I'm replaying XY for the first time and I think I found

>>27414922
Thank god, this game is difficult enough.

I don't even remember that part

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>>27414922
Forget the fucking "puzzle".
Why in the ever living fuck did they decide to put the legendary mascots in a shitty ass HQ, instead of a comfy forest or a sky pillar like the title screens imply?

XY was a fucking mistake

>>27414922
I don't think that's what they were going for. It solves the "puzzle" of the lock, acting as a key. Seems like a deus ex machina to me rather than something that was removed.

>>27414983
Its not a gate that you come back to after solving a story element.
Its not a plot device that was introduced early and then comes back later.
Its not a puzzle you have to solve.
Its not an expansion of lore or a proof of Team Flare's power.

Its just a big red door in a white room at the end of a long hallway.

>>27414983
TYRONE

>>27414922
Literally a plot device

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>>27415049
I didn't say it was a good choice on their part, I just felt like OP's assumption was wrong.

>>27415134
Pic related, mfw

...Ignoring the whole convenient item thing, why was team flares main base so....uninspired compared to past gen evil bases? Not to mention all the elite members are literally thrown into one room with each other.

>>27415186
I feel that way about ALL of X and Y

>>27415049
In the forest, Shauna says she's more observant than she seems and is good at solving puzzles. Later you find that she got some invention by Clemont and that his stuff often doesn't work.
This scene ties story elements together because she solves a puzzle, has the courage to be with her friends, and Clemont's stuff works better than expected

God I hope they actually try with Gen 7.

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>>27415236
that doesn't make it any less fucking stupid and pointless my dude

>>27415240
From the looks of it, they are so far

>>27415285
Well, we've yet to see the inside of a cave or dungeon or building or even a gym. And some of the Pokémon designs admittedly instill little confidence.

>>27415236
Once in the game for finding a fucking Paralyze Heal

Leads to her solving a top secret door of the potentially richest person in Kalos power source where hundreds of people work guarding their secret death weapon

Really? Fuck X and Y

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>>27415236
>mfw the game actually tries to pick up the story but fails miserably with stupid bullshit

>>27415309
>Well, we've yet to see the inside of a cave or dungeon or building or even a gym
This determines whether they're trying or not? I can list numerous reasons why these games ACTUALLY look good and that they're at least trying with this gen

>>27414922
>the absolute worst part of the game.

Really? It wasn't the whole pokeflute thing? Or the hour or so of cutscenes and underleveled trainers between the first and the second gym? Or the fact that all of the gym leaders have two to three pokemon?

>>27414943
This. Where is that again?

>>27414970
Also this

>>27414943
>>27415368
Right before catching the box legendary and battling Lysandre.

>team flare
>base is literally just white walls with one random red door leading to the box legend.

...Not sure if lazy devs or castle oblivion.

>>27415362

The route where you had to use Rhyhorn was probably the biggest slog in the game.

That and the cave right after.

>>27415362
Don't forget the elites only having four pokemon. Or that AZ "battle"

>>27415359
I just mean we've yet to see a great deal of gameplay, or the new region.

>>27415446

I didn't mind the AZ battle. He got floette back so it was all good in the end.

>>27415359
So what are they?

>>27415450
Well Corocoro said they're covering the southern area of Alola. Maybe this is a good opportunity to show off a new gym/gym leader?

>>27415312
No, really that's exactly what X and Y is, it's like it's trying to be something decent but everything is just thrown out the window.

It's like how they got someone to write this grandiose story for Fates and then cut out most of it and split it into three paths.

>>27415431
Poor you because Team Flare has actually two secret bases. One bigger in Lumiose in Lysandre Labs and second, a chamber for the legendary in Geosenge

>>27415445
>>27415362
The game goes downhill at the precise point they ask you to take the other path to Parfum Palace, from then on to the second gym being a huge slog and everything after that being a more tedious boss rush than Kanto in G/S.

