So now that Generation 6 is winding down, can we safely conclude

>>27282048
Eh, nah.
It's still better than gen 4.

>>27282048
It had good designs and that translates to good porn.
Sadly the games where shit, I thank Masuda every day for not wasting time making Z.

OFFICIAL GENERATION POWER RANKINGS

5>3>4>2>6>1

>>27282048
No

>>27282062
You're also incorrect

>>27282048
it was a pokemon game.
I had fun

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>>27282062
Platinum alone shits all over these

Not TOTAL shit. It added Tyrantrum, so that alone saved it for me. It's better than pre-Platinum Gen 4.

>>27282048
it did some good stuff but the adventure was shallow and forgettable.

>>27282070
>I thank Masuda every day for not wasting time making Z
I feel the opposite way. I would have loved to explore Kalos in a new game that improved upon and fixed the flaws of XY, much like Platinum or Emerald did, etc.

>>27282048
Felt like the soulless cashcow gen where instead of trying to improve the series like they did with Gen V, they decided to speicifcally appeal to nostalgia and new players. Here's to hoping they don't do the same with Sun/Moon.

>>27282076
>>27282082
>thinking 4 was good
>ever

Please, a game with a little less content is still better than a game with heavily downgraded content.
Plus the music, overworld and characters were better. Gen 4 felt soulless as fuck.

>>27282048
Nah. Better than Gen V, at least.

>>27282062
Even in its unfinished and unpolished state I still had much more fun playing Diamond and Pearl than I did X and Y. The existence of Platinum and the Johto Remakes only helps. Please go Tamashi.

>>27282118
Wait, I thought Tamashi hated Gen 6?

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>gen 2 introduces day/night cycle
>gen 3 omits day/night cycle
>gen 4 re-introduces day/night cycle

>gen 5 introduces seasons
>gen 6 omits seasons
>gen 7 ???

If SM don't include seasons I'm going to be very upset.

>>27282117
Did you play less than halfway through BW and quit the series, then came back to it with the hype XY generated?

It's almost laughable how bad it was.
So funny I could cry.

Pokemon were shit, story was shit, the game was shit.

Kalos was just total shit regionwise, literally nothing to do post game except challenge the League and beat restaurants over and over.

>>27282135
>Seasons in a tropical region
Retard

I hate the 3D graphics so fucking much. I want them to bring back the B&W graphics so bad.

>>27282172
>defending GF's laziness
cuck

>>27282118
>I still had much more fun playing Diamond and Pearl than I did X and Y.
That's just sad man.
No one should ever force themselves to have fun with the shlock that was gen 4.
Hell, it tried to copy gen 3 and it failed miserably even gen 6 has a leg to stand on in that regard but gen 4 has nothing but gimmicks.

>>27282129
She hated gen 4 so much on both occasions where a series she made had to go over them she had other youtubers do it instead. Not just specific bits where they hand off facts it was literally just the guest youtuber.
Also this
https://youtu.be/fIiEEigqNFM

>>27282154
>Pokemon were shit

Nah, the designs were great. A hell of a lot better than Sun/Moons so far. I can understand being disappointed with the quantity of them though, and them being overshadowed with the vastness of the region dex.

>>27282186
You may actually be stupid.

>>27282213
>tropical regions don't have any seasons
Hmm, really makes you think.

>Total Shit
Ehh not, Gen6 is likely Gen1, "Testing generation" and Gen2/Gen7 is the real game, with pulled details and better contents

>>27282156
I had fun with the Looker quest and just exploring places I never been to and finding easter eggs during post game. But other than that, yeah it was pretty shitty.

>>27282211
Compared to other gens I think they're ass. There's a few good pokemon but nothing really memorable. And the designs were pretty mediocre.

just my opinion though.

I haven't played ORAS yet even though I have it downloaded on my 3DS, but I can definitely say X was total shit. It's just too ridiculously easy. I've got 7 badges now and defeated Lysandre and I just can't bring myself to keep playing this game because it's so mindlessly easy. When I cut Xerneas with just one Ultra Ball I was done. I cut off the EXP Share at the beginning, started training 6 Pokemon before the second gym to keep my levels as low possible, didn't use O-Powers etc. I can only imagine how mindless it is with the EXP Share on. I'd say even Gen 1 is better because at least I could bring myself to finish Gen 1. Does anyone suggest I play ORAS? Or should I play some higher difficulty hack.

>>27282247
You want to know what seasons they have?
A dry and rainy season, that's it.

You honestly don't think there's snow in those regions do you?

>>27282211
Fuck off, Kalosperm.
Alolamons have been great so far.
Go back to fapping to your prostitute flower and fox slut.

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>>27282272
Here's my opinion if you're interested.

>>27282273
Rutile Ruby/Sinking Sapphire is pretty crazy, I think /hbg/ has it somewhere in their pastebin

>>27282048
X&Y were almost top tier, ORAS was a disappointment

>>27282186
Dude, nothing really changes in a tropical region, it just goes from hot to slightly less hot with warm rain.
They don't have winter or autumn where shit gets cold and dies.

>>27282279
>You honestly don't think there's snow in those regions do you?
Lmao, no. But just because there's no snow doesn't mean that GF can't implement a more dynamic and changing world.

>>27282077
this

>>27282302
Honestly, they both share so much in common that playing one after the other will always feel boring.

>>27282339
Chances are you're going to get rain like every region since 3 and that's all you need to have a dynamic tropical region.

>>27282048
Agreed
>>27282062
What's up with this shitposting? It's not even funny.

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>>27282048
>Reaching the end of a generation
>People start declaring it the worst generation
>People remember games they hated two years ago as the best thing ever

The Pokémon cycle goes on

>gen 4 is now the "middle generation"
Shit, I feel old. I remember buying a video game magazine back in 2006 or so that detailed several of the new DP Pokemon that I showed all my friends to.

>>27282071
5>4>2>1=3>6
This is the right one

>>27282381
Who's shitposting?
4 was objectively the worst and it doesn't even have the whole "we're not used to it" excuse that gen 6 has. Not to mention the gimmicks weren't entirely useless.

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>>27282415
Come to think of it, this is actually correct.

>>27282062
100% agree, Nostalgia fags forget how bad DP and HGSS were

>>27282048
Yeah because you wanted GF to flee from it instead
good job pushing gen 7 before it should be

>>27282071
>>27282415
You've both got it wrong

5>3>2=6>1>4

>>27282415
>>27282494
Why is generation 5 so universally liked by /vp/? What about the "le keyring" or "trashbag xD" shitposting?

>>27282484
>>27282484
Those games were great. I just finished playing Platinum a little while ago and it was super difficult and fun. I don't have a good memory on HGSS but I know I had fun with it as well. Much more so than Gen 5 and 6.

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>>27282048
Literally my favorite generation. I like how /vp/ is more or less the only place where Gen VI is hated. It got a really good reception both from fans and critics pretty much ever else. I don't even understand what you whiners are doing on this board anymore. You hate entire Gen VI and are constantly shitposting how Gen VII is going to be shitty and casualized too. Just leave if you don't like the series. It's not like Gens I, II and III get any more love here. Gen V is literally the only generation that gets more praise than shit around here.

>>27282552
because they are objectively the best games

>>27282592
>objectively the best games
Prove it.

>>27282552
Klefki was Gen 6

Gen 5 is still hated by loads of people, /vp/ has never agreed on anything.

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>>27282552
/vp/ is full hipsters, naturally they'd flock to the least popular generation.

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Based on the starter pokemon, I thought gen 6 was awful.

>>27282048
Diamond and Pearl is objectively the worst.

