Post your designs then, faggot.

You don't have to worry THIS MUCH about fakemons anons, really.

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>>27507077
feathers never connect in the way you seem to think. They literally hang of the "arm", making this gap all birds have, exactly like rowlets evo

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>>27507208
Yes, obviously, but also because it fits the theme of sleek, slender, fast, bird. Keep in mind I'm not just a designer I'm an animator, when we do snake/bird/reptile characters, we're taught to have them almost constantly in motion as they move, even for simple actions. The idea of being an archer implies bouts of jumping, flipping, short hops, and long bouts of aiming. The cloak look fits this idea much better

>>27507263
>I'm not impressing a bunch of salty autists with bad taste
>implying I'm trying to impress you instead of correct you on how it could look better

>>27507313
I didn't say that. The face should be exposed from the hood. Serperier has those evil villain collar spikes, grass owl could follow a similar idea but with the hood seated farther up on its face so as to simulate plumage.

>>27507316
>>27507362
The glasses are similar to steampunk goggles, fuck off if you're going to ignore or pretend that's not true, pic related is what the face looks like when concealed by the hood

>>27507551
If it's fake then why does it have confidential on it?

Checkmate

Honestly, it probably will suck in game unless it turns out into another protean greninja.
Its just hard to give a damn about starters when I usually switch them out after the seventh gym.

>>27507566
>implying I'm trying to impress you instead of correct you on how it could look better

This is pretty autistic too ph@m

>>27507571
photoshop says hi

>>27507551
I mean the likelihood of them being fake is pretty low at this point, and ignoring that the use of fakemon was meant to be the whole point of this post, the other part of message applies. Almost every reason I've seen complaining about thing is total, misinformed nitpicking. I think the only valid complaint I've seen is the "fingers" at the end of its arm and even that's such a small thing it really should not ruin the design for anybody. This level of trying to find something to hate is really not the length anyone should go to worry about any kind of Pokemon fake or not.

>>27507566
>Serperier has those evil villain collar spikes, grass owl could follow a similar idea

But WHY? For the tenth time it's a fucking archer, the hood is supposed to cover and shade its face. Stop fucking saying "it should be this way" without actually explaining why.

A big cape would HINDER all those actions. It makes no fucking sense for it. Once again you're just claiming "it should be this way because I said so," jumping between appeals to fantasy and realism as it suits your argument.

>>27507035
It's just really boring. The design and its usage is boring.

>>27503447
TIL

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>>27507551

>>27507566
>The glasses are similar to steampunk goggles,
How in the fuck are you seeing red lines as glasses made of metal cogs and bolts?? How are you even making the connection to steampunk when it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the whole aesthetics? It looks more like that ranger guy in baldurs gate with the whole face painting going on.

>>27507566
You know, for not caring that you're in classes or have a job animating or whatever, you sure bring it up a whole hell of a lot. You know it doesn't validate anything you're saying? Especially not stuff like the "circular designs around its eyes are OBVIOUSLY meant to evoke STEAMPUNK GOGGLES even though that otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with anything".

>>27507482
It's not about function, it's about form. Function isn't implied, it's shown. At least in animation. Granted, these are still reference sheets, but it contributes to a busy design

>>27507534
>FIGHT ME THEN FAGGOT

This is the online Pokemon forum equivalent of this, lmao faggot

>>27507557
My issue was that the gap should be implemented better instead of jagged and awkward, or stylized to be one long fan shape, kind of like a recent Pokemon I can't remember. One of them did this recently.

>>27507597
If I cared more than just posting text about it, maybe, I'm pretty much past the actual design argument, I'm just making sure faggots don't have an undeserved sense of smug superiority. I tell people off on the Internet for fun. It's sad, but not autistic. I'm an artist, we have weird lives.

>>27507634
Is your argument not essentially "it should be this way" because you like it? I explained why, it should be that way because it LOOKS better. It's not an actual archer in a medieval fucking army, it's a magical creature endowed with powers based on nature that also happen to be based on the theme of human ranged weapons, in universe

It doesn't need to be designed to follow the conventional needs of an actual archer, but even if it is, it could be done better

the owl is the only one of the three i do like

>>27507586
This is the real tragedy. It has to have an insane ability. Then again if it has Gale Wings that's all it needs. Fucking Fletchinder is usable in tiers Talonflame is not because of Gale Wings

>>27507684
fake owl is pretty cool, if only was real.

