>tfw half your opponents team is legends http://replay.po

>half
>both teams combined have 2
????

>>26959635
>both teams combined have 2
1 team has 2.

>>26959626
Either you can't count
Of you don't know what a legendary is

>>26959635
OP is a fag who uses batonpass. Don't expect him to know shit

>>26959626
>playing AG
>not expecting legendaries

>>26959645
>Of you don't know what a legendary is
I guess your cant spell and also dont know what a legendary pokemon is.

>>26959651
t; sub 1200 scum

>>26959665
Its Anything Goes, you can use evasion and everything.

No species limit; only newbs use legends.

>>26959667
I can spell just fine
My phone on the other hand insists I want to spell of instead of if

>>26959697
Regardless; anything that cant breed shouldnt be used in battle.

>>26959731
Get good

>>26959680
Only idiots are surprised when people use the strongest pokemon allowed. Play a different format if you don't like legends.

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>>26959782
>using legends
>still get rekt

>>26959797
>Play a different format if you don't like legends.
I play DS and its similar; now even nintendo has allowed legends into this years tournament rules.

>>26959821
Legends have been allowed in VGC most years, not just this year. There are formats other than AG and VGC. It's not hard to run a viable team in OU with no legends, and it only gets easier as you go further down. LC obviously excludes all legends.

>>26959731
Given that Showdown is purely a battle simulator and the replay in question takes place in the loosest interpretation of the game allowable under normal circumstances, what precedence would there be to exclude Pokemon that can't breed when no Pokemon on Showdown can breed at all?

>>26959908
This year VGC has allowed more legends than previous years and also primals.

>>26959917
>what precedence would there be to exclude Pokemon that can't breed when no Pokemon on Showdown can breed at all?
To prove you're not a complete shit trainer who just spams the same moves on the same 16 pokemon.

Showdown has already been reduced to its knees.

>>26959626
Zapdos and Suicune might be legendaries, but neither one of them is overpowered. Stop feeling high and mighty, OP.

>>26959947
>but neither one of them is overpowered
Their stats alone are overpowered.

>>26959918
I am aware, I regularly play in VGC events. The post I replied to said that legends have been allowed into this year's ruleset, I was pointing out that this isn't new. VGC 2015 allowed all but event-exclusive and cover legends, VGC 2014 allowed the legendary birds, 2013 was like 2015, etc. This year was the first since 2010 to allow cover legends, but nearly every format has allowed legends of some type.

>>26959958
I've been playing since before 2010 and I can assure legends have not always been in VGC rules.

>>26959953
>Zapdos BST 580
>Pseudos all have 600
>Mega kanga has 590 and a stupid ability
Yes legendaries are definitely the problem

>>26959931
>To prove you're not a complete shit trainer who just spams the same moves on the same 16 pokemon.
There would be nothing stopping that exact scenario happening when unbreedable Pokemon are removed from battle. It's part of how competitive Pokemon works at the moment.

op you're bad i checked you rank and you have like 180 wins and 170 losses. Step up fago.

>>26959979
>Mega kanga has 590 and a stupid ability
Thats a mega and understandably buffed.

Don't forget that legends also have unique moves.

>>26960004
t; sub 1300 scum.

>>26960010
Well I dont play Anything goes but im 1700 in OU right now.

>>26959976
I listed 4 examples of past seasons which allowed legends; 2010 and 2013-2015. 2011 and 2012 also allowed legends, namely the musketeers. Please, tell me about all these no-legend VGC formats.

>>26959991
>There would be nothing stopping that exact scenario happening when unbreedable Pokemon are removed from battle.
Of course because people are wildly ignorant.

>>26960020
>but im 1700 in OU right now.
>I wont play against sand attack
>I wont play against 2 pokemon with baton pass
>I wont play against evasion
>I wont play against 2 rattata's
Youre showdown in a nutshell.

>>26960010
Tell me, what exclusive move does Zapdos have? Suicune? Moltres?

>>26960032
Look up before 2010; or provide information about your sources.