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>>27282287
>Kalosperm
The designs were literally one of the very few good things about Kalos. I have so many criticisms of XY that being called Kalosperm sounds hilarious to me.

>Alolamons have been great so far.
Well, taking another look I guess I exaggerated. There are a lot of decent designs but so far I've disliked more than I liked. Pic related is my opinion.

>Go back to fapping to your prostitute flower and fox slut.
Funny you say that >>27282299

>>27282299
Where are the rest of the Gen VI Pokémon?

>>27282552
>>27282638
Basically
>Most amount of content in any pokemon game
>BW2 has a great regional design with nooks and crannies everywhere
>Habitat dex
>deep lore
>Second largest variety of Pokemon next to X/Y - May become third depending on S/M.
>hidden abilities made a hell of a lot of Pokemon useful
>join avenue

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>>27282701
>"criticizes" Samurott for being edgy
>Charizard is still 10/10
What is this image even, apart from the strongest piece of genwar bait on the board

>>27282557
>Gen V is literally the only generation that gets more praise than shit around here.
That's because they were good.
That and they're the reason this board even exists.

>>27282762
Charizard is a classic and a nice dragon. If you asked anyone what their favorite starter pokemon is, you'd hear a ton of Charizards. It's not bait, it's a mainstream viewpoint.

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>>27282827
>dragon
Why am I even replying anymore

>>27282827
>it's a mainstream viewpoint.
Not him but you do realise being "mainstream" isn't an indicator of quality right?

>>27282742
Eh, forgot to include the event legendaries but honestly, I'd say they were alright. Not bad but not great either.

>>27282555
Did I mention Platinum? Platinum is great but 1 game doesn't save a shit gen
>better then Gen 5
kek

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>>27282827
Just like how liking Skyward Sword is a mainstream viewpoint, right?
Yeah no, fuck off with your worthless piece of shit bait image.

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>>27282844
Dragon as in what he looks like, not talking about stats or types.

>uhh excuse me how dare you call him a chandelier... he's a fire ghost, obviously

Charizard is colloquially a dragon.

>>27282827
That's only because he's in Smash.

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Why did Game Freak drop the ball so hard regarding the story?
>gen 5
>brand new story, surprisingly deep and poetic with genuinely interesting and heartfelt characters
>gen 6
>literally Team Rocket 2.0 with a guy who wants to nuke the world for no reason

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>>27282897
>looks like a dragon
Only people who grew up with this childish sense of imagination say this, people are smarter now and understand it's not a dragon.
actually
Here you go, the dragon Charizard you always wanted; the edgy one. Have fun contrarian

>>27282100
Yeah, one thing that I can say about X&Y is that it was soulless and colorless. ORAS did much better in the colour department, but still was lacking a sense of wonder and adventure since they were remakes. This is why I'm so hyped about Sun and Moon. It seems to have a lot deeper lore, more colour and the sense of adventure. I can't fucking wait

>>27282930
>>literally Team Rocket 2.0
At least pay attention.

2>1>6>3>4>>>>>>>5

>>27282930
>surprisingly deep and poetic with genuinely interesting and heartfelt characters
You people really love to overrate those games' stories.

>>27282974
Eh, for Pokemon it was a large leap in writing quality. Especially after the Pokegods of the last gen.

>>27282172
This is honestly a good point

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>>27282934
>ORAS did much better in the colour department, but still was lacking a sense of wonder and adventure since they were remakes.

God damn it man, you get me.

>no matter how bad 7 may end up, it will NEVER be as bad as gen 6
This is the only thing that's keeping me going.

>>27282387
I remember people hating gen 4 and gen 5 in the masses. Now nostalgia millennial fags are praising them all of a sudden.

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The main issue for me with XY/ORAS was that in each area I felt confined in a 3D box, I can accept this in the earlier gens when it was still 2D because it still felt natural despite still being on a grid.
S/M looks to be a step in the right direction with having the world layout not stuck on a grid.

>>27283064
Eh, Gen 4 was pretty much always hated until the few Sinnohfetuses started to crop up.
Gen 5 got relatively no hate.
3 oddly enough wasn't noticed until two gens after it's release.

>>27282724
grandpa dragon did nothing wrong

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Don't mind me, just spectacularly fucking up one of the best songs in the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOH3lC3UQRo

>>27283209
Aside from the clicking sound it's still pretty good.

Kalos was bland as fuck and I barely remember anything from it.

Apart from the starters, Unova is probably the second best for me, the fact that it still feels new to me makes it steal the spotlight from Kalos.

Sinnoh had good lore, but ugly pokemon.

Hoenn was an undercooked steak.

Johto was/is the best for me, but the remakes being in gen 4 makes me sad.

Kanto is always fun to play now and again.

>>27283209
>fucking up
How, exactly? It's still very recognizable to me. Same tempo, similarly-sounding instrumentation, only more modern.

>>27283209
Whoops, meant to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaRocgtRUPw

>>27282140
I played through all of BW and BW2, and I was here for the whole gen. It didn't capture my attention like IV and VI did, but I just pushed through it anyway.

I won't say shit but the fact they came directly after bw2 in the state that they did was a freaking travesty.

>>27283249
The timbre is completely different from the original and it has an overall different feel. The electronic synth sound was really out of place.

>>27283277
So basically you just played through the main game and stopped.

>>27282048
Let's just say that it wasnt bright but at least it wasnt Gen 5

>>27283263
Fuck you buddy. This among the best re-imaginings of any Pokemon theme.

>>27283248
This is how I feel about each gen 100%.

I'll also add that Unova's urbane setting and slightly more serious tone brought the games closer to the spirit of Kanto, which I enjoyed immensely. Besides that, I love the aesthetics of the games too. Menus, spritework, music, everything.

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>>27283209
fuck you it's much better in ORAS

>>27283248
>Unova is probably the second best for me

Lmao, Unova is like the one region that manages to be blander than Kalos

>>27283277
Same here.
I had to force myself to finish Black and Black 2.

>>27283248
>Sinnoh had good lore
Excuse me?
Sinnoh's lore was absolute garbage. The only people who like it are the people who have a pokefetish.

>EVERYONE bitches about how Unova's maps is literally a circle
>gen 5 is still generally /vp/'s most favored gen
Explain yourselves.

>>27283288
I have to disagree. That's exactly how I imagined the RSE music if it was composed for more advanced hardware.

>>27283358
>/vp/ is one person

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>>27283358
Contrarian mindset
Gen 5 is the most hated among the fanbase so of course /vp/ has to love it

>>27282062
The only good gen 4 games were HGSS imo

>>27283288
Have you actually heard the original?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hGWPmW4OxI

ORAS is better mostly because the slight changes it makes changes the tone from a winter wonderland to something more fitting for the area.

>>27282048

Pretty much.

After BW(2) tried to bring the series to a more reasonable difficulty level, gen VI took a nosedive back to casualization

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>what could have been

>>27283377
>generally
If someone made a poll gen 5 would be /vp/'s favorite.

>>27282062
This. Not as good as BW, but still better than DPPt

>>27283358
>still thinking that linearity matters
Seriously though it doesn't detract from the adventure aspect because there's a lot of extra areas to explore and it's expanded upon greatly in Black and White 2. In other words the world feels a lot more like a world unlike the previous generation which had a lot of unnatural dead ends.

Then there's the fact that Black and White 2 had a hell of a lot of things to do even without wifi.

>>27282494
chance this into a 2=6>3 and we have a deal, not that I disliked 3 at all though.

>>27283425
>EVERYONE bitches about how Unova's maps is literally a circle
>/vp/ is one person

>>27283471
Sorry but no, gen 3 was the first generation to introduce alternative game modes and overworld effects. Not to mention gym leader rematches and the BF.