>>27507674
I'm just bringing it up as a starting point for where my argument is coming from. I had to mention animating to describe how we animate bird and snake like characters

>>27507663
The simplistic, wide circles absolutely evoke steampunk. That doesn't mean it has metal gears, but between the hipster aesthetic with the hood-scarf and the mishmash of design elements, the glasses cement it as being remniscient of a steampunk design motif

I don't know what that thing is you referred to either

>>27507566
>Yes, obviously, but also because it fits the theme of sleek, slender, fast, bird.
We dont know its stats, maybe its going to have average speed and be a sniper instead?
>I'm an animator,
>when we do snake/bird/reptile characters, we're taught to have them almost constantly in motion as they move, even for simple actions.

No, the movement is suppose to reflect the character. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

>The idea of being an archer implies bouts of jumping, flipping, short hops, and long bouts of aiming. The cloak look fits this idea much better

Archer is about shooting things, not jumping around. Besides, even with your retarded analogy, a shorter cloak would fit better because it wouldnt get stuck as easy as a long one.

>>27507681
Having those triangles on the underside of its arms does not make the design "busy". Maybe if there were a LOT of triangles EVERYWHERE all over its design it would be having these triangles is not going to make any sane person who isn't looking for something to bitch about get a headache because of too much going on, especially on the wings where there is otherwise a big mass of solid color. Even if they aren't actually the arrows, there is still functional purpose for them >>27507306

>>27507736
>I'm just bringing it up as a starting point for where my argument is coming from
Are you sure, because it sure looks a hell of as lot like "I'm an animator, so I know what I'm talking about", especially that post. I especially find the humor in the implication that you know more about it than whatever Gamefreak employee designed this if it's real.

>>27507681

>keeps bringing up his design pedigree to validate his opinions
>won't even post his own designs

This is the equivalent of being a little bitch who dishes it out but can't take it. Just saying "hurr I'm a design major" doesn't prove anything, especially when you're just spewing fucking nonsense.

>Is your argument not essentially "it should be this way" because you like it?

Every single one of my points is backed up. I've explained why the elements are the way they are every time. All you did was say they should be different because you personally think so, while displaying your ignorance about the themes and motifs.

>it could be done better
>by tethering its arms to its body, giving it stubby legs, removing its arrows, and giving it a big awkward cape

I feel bad for whatever game you're working on.

>but this RL owl looks like this so it's okay
No, nobody cares if it's based on real animals. It looks like shit period.

>>27504017
>transexual
>not worthless
>not mentally ill
>not edgy

>>27507736
Nothing about the design implies steampunk, you sound just like those faggots who try to make anything sound steampunk without actually knowing what it is.

>>27507845
No it doesn't. Explain how it looks more shit by having the wings "seperate" from the body.

>>27504017
Actually, ironically edgy was used correctly there, whether intentionally or not. At least, it was used in the way the term was originally intended to be used-- to imply something that's trying to do something out of the norm to appeal to a modern crowd

Its not even a damn owl anymore

>>27507894
Yes it does and I'm not even talking about the wings. I'm talking about the legs, the hood, the feather fingers, the stupid glasses etc.

>>27507918

He meant edgy in the COLDSTEEL THE HEDGHEG sense, which isn't the case.

>>27501728
The only decent one.

The cat is especially awful.

>>27507860
I didn't even know that was a thing, does this design honestly not evoke steampunk to you? The glasses alone get me on that boat but everything else works in kind of a "naturalistic steampunk" sense

>>27507845
This lmao

>>27507798
I'm sure, you're just reading that into it because idk insecurity?

>>27507748
>archers don't jump around and shoot like assassins creed

U wot

And your little bit about animation expressing the character isn't wrong, BUT, it's not a contradiction to what I mentioned earlie, your characters, especially non humans, move in a way to reflect what they are, or, to invert what they are (a sloth that for whatever reason moves really fast)

>>27507963

How about you stop deflecting and answer these, faggot
>>27507306
>>27507500
>>27507764
>>27507814

>>27507941
What's wrong with the legs and the hood? I could see you having, PERSONAL, issues with the glasses and the fingers are not amazing but it doesn't make the whole design "ugly". Did you seeing Oricorio trigger you because it had realistic inverted leg structure?

>>27507814
>I'm backed up because I say so but you're not because I say so

Bull fucking shit - you're full of it

Where did I mention any of that list you put btw? You're full of shit, just trying to get under my skin haha, that's sad

>>27508029
I have answered all of those, some twice, you tucking illiterate troll

>>27507963
>The glasses alone get me on that boat but everything else works in kind of a "naturalistic steampunk" sense

The word you are trying to use is goggles, not glasses. And no, it doesnt. You even admit you have no idea what you are talking about. There is not a thing called "naturalistic steampunk". Even if they were goggles, it doesnt make a character "steampunk". Otherwise every fucking character would be steampunk by your logic.