>>27415474
>Comfy Hawaiian setting
>Excellent Pokemon designs fit for the theme
>Promising setup to a decent story
>Well thought out abilities
>Grid based movement dropped
>Chibi models dropped
>Trainers behind their Pokemon
>Customization returned
>Improved Amie
>Battle circles removed
>Battle Royal
>Hyper Training specifically catered to IVs

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>>27415494
Touche...but reasonably wouldn't the place with the death laser and xerneas/yveltal have...I don't know higher priority in terms of interior design and defenses?

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>>27415446
>Don't forget the elites only having four pokemon
Thanks for fucking reminding me

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>>27414970
Super Mystery Dungeon executes XY's setting better than X and Y actually does.

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>>27415494
And they're both shit

>>27415520
Thank god, it's like Sun and Moon was a apology for XY being so lacklustre and bare-bones.

Here's hoping that it won't be a easy disappointment.

>>27414970
>>27415368

Cause you know

Lysandere already captured them

I don't understand why you continue to be retarded just so you can shit on the game

>>27415518

You might be on to something

>Everything going smoothly, building your team up
>LOL SNORLAX REMEMBER THAT FROM GEN 1?
>Better go the other way for a Pokeflute
>Long ass stretch of land with only two trainers
>Have to pay to enter the palace
>Big ass mansion with NOTHING inside
>Stupid ass puzzle
>"I-I've never seen fireworks alone with a boy before~"
>Have to backtrack twice to get the most out of both return paths
>Probably have to linger even longer because some of the best Pokemon in the game are on this route and never show up again (A huge problem for this game I now realize)
>Shitty attempt at story building with the relationship between the kung fu guy and the rich guy

>>27415520
So far none of those really make the game better. The only one i can agree with is the return of old features but thats still nothing new

>>27415573

Don't kid yourselves

The games were always easy

The game will definitely be better but the difficulty will still stay the same

The only reason other games felt harder was because of shitty Pokemon placements, especially Gen 2

>>27415605
I did forget to account for the story shit that happens in Shalour so extend the slog all the way to the third gym then.

Everything from that point on really is just barebones.

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>>27415600
And there couldn't have been a cutscene showing Lysandre or his Team capture them in said forest or sky pillar?

Fuck off, GF apologist

>>27415643

>apologist

Bitch I agree that XY are terrible

But you guys keep making more dumb reasons to complain

>>27415362
The Pokeflute sidetrack was so insulting.
It was probably the worst writing I've seen in a Pokemon game.

>>27415600
>defeat them in story
>they run off to their original location and can be caught

its not hard

>>27415643
Where are the cutscene of Mewtwo creation, or Genesect modification, or Ho-Oh saving beasts? They could;ve made them!!!!

>>27415667
>more dumb reasons to complain
I think them being lazy with the poor execution of the Pokemon on the fucking box cover is a fair reason to complain tbqh

>>27415446
>The Elites only have four pokemon
Will the B2W2 Challenge Mode Elite 4 be the last good Elite 4?

>>27415676
Or there could be an event of us missing them capturing the pixies like in DPPt.

Or show them coming forth like in BW/BW2/HGSS/DPPt

Or when Groudon/Kyoger wake up/transform

Or like Rayquaza waking up and calming the other legends

Fuck X and Y

>>27415724
Boohoo, instead you saved them from being source of energy for the device that would kill all people. How lame right?

>>27415600

Believe it or not, the events that happened in Pokemon X&Y are fictional, Lysandre already captured them because someone wrote the story that way, so that they wouldn't have to design a new, unique zone and they could reuse the assets they used for the first lab.

>>27414970
Was there even any lore reasons for Xerneas and Yveltal existing or anything hinting to their existence at all prior to you finding them in Team Flare's HQ?