>>26960034
>I think sucking at AG is better than being good at OU

>>26960048
Tell me what specific move darkrai and victini use?

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>>26960064
>i play OU

>>26960066
You said legends get unique moves. I listed examples of legends which do not, I never said that none do. Some non-legends get unique moves, does that make them broken too?

>>26960094
>I listed examples of legends which do not, I never said that none do.
Congratulations. So im not wrong.

>>26960054
You can find brief descriptions of the rulesets on bulbapedia's pages on the world championships 2010 onward. VGC literally only existed since 2009, so at most you're talking about 1 year of no-legend VGC before 7 straight seasons with legends.

>>26960034
>Of course because people are wildly ignorant.
Removing unbreedables doesn't solve this.

>>26959626
More proof that AG players are mentally handicapped

>>26960105
When you say legends get unique moves in the context of a discussion about why legends should be banned, it implies that 1) only legends get unique moves and 2) all legends get unique moves. If some legends get uniques and some don't, and some non-legends get uniques and some don't, how does that justify banning legends any more than banning non-legends?

>>26960116
>2009
Weren't Zapdos and Azelf used that year?

>>26960132
>it implies that 1) only legends get unique moves and 2) all legends get unique moves.
No, no no no, youre pathetic.

That is what youre using to justify using legends. Smeargle isnt overpowered.

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>>26960116
>>26960140
>VGC allows legends
>I'll put 2-4 on my team

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>>26960140
Looks like you're right, I found a banlist for a 2009 tournament.

>playing AG

Literally why?

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>>26960169
>More than half of this list is now allowed
>a quarter of this list has further evolutions that are permitted.

>>26960169
Why was Rotom banned?

>>26960175
not him but I do it so I don't have to worry about the no fun allowed clauses

>>26960143
I literally have no idea what you're trying to say. You said that legends are OP because of unique moves. I pointed out that some legends don't get unique moves, so they shouldn't be banned by your logic. Further, some non-legends do get uniques, so by your logic they should be banned. What part of this are you trying to argue?

>>26960201
>I pointed out that some legends don't get unique moves, so they shouldn't be banned by your logi
If you're not a complete moron, you can factor in the fact that legends also have increased stat allocations.

Now add that to the diverse movepools legends have and you will find that furthering your argument is futile.

>>26960185
Probably because this was done in Platinum, so Rotom formes existed but only if you had the event. So Rotom-h or whatever was effectively event-exclusive at that point, and it's easier to just ban the rotom species than implement a forme ban.

>>26960214
The unique moves point was brought up as a response to a post where I pointed out that Zapdos is in no way OP stat-wise >>26959979

>>26960214
If you're referring to Primal Groudon and Mega Fug then sure but Zapdos and Suicune actually have lower BST than all pseudolegends and most megas in addition to not having a movepool that's particularly diverse compared to most other fully evolved pokemon

>>26960214

so are are you retarded or what?

>>26960242

Many other legends have 580 stats, including but not limited to;
Registeel, Regirock, Regice, Suicune, and Azelf.

The next highest stat is Arcanine at 555.

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>>26960242
>>26960255
>samefagging this hard
>being so bad at pokemon you defend having multiple legends on 1 team

>>26960269
Yes, so all of those legends have worse stats than say, Garchomp, Goodra, Mega Kangaskhan, and Mega Blaziken.

>>26960214
>legends
>diverse movepools
Not really. Even when they do, most of the moves are useless fluff.

>>26960286
Not an argument.

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>>26960286
I'm not samefagging, you're just actually retarded.

>>26960300
>>26960312
>>26960315
And kyogre has less stats than primal kyogre.

Another frail point.

>>26960325
If your argument is that legends should be banned for having high stats, then so should every pokemon that has higher stats than at least one legendary. Phione has base 480, so say goodbye to all starters, most megas, and all kinds of random mons .