>>27508029
Actually, some of those weren't even in reply to me, they were people agreeing with me like the second quoted post, you're confused

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Artfag here, so i'm certifiably allowed to be autistic about how a bird's wing looks.

To the guy complaining about the wings, you're just complaining that they didn't implement the tertiary feathers over the secondary feathers. The secondary feathers definitely split from the group and form a sharp gap between wing and body, noticeable in certain instances. The tertiary feathers form a v-shape which generally covers some of this gap.

To be honest, as pokemon designs are all about simplification and exaggeration I don't really care that they didn't draw the tertiary "flap" and think it gets the idea of the wing structure across just fine.

Just be glad it doesn't have murkrow's 'hand-wings' that look awful.

>>27508056
No, you're just not getting it, steampunk implies lost of overly complex mechanisms, this is just that, but wood and nature and shit

>>27507963
>archers don't jump around and shoot like assassins creed
>turtles don't have cannons on their back

>>27508140

So in other words it's not steampunk at all.

>>27508140

No it doesnt, it has to involve steam. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/steampunk?s=t

>>27508123
It has hands on hand wings

I dont like how the string comes from the hood, but other than that its the best grass starter since sceptile.

>>27508140
Owl is more like

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA

>>27508193
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Well that is weird, though I was talking about the overall wing structure rather than a few of the feathers on the end being weird fingers.

>>27508043

You didn't back yours up in any way other than "because this would look better, I know this because I'm a design major," which is the equivalent of "because I said so."

You bitched about the legs being inverted, when that's how bird legs work.
You bitched about the "linework" when the linework is clean and sharp. Maybe you don't like the "shape," but that's different, and also subjective nonsense when you called it a triangle.
You bitched about the wings when that's how bird wings work, and the tethered "fan" appendage >>27506100 would be more awkward for lifting its bow arm.
You bitched about the hood covering its face, when it's an archer trying to shade its face. Also a nocturnal animal that has to function during the day, and camouflage itself in trees.
You bitched about the cloak being "disjointed" when virtually all plant features are "disjointed" on Pokemon, AND it's supposed to evoke clothing. It already has a layered cloak look with its hood and wings, if everything was tethered together into one piece of cloth it would be less flexible.
You bitched about the "steampunk" goggles that have nothing steampunk about them, and didn't really explain why they're bad. Spectacles work on both the owl and ranger levels of the design.
You bitched about the wing triangles being pointless when they're fucking arrows, then claimed arrows are superfluous to a fucking archer. You also claimed they're "busy" when they're just a small pattern on a mass of solid color.

As you can see, I've refuted all your idiotic complaints by appealing to either owl anatomy or the archer motif. Meanwhile, you've insisted that you're right because you're a design major, then refuse to post your own designs and wonder why people think you're full of shit, especially when you're spewing it.

And the post doesn't agree with >>27508082, its refuting your claim that the cloak should be long and connected, because it's segmented, and your claim that the triangles serve no purpose.

>>27508140
This design doesn't imply that at all, ESPECIALLY based on simple orange markings around its eyes.

This thread is a waste of time, Littens evo is clearly the one that should be disected and judged, it's horrendous. Rowlets evo is basically this gens Greninja

>>27508300
You didn't refute shit, get over yourself, you did, at most, the same thing I did, and make claims for a thing because reasons. Your power level is showing, faggot. Stay mad though

>>27508364
You dont seem to know what refuting means.

>>27508327
This is the worst one, this thread just shows why people like it and it's to argue like the typical 4chan users

The litten one is bad too, if for no reason other than its body and fire belt. The face looks like it could be slapped onto something more jaguar looking and be pretty cool

>>27508327
Every gen there's the cool one, the one that girls like and the one that no one cares about:

Cool one:
Charizard
Typhlosion
Sceptile
Infernape
Emboar
Greninja
Rowlet3

One girls like:
Blastoise
Meganium
Blaziken
Empoleon
Samurott
Delphox
Popplio3

The one no one cares about/filler:
Venusaur
Feraligatr
Swampert
Torterra
Serperior
Chesnaught
Litten3

>>27508385
>saying that
>to me

Lol I don't even know where to start with you, kid, certainly more than could ever be said in one post. Nothing you said discredits or does anything to disprove what I said, you're just mad, and I'm just sitting here on the train, loving it

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>>27508140
>steampunk implies lost of overly complex mechanisms, this is just that, but wood and nature and shit

As a former steampunkfag, I'm almost vomiting in disgust at how far you are from the truth.

