>arctic foxes in Hawaii >still called Ninetales while not

>>27493835
But Alola Ninetales fits the Kitsune theme far better than Kanto Ninetales. Kitsune aren't fire spirits, but they are yokai, making Fairy an eminently appropriate type for it.

Genwunners btfo, as always

Instead of taking the bait, I'm going to ignore you OP and just dump Alolan Vulpix/Ninetales art.

nice b8 m8

It's still fucking Ninetales. Why would they call it something else?

>>27493902
Cause it has nothing to do with the Nine Tailed Fox/Kitsune mythology? Why is Sandshrew still called Sandshrew if its an igloo?

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It has nine tails and going by the description on the official site, people sometimes worship it as a deity/benevolent spirit. This means it's probably closer to the actual Kyuubi Kitsue than normal Ninetales is.

You get a 2/10 for your bait score, and no (you).

>>27493835
Alolan ninetails>kantonese ninetails
Therefore gen 7>gen 1

>>27493871
>>27493944
>>27493959
>genwunners btfo
>as they defend a literal gen one pokemon
even assuming that the alolan designs are better, they are still gen one pokemon by definition

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>>27493942

>Cause it has nothing to do with the Nine Tailed Fox/Kitsune mythology?

Wrong.

>>27493835
I just hope they create some kind of new breeding mechanic. So that when you breed two different regional types, the baby will know moves it normally couldn't know. Like a Kanto Vulpix with Ice/fairy moves, or a Alola Vulpix with fire moves.

>>27493942
Because it's a subspecies of something that is originally Ground.

The standard Sandshrew is what we know of. The majority of Sandshrew in the pokemon world are Ground. The subspecies Sandshrew isn't an actual seperate species, its still a Sandshrew, just a fringe case that adapted to a different climate. You cant rename a member of a species if it's not a different species. Blue Lobsters don't have a different species name just because they're blue.

Besides, we name shit incorrectly in the real world all the time. Red Panda's aren't red, or pandas.

>>27493942
>Why is Sandshrew still called Sandshrew if its an igloo?
Snow is basically white sand

>>27493835
>arctic foxes in Hawaii

You do realize that Hawaii has very tall mountains that get snow constantly, right? Did you think the island was made of nothing but volcanoes and palm trees?

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>alola form of a fox
>yeah lets make it an arctic fox even though none exist on hawaii
>even though vulpix has never had an ice form in every place where snow is much more prominent

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>>27493835
>gamefreak gives attention to the most popular and best gen 1 designs
>WOW gen 1 truly is the best huh!

>>27494027

There's only one place with snow in the whole of Kanto, and Vulpix don't live there because there's no reason for them to.

>>27494023
>there is snow there
>therefore there must be arctic foxes
knowing where animals live is taught in elementary school

being called "arctic" should help you with that

>>27494031
>most popular and best Gen 1 designs
>exeggutor

>>27494054

What are you going to autistically complain about next, that foxes don't live in the specific part of the actual Kanto region where you find them in-game?

And it's almost like they explicitly state that Vulpix was a Pokemon brought over from another area and was forced to move to the mountains due to overcrowding.

>>27493974
But it isn't a gen 1 pokemon. Alolan ninetails was introduced in sun/moon, you dummy

>>27494027
Um there is Ice in Hawaii
Not knowing that in those areas it's not always winter... on top of some mountains it always is snowy... even in summer.
Being this dumb

>>27494073
We're talking about ninetales fagget
Exeggutor is actually controversial, even though he was actually decently popular.

>>27494054
You do realize that it is a fictional island in a fictional universe inhabited by fictional monsters, right? Doesn't neccesarily have to line up mark-for-mark with the real world, my creative friend

I don't like the fact that these new forms are completely different in every way from their previous forms except the look is slightly different. They have different typing, different moveset, different ability and different stat spread (Sandshrews summary says it's ice form is slower). So literally everything is different except they look similar. At that point they should just make an all new Pokemon.

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>>27494301

I actually really like that. It would have been disappointing if they were literally just palette swaps, but these are proper variants. Assuming this isn't a gimmick that begins and ends with Alola, a few generations of this could really make the Pokemon world feel a lot more interesting in terms of biodiversity.

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>>27494125
oh so we aren't using the whole "h-hawaii has snow!" argument now?

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>>27494054
>>27494411

Vulpix/Ninetales aren't arctic foxes, they're Pokemon.