Yes. I'm just glad we can have a generation we can officially declare the worst. I used to hate Sinnoh but Kalos takes the cake as pure shit.

>>27283393
>After BW(2) tried to bring the series to a more reasonable difficulty level,
Gen 5 is when they started limiting gym leaders to 3 pokemon, the elite 4 to 4 and handing lucky eggs during the main game.
Gen 5 is when it started to become even more casualized after Platinum managed to have good gym leaders, a good elite 4 and a good champion.

>>27282758
Finalyl a fucking plot that was average at best but good for a pokemon game and good characters.
Also, that damn PWT. I bought bw2 only for this (and the female MC's design) at the begining.

>>27283391
The sound of the original is extremely distinct and deliberate. Everything before the bridge is sharp staccato. The newer one however is legato, much too smooth, and that's the main difference that bothers me.

>>27283485
>what is hyperbole

we need more shit like Battle Frontier since the restaurants and battle mansions are boring as fuck.

They should bring back Pokemon Stadium modes in the form of tournaments scattered all over the game, and maybe an actual League for Prime Cup.

then R2 would spice things up.

>>27283337
I just really love the pokemon it brought to the table, apart from the starters like I said. Team Plasma was fun too.

Emerald is still the best pokemon game. The only thing it's missing is physical/special.

BW were ass.
BW2 didn't redeem it enough.
Gen II remakes were good, but still lacking like that whole gen.

XY is casual shite
Gen III remakes were the worst thing since Porygon seizure episode.

>>27282299
Looking at this image solidifies what made gen 6 so shit was lack of Pokémon. I don't forgive Game Freak for that.

>>27283545
A blatant attempt by your part to incline the balance of an argument in your favor through a false premise.

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I went into Pokemon X and Y completely blind, can confirm it was absolute dogshit anyways
>stayed off of 4chan for months to avoid spoilers
>only saw the starters first stage, xerneas, yveltal, and sylveon
>didn't even know about fairys or megas
>mfw the forest is an exact copy of viridian forest
>mfw they give you the fucking kanto starters
>on top of that there was a free torchic
>mfw they also give you a free lucario
>not just a free lucario, its a fucking bullshit super lucario
>"hey I'm mega lucario, but u can call me Coldsteel ;)"
>mfw my middle stage grass starter (can't remember the name because it was so shitty) evolves into Chestnaught
>mfw I got fed up with the shit and looked up the Kalos pokedex
>71 pokemon
>oh and btw fairies are 100% immune to dragons
Pic related sums up my feelings on gen 6 perfectly.
I want to do Sun and Moon blind but I really don't want to go through that again.
Should I just bite the bullet and put my pokemon filter on again /vp/?
i already know Im going to buy them anyways, so whats the point in reading up on them
>>27283209
Kek did somebody leave the sink running

>>27283577
Okay you got me. Fucker.

>>27283569
So basically your opinion is
3 > 2 > 5 > 6

I'm willing to bet that it's based on just skimming the game too

Although Gen IV wasn't one of my favorites.

It is probably one of the most important generations for everything that it introduced.
>physical special split
>Introducing good moves for types that were sorely lacking like Energy Ball/Bugbuzz/Stone Edge/Brave Bird/Close Combat
>Wifi Battles

>>27283580
>I went into Pokemon X and Y completely blind, can confirm it was absolute dogshit anyways
Same. I saw every design from BW before actually playing the games and I still liked them more than XY. I can get behind people thinking any gen between 1-5 was the best, but gen 6? Come on now.

>>27283580
Don't forget the sleeping snorlax bit and the free special lapras you can see when you're surfing.

>>27283580
In Sun and Moon you can change your Pokemon IVs at Lvl 100 so it's automatically better than XY.

What makes ORAS so bad? I really want to play HG but seeing as I can't find it anywhere I think I want to settle for AS.

>>27283613
Basically. Not sure where to rank I and IV. First is well, first and therefore unpolished. And fourth is more of the same, but worse, however with one new mechanic.

I thought Gen III remakes will be perfect, but they fucked up everything. No Frontier? I died inside upon hearing that. we could've had best region updated with physical/special and 3D. But no, they made a shit game instead. Now Emerald is getting slowly obsolete with stuff like Amie and new fancy graphics are tempting.

>>27283650
And fucking Mewtwo at the end of the game.
I love the original games as any other 90s kid, but come the fuck on.

>>27283653
>What makes ORAS so bad?
Basically
>not muh Emerald

That's it really. Anyone with a brain knew it wouldn't be a remake of Emerald because it changed more than Crystal did.

>>27283580
>>27283645
>going into games completely blind
Honestly I can say this does more harm than good. It's not the same as when were children, blind or not. Besides, you're likely to miss a lot of content.

>>27282062
Shit gen 4 games:

>D/P

Great Gen 4 games
>P
>HG/SS

Shit Gen 6 games
>X/Y
>OR/AS

>Good Gen 6 games
>?

>>27283680
Now just move HG/SS and Pt to shit and ORAS to okay and you've got everything right.

>>27283297
I played through the postgame. Or, tried to, anyway. It was so boring, and the content was all bland.

>>27283698
Kill yourself, retard

>>27283707
Jesus, if you found that boring it's a wonder you can even stomach Pokemon games at all.

>>27283707
Except PWT I guess.

>>27282048
Total shit? No. Mostly shit? Yes.

>>27282062
>disliking HGSS/Platinum
You are objectively wrong, hoennbaby/unovabortion.

>>27283698
ORAS was fucking trash you fag

>>27283653
>What makes ORAS so bad
It's not bad it's just mediocre. I had the notion that I would enjoy it as much as I did the originals, but boy was I wrong. I'm the biggest hoennbab on the planet and I can safely say ORAS were just meh. It's mostly the same game, just less charm.

>>27283729
>You are objectively wrong, hoennbaby/unovabortion.
Johtoddler and having a mediocre BF and following Pokemon doesn't salvage an ultimately terrible region and game.

>>27283722
What do you mean? Aside from the Cynthia fight in BW PWT in BW2 it was all pretty much bland garbage. They left off half the map in BW and there was ultimately nothing there.

>>27282071
Perfect

>>27283209
>people defend this
It's not like Hoenn had much to it anyway, but then Hoennshitters like one of their best tracks being neutered?

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I don't care about which gen was the best and what wasn't

All I know is that we will never ever have a set of starters as good as these again

>>27283763
At least there was something to do in Platinum's and HGSS's respective post games, particularly the latter. And even though Gen VI didn't have much after game at least they cut out the bullshit unlike with Gen V's big empty void.

>>27283762
>terrible region
Level curve aside, Johto is probably the most aesthetically pleasing region, wtf. There's great world-building and everything is folkish as hell.

>>27283763
It's still fucking incredible postgame when compared to shit like the Sevii Islands, for example. That small postgame region in DPP was pretty cool though.

>>27283763
>Aside from the Cynthia fight in BW PWT in BW2 it was all pretty much bland garbage
So you didn't explore the region, do white treehollow, finish join avenue and all of the other stuff?

It's hard to pinpoint what you disliked about it when Black and White 2 had so much variety to it.

>>27283805
I will always hate this trio of starters for the baby color palette. Gen 5 solved that.

>>27282071
Wrong

1=2>3>6>4=5

>>27282701
Although I'd shift the scores around a bit for 1, 2 and 4, and the use of the word edgy is a bit much, this is actually a pretty good list and I agree on every starter.

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>couldn't use the Mossdeep rocket and fly to the moon in ORAS
As a child I always dreamed of this. What a wasted opportunity...

