I can't quite understand people's way of thinking.

>>26946667
ARE YOU COMPARING MOTHERFUCKING SEAKING WITH THAT PIECE OF SHIT?

Most haters are BTFO'd talonflamers.

literally shit fish b8 m8

seaking is based af

>>26946689
Are you not?

>>26946667
I don't mind the recent art direction but I really do miss Gen I and II shading. It looks old school and genuine, idk how to put it honestly.

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>>26946667
I kinda like its design.

Every time I see it I hear the voice of pic related

>>26946717
I'm not talking about the art I'm talking about the design. Yes I do miss Sugimori's shading however I love the new linework seems so smooth and clean

>>26946667
The only thing that bothers me about Bruxish is the official art. It doesnt quite have the same proportions as the model, where it truly shines

Seaking is probably my least favorite of all of 1st Gen mainly based on the fact it's almost hard to consider a pokemon. If it wasn't for the unicorn horn randomly taped to its head, it really would just look like a random fish.

Bruxish may be goofy looking,but it was designed to be wild and out there and it's design offers much more personality. I don't straight up hate Seaking, I just find it boring and unimaginative

>>26946689
Seaking is literally the worst

I absolutely love Bruxish. The whole design is perfect to me, the colour scheme is just so damn good!

>>26946768
The model does look really good. If the art was a bit more dynamic, maybe with the bulb open, it would look better.

i like bruxish, especially when people pointed out its inspiration

anyway why do you care about what other people think anyway

People simply don't get that weird designed fishes exist

Bruxish isn't an exaggeration except for maybe the teeth

>>26946699
This
>bbut muh win button wont werk;_;

I just think all the colors, giant lips, and weird eyelashes make it look like some weird drag queen fish.

Plus the razor teeth kind of clash with the rest of it's design.

>>26946667
It's not the design that bothers people, it's the style in which it was designed.
Look at it compared to Seaking; they don't look like they belong to the same franchise at all.
That's the issue people have with it - whether they understand it or not.
Idiots responding with
>it's supposed to be ugly
are the worst because that's not the issue - the issue is that the style is a huge departure from what we've grown to expect/love from Pokemon.

Bruxish is fine, its fanbase however is full of elitist tards that shit on anyone that dislikes their fucking fish.

>>26947470

Welcome to Gen III.

>>26946746
They used to make cartoon representations of real life animals and now they just make cartoons.

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>>26946739
As we say in the bayou

"Bye, you."

>>26947524
There's a significant difference between changing the medium from watercolours and not being restricted graphically to plastic blobs from Pamyu Pamyu music videos.
You maybe don't know how to accept a proper argument.

>>26946667
i wish they had done blue on green instead of pink on yellow, and made the tailfin biggger. but it is what it is, not all pokemon are going to appeal to your taste.

Seaking's design is florid and graceful while Bruxflish is bold and brash and I much prefer the former's aesthetics.

>>26946667
Everyone has to remember that pokemon are now created with the 3D model in mind, instead of the sprite.
Look at how Bruxish pose and head-flower look when is attacking, then look at Seaking doing the same: you will notice the difference

>>26947611
Nah, psychedelic colors work better magenta/yellow/cyan. The purple ups the glam factor in my eyes.

But then psychedelic coloring is inherently niche.

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>>26947585

No, I mean that all of the problems you have with how Pokemon are designed now began with Gen III and continued until we got to the style the games have today. This isn't some new occurrence.

>>26946667
Seaking doesn't look like a whore

>>26946667
Seaking is beautiful.

I like Seaking's color scheme a lot more than Bruxish's. Black and white are neutral colors that blend with its orange.

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>>26947795
>doesnt look like a sweet transvestite from transsexual Transylvania
I'm naming mine Frank

>>26947585
Pokemon is 20 years old. Things are going to change over time in the way pokemon are designed and how they are drawn/colored.

Change is a good thing for the most part. It opens up the gates for more interesting designs and appealing to more and more people.

You can still enjoy the old while enjoying the new and while they dont necessarily have the looks that generation 1 started off with, they certainly aren't bad in some measurable way. It would all come down to subjective taste.