>>26960214
What exactly makes Suicune and Zapdos' movepools particularly diverse

>>26960353
>if your argument is that legends should be banned for having high stats
>Phione has base 480
Thats not the sole reason legends should be banned but of course thats the only leg you have to stand on so you;re fixated on it.

So you're constantly listing the only 5 pokemon that break the mold of how legends are allocated. Pretty desperate.

>>26960375
What other reasons, hmm? I've already refuted your claim about moves, you can't claim that their abilities are better when so many have shit like pressure, and while some have good typings, plenty don't. If you don't want to count Phione, fine. Lots of legends sit at 580, so ban all psuedos and most megas.

>>26960404
>I've already refuted your claim about moves
No, you havent. You've just listed legends that DONT get special movesets.

You've neglected to mention the many who do and also that are permitted to use.

>>26960448
Yes, I refuted your point that legendary = good moveset. If only some legends get special moves, only ban those particular mons .

>>26960448
>You've just listed legends that DONT get special movesets.
Such as Zapdos and Suicune, for example? The fact that you're complaining about those two while playing a format that allows three Darkrais and a Mega Fug is pretty fucking retarded.

>>26959680
>No species limit; only newbs use legends.
The legends he used were shit, all psuedos bar goodra outclass Zapdos and Suicune.

>>26960479
>Such as Zapdos and Suicune, for example?
>The fact that you're complaining about those two
So you're just being willfully ignorant and acting like the only 2 legends in the game are Zapdos and Suicune.

Again, listing the same pokemon because the obvious ~trend~ triggering you.

>>26960512
And you're acting like the musketeers, birds, beasts, and golems don't exist because they clearly demonstrate that simply being a "legendary" doesn't make a mon worth banning.

>>26960512
No, but those were the two that triggered you hard enough to make a thread about it. If you were complaining about three Darkrais and a Mega Fug then you would have a leg to stand on but you're not, you're complaining about one OU and one UU mon for no other reason than the fact that they have diverse movepools, which they don't, the fact that they have high BST, which many other non-legendaries do, and the fact that they're classified as legendaries, which is completely arbitrary in competitive.

>>26960539
>And you're acting like the musketeers, birds, beasts, and golems don't exist because
No im not you moron, im saying they need to be banned.

Why don't you stop being edgy and trying to tell everyone what their intentions are just to prove that you're not a newb who uses 2 legends on his team.

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>1414 points in AG

>>26960548
>If you were complaining about three Darkrais and a Mega Fug then you would have a leg to stand on but you're not
Who says I havent faced that 10 times already in showdown?

Are you so autistic you think the pokemon in 1 match is what someone posts about?

>>26960573
t; sub 1350 scum

>>26960580
Then stop playing AG or fucking deal with it, you retard. Are you upset that someone didn't create a format specifically for you? Because that would just be silly.

>>26959667
>I guess your can't spell

Top kek.

>>26960613
That whole sentence is fucked.

>>26960611
>Then stop playing AG or fucking deal with it
>OU and UU mon
>hurr durr
Showdown is dead because of people like you.

I could post my team defeating wave after wave of legends. You're using 5-6 pokemon to try and debunk the fact that legends are clearly designed to be overpowered.

So dont use 4 on 1 team.

>>26960558
OK, so why should we ban Zapdos? Explain it to me. Don't say it has a good ability (it doesn't) high stats (not really) a special movepool or a good typing. Does the fact that we call it a "legendary" automatically make it stronger?

>>26960638
>legends are clearly designed to be overpowered
So why not use them?

>>26960645
>OK, so why should we ban Zapdos?
>Zapdos is banned in many formats
>has baton pass
Why are you so fixated one 5 pokemon?

Get over it, legends are designed to be better than other pokemon. It doesnt matter if a few basic mon get in the upper tier. They are also designed that way, and its OBVIOUS.

>>26960671
Why not kill, steal and rape?