>>27283814
>it's the "gen 3/5 has so much post game content" meme

Lol

>>27283866
Well, original B/W certainly had no post game content at all.
>people will defend this by deflecting to BW2

>>27283866
they do though?

>>27283808
>There's great world-building and everything is folkish as hell.
Eh, world-building wise it was just a notch above Gen 1. Hell HG/SS even took away from the world building by having the Red and Blue orb in Johto when they were never meant to leave Mt. Pyre.
The folk theme isn't particularly strong outside of like two cities either.

In fact, when I picked up Gold as a kid I found it so boring because there was nothing to do and the music was so bland compared to gen 1 and the card game.

>>27283914
Black and White 1 sat between Gen 2 and Emerald content wise in all honesty and for a first game it probably had the most post game content.

>>27283967
>probably had the most post game content
>finished with league in 24 hours
>finished with all content except battle frontier in 30 hours
>caught them all by 140 mark
>least I've ever played a pokemon game by a far margain
Yeah, no. BW1 is utter shit.

>gen 7 STILL won't have Pokemon follow you like in HGSS
>/vp/ will defend this

>>27283948
>having the Red and Blue orb in Johto when they were never meant to leave Mt. Pyre
That was pants-on-head retarded, I agree.

>two cities
Off the top of my mind: Violet, Ecruteak, Mahogany and Blackthorn. Other than that, there are locations like the towers, the forest shrine, the Dragon's Den or the Alpha Ruins that give everything a more "traditional Japanese" feel. Even the clothing is completely different from Kanto's more urbane fashion. You don't see people dressed as Sabrina or Blaine in Johto, they are more similar to Koga.

>>27284020
wow nice templete

>finished league in 26 hours
>beat PWT, Black Tower and Pokestar Studios in 60 hours
>least I've ever played a Pokemon game by a far margain

Yeah, no. BW2 is utter shit.

>>27284020
>finished with league in 24 hours
What the fuck are you, a speedrunner? For me, these games take at least 40 hours to finish the League. No, they don't challenge me or anything, but that's the point. They're relaxing games and I like to take my time with them and deliberately take everything in. Tea is meant to be sipped not chugged.

>>27284123
24 hours is a pretty long time for a pokemon game without rushing through.

The usual is about 18 to 20.
15 if you're playing a Johto game.

Of course with Glitches and such you could probably do it in less.

>>27284123
24 hours is pretty normal for a Pokémon game, anon.

>>27284123
>rush the game/Play it easy modo by using every single game breaker made available for casuals like the multi exp in VI
>complain about it being too short afterward.

Welp. So typical. Next time I'll use an action replay and complain about the game being too easy as well.

>>27282048
Although it was shit, we all know that Gen 3-5 is utter shit.
>inb4 hoennbabies, sinnohfetuses, and unobabortions whining that their game is good

>>27284090
So, no argument then?

>>27284123
>What the fuck are you, a speedrunner
That's exactly my point. B/W were short as fuck, or if not short, then so easy that content is breezed over too quickly. It takes me 30 hours to finish all the content in Emerald and even more in Platinum now that I know every last bit of the games by heart. For a first time run, it's terrible.

>>27282415
Are you me?

>>27284182
>>27284174
depends of if you're just going through gyms or try to catch what you find on every roads etc. But in any wase BW wasn"'t especially short pour a pokemon game. The only one that took longer for me was DPPt and it's because I got tired of the shit and left it alone for years, not because of content.

still better than 5

>>27284220
Why are you judging the game's value by its length again? And even by that criteria, first gen and second gen games are shorter, even taking into account GSC's postgame.

>>27284244
Oh, no. I agree. I didn't think it was especially short either, this is literally my first time reading someone complain about this.

>>27284217
this

>>27284306
>Why are you judging the game's value by its length again
Because gameplay matters. Especially when you've got the worst region with a stupid story that tries to be deep and the amazing decision to make it as tedious as possible to catch old gen pokemon.

>>27282062
/thread

>>27284306
First gen doesn't count because it was a weird product made for the old game boy.
Second gen at least had a competent story and nice monster rooster. But yeah, it wasn't very good. Mostly nostalgia. Leveling was especially atrocious.

>>27282048
Gen V was amazing then this happened, the game still looks boring to me, I just hope the S&M hype is worth it in the end.

>>27282484
>Nostalgia
>DP
what

>>27284306
People who shit on generation 5 fall into one of three groups
People who haven't played it.
People who are mad that it has the most variety
or people who have played it and just mashed through the story and didn't play any of the post game.

>>27284363
I'm guessing this anon falls into the second or third group.

>>27284415
DP was 10 years ago anon.
Also you can be nostalgic for something that happened a week ago.

>>27282048
Yes mainly
Because it won't be unique in any way. It was just there and played it by the numbers

>>27282484
Fuck DP

Love HGSS

imo

>>27284448
holy fuck
I still feel like a newfag because I didn't play rgb until fr lg, but I still have my gameboy color and gold cartridge somewhere in my apartment.

>>27284455
>Because it won't be unique in any way.
Well XY won't, ORAS will.

>>27284363
>Because gameplay matters.
And it has nothing to do with game length
>worst region
That ain't Kalos or DP's Sinnoh
>stupid story
If that one's stupid, the rest might as well be retarded
>tries to be deep
If that was your impression, I'd love to see your reaction to something that actually tries to be deep in a pretentious way.
It can't be trying to be deep when you can see through the bullshit of the false moral conundrum straight away.
>the amazing decision to make it as tedious as possible to catch old gen pokemon
It was amazing, I agree. The region was still diverse enough and it felt like its own world, with its own personality.

>>27284399
If we're taking technological advances into the discussion, then there's really no excuse for XY to be so devoid of content.

>>27284419
That's the impression I've been getting, yeah. Bonus points for disregarding the synergy between the first and second games, something we last saw in gen 2.

>>27282557
Why is Pokemon Y rated higher than X

>>27284507
>The region was still diverse enough and it felt like its own world, with its own personality
If by that you mean themeparks separated by jarring and ugly bridges, I agree.

>>27282557
>/vp/ is more or less the only place where Gen VI is hated. It got a really good reception both from fans and critics pretty much ever else
Gamefreak cancelled Gen 6 in favor of Gen 7 though. Checkmate, atheist

>>27283100
>Gen 5 got relatively no hate.
Maybe on /vp/
It's the least popular gen outside of this board.

>>27283814
I explored the region. It was empty, and there was really no reason to go all over the place when there were really only two rooms of interest. White Treehollow/Black Tower was just tedious and not challenging at all.

And Join Avenue? That's just preparation for the competitive scene, that, again, Gen VI trimmed the BS out of.

>>27283650
>>27283673
Saffron gym 2.0, too!

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Alright, that's it. Post your

>Age
>First game
>Favorite gen
>Least favorite gen

We're all anonymous here, don't be shy. I'll start.

>19 years old.
>first game was Ruby (lel)
>favorite gen is 5
>least favorite gen was 6

>>27284600
>22
>Blue
>favorite is 4
>least favorite is 5

>>27284600
23
Red
Gen III
Gen VI

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>>27282048
Ah, this thread again.

The short answer? No.
The long answer? Yes.

Gen VI was a huge step for GF. They really started trying to market Pokemon to older fans, they finally gave us the opportunity to further interact with our Pokemon, and they once again launched Pokemon into modern culture.

However, in doing this, they severely hampered the final product. Barely any post-game activities, horrible characters, shoddy music, and the least amount of Pokemon added to the national dex.

Now, with the success of Pokemon GO, and with Pokemon once more in the public eye, Gen VII has a lot of space to fill. GF won't drop the ball again.