It still has Nine tails

It's just covered in snow

It's not a random Ninetails born from snow

It migrated and adapted

Fucking idiot

>>27494411
also foxes aren't mountain creatures

the reason arctic foxes literally only live in arctic climates is because they need large flat lands to hunt

Shiny Alolan Ninetails is yellow snow.

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>>27494301
I know what you mean, but It depends. We dont know yet. For all we know, the stats and moveset could be only very slight tweaks, but keeping the general frame the same.

If, for instance, that Sandslash is only 10 points slower, in exchange for 10 points faster, with the same movepool but slightly more Ice and Steel moves, then I think that'd be fine.

Ice variant of Charizard when?

Are they going to be different dex entries tho? Or under forms for the gen 1 entries.

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>>27494604

I assume they'll have different entries, but be included under forms of their originals.

>>27493835
If anything this is fixing the uninspired shit fest that is gen1. I remember disliking most gen 1 as a kid, good thing nidoran was easy to catch cause fuck g1 starters. Also, alola ninetails is so much better than regular ninetails

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Last one for now. I hope you enjoyed the dump.

>>27493942
>Cause it has nothing to do with the Nine Tailed Fox/Kitsune mythology?

How so? It's a fox with nine tails.

>>27493835
So when you breed for a vulpix egg, do you think there's a mechanic that randomly generates the Ice or Fire type of it upon hatching? Or maybe a particular held item will effect the outcome of breeding? Or maybe the Ice type can only reproduce ice type, as well as fire only to fire?

Also, do you think they'll share the same dex number?

>>27494999
I'm assuming it will be like normal pokemon breeding. If you breed a normal ninetales with an alolan ninetales the baby vulpix will be whichever the mother was.

>>27495081
Make sense.

>>27494999, also trips. Yay.

I still think gen 1 designs are relatively simpler, so they're less polarizing than later designs.

The Alolan Ninetales doesn't change the design too much besides colour and a little extra floof. However the extremely exaggerated exeggutor neck IS something polarizing to its design.

>remove its okay-tier defensive typing and replace it with a trash-tier defensive typing
>it's specially defensive

Yes this is exactly what ninetails needed. Something for retards to fawn over.

>>27494895
4edgy3me

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>>27493835
Some of the gen 1 designs are ugly. In their defense, some Pokémon are intended to be ugly. Vulpix is one of those designs that are almost universally liked and just make sense. There are some of those in every generation, and there are others that try to achieve this and fall miserably too. I'm glad we get a "new" design that isn't a bobble head with googly eyes or no feet. Don't get me wrong, I like Fennekin and Shaymin and such, but it's nice to see another Vulpix... even if it's literally another Vulpix..

>alolan forms are SO much better, genwunners on suicide watch!!!
>it's literally just small changes and a color swap
lmao

>>27493871
Le genwunners meme xD

>>27495620

>thinking the stats won't be swapped around

haha

>>27493884
>>27493893
>>27493944

Not even a single argument, just evasive tactics to avoid the truth.

>>27494108
Yes, a fox will intentionally go live in a cold area when it can hunt in the forests surrounding the valleys.

Hurr durr, there is ice and it is cold in Greenland too, where the penguins at?
Why aren't there polar bears in the Alps and elephants in South America?

>>27496089
>Yes, a fox will intentionally go live in a cold area when it can hunt in the forests surrounding the valleys.
Yes, this has happened before.

>Why aren't there polar bears in the Alps
No icepacks

>elephants in South America
No savannas


>where the penguins at?
Southern hemisphere. Don't ask me why, I don't know.

>>27496126
>implying all elephants live in savannas

>>27496155
>Implying elephants are birds

>>27496198
Now I thought I seen darn near everything but I ain't seen a Elephant fly.

>>27496089
Considering the forest is a rainforest and the fox is a fire type, yes.

>>27493835
It's funny how they recolored it and still fucked up its design by removing the 9 tails.

Fucking what GF?

>>27496260
>implying they removed the 9 tails

someone needs to learn how to count

>arctic foxes in Hawaii
Pandas in France, Samurais in New York, Easter Island heads in Japan, etc.
Plus can you not see the large snowy mountain on the 4th island? It still makes some sense, especially when you think about how much Japanese people love Hawaii.

>still being called Ninetales while not being related to the mythology of the nine tailed fox at all
Why would you change the name of the Pokemon if it's still the same species?

>>27493835
Imagine hugging one of these in warm summer.
They'd be super fluffy but refreshingly cool at the same time, and not stifling like other thick fur.