>>27415753
What. You complained about lack of cutscenes. I gave you cutscenes

>>27415676
But this was the 6th fucking generation of Pokemon. On 3DS mind you. They even created a cutscene of them emerging from their "cocoons". There's no excuse as to why they couldn't of done the same exact scene but in a different setting to build better atmosphere. Having these boss fights in an HQ is really anticlimactic

>>27415362
I forgot to mention Tierno and Trevor. Add them to the list of absolute worst parts of the game.

>>27415777
Have you even played the fucking game?

>>27415777
Are you the dumbest poster on all of /vp/?

>>27415792
Was there any note to how they got the legendaries

All we're told is that they are life and death

>>27415520
Whole lotta subjectivity in there

>>27415782
Why is it anticlimactic when you have to save the pokemon and by doing that save the humanity aswell?

>>27415724
You do realise you're cherry picking right?

I mean you're literally saying you should have see something didn't witness and using cutscenes where the protag had a front row seat to the event as a comparison.

>>27415777
Barely. The only "lore" given to us is by some random old man that we never hear from again, and the lore you do learn, you forget immediately once you leave his house other than the fact that one is the bearer of life and the other is the harbinger of destruction.

>>27415801
Guess you didnt play the game then

>>27415820
>cherry picking
>every game since Emerald does this except X and Y

You're full of shit

>>27415841
Okay, find a cutscene where the protag isn't watching then.

>>27415792
>>27415793
So nothing?

>>27415831
So no origins at all? They just exist?
Hell, even Sinnoh with its irritating pokegod shit gave them reasons for existing.

>>27414941
lel

>>27415831
Sycamore and Dexio info
Old guy info
Team Flare members info

Wow lad you didnt pay attention did you

>>27415839
Please enlighten me then anon

Emerald has more cutscenes than X and Y

>>27415362
gat dam xy truly are the worst games

>>27415870
>Emerald has more cutscenes than X and Y


Wow you just proved how retarded you are

>>27415870
>one cutscene in Emerald
>at least 2 in XY

>>27415566
+1

>>27415868
>Sycamore and Dexio info
>Team Flare members info
And how long is this info explained to us? Hell even the old guy's exposition was longer than the other two opportunities where more explanation could be provided. Give some of the most forgettable characters plot and lore info and have them attempt to explain it. Great idea!

>>27415718
ORAS Rematch Elite 4 is pretty good outside Steven's, "All I have is a high level Mega Metagross"
Honestly the best feature in the game especially after XY didn't have a revamped E4 rematch

>>27415667
See >>27415672

>>27415916
Not him, but Dendemille town IIRC, so pretty late.
It's honestly pathetic how irrelevant Xerneas and Yveltal are in their own games.

>>27415600
why did they have to already be captured? the plot could've been that you go to where xern/yvel lives to stop lysandre from capturing them. be creative anon

>>27415916
Who explains you Lugia and Ho-oh info? No one important. Mewtwo info? No one important. Anon pls.

>>27415936
>be creative
>creativity is copying RSE again

>>27415309
We literally have a screenshot of a cave that is in the teaser section of the site. The other two teasers are for the big move mechanic and the updated riding, so its something big for the overworld. And in that same screenshot of the cave you can see it actually forms a ceiling, and its not the black borders around a giant square like past gens, as well as the fact that there are like 4 different paths ahead of you in one room.

>>27415930
>It's honestly pathetic how irrelevant Xerneas and Yveltal are in their own games.
So just like Lugia and Ho-oh right?

>>27415672

It wouldn't be hard I agree

Instead what we got was "No, you can't defeat him, you HAVE to capture him, otherwise he respawns"

>>27415917
Now don't take this as a defense because the lack of actual rematches is super irksome but, XY technically did have gym/e4/champ rematches if the chateau counts with the writ of black challenge.

Back when XY was announced, I honestly thought it was going to be the best generation

>finally a portable 3d pokemon game!
>some cool new pokemon and cool new forms of old ones!
>super training makes EV training easier!