>>27284600
24, turning 25 next month
RBY (Blue)
5
6

>>27284600
21
Pearl
Toss up between 4 & 5
6

>>27284600
22
Gold
Two, remakes were good
DP was shit, but 6 was also shit and PtHGSS was good.

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>>27282048
it was not shit
it fulfilled its purpose
testing 3d for the next gen
and it did a good job at it

seriously at this point is pretty much confirmed that gen 6 was jsut a tech demo for s&m

>>27284600
210
Blue
3
1

>>27284600
>18
>Diamond
>4
>6

>>27284584
The only thing to really "explore" in BW2's postgame is the Clay Tunnel. Everything else is just empty nonsense repeats of BW locations.

>>27284539
So you flip-flopped from talking about Pokémon availability to the way routes are linked of all things.

Since we're just sprouting random bullshit, let me refer you to this other post from before, related to both of your points: >>27283580

>>27284600
>22
>Yellow
>Probably 2
>6

>>27284664

>>27284633 here. This is pretty much what I meant to say.

>>27284633
No one, not even the developers foresaw the immense success of Pokemon Go. I think it's irrelevant in regards to discussing the games. Also,
>least amount of Pokemon added to the national dex
Don't forget about the Mega evolutions. They're not 100% new Pokemon of course, but they still took the same amount of resources as a brand new one would have.

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>>27284600
>21
>Gold
>5
>4

I still don't see how people like 4

>>27284676
>related to both of your points
That's not me. At least three anons ITT are hating on B/W

>>27282048
>So now that Generation 6 is winding down, can we safely conclude that it was total shit?
Objectively better than gen 4 or 5, the best generation so far from a technical standpoint. I look forward to Sinnohbabies losing the majority on this board so the games can be properly evaluated.

>>27284600
>Age
26

>game (Pokemon game?)
Yellow

>favorite gen
5

>least favorite
6

>>27284633
>>27284680
Fuck off underage FEshitter.
Almost as bad as XY.

>>27284633
>horrible characters, shoddy music
Dude if you're going to try and speak from an objective point of view leave your opinions out of it.
Plus we all know that goes to gen 4 with those tinny as fuck sounds and over-used character archetypes.

>>27284715
w-what

>>27284735
Are you implying any character in gen 6 wasn't shit

besides Emma of course

>>27284735
Yeah, XY's characters were really deep. Man, Diantha's backstory had me in tears.

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>>27284600
>>Age
22
>>First game
Blue
>>Favorite gen
6
>>Least favorite gen
5

>>27284501
In the delta episode?

>>27284756
Nah I'm implying that they're shit but not that shit.

>>27284764
>Man, Diantha's backstory had me in tears.
Still better than Not-Steven McMarysue

>>27284773
But why anon

>>27284600
21
Gold
Gen 4/2 are equal for me
Gen 6

>>27284796
Why not?

>>27284600
>21
>Gold
>5
>6

>>27284600
>27
>Red
>V
>IV

>>27284787
Hey, she did something in the story

>>27284809
What about 5 made it so bad and 6 so good

>>27284885(me)
Sorry, I'm not going to try to change your mind. Ignore me

>>27284774
Well there's that because it made an event Pokemon available normally but I was thinking more Soaring and the Dex Nav.

>>27284867
Yeah, be a copy of an existing character.

As little as it is at least Diantha is someone else.

can someone explain gen wars to me

pokemon is metaphorically the same game every time

there is no gameplay deviation, only qol improvements

>>27284919
True that for event, but Dex nav is literally habitat list+rustling grass

>>27284973
Dex Nav was a combination of the Radar + Habitat dex and Rustiling grass with the addition of getting Egg moves, hidden abilities and perfect IVs (3 Max)
Plus you can see what the pokemon has before you catch it.

>>27282908

Or maybe it's because of Ash's Charizard and the fact that he was a heavily promoted box mascot? Just maybe? Seeing as he's been popular since the fucking 90s.

>>27285021
It definitely is an improvement of the system, but that doesn't take away gen 5 did it first

Just gonna mention the fact the those who bought XY got cheated cause ORAS got more megas PLUS the ones that were in XY when those in XY couldn't get the ones in ORAS.

Also lack of move tutors in XY while ORAS got better ones.

>>27284600
21
Blue
3/4
1

>>27284954
I don't think you know what metaphorically means.

>>27285060
Eh, you can also control it so it isn't random.
It's not really the same system.

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>>27284885
Wall of text incoming even if you don't care.

There are a lot of things wrong with Gen V. Personally, I don't like the story at all. It's feels forced and isn't nearly as interesting as people say, especially since GF fucks it up in the end by revealing that Ghetsis is just a generic "I want to rule the world" Saturday morning cartoon villain. Gen V also has undoubtedly the worst designs in the series, including the elemental monkeys, Throh/Sawk, Druddigon, the worst starters in the series, the worst box legendaries in the series (along with other ugly and pointless legendaries), Trubbish line, Timburr line, and so on. Not saying they're all bad, since Mons like Scolipede and Galvantula are among my favorites, but Gen V definitely has a higher percentage of ugly designs than any other generations.

Also, the games look hideous. I hate the pixelated sprites and all the awful zoomed-in camera angles and bridges where GF is just trying to show off even though it only makes the games look worse. The idea of having only Gen V Pokemon available during the main story of BW is good on paper, but the execution is bad because of the limited selection of Pokemon early in the game and many of the Mons evolving too late to be useful in the story. By the time I find Pokemon like Litwick, Golett, Cryogonal and Durant, I already have a full team.

Also, there's just "something" that I don't like about the games. I recently replayed Black and I couldn't force myself to train my team for the E4 rematch because I just didn't enjoy playing the game. I've replayed BW like four times and it already feels like a chore, whereas I've replayed Gen I like over 30 times and it still fun and entertaining every single time.

>inb4 half of /vp/ is triggered because I talk shit about their waifu generation

>>27285086
>control
? It still goes off when it's not selected

>>27285102
>the worst box legendaries in the series
I'm not going to bother with the rest, since you're entitled to your opinion, but I SERIOUSLY doubt you really think this in a world where Groudon, Kyogre, Palkia and Dialga exist.

>>27282048
What are you talking about? Ok, X and Y weren't great, but they added some much much needed freshness to the series overall, and ORAS was just pretty great in my opinion.

>E4 has 4 pokemon
>Never has a team upgrade
>no legitimate gym leader matches with team upgrade
Biggest disappointment for me
How do we go from Unova E4 challenge mode with level 77 to Kalos E4 with level 63s will always baffle me.

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>>27282062
Agreed.

>>27284600
>21
>FireRed
>Gen 5
>Hoenn Gen 3 (the remakes are fine)

>>27285102
>especially since GF fucks it up in the end by revealing that Ghetsis is just a generic "I want to rule the world" Saturday morning cartoon villain
Generic Saturday morning cartoon villains don't plan this extensively or have such intense feelings towards their goal. In all honesty he feels more like comic book Eggman in terms of ruthlessness. Also it would help if you payed attention especially to the lore of the game.

>en V also has undoubtedly the worst designs in the series, including the elemental monkeys, Throh/Sawk, Druddigon, the worst starters in the series, the worst box legendaries in the series (along with other ugly and pointless legendaries), Trubbish line, Timburr line, and so on
All opinion, irrelevant to why the game is "bad".

>Also, the games look hideous
See above

>Also, there's just "something" that I don't like about the games.
And see above again

0/10
Come and see me.