You know a game is gonna be good when even your most advanced idiot is having trouble finding legitimate claims to bitch about.

>>27496481
>Alolan Ninetales to create a snowy environment
>Classic Ninetales to keep you warm

It's like the pinnacle of comfiness in Pokemon canon.

Alola forme vulpix/ninetales are pretty bad. And I say this as a guy who loves those two pokemon.

This just doesn't fit them.

Iceshrew is alright.

>>27493942
Why is a polar bear still called a bear if it's white ?

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>>27496807
>literally the 'Fox Pokemon'
>an arctic subspecies doesn't fit

What.

>There are people still complaining about this
I don't even care at this point, the only good thing in this thread is the art

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>>27493974
>A literal gen 1 pokemon
But it's not genwun. Sure, it may be based on gen 1, but the fresh coat of Ice and Ice/Fairy typing it has is definitely gen 7, and that's what we're talking about.

>>27496089
>not a single arguement
>completely ignoring the main arguement of OP being completely wrong on alolan Vulpix and Ninetales not being related to the mythology of the nine tailed fox, er, kitsune

Eat a dick, you definitely crave several hundred.

>>27493835
My question is, why not just make new pokemon instead of slightly altering old pokemon?

The Alola forms (besides Exeggutor) aren't badly designed, but they're just kinda boring. Instead of making a new unique pokemon they just took an old pokemon and colored it light blue. As stupid as it looks, at least Exeggutor is more than just a fucking recolor.

>>27494118
To be fair, where else would you introduce something like Alolan Exeggutor? That said, I love it for how much I laughed when I saw it.

>>27493835
Thing is, the ninetails and kitsune tie is still there. As a spirit, or more akin to one of our fae, it is tied to the mysterious places of an area more than anywhere else. This could lead to one potentially living in the ice and snow, in a land where there are so many better places, and where they could live away from other pokemon and humans. That all said, it is a good design and they did good to mess with it. However, that does not mean all gen 1 designs are equally able to adapt, or later designs are unable to adapt just as well. For example, they could mess with the joltik/galvantula line and make some interesting designs, or seeing as it would fit the region, adjust corsola to several different appearances possibly tied to island typing.

>>27494301
They add unique flavor to game imo. I enjoy fact that those changes are actualy explained.

>>27493942

How is it not related to Kitsune mythology? It has multiple tails and is Fairy now to reflect its origin.

>>27494027
>lions in France
Just because the region is based on Hawaii doesn't mean every single Pokemon has to be a Hawaiian animal

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>>27497460
>Instead of making a new unique pokemon they just took an old pokemon and colored it light blue
What is litterally every single gen 7 Pokemon announced yet ?
I mean, we have a load of brand new Pokemon, and variants of old Pokemon to keep them fresh lel, so why would you complain ?

I'm conflicted. I really like the fact old Pokemon have variations now, but at the same time I wish they had made a brand new arctic fox design to use the Ice/Fairy typing.

>>27497460
Assuming you're talking about this specific design, people will still think they're bland and uninspired because "lol it's just Vulpix and Ninetails copies". It doesn't matter in the end because artic foxes exist, so it's completely logical

>>27494096
>>27497401
I like the new guys too, but this is definitely a new form if a Gen 1 Pokemon. Its official name is Regional Variant after all.

Its like the new forms of Unown added in Gen 3

>>27494433
Then why the fuck do I keep encountering all the foxes I have ever seen in my life in a mountain town? They are more prosperous in this area than back when I was near flatlands.

>>27497460
It's not just a slight alteration though, but that's beside the point.

Personally, I think it's a good thing. It shows that Alola is a different region but still exists in the Pokemon world. POKEMON! Kind of like how animals have subspecies.

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>>27494563
>mfw Alola charizard is Ice/Flying
>still 4x damage from rocks

>>27497790
Gen 3 Unown were just adding to the concept of the established Unowns, Alola Ninetales is a whole new concept of Ninetales, introduced and designed in gen 7.

no because the new forms make them something more than "fox", and in fact the new vulpix has a large head and small body, something that genwunners bitch about

they just like familiarity

>>27498161
Yeah, but its a Pokemon with a completely new form added in a later generation but not separated from the older form. The new Vulpix is just called Alolan Vulpix, after all. And I doubt the "Alolan" part will be used much more. Its differeniated from the thing that inspired it even less than Megas were.