>>26947858
Naming the rock dog Rocky

>>26947916
I never said anything about anything being "bad", mate, you might want to read things properly.
I gave an explanation for why the design isn't being received well.

Also
>It would all come down to subjective taste 'bad' is an objective term, subjective is just whether or not you like something.
From a design standpoint, the character portraits for both Bruxish and Drampa are pretty hideous and there's definitely elements being taken from Yokai Watch as a weird attempt to stamp out their competition which is sure to further put people off.. Then the localised names need to be brought up because almost all of them are really bad and it's not really helping. I'm honestly shocked that PunPun bug isn't getting any hate, though.

I don't really care myself, I'll buy the game anyway. I'm not too found of the stylistic choices myself, but I'm willing to give it a chance.

>>26947762
You could say that, sure. It's still the reason people dislike that fish, though. That's my point.

>>26947993
The main reason people I've seen for people hating has been "because it's ugly" and "the colors are bad"

Dunno where your getting your shit from.

>>26948078
These are people who don't understand how to explain what it is they don't like about it. By ugly you're assuming they mean it has a silly face or whatever, but by ugly they surely mean the style in which it was designed.

The colour thing is just closet faggots.

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>>26947611
>>26947667

SEAKING! FUCK YEA!

The lips aren't the problem, the coloring is.

>>26948510

The coloring is the best part though.

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>>26948524

>>26946667
Seaking looks beautiful. Bruxish is a clusterfuck.

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>>26946667
>fish doesn't have eyelids
>bruxish looks like it was designed by a kid
can't even comparte seaking to that
>seaking have good designed teeth
>seaking has gills

>>26948562
>Complains that fish don't have eyelids and Bruxish does.
>No mention of the fucking horn on Seaking's head

>>26948524
>>>/reddit/

>>26947993
god drampa and cruxfish are both horrible. A good way to show the departure of classic designs through the years is through the regional birds. Compare pidgey with that cartoony horrible proportioned abomination pikipek. One has a more rough art style. Even the way it's drawn has more watercolor shading and less flat colors. It maintains an equilibrium between simple and realistic, not afraid to have sharp edges or textured feathers on it's wings. And look at pikipek; incredibly cartoony with only curves and flat saturated colors. I'm not trying to promote genwunner faggotry here, but things have changed, and I haven't been partial to any of the new designs released for this gen so far.

>>26946667
Seaking looks like a Pokemon and Bruxish honestly looks like an actual Yokai.

Notice how Seaking has a vacant look in his facial expression. Now compare that to Bruxish's smug grin and stare.

>>26948788
>an actual Yokai
I assume you mean a Yokai Watch character and not an actual Yokai since Yokai are Japanese spirits and about half of all of the Pokemon are based on them including Eggsecute, Froslass and Mawile.

But, yeah
>Notice how Seaking has a vacant look in his facial expression. Now compare that to Bruxish's smug grin and stare
This is a really important fault in some of the designs these days and specifically that smug fish; the design has it look as though every Bruxish by default has the same personality. It makes it less like a species of monster and more like a wacky cartoon character.. It's off-putting.

>>26948607
fish have horns

>>26946689
seaking is literally the most irrelevant pokemon ever made

>>26950080
Name me one.

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>>26948524

>>26946699
It's water/electric?

>>26950319
Not even the same anon, but a quick Google immediately brought this up. I'm not sure if these are "true" horns or not though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longhorn_cowfish

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>>26948562
>fish don't have eyelids

and those aren't gills on seaking, just more spots

>>26950414
Its ability prevents moves that have priority

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I do like the model a lot better.
I don't think it's a top-tier design but it's nice to see more unique fish-inspired pokemon especially in a region like Alola. I think the eyes should be a bit smaller.

Speaking of Seaking, I feel like it's really obviously lacking an evolution which adds a Flying type to it. It's Lightning-Rod ability would counter the added Electric weakness, it's Water typing would counter the added Ice weakness and it would lose it's weakness to Grass. Its stats are definitely only worthy of a second-stage Pokémon and it gets some really interesting moves (Megahorn, Drill Run) that are wasted on it.