But then it released and i started playing it and everything was so dull and lifeless. The bare bones story, the washed out colors, the lack of new pokemon. And unfortunately, most of this carried over to ORAS. IMO gen 6 is the worst generation to date. SM are looking a lot better but I don't want to get my hopes up.

>>27415972
At least Kanto was in the game to excuse their incompetence for a coherent story.

>>27415991
lol sure too bad they didnt fix it in HGSS

>>27415972
You already know of the legendary Pokémon by the fourth gym, so no.
Keep trying, Kaloscuck.

>>27415972
It's funny, the lore exists for you to find just like in gen 1 and people have been asking for it now that thru have out they hate it.
It's like how they ignored the side quests in BW2.

>>27415956
Ecruteak NPCs has so much lore on the legendaries, especially the towers and how Lugia left and never came back.

Even a random kid NPC references one of the birds by being too large to blot the sun out. Now those were memorable lore bits

>>27416011
So? They're still irrelevan as fuck and NOBODY cares about them.

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>>27415309

>>27416022
Wow 3 random NPCs talk about Lugia and Ho-oh

Thats HUUUGE

Try harder

>>27416023
>>27416022
Legends get passed down and are spread wide throughout Johto.
Keep it up, Kaloscuck.
Maybe you'll be right someday.

>>27415991
I'd almost prefer a better story because Kanto in GSC literally represents how incompetent they were during the development of the game.

After all, it was a last minute addition after Iwata fixed their shit.

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>>27415520
>Excellent Pokemon designs

>>27416034
Excuses, excuses, excuses

>>27415889
>Fug waking up
>Fug calming the legends

>>27416023
They're not irrelevant if I haven't forgotten then since playing more than 10 years ago.

Kalos """lore""" on the other hand, I already forgot within 2 years

>>27415989
I'm aware of this
But it's just a terrible design choice, also Diantha's Gardevoir has a hilarious moveset at the Chateau

>>27416071
>They're not irrelevant if I haven't forgotten then since playing more than 10 years ago.

Wow, we have a brainiac here

Fun fact: XY quite clearly suggests that Xerneas and Yveltal we meet in the game arent at their full power when we catch them so it might (thats a key word) imply new forms in Sun and Moon or maybe even X2 Y2 in the future

>>27416114
Here (you) go, Mr. No-Argument

>>27415857
Who's cherry picking now?

>>27416030

>cave

Holy shit, I didn't even notice it was a cave until now. I thought it was a super dense forest. It already looks better than any of the dungeons in previous games. As long as SM have plenty of well designed areas like this then they'll automatically be my favourite games.

>>27414922
It's weird how they mentioned Clemont at this part, and how Shauna says "That's my friend!" when Clemont opens up his gym. I think Clemont was supposed to play a bigger part originally.

>>27416152
How fucking shit does a game need to be if it needs a sequel in another gen to finish itself

Like what other game have people discussed going back to a region

>>27415972
HGSS fixed this with the Kimono girls. Even in the originals most of Ecruteak and their sages give you lore. Swimmers around Whirl Islands do likewise with hints of Lugia's power.

XY is 4 generations after. It has no excuse with poor development

>>27416197
LOL so basically every game so far? Because every single one had a sequel or third version or remake. Or even two of those

>>27416189
Bonnie and Alexa are also lower than Bye-Bye a Go-Go tier but have unique models. I mean, it could just be anime pandering, but I think a lot of characters were meant to be something more.

>>27416224
But in another generation?

Also
>LOL
Kill yourself

>>27416199
>HGSS fixed this with the Kimono girls
How? The Kimono girls do some random shit and then they're like "OMG you are worthy of seeing the legend". Thats fixing? Thats making it worse

>>27416224
Reading isn't exactly your forte, is it?
Then again, you do defend XY with your life, so you obviously aren't very bright.

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>>27416233
>I mean, it could just be anime pandering
>XY were solely set up for the anime alone

>>27416244
>But in another generation?
Remember kanto?