>>27284954
You probably wouldn't understand unless you grew up playing and played each successive game in order since childhood. But otherwise there is
>monster designs
>music
>region design
>new mechanics and innovation
>characters
>overall atheistic, etc

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>>27285201
>Opinions are not valid reasons to dislike a game

>>27285102
I'm glad you didn't spout meme responses and I can agree with you on some of those points. Visually the game does lack and what the fuck are those evolution levels. But to debate being locked out of good Pokemon, Audino's+level system work hand in hand to fix that problem.

I personally enjoyed N/Ghetsis contrast, and his whole monologue before N is very deep for Pokemon.

>>27285102
Wow, it's amazing how one person could be so wrong about so many things.

>>27285234
You said "wrong with Gen V", not "reasons I dislike it".

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>>27285234
They're YOUR reasons for disliking the game.
Not reasons why the game is bad.

Basically your post amounts to
>hey! These are objectively bad even though art is never objective!
Get it?

>>27285302
same could be said about gen 6
which makes this genwar thread completely pointless

>>27285147
What exactly is wrong with Groudon, Kyogre and Dialga? I can understand why some people hate Palkia, but it's still better than "literally just a black dragon" and "literally just a white dragon". Reshiram and Zekrom are by far the most bland box legendary designs in the series.

>>27285290
I think it was pretty heavily implied that I meant "Wrong in my opinion", since there's nothing objectively wrong with any Pokemon games. They're all just opinions. Some people would say Gen I is objectively bad because of the glitches, but many people love the games exactly because of the glitches, so it's actually just another opinion. I'd love to hear some reasons as to why some generation is objectively bad and not just bad in your opinion.

>>27285336
We (most of us) hate gen 6 for lack of content and doing jack shit postgame+characters

>>27284600

>26
>Blue
>5
>4

HGSS were okay but Sinnoh, as a region, was pure garbage and HGSS didn't fix the leveling issues from GSC. Diamond got me back into Pokemon after a long hiatus but it was a really flawed game with a lot of mediocre to shit designs. Especially when a lot of the Gen IV Pokemon are compared to 5, and even 6.

>>27285352
You call them bland, I call them "not overdesigned" like the other four, with all their lines and armor plates of different colors. I gravitate towards the simpler designs, and Reshiram and Zekrom fit that criterion better than the other. They're not much "blander" than Lugia, for example, and I've always found their Tao/Iroquois symbolism interesting.

>>27284600
23
Red
V
III

>>27283722
>The Battle Subway is good
These are the kinds of mouthbreathers who rag on OR/AS.

>>27285336
>which makes this genwar thread completely pointless
Is this only clicking now?

>>27285352
>since there's nothing objectively wrong with any Pokemon games.
You say that but there are very objective flaws with each generation.

>Gen 1 - Glitches, mechanics
>Gen 2 - short main game and butchered Kanto
>Gen 3 - Too much water
>Gen 4 - Speed
>Gen 5 - overly linear
>Gen 6 - Frame rate

There's a reason you have a brain and that's to think.

> but many people love the games exactly because of the glitches, so it's actually just another opinion.
That's not how it works. Glitches are objectively bad for a game simply because they're unintended and can cause problems. While you can have fun with it that doesn't change the fact that they're a flaw.

Also while it isn't my post to reply too.
> but it's still better than "literally just a black dragon" and "literally just a white dragon"
You're simplifying them way too much especially when they don't resemble your basic dragon and have distinct design aspects, one example being their turbine/engine tails.

>>27285515
Jokes on you, I like them both for the exact same reasons.

>>27285542
Well don't I have egg on my face.

>>27282071
I actually agree with you. Good rankings Anon.

>>27285521

None of those really end up being objective.

Gen IV's slow, but some people might find the pace just fine. Not everyone is bothered by Gen V being a giant circle. Gen II's length is just right to some, and some people enjoy Kanto for its novelty despite how short it is.

Hell even Gen I's glitches are viewed as endearing and fun by some people.

You can not review a game objectively. unless it's broken to the point of being unplayable. Which none of the Pokemon games are.

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>>27285521
>You say that but there are very objective flaws with each generation.
Come back when you know what the word "objectively" means. I feel like you're just fishing for (You)'s now, so I'll give you one (just one, I won't reply after this).

>That's not how it works
That exactly how it works.

>While you can have fun with it that doesn't change the fact that they're a flaw
But enjoying the game is the only thing that matters. I've played Gen I multiple times just to fuck around with the glitches. I love them. They're not really causing any harm either since it's practically impossible to unintentionally encounter any harmful glitches during the main story. You think Gen I glitches are bad but I don't. Seems like we're dealing with opinions here instead of objective facts.

>>27285102
>There are a lot of things wrong with Gen V. Personally, I don't like the story at all. It's feels forced and isn't nearly as interesting as people say, especially since GF fucks it up in the end by revealing that Ghetsis is just a generic "I want to rule the world" Saturday morning cartoon villain.


To be honest it makes BW2 with te two team plasma and one of the two that was serious and just tricked pretty cool. Ghetsis is a bit of an edgylord, but N is a good character and the resulting split avoid nicely what you said that was true in BW1

>>27285102
Regarding Ghetsis: in a children's game where I can't possibly take the story seriously, I vastly prefer Saturday morning cartoon villains to shit like Cyrus or Lysandre. The former type is entertaining, the latter type is boring.
Ghetsis is the best Pokemon villain precisely because he pretends to be the "m-m-muh ideals!" kind of villain, throws the mask off at the end, and unambiguously tries to kill you.

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>>27285628
>Come back when you know what the word "objectively" means
Do I really have to google this for you?

>(Of a person or their judgement) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts:

>not influenced by personal feelings or opinions
>facts
Meaning that if you had fun with the flaws it doesn't mean they aren't flaws. Understand?

>That exactly how it works.
That's how subjectivity works
>Based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions:

>But enjoying the game is the only thing that matters.
Not when you're speaking objectively. In that sense a flaw is still a flaw regardless of how it affects enjoyment

>Seems like we're dealing with opinions here instead of objective facts.
You are anon. See how you've been using words like
>Love
>Fun
>Like
and so on? That's speaking with opinions.
Like them or not they're an unintended and unplanned flaw of development and they weren't meant to be there.

Jesus, I can't believe there are people like you still here.
You'd think after seeing these words thrown around you would at least try and Google these words and their meanings.

>>27285817
Being unplanned and unintended doesn't necessarily mean it's a flaw. Your entire post is based on the false assumption that glitches are always flaws, even though that's just your opinion.

>>27284600
>19
>Crystal
>5
>6

>>27285521
>>27285817
"flaws" are subjective too. The glitches are the core example; crappy example but would the glitches in goat simulator be a flaw if it's designed to be this way? For a lot of people the glitches in 1G aren't a flaw; they're a feature.

I never had any fps problem with XY (no, really, I've seen videos abot it but never saw them, just like hyrule warriors) and "linear" isn't a flaw. To me, open world non-linear games are mostly crap and there's no reason for non-linearity to be "objectively" good. The anon above isn't using objectivity well, but you aren't either; what you are saying are FACTS. Facts are not "good" or "flaws"; that's when subjectivity comes in.

Also, Kanto wasn't even supposed to be in the game until Iwata took care of it himself because there wasn't enough space on the cartridge for Johto with how it was compressed before. It's more of a bonus that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place than anything else. Sure it ould have been better, yes, but it explains the "why" at least

>>27285949
>would the glitches in goat simulator be a flaw if it's designed to be this way?
Do you know the definition of a glitch?
A glitch is always unintended.

>For a lot of people the glitches in 1G aren't a flaw; they're a feature.
You just went full Bethesda.

>>27285991
A glitch is not inherently a bad thing. Particularly if it doesn't affect standard gameplay in any way. See: Smash Bros. Melee's glitches.