>>27508420
Steampunk for one, lets see you try to defend that.

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>>27508364
>damage control
Dude just stop.

>>27508364

My reasons actually pertain to the design and its themes. Your reasons pertain to personal preference for aesthetics, even when it contradicts said themes, as well as appeal to your own authority, which you've failed to validate by proving your expertise with examples.

And now you're just lashing out like a small child. Go shit your diaper somewhere else.

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>>27508414
HEARD YOU WAS TALKING SHIT

>>27508445
I mean, evwn if he posted examples, appeal to authority is appeal to authority. I've seen no explanation for most of the thing he's saying, just backed with "i'm taking classes" to imply he knows because of them. He could be the greatest designer in the known universe and it would still be useless if he couldn't explain why. That's why the words are pointless if they don't know what they mean or their significance in context

>>27508442
Oh hey it's >>27508300
saying the thing he's doing to me!

Definitely the first time I've seen such a sneaky tactic on 4chins

>>27503447
name 3

>>27508445
You're just reaching to defend your grass bird, I did the same thing you're saying and with a personal reason for being invested. I could easily ask you for a fucking portfolio but that doesn't prove anything, I don't have any grass assassin drawings, if this thread is still open in a few hours I'll post a sketch when I get home of how I'd design this thing, but essentially, it would be pretty close to the Owltair fake from months ago. You're just making one sided arguments befitting of an overweight nerd trying to pigeonhole me into a corner where I can't argue back, but you're full of shit and I'm calling you out on it

>>27508497
Granblue fantasy, ragnarok online, atlantica online

>>27508483
That's such troll logic, I should be asking you for your designs too, mevermind that I actually major in the thing. I drew before I went to school for it, the point is that's a troll argument, this isn't /ic/ come find me on there I don't have to prove shit to faggots with bad taste especially after their try so hard to pull of a smug "internet victory"

>>27501728
Unofficial. Hence its shit.

>>27508550
Hows that steampunk explanation coming along?

'Artist'fag please stop, even the people who agree with you don't want to assist because you're being such a pretentious faggot

No one cares about your shitty non-stem degree

>>27508550
>>27508635

No one cares about your so called degree, the moment you try to put your RL accomplishments into arguments you better back them up, otherwise you sound like a 15 year old trying to sound smart.

>>27508635
>mevermind that I actually major in the thing
>he wastes money on a non-stem degree
How's your debt coming along?

>>27508635
That isn't "troll logic" you fucking imbecile, that's how refuting a fucking argument works.

>>27508635
Post your art, please? I'm curious, anon

>>27508662
>non STEM degree meme
>implying STEM isn't a salmon farm for disposable help at entry level positions

>meanwhile make 75k+ on my first job

Good luck with that

>>27508688
Even without having mentioned them, my argument stands

>>27508801
I'm sure the dude that designed the owl you hate will triple anything you'll ever make.

>>27508801
>posting Xk starting

You're done

>>27508736
I took a split major program for my associate at a different school and got out with about 7k total in debt, then got a full ride to the school I'm finishing in the fall

But hey troll harder

>>27508754
No, you're just bitching and complaining, refuting an argument involves points not "NO U!"

>>27508823
>Make shitty owl design with round head and triangles and wearing clothes makes more than me
WHY IS THIS ALLOWED
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>27508823
Good for him, maybe I'll try specifically to get involved with that, but fuck if I'm living in Asia, anywhere. Thailand is good for a visit but not for a home

>>27508824
>implying

>>27501728
I'm fine with Robin Hoot and I'm fine with Merlio, it's fucking Bara Litten that I just can't stand.

Get ready for at least 4-5 years of this thread with these things all but officially confirmed - it's Kalos starters x10

>>27508494

>implying I posted >>27508442 and >>27508445 three seconds apart

>>27508442 is just more people calling you out on your bullshit.

>>27508550

I'm not the one claiming to be a professional designer to validate my opinion. Instead I'm explaining the logic behind the features, which you have yet to counter.

This argument is one sided because you're not doing anything to refute it, you're just shitflinging. A purely subjective argument like "this looks bad" is a meaningless because someone could just as easily say it looks good and be just as right. My arguments have at least some objective value by appealing to its themes.