>>27416245
It's change. Also they build up the legend more than most things in XY.

>>27416254
Explains why the current anime has more plot than the game itself despite being spread across over a hundred episodes.
Jesus christ.

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>>27416042

Nitpicking Bewear and Mudsdale doesn't mean the other Pokemon don't exist

>>27416259
People weren't fucking theorizing that you would go back to Kanto to discover another part of the region.

Also they're fucking touching each other, whereas Kalos is stuck in a landmass, where Aloha are a bunch of Island

>>27416270
Sure

>Im stuck in ice, push me
>take care of that egg
>Oh im just standing here spinning around

Building up the legend you say

>>27416285
>Also they're fucking touching each other, whereas Kalos is stuck in a landmass, where Aloha are a bunch of Island

Boats doesnt exist! Planes either!

>>27416189
Maybe the game up until the second gym was how the rest of the game was originally designed, much longer and with a lot more story.

>>27416323
Clearly you don't understand what "reaching" is

>>27416310
More substance than any X and Y's characters

besides Emma

>>27416323

>"No new region has connected to an old one since Johto, but this is the gen they bring it back!"

The reason they haven't done it since is because it pulls focus away from what they're trying to achieve with the new region.

>>27415488
I don't think XY is on par with Fates' bullshit. Fates literally requires everyone to be absolutely retarded to work. XY is just flat.

>>27416233
Probably reading too far into it but I think XY in its entirity is an attempt to give the anime better source material and/or get children addicted to Pokemon again.

Biggest audience GF wants to re-establish?
Children 4-13
Every week they have their on-stage show and play random Anime episodes. Best way to appeal to kids in Japan is to give them a better tv product. What better way to fix Pokemon's anime staleness than to add in hype character transformations into the battles?
Megas weren't an invention to bring back Genwunners that was Pokemon in 3D. Megas were introduced to appeal to children and the popular anime market

>>27415362
>>27415446
le number of pokemon equates difficulty meme

>>27416523
Trainer battles should assume the trainer has six pokemon but chose to battle with X amount. Players would have to choose an equal amount of pokemon to drag along.

None of this 6 vs 2 bullshit.

>>27416523
>adding le in front of a sentence makes it wrong.
Kalosperms are a desperate bunch.

>>27416545
So every Pokemon game is shit.

>>27416560
Nowhere in my post i've mentioned Kalos, or XY, retard. It applies for every game.

>>27415972
Lugia and Ho-Oh aren't mandatory to the plot (except in HGSS where you have to battle one of them, but like other anons said they expanded the lore in that game with the Kimono Girls).

>>27415605
God, tat was terrible

>>27416571
Tell me how a battle with few Pokemon isn't inherently easier and less interesting than one against six.

>>27415676
What

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>>27415520
I'm still worried about S&M's seeming increase of casualization, but at least I can be secure that they'll be better than the shitstain that was XY in pretty much every other way.

>>27416657
>muh hyper trainer
>muh weaknesses
fuck off retard

>>27416643
Comparing the Black and White 2 E4 (not challenge) to the Six magikarp guy is like night and day
So is comparing it to the Gen 4 E4 in all honesty, they were pretty bad.

>>27415753
Yes

>>27415972
All of Ecruteak City centres around the Kore of Ho-oh though. Like, the entire city.

>>27416571
>So every Pokemon game is shit.
It's true that every game is mega casual and contains a shit ton of flaws but XY packages many of the glaring flaws present across the entire series into one game.

>>27416665
I don't consider Hyper Training a casualization since you either need to be Lv. 100 or need a super rare item to do it.

I'm thinking more of Hau being the main rival despite taking the Dawn/Bianca/Shauna starter rather than the real rival starter.

And the type weakness thing is a load of shit, don't deny it. I can tell you almost any type matchup off the top of my head but I still hate it for ruining any potential type surprises for the new Pokémon, because one single battle is not always enough to determine with all certainty what a Pokémon's two types are.