>>26950080
A single fish species that has nothing in common with Seaking except it has horns. Even then, they have two small horns instead of one gigantic one.

>>26947524
To be fair, Gen IV and beyond brought the designs back toward Gen I and II quality. I'll take Bruxish over Claydol any day.

>>26946667
You literally just disproved your own argument by showing Seaking next to this piece of turd.

>>26946667
Dumb anime teeth.

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>>26947117
>all the colors, giant lips, and weird eyelashes make it look like some weird drag queen fish

That's what I love about it though. It's flamboyant, I love the exaggerated lips and huge teeth, the smug grin makes it for me. It's a complete and total eyesore, but it has so much personality. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm definitely giving this hideous thing a spot on my team.

>>26950469
Those are actually just plates. Just saying to answer your question.

>>26946667

Seaking looks organic at least. Bruxish looks like a plastic toy.

>>26946667
too much is happening in its design. unlike seaking

its like when people say im a genwunner cause i dislike vanillite yet i like chandelure

>>26946667
Seaking doesn't look hideously garish. Not all Pokemon designs are winners.

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>>26946667
I always thought of this guy when I saw Seaking

>>26946667
Seaking is normal fish with plausible colors. Teethy is a gaudy reef fish.

>>26946667
Bruxish looks shit to me, case closed.

>>26946667
>haven't had water/psychic since gen 2
>forgetting lumineon exists

>>26951813
Anon, lumineon is pure water.

>>26947657
More like belongs in the trash

>>26947117
But that's all intentional, I don't know why people can't comprehend that it's SUPPOSED to be like some overly beauty conscience person, who over does it and becomes hideous.

Its even got a smug shiteating grin of that kind of person, the sharp teeth adds to it's probable hostile personality/

>>26946841
>>26946704
>>26950296
>STILL using that fucking word

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>>26951852
>STILL liking Golem

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>>26951265

I'm right there with you bro. Guarantee spot on my team.

>>26946667
It looks like a drag queen.

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It looks like this bitch.

It's too busy, like a parrot fish with dick sucking lips and sharp teeth, but also this loud obnoxious pink and yellow pattern and eyelash makeup?

>>26946667
Seaking looks like a pokémon. Bruxish looks like a fakemon.

>>26951846
Well if that's the point, then isn't it fair if some people dislike it? Not everyone has the same tastes after all.

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>>26950365

Seaking is literally my mom's fish

>>26946667
Proper fin detail>simplistic looking garbage. I really hate modern pokemon shading style.

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>>26948654
>I'm not trying to promote genwunner faggotry here, but things have changed,
Then you have been fucking blind since 1999.

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>>26955944
>Proper fin detail

>>26951265

This post is so cringey and gay.

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>>26946667
Personally I find it Yokai Watch tier ugly.
But I accept that some apparently love it. Don't understand why. I'll probably never see the appeal.

Personally I love Vikavolt, though others might find it's design to be Digimon ugly.

Taste is subjective and good taste is just what most can agree upon. Every single generation have had pokemon I loved and hated. Nothing has changed.

>>26946689
>>26946667
Seaking is an ugly piece of shit and I've hated Goldeen/Seaking since day 1. I don't like how this new fish looks either, but anything is better than Seaking.

>>26946667
You know what? I do like Bruxish, but after looking at a side-by-side comparison of Brux and Seaking, there is one thing that bothers me about Brux's design.

Those black outlines separating the colors really hurt an otherwise solid design. It makes Bruxish look like he's made of segmented parts.

I'll try and fix it later myself.

>>26946667
Left looks like a fish
Right looks like a drag queen with a penis on its head

Don't let other people's opinions get to you, OP. If you like Bruxish, that's all that matters.

As for myself, I like every new Pokémon revealed thus far - natural and appropriate in the context of their environment.

P.S. Drampa is my favourite!

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Did a sloppy job but I think you all get the point I'm trying to make here. It looks as though the 3D model doesn't have pitch black outlines separating the colors, but I still think an outline was completely unnecessary.