>>26960638
>You're using 5-6 pokemon to try and debunk the fact that legends are clearly designed to be overpowered
Okay

Articuno
Zapdos
Moltres
Raikou
Entei
Suicune
Registeel
Regice
Regirock
Regigigas
Azelf
Uxie
Mesprit
Cobalion
Virizion
Cobalion
Heatran

These pokemon are all objectively weaker than Mega Kangaskhan.

>>26960688
>using a legendary pokemon is the same thing as killing, raping and stealing

>>26960701
>These pokemon are all objectively weaker than Mega Kangaskhan.
HURR DURR

KYOGRE IS WEAKER THAN PRIMAL KYOGRE HURR DURR

>>26960717
Mega Kangaskhan isn't a legendary though. That's a weak analogy.

>>26960717
All these pokemon that you think should be banned are weaker than one you think should be allowed. You clearly know that this point destroys you because you never even try to counter it.

>>26960742
But its Mega.

Most megas are that strong because so many people spam legends and that way (with megas) you can boost and at least have a chance.

>>26960760
>All these pokemon that you think should be banned are weaker than one you think should be allowed.
Again, someone projecting what another thinks to complete their argument.

>>26960778
So you need Mega Kangaskhan to compete with these? >>26960701

>>26960794
You said those were overpowered by Mega Kang, which is obvious; Im sorry you made a stupid post which shows how blind you are.

>>26960805
I'm not >>26960760

>>26960817
Ok, then do you support using more than 1 legend on your team?

>>26960828
In a format called Anything Goes, sure. That's what it's for. If you don't like broken pokemon then you should play a format that bans them. Because it sounds like your ban criteria is ”thing that I don't like.”
Daily reminder that putting meme arrows in front of OU is not an argument.

>>26960894
Even in AG on Showdown, there are banned pokemon. Im not making a comment on that criteria.

Im simply saying if you're using more than 1 legends you're not a good trainer. Stop trying to transplant your ideas onto mine to make yourself seem write.

>>26960828
As someone who was introduced to higher battling through Battle Revolution, I don't put too much emphasis on what the opponent brings. I focus on whether I have the right tools to win or not.

I guess in short, yes.

>>26960894
Not me

>>26960926
What does AG ban?

>>26960926
The only bans on AG are hackmon and Funbro.

>>26960950
Certain pokemon with certain move combos.


>>26960959

>>26960950
I think AG bans any Pokemon whose sole goal is to create endless battles.

>>26960973
>Pokemon whose sole goal is to create endless battles.
Aka, please dont make me struggle.

>>26960959
>>26960973
Oh right, forgot that clause exists

>>26960967
That's a banned moveset, not a banned pokemon.

>>26960984
You're allowed to PP stall them until they struggle themselves to death. You're just not allowed to Heal Pulse them indefinitely.

>>26960992
Splitting hairs.

The point is im commenting on something beyond just showdown. Using legendary pokemon, or pokemon who dont breed, is poor training.

>>26960992
In that case, any unreleased or impossible Pokemon.

>>26961019
Yeah fuck Nidoqueen players for using OP shit.

>>26961038
Im not going through this again, its obvious the pokemon that people shouldnt use.

Have some fucking respect.

>>26961045
>its obvious the pokemon that people shouldnt use
Based on what criteria? Because I don't personally mind if my opponent is using Regice.

>>26961066
>Because I don't personally mind if my opponent is using Regice.
Would you mind if you saw 2 Darkrai? Or if someones team had a Latios, Latias and Darkrai? I've seen this on DS, battling 6v6

>all shinies
>holding the speed boost until x3, even if could outspeed any opponent turns before
>insisting on milotic against crocune

God, the opponent is not the problem.

>>26961094
>all shinies
What? Not true

>insisting on milotic against crocune
Did you not see that burn are you blind?

>>26961093
I wouldn't if I was deliberately seeking out a format that allows it.

>>26961093
No. Usually when you come up against these pokemon, you're playing in a format that allows or encourages that type of play. It wasn't uncommon to run into teams with 2 Scarf Kyogre, a Darkrai and E-Killer at some points, but it also wasn't uncommon to run into people who beat those set ups consistently.