>>27508836
>these aren't points because I say so

Holy shit you are literally a child.

>>27508849
This is the first time in years I have seen the incarnate of autism on 4chan. I've managed to avoid it on this board (most of it is ironic) but I guess my streak is over.

Have a good one anon. Good luck with your art.

>>27508836
Every argument you have made has been pointed out, like the triangles and cape shape, now fuck off.

>>27508878
Not to mention, the one time I recall them actually trying to explain their point, they made a totally wrong and fucked up drawing of its body shape to make it. >>27506596

I mean you can see right in the OP image a front shot and its body is clearly not triangular.

>>27506270
No you don't, pussydrip. Every group of kids has always singled out a starter to hate in every generation.

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>>27508878
No you're quite literally whining and moaning, it's not very attractive you know

Get over my major, it's not even a thing anymore. The grass owl is terrible, can we get back to that? This thing, even though its face is also bad, and it's wing-arms could be better, is essentially a much better execution of this design

>>27501728
Owl archer is the only good design, yes he has his flaws but the other two....
-A waifu for the furfags
-A Big burly top for the sissy bottom Furfags

>>27508882
>thinking my posts are autistic when the people I'm replying to exist

>but hey I'm gonna leave now so I win hahaha last word na na nana na!

And you're calling me autistic jesus backflipping christ

>>27508938
CONFIRMED TROLL

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>>27501728
>How do so many of you dislike this?

>pokemon is based on human stuff
Check
>clusterfuck hood
Check
>Ugly unecessary glasses things
Check
>Very digimonish feel
Check

Pic related, a Rowlet evo done right

I love the design, it's easily my favorite of the three. Then again I enjoy archery and birbs so

>>27508939
Don't be silly, they're all terrible

>>27508933
You're wrong actually, nobody who wasn't on 4chan already ever Thought it this important or necessary to argue over starters - last gen it was kind of acceptable because they were definitely abrasive designs but these three are terrible - well, the mermaid one isn't that bad but it could be better

>>27508980
Definitely better, but based on the mid evo, I feel like the final is too bulky

LEAGUES better than OP's and the actual full retards who like it

>>27508938
What, not steampunk enough for you?

>>27507939
wut. explain

>>27508998
Every single gen has had that one starter no one liked, you must not have been a social person to not notice that.

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>>27508919
>them

It's very obviously a dude. Although now that you mention it the whininess and deflection are reminiscent of a hysterical woman who can't take criticism.

>>27508938

>it's not very attractive
Now I'm really starting to wonder.

>get over my major
You're the one who kept bringing it up, cunt. As usual you alternate stances as it suits you, i.e. either your degree matters or it doesn't.

Altair is not a fucking archer, nor a bird.

>>27508998
I'm sorry, do you think Pokemon only dates back to 2004? Kids were talking shit about Venusaur being a gay frog in 99, and that's just as far back as I personally remember. Forget about 4chan's gay opinions for a second.

>>27508980
> "Rowlet evo done right"
> Literally just a green Kaepora Gaebora

I hate to have to tell you this, but you're retarded.

>>27509017

>it just gets bigger

>>27508980
You can instantly tell how fake this is, pokemons stopped the "it only gets big" designs after gen 3.

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>>27508980
>DUDE IT GETS BIGGER LMAO

>>27509058
>ignoring the post about the design to continue bitching about my major

You keep latching on on to it, it's pretty sad. Btw, I'm a dude. I'll give you this though, I had a hearty chuckle at that pic and your description, women are full of shit lmao

But still, that design is essentially what I would come up with, it's slender, and although it's more humanoid, I think if you gave it >>27508980 's wings it'd be my new favorite Pokemon

>>27509071
>>27509076
>>27509092
>>27509105
Hivemind of faggotry

I get that in cases like poliwrath it's lazy but this design takes the elements and expands upon them, for instance, where is the tail on the first two? That's one of the aspects I like a lot actually

>>27509058
>cunt
>>27509109
>women are full of shit

Snake...
Can love bloom on the battlefield?

>>27509071
>If a pokemon isnt an epic overdesigned human-based digimon but just an improved fantasy animal, it's shit

Oklol

>>27509134
Shit for brains detected, the second form HAS a tail already, the third form only makes them "gasp" bigger.

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>>27509092
>pokemons stopped the "it only gets big" designs after gen 3

>>27509134
The archer owl does that too, dipshit. It's specified that Rowlet shoots its feathers like arrows, which is what this concept does.
Also, the bowtie turns into the hoodie strings.