>>27416175
You are, because you wanted a cutscene of something the player didn't see yet can't find a single instance of that in the game.

>>27416739
You know you only see the weaknesses if you catch it right?

>>27416689
>Comparing the Black and White 2 E4 (not challenge) to the Six magikarp guy is like night and day
True but you're comparing terrible examples.
>Gen 4 E4 is bad
Did you play Platinum

>>27416765
>You know you only see the weaknesses if you catch it right?

Have they confirmed that yet? Everything in the E3 demo made it look like you just had to battle it once.

If it was only activated after catching a Pokémon I'd have no problem with it.

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>>27416643
If you actually used your brain you'd realize that what matters is the Pokemon itself, not the number of them.
Here, have 3 trainers: the first got harder by having 1 Pokemon less and 1 changed into something better. The other two are compared with each other. The first of the two has 2 Pokemon that are so weak by that point of the game that you can treat him as if he only had 3 Pokemon.

Ignore the levels and treat them as they were all at the same level.

>but anon, what if someone had a full team of super strong Pokemon?
Yup. It's an "if" because it hasn't applied yet in any game.

>>27416769
>True but you're comparing terrible examples.
Not really, you asked how less can be better and I gave you an example.

>Did you play Platinum
That's the only gen 4 game I played, team composition wasn't particularly great until you reached Cynthia and even then it was just okay.

>>27416801
He said "inherently"
Cherry picking examples does nothing to prove that less is inherently easier than more.

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>>27416689
The Magikarp guy is a joke trainer. I hope aren't actually trying to use him as an argument.

>>27416817
>less is inherently easier than more.
harder*

>>27416800
>Grass Knot

What?

>>27416817
>Cherry picking examples does nothing to prove that less is inherently easier than more.
Basically this anon summed it up >>27416800

More Pokemon doesn't equate to a difficult game, what matters is team composition, items, movesets etc.

Regardless of "cherry picking" the point still stands and is a prime example of the amount of pokemon not mattering.

>>27416742
>no you

>>27415860
You're probably the most retarded gullible fucktard I've ever seen on here. You should kill yourself.

>>27416862
Is this the part where I laugh at you saying "no you" after you said "no you" without adding anything else?
Because it's not very funny. In fact you just look like an idiot.

In any case you still haven't provided a cutscene.

>>27416875
Calm down anon, if this thread is any indication people who hated this gen are people who either mashed through it or didn't play, learning everything from whispers around /vp/.

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Gee, all these trainers on this route are exactly as hard as each other, the number of Pokémon they have don't make a difference at all.

>>27416911
What exactly are you trying to prove here?
That you don't know the difference between tedium and difficulty?

>>27416911
>all shitmon that can easily be one shot at that stage even though ORAS buffed them

>>27416947

>Pokemon battles that you don't roll over are now tedious

>>27416800
This is all fine and good but the Kalos League really had poor team composition. Nothing can be as pathetic as the original games sure but it was still really bad. Siebold was good but having the champion be 66% weak to ice moves without being mono typed was honestly a really terrible idea. I can tell they tried to make the movesets interesting and have checks but when you have Pokemon as shitty as Aurorus on your team it does very little.

>>27416991
Except you do roll over them, unless you're just that terrible at Pokemon of course.

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>>27416800
>Yup. It's an "if" because it hasn't applied yet in any game.

>>27414922
>When you replace a puzzle with a Deus Ex Machina

>>27417028

>Shift + EXP share babby trying to call anyone else bad

>>27417029
You don't actually think she's hard do you?

>>27417056
She's definitely the hardest champion.

>>27417029
Ica shard

>>27417056
Her whole team is solid, all good pokemon.

>>27417050
My my, someone knows how to project.
In any case you should be rocking a team that can easily counter those Pokemon and if you're the type to power through with your starter you have even more of an advantage.