>>27285991
And? A lot of the glitches in GS are unintended. The still let them him because it's funny and it's THE WHOLE POINT of the thing.

>You just went full Bethesda.

Certainly not. But you're just talking nonsene about your "objectivity". They ARE fact, yes, but it doesn't mean that they are good or bad. Linearity vs open is a pretty good example of this, you'll find examples of people liking both.
And glitches in Gen1 weren't bad enough to be gam-breaking ifyou weren't playing Green. There's nothing wrong with liking something not intended; we are judging the final product here and how good it is here, not the dev's skills. In which case your point would stand.

>>27286010
Flaws don't have to be inherently bad either. A glitch is a flaw, since it's unintended behavior, undesired by the programmer. That much is undeniable. Whether that flaw in the design is positive or negative for the user is a complete different thing. You people are arguing over the most inane bullshit right now: subjective semantics.

>>27286057
See >>27286068. I'm not the anon you were replying to, I just think the three of you are retarded and don't know the meaning of the words you're using.

>>27285899
I can't believe people like you exist.

>Your entire post is based on the false assumption that glitches are always flaws
Unless the glitch effect was planned during development it is an objective flaw in the game that was designed and planned.
That's fact.

Where the opinion comes in to play is the enjoyability factor some people may like it and some people may not, understand?
For example some people might like the Toxic and Leech Seed glitch because it's an easy win and some may hate it because it's broken.
This is an opinion on a flaw.

>>27285949
> crappy example but would the glitches in goat simulator be a flaw if it's designed to be this way?
The keywords being "designed to be this way" if they designed it like that then it's not a flaw and it never will be because it was part of their plans.
Of course I don't think anyone made any plans for Goat Simulator because it was just a small side project that blew up.

>For a lot of people the glitches in 1G aren't a flaw; they're a feature.
You do realise the difference between a feature and a flaw right? Also you're the only person I have ever seen call them a feature.

>Facts are not "good" or "flaws"
There's a difference between a "flaw" and "bad" anon and it's another thing you need to learn when talking about objectivity.
I don't think I can simplify any more than this at this point.

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All even gens are inferior to their odd numbered kin. Obviously 5 is better than 6, 3 is better than 4, and 1 is better than 1.

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>>27286171

*than 2

Will we be able to transfer Pokemon from Generation 5 to Generation 7? I skipped 6 entirely because of how shit it was.

>>27286068
>flaw
noun [ C ] UK /flɔː/ US /flɑː/
C1 a fault, mistake, or weakness, especially one that happens while something is being planned or made, flaw
noun [ C ] UK /flɔː/ US /flɑː/
C1 a fault, mistake, or weakness, especially one that happens while something is being planned or made, or that causes something not to be perfect.


>or that causes something not to be perfect.


Perfection being subjective to begin with by definition when it comes to how "enjoyable" something is, a flaw also is. the word you are searching for in this context is, one again, "fact".
Or "flaw" if we are talking about the skills of the dev. Not if we are talking about whether the games are good or not. Don't try to give lessons to people if you don't get things yourself. Once again it works well if we are talking about programming skills, but not if we are talking about it being enjoyable.A flaw DOES includes a part of judgement since you compare it your "iddeal"; for a perfectly optimized game, there is a objective one, for a perfectly ENJOYABLE game, there isn't.

>>27286171
>Obviously 5 is better than 6
Six isn't good but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

>>27286171
>>27286181
>1 better than 2
are you shitting me?

>>27286199
>especially one that happens while something is being planned or made
>planned
Keyword, you autist.

>Perfection being subjective to begin with
Not with computer programming. If something doesn't run as it should, it just doesn't, period. The enjoyment you get out of the unintended behavior doesn't erase the fact that the program is not behaving as intended.

>Not if we are talking about whether the games are good or not.
I'm not talking about this, I'm just pointing out your stupidity. You don't even know who you're arguing with anymore.

>>27286264
Don't bother.
He's never going to know the difference between subjectivity and objectivity.

>>27286222

Of course Gen 1 is better than Gen 2, kid.

Honestly, I think its the best generation.

>PSS
>Global Link Tournaments
>getting HA Pokemon not total shit
>breeding not 100% shit
>cute stuff like Pokemon Amie and Contests and Secret Bases
>DexNav is rad
>Mega Evolution is cool

Still a lot of room for improvement, though.

Wonder what will be missing from S/M because GameFreak seems to insist on going two steps forward, one step back with each game.

>>27286128
See >>27286199
We are not talking about fucking dev skills here. when it comes to how enjoyable a game is a flaw IS bad because it "deviates from perfection". This makes sense dev-wise, but not when it comes to the quality of the overall game. When it comes to programming, glitchs ARE a flaw, when it comes to enjoyment, if they're harmless, they can be a good thing. Now if you judge your games by the first instead of the second one, it's your problem, but enjoyable DOESN'T mean by definition "well-coded".

>>27286128
The glitches aren't "designed" per se or rather "created"; they just left them here by choice because they are judged as a "positive enhancement" and that's it. Butn it wasn't created as a way to stockpile the most glitches you can.
Again, it all depends of WHAT you are judging. But if we are talking about how GOOD (as in, enjoyable) theses games are, programming skills are not the most important point to take into account. Hell, are combos and cancels in fighting games bad? They originally come from a glitch, too. So it's a flaw from a programming PoV but from an enjoyment one? Does it makes the game go further from the "most perfect enjoyable experiment"? Quite the opposite.

>>27284600
>18
>Emerald
>5
>4

Enjoyed ORAS, didn't even bother playing X or Y

>>27286264
Retard. It began with a fucking

>since there's nothing objectively wrong with any Pokemon games.
>You say that but there are very objective flaws with each generation.

which started because of "meh like/dislike" and people going on about objectivity without knowing its meaning. So we are NOT talking about programmings kills, we are talking about the fact that some """objectively bad""" things are neither "flaws" or "bad things". Even if it isn't there on purpose. If you want to talk about quality programming then fuck off because it isn't the subject, the subject was how good the games are. Which is caused by a lot of other things than just the basic programming. enjoyable or good != thorough programming-wise. something can have terrible bugs and still be good enjoyment-wise.

>>27286380
>we are talking about the fact that some """objectively bad"""
Stopped reading here.
You're literally the only one here that thinks "flaw" is the same as "bad".

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>>27283580
Literally me. I did everything you did to a T

>>27286380
Yeah, I see >>27286279 is right. You think you have a good grasp of objective/subjective, but you're not seeing that you're disregarding the only objective measurement of a game's quality (its level of polish) just because you enjoy the end result. There's no conversation to be had in your side of the argument, you're defending an "everything goes" kind of approach in which every opinion is equally valid.

Level design? Fuck that, I'm having fun. Difficulty curve? But blazing through the game is fun! Aesthetic dissonance between the music and the setting? It just gives the region more personality!

That's the stance you're preaching so vehemently. As long as someone gets enjoyment out of it, it's an untouchable argument. That's a non-conversation, we might as well be arguing which primary color is objectively the best.

tl;dr: you can't discredit the only common ground to have this conversation if you want to have a conversation in the first place.

>>27286420
Not him but the first post that started this said glitches were bad
Which they are because they can cause anything from deletion to softlocking or nothing, hell it even break the cart/disc for good. The unpredictability is the factor that makes it bad. Take the Gen 2 tower for instance.
Teach it waterfall

>>27286420
Read the freaking definition.
>that causes something not to be perfect.

Which is, by its definition, a BAD thing.
To take pokemon as an example, it implies that it isn't "perfectly" enjoyable with the glitches; the glitches goes against the "perfect" experience.