But no, we're all faggots, because we can comprehend design elements beyond "it gets bigger."

>>27509134
It's literally just an owl that someone tacked vaguely plant-based design elements onto because the artist was reminded 3/4ths of the way through that they were supposed to be making a Pokemon.

>>27509109

I didn't ignore your post, I said Altair is not an archer or a bird. I gave you roughly the amount of substance you provided. Your criteria for good design appears to be "it looks like Altair," even if it's a different character.

Honestly until you can refute these >>27508300 you're just spewing shit and deflecting. Even quotes to your supposed previous refutations would suffice. I'll wait.

>>27509187

I think he meant to say starters.

>>27509071
>>27509105
>>27509076
The cancer killing pokemon
"It just get bigger" is the basis of the franchise, and since fags like you were put in charge of the franchise, designs got worse and worse

It's not necessary to have human features and stuff like that to make a good evo
I'm always staggered when I see people justify shit designs because the concept is "original" or "creative"

>>27509167
But it does so in a way that feels like its reached its maximum potential. Why is that so hard for you to grasp

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>>27509256

The operative word is "just." It should do more than just get bigger.

If bigger is your basis for a good design I'm not surprised you'd hate on Robinhoot. But don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

>>27509256
>"It just get bigger" is the basis of the franchise,

That has never been the case, there have always been weird evolutions and designs that are thrown away after the second form.

>I'm always staggered when I see people justify shit designs because the concept is "original" or "creative"

Literally kill yourself if things like that "stagger" you.

>>27509196
I'm on mobile riding the fucking train you sperglord, I'm not going to browse the entire thread to quote myself, I know I already responded to those points before you even made that post because they were all bought up, holy shit how can you be this dense and not be a black hole

>>27509256
>"It just get bigger" is the basis of the franchise
Charizard grew wings, Blastoise raided a gun store, and people generally disliked Venusaur (and even it had its ugly fuck flower). NOBODY likes or remembers the Gen 2 starters that epitomized "it just gets bigger." Pokemon that aren't forgettable routemon have always gained some new design element. Hell, even fucking Rattata completely changes body type and color. Look at fucking Spearow. You're a fucking dumbass.

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>>27508980

IT JUST GETS BIGGER

God damn am I glad /vp/ has nothing to do with designing actual Pokemon, the games would be so fucking sterile and devoid of creativity. I'd rather they take risks with their designs even if they don't always pan out well rather than always taking the safe route.

>>27509256
> le killing the franchise meme

Please, tell me more about how Pokémon is failing and Game Freak is doomed because you don't like the designs of the new Pokémon. If anything, it's degenerates like you that are killing this franchise - you'll hate anything new that comes out simply because it isn't a carbon fucking copy of the old.

If you're really that disaffected with the series, then please go. Real fans don't want you playing it. And drink a gallon of bleach while you're at it.

>>27509290
By growing its tail feathers longer? Yeah maximum potential right there. Fuck off.

>>27509357
>the games would be so fucking sterile and devoid of creativity
Have you looked at the Sage designs?

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>>27509318

>I'm on mobile

Opinion discarded.

>>27509318

>I know I already responded to those points

You might have quoted the posts, but you didn't respond to the points.

Honestly anon you're way too young to be going senile. At least stop arguing like a child if you're going to be an old fart.

>>27503102
Serperior is the second worst grass starter. Chesnaught is the worst.

Robinhoot blows them both out of the water.

>>27509327
>Meganium is a bigger Chikorita

I bet a starter has to become bipedal upon evolving to please you

>>27509379
It just looks cool as fuck, you contrarian faggot

>>27509385

Yes. I can count the number of interesting ones on one hand.

>>27508933
Third and fourth gen had great starter designs all around.

>>27509395
>he's on his phone so I'm right!

Honestly not surprised, consistent with the shit quality of everything else you've said

>>27509399
Read through everything I've posted, I definitely have

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>>27508980
i prefer this one tbqh, although it is a bit simple

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>mfw t. artfag and his pleb arguments actually made me like Robingroot more

was this his plan all along?

>>27509400
For the title of worst

You're right mein nigger

>>27509443
Still waiting on that steampunk explanation

>>27509443

You're not fooling anyone but yourself. Your autism and deflection have been on full display for everyone in this thread.

>>27509450
>implying this isn't the one autistic anon hellbent on replying to me

>implying this is even 2/10 bait


>>27509468
Already told you it's a natural variant of it

>>27509468
not that anon but you're just grasping for straws now