>>27416855
But five good pokemon is still more of a challenge than four good pokemon. Less pokemon means a lower ceiling for challenge.
You're arguing on technicalities while missing the point. The elite four only having four pokemon is bad, because if they had an additional pokemon they WOULD be more difficult.
(and covering my ass because this is how you guys try and make this stupid point, ignoring extremes like "level 1 rattatta that I can spam dragon dance against" or something making it easier. Of fucking course that would, but that's not happening.)

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I dunno about anyone else but the one thing that bothered me the most about these games is how a lot of the new Pokemon I feel would have looked better as sprites

>>27416571
>Going from "battles where you have more mon than the opponent are crappy" all the way to "then that means all the games are shit!!1lol"
That's a big leap, bruh.

>>27417081
>My my, someone knows how to project.

Ah yes, the "no u" of arguments.

>>27417093
>Ah yes, the "no u" of arguments.
You'd have a point if you had an argument.
In both RSE and ORAS you should have teams that outlevel them. The biggest and only wall there is the PP usage and you should have a few ethers already by this point

>>27416245
You see the legendary, purely because your strength of character. Your actions throughout the game are the reasons for you seeing them, giving you a real, tangible connection to the achievement as opposed to people just saying you are great.

Its probably the best executed Legendary plot.

>>27416947
A test of endurance is still a test. It's not like a single 6v6 battle in-game takes an hour.

>>27417130
>should

It's a video game. For fun. Fun can include making the game more difficult through challenges, such as using shitmons and/or letting yourself be underleveled. There's no "correct" way to play the game.
Regardless, I'm not even the original person you are replying to, I just hate when people pull "projecting" out of their ass as it's just a more sophisticated way of using a children's playground argument.

>>27416523
You're right, its extra pathetic they sucked when the Misty or Whitney battle were both difficult

>>27415972
You can put Mewtwo on that list, Johtohater.
Legendary in earlier games means: is a legend, maybe that legend doesn't exists.
I fucking hate gen 3 for starting this thing:
>You must save the legendary pokemon from the evil guys and the the world, you're the chosen one XD
but since they started, give them some good plot.

>>27417180
>Fun can include making the game more difficult through challenges
And despite being buffed from their RSE counterparts they still haven't actually increased the difficulty. The only way a person could lose at that point in the game is if they literally just mash A and the highlighted attack is something like Tail Whip.

> I'm not even the original person you are replying to
Then don't stick your head into arguments you're not paying attention to.

>>27417229
>Then don't stick your head into arguments you're not paying attention to.
>on a public, anonymous image board

The stupiditiy of your argument is only outdone by how much of a fucknugget you yourself are.
You don't have to be terrible at pokemon for those battles to be reasonable challenges.

>>27417056
Contrarian

>>27417212
>using the real life definition of legend in Pokemon
Even when talking about real life there's a rule about legends that there's some truth within them in Pokemon's case the Pokemon involved are the truth of it but the events are greatly exaggerated except for DPPt.

Also there hasn't been a chosen one plot in any pokemon game yet.
Even Gen 5 wasn't a chosen one plot because it was implied to respond to anyone with strong enough emotions.

>>27416481
>Every week they have their on-stage show and play random Anime episodes.
...what?

>>27417276
>using the real life definition of legend in Pokemon
no, I'm using the definition of earlier gens for legend
did you play gens 1 or 2?
also, that's definition is literally explained in the first and second episode of the anime

>Also there hasn't been a chosen one plot in any pokemon game yet.
did you play any game after gen 2? or did you play any pokemon game? they didn't use those words, but you're the one that sees groundon to complete the plot, or save the lake guardians.

>>27417266
>You don't have to be terrible at pokemon for those battles to be reasonable challenges.
There's only three circumstances where they would be difficult.
If the player was new to pokemon.
If the player was terrible at pokemon.
or if the player had a type of mental disability.

The fights aren't designed to be difficult, they don't even have items or decent movesets not to mention their stats are considerably lower than yours. Outside of those three instances there's no way anyone should be losing to them.