Yes, a flaw/fault is something negative, go get a fucking dictionnary. For someone talking about ojectivity, you don't even know your basic definitions. Therefore, it is a flaw programming-wise. But it doesn't make it a flaw game-wise, since the specifics of the glitch saved the game from it. Don't say to people that they don't know their words when you don't either. If something doesn't cause something to be perfect but lead us to "another" perfection, it's not a flaw anymore product-wise (as opposed to programming-wise)

>>27284600
>19
>Silver
>Gen 4
>Gen 5 or 6

>>27286522
did you read? I keep saying that YES it's a flaw programming-wise, but it isn't one GAME-wise. The whole argument started because of the whole "glitches are bad" thing earlier. Hell, it was put with things that usually aren't seen as good in any case like fps.
I'm basically saying this since 30 minutes, but thing is, this started in a talk about the "best" game; which for most people is the most enjoyable to play. If Gen1 wasn't good because "glitches", despite the glitches being an added value, it wouldn't be an argument, it would be nitpicking.

>>27286579
You're so fucking retarded that you don't even understand the definitions you yourself are posting.

>a fault [...] that happens while something is being planned or made, or that causes something not to be perfect.

This statement, you illetrate fuck, reflects two possible scenarios:

1. a fault that happens while something is being planned or made
2. a fault that causes something not to be perfect

Now I'll let you guess which one of the two definitions we've been using during this whole conversation.

>>27286632
>it's a flaw programming-wise, but it isn't one GAME-wise
This isn't a distinction any person that tries to judge things objectively makes and you're being obtuse on purpose.

>>27284600

>30
>Red
>Gen V
>Gen III

>>27283382
>less people reviewed gen V than gen VI
>gen VI had more people review it than any other gen
Divide 4 by 10, then 4 by 12; convert the quotients into percentages, you'll then see the bullshit.

>>27282048

Not total shit because it did introduce many QoL changes that did benefit Pokemon as a whole, it's just too bad that everything else had to be sacrificed for it such as the OST, the butchering of the Pokemon cries, no interesting minigames, etc.

Gen 6 is probably my least liked Gen atm (I don't hate the games) due to below average mainseries and only two good spinoff series (while a lot of them were either simulators or software apps)

>>27286645
And you conveniently left the weakness out.
>an inadequate or defective quality, as in a person's character; slight fault or defect:

So? It it still different with this definition?
It's exactly the same. The main thing is, it depends from which side you're looking at it. That's it. So once again, for most people who will just care about having funs, it isn't a flaw. For GF programmers? Probably. But we're not asking about their opinion here.

>>27286681
Quite the opposite. Objectively doesn't mean "narrow-minded" "THIS IS BAD THIS IS GOOD"; it implies this WHILE taking the contex around itt into account; right now the context being "from a programming PoV" vs "From someone who just want a guy to have fun" 's PoV. Context is important.
And since the argument wasn't about the best-programmed pokemon game but the best game period, well. Yeah, sorry if some people love Gen1 better (I'm not even one of them, but still) because their definition of a "flawless" game entertainment-wise is different from yours. Objectivity isn't some kind of buzzword with a magical meaning that solves everything without taking the context into account.

>>27282048
>>27282071

3
4
2
6
1

Haven't played 5 because I was depressed during that time.

>>27286812
>So? It it still different with this definition?
Yes, because it say "a fault, mistake OR weakness", not and.

I'm done. You'll have to keep being retarded on your own.

>>27286812
>"From someone who just want a guy to have fun"
>fun
The problem there is that "fun" is a subjective term in and of itself you retard.

Good god,

>>27286874
>making the claim that something is "fun" is somehow invalid
Go back to /v/.

>>27283042
Feel free to quit. Don't make yourself sound so special, bob. Lots here need to learn "self-control" on opinions, lotsa comparing here too for narrow minded asf people. Pokémon is not there to specifically please you, reader. Control them hormones... For a game... Fml.

>>27286812
>because their definition of a "flawless" game entertainment-wise is different from yours.
So you admit that you're arguing opinions here, not objective facts?

From your previous post:
>If Gen1 wasn't good because "glitches", despite the glitches being an added value, it wouldn't be an argument, it would be nitpicking.
It wouldn't be nitpicking if the glitches actively hinder my enjoyment of the game. It is you who is defining them as "added value", not me. That categorization is, again, subjective.

Since we have conflicting opinions about the value we attribute to the glitches themselves, it's moot to argue about the function they perform. Our opinion is opposed in that aspect because we think differently about an objective, factual phenomenon: that glitches exist in the first place.

So, considering we are not using the same framework to evaluate the games fairly, what do you think we should analyze to see if they're good or bad? Facts, like the presence of glitches or, in Kanto's case, the terrible type distribution? Or, on the other hand, your subjective and pointless enjoyment of those glitches?

>>27286894
Are you an idiot?
Fun is literally a subjective term, this isn't some kind of meme you know.
What's fun for you might not be fun for someone else.

I think you may need this http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions

>>27286894
It is. Empirical criticism doesn't judge things based on fun value but on its inherent characteristics. Look at literally any other medium, and from any different school of criticism.

>>27286952
? It's what I've been arguing since the very beginning. Most people in this thread are judging the games without knowing anything programming-wise, god, a lot of them probably wouldn't know the missigno glitch without internet to begin with to give the most famous example, so of course what a "flaw" is is subjective. It isn't programming wise of course but this thread isn't about programming alone, hell, 3/4 of the "arguments" of this thread are probably nostalgia-related. How is that objective.

>It wouldn't be nitpicking if the glitches actively hinder my enjoyment of the game. It is you who is defining them as "added value", not me. That categorization is, again, subjective.

Exactly. But this isn't green where the game was so poorly made that you could swap pokemons with items. BRY is VERY glitchy but most of the glitches are benign.

And no, I like glitches when they are "fun" but if they are hindering me I'm against them too. They ARE bad from a programming PoV. It's just that in BR's case, it wasn't anything too game-breaking and a lot of liked them so much that they triggered them themselves for exploration (see:glitch city). When the glitches ARE game-breaking, or course it' another story altogether, I will not say the opposite, at all.

IMO it depends a lot. Kanto is very good for what most people playing it were back then, kids. Most of them didn'nt care about "technical" things and all. But when iit comes to playing more seriously/competitively, I agree that things like type distribution or, worse, the special stats, are "objectively" bad (except if you just want to rush to the end of the game with an Alakazam, I guess?). Kids will probably not care about it so it's fine with what was its core audience back then (though I can understand why; I think I've read in an Iwata ask that there was like 4 people on the game to do everything, period) but if you want to take the game more seriously, yes, it's a big objective flaw.

>20
>RED
>4 and 5 gen
>6 gen

>>27287145
>Most people in this thread are judging the games without knowing anything programming-wise, god
Stop making assumptions that everyone is as dumb as you are.

Any by any viewpoint a glitch is a flaw to both the developer and player and there's literally no arguments against this because the developer's game came out with unintended effects and the players are often affected by them.
However no one is saying that the flaw can't be a good thing that's where the subjectivity of flaws comes into play.

>BRY is VERY glitchy but most of the glitches are benign
Not true, a large majority are easy to run into during normal play and many you aren't even aware of during gameplay, chances are you probably have encountered them during multiplayer or even the main game. The only benign one would probably be the Missingno glitch because it requires a specific and obvious means of activation.

>>27282844
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dragon_(Egg_Group)

>>27283677
>you're likely to miss a lot of content
>in a fucking pokemon game

That is completely impossible to do, I refuse to believe an adult can miss anything unless they just try to speedrun the damn thing.