Also being on a "public, anonymous imageboard" is no excuse for not reading before acting like a colossal idiot.

>>27417340
>no, I'm using the definition of earlier gens for legend
Which adhered to the current definition in Pokemon.
Events are greatly exaggerated and the Pokemon are real. Find me a legend relating to a Pokemon where the Pokemon doesn't exist.

> that's definition is literally explained in the first and second episode of the anime
>anime
>mattering
Also, they still adhere to what I just said.

>did you play any game after gen 2? or did you play any pokemon game? they didn't use those words, but you're the one that sees groundon to complete the plot, or save the lake guardians.
You do realise the difference between being in the wrong place at the wrong time and being the chosen one right?
There's nothing that sets you apart from any of the characters in the story like a conventional "chosen one" plot you're just a guy that likes to get involved in dangerous business.

>>27417029
Tell me, how does it apply to Cynthia? All champions have 6 Pokemon, you have nothing to compare her to.
And her team, even in Platinum only 3 out of 6 are good Pokemon.

>>27417082
>But five good pokemon is still more of a challenge than four good pokemon. Less pokemon means a lower ceiling for challenge.
Too bad that has never happened, eh?
If a trainer has more Pokemon but weaker ones, it's a weaker trainer, period. No "ifs" and "buts" or theories about what they could have.

Is numberfag the new Mewtist? I see him in like every thread.

>>27417388
>earlier definition = current definition
by that logic the earth is still plane

of course you didn't saw the first episode of the anime, you're probably underage (or can be 19 now, I guess)

dude, simple
in gens 1 and 2 you can complete the game without seeing a single legendary pokemon.
It's not canon for the protagonist to see a legendary mon in those games. Starting in gen 3 , it's canon for the protagonist to have some kind of relashionship with the legendary pokemon.
Got it?

>>27417396
Compare the quality of her Pokemon with the quality of the other champions. Regardless of her actual difficulty there's no denying that she's cream of the crop in comparison to the rest. You can probably make a case that BW2 Iris is harder.

>>27417463
This. You're not a blank slate anymore, you're a person with a magical destiny.

I feel BW are semi excusable because you become worthy ALONG with N with a legendary on legendary battle

Pretty cool Climax, then Ghetsis pretty much goes fuck legendaries afterwords

>complaining about the story in a little kids game

You already have to be autistic and childish to play this, but boy you are taking it to another level.

>>27415713
You might as well complain about the color of the Sycamore's shoes

There's plenty of legitimate complaints, and what you're doing is just petty bitching.

I swear to god i remember jack shit about this game. I don't know how, but i have managed to forget every single detail from this game. Trying to remember anything from this dull piece of shit just makes me feel like i was on Ambien while playing it.

>>27417432
This is a little random, but i fucking always hated fighting the pokemon breeders. Nothing says fun like having to fight six level 14 zigzagoon.

>>27418418
>box legends being in an uninspired lackluster encounter isn't a legitimate complaint
I guess you're okay with GF just handing us Solgaleo/Lunaala for free then

>>27417432
>theories about what they could have.

Are you being purposely retarded? Because that anon did not say anything about more pokémon but weaker, he said more pokémon. Stop spinning what other say to suit your mental disability. How can you possibly argue that more pokémon does not make a trainer inherently more difficult? If "theories" or whatever you say, is not allowed, then what is there to discuss? That having more pokémon automatically makes those pokémon weaker? Do you design these games and make those decisions?

>it's a weaker trainer, period

This is completely baseless speculation, and would vary wildly based on the team composition of the trainer and yourself. Embarrasing, really.

The only problem with having more pokémon on trainers is that exp scaling gets fucking retarded because Gamefreak can't balance this for shit. With the current exp mechanics it would simply not work. Then again, the entire system needs to be burned to the ground at this point in time. I would gladly have fewer trainers with more pokémon.