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>>26951846
>Y U NO UNDERSTAND??? IDS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIEK SHIT XDDD

>>26960461
This looks 100x better

The lips and the colors still make it look like shit, but it looks like a shitty pokemon instead of a shitty nickelodeon cartoon

>>26960461
Yeah they really do like their hard lines a bit too much. I never really liked Seaking but, at least in the OP picture, it looks fairly natural.

>>26960197
This. Brux looks like a coloring book picture. I would like it more if the colors were more complementary and blended together.

Something more akin to light shinning on an oil spill or in bubble soap.

It's simple. Seaking looks like an over grown koi fish with a horn. So not too weird and something that could exist in real life.
Bruxish looks like someone tried to draw and color a fish while tripping on acid.

>>26951833
nice dubs
nice post in general

>>26950296
>what is Lumineon?

>>26960551

So one is actually creative while the other is literally a generic fish with a horn slapped on?

>>26960592
>what is about 80% of the pokedex

>>26947497
That's how fuckin' everybody is on this board with any Pokémon they like

>>26960606
creative doesn't always mean good. Twilight portrays vampires in a new 'creative' way by not sticking to "boring generic" vampires.

>>26960551
First off, Bruxish is a slightly stylized Triggerfish, the shape, the lips, and the teeth are very similar to the actual animal, they're just exaggerated. Secondly, though both a very similar to the animal they're based off, Seaking is extremely boring and generic, while Bruxish is much livelier.

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>>26960642
this is a trigger fish according to wikipedia. maybe if they stuck to this kind of color scheme instead of that mess of pink, blue, yellow, and purple they used i'd actually like Bruxish.

>>26960461
That looks much better. Still ugly in my opinion, but that does make it look less like a plastic toy.

>>26951846

Do you like every pokemon that has ever been released? Most people have at least one they don't like which is normal for a series with so many monsters.

A lot of people are disgusted by the things design, I don't know why that offends so many people. There are already a shitload of top tier Alola pokemon so I don't think Bruxish is an indicator of the whole dex.

What I will say is that the quality of the designs overall have gotten worse over time, with the only exceptions being Johto (which have quite a few shitmons) and Kalos (which has an amazing dex despite being released very recently.

The community has spoken and the majority doesn't like the designs like Bruxish, Drampa, etc.

>>26946667
>lipstick
>razor teeth
>pink+yellow colour
>eyelashes
>whatever that thing above its eye is
Sorry m8, it may compete with Gorebyss to be the worst Water type to me.
I've always liked Seaking, too bad it's so unpopular everywhere.

>>26951846
There's a difference between understanding the design and liking it. Similar thing with Jynx (although I don't really dislike it).

>>26960681
You do realize that's one species of Triggerfish right? There's hundreds of them, with all sorts of insanely vibrant color schemes.

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>>26960461
removed the eyelashes

>>26960681

Bruxfish is supposed to have bright, flashy colors. Why the fuck do you think its ability is called Dazzle?

Nothing matters besides the fact that it's ugly and should've never been released. Take your art theory Anne everyhting else and shove it right in the trash.

No mercy for uggs.

>>26960753
I'm pretty sure that if Bruxish was shaped like an actual fish that could actually swim, had slightly bigger fins, smaller eyes and the angle on it's eyelid brought in a little more... There'd be no problem. I'd also remove it's 'tude since shoving a personality on an entire species of pokemon is a bad call in my book.

The only issue with Drampa is it's name. If it was called anything else at all it'd be fine... Though pretty much all the new Pokemon have terrible names.

>>26960839
>I'm pretty sure that if Bruxish was shaped like an actual fish
It is based on an actual fish that looks just a stupid as the it does.

>>26960768
show me a real life trigger fish with such hideous pink and yellow. I still won't like bruxish but i won't complain about how stupid it looks.
>>26960803
you can have shimmering shiny scales without having such obnoxious coloring.

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>>26952913
naming mine Lip Service

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>>26960872

Do you cry about real fish having obnoxious coloring too?

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>>26960946
io said hidious PINK and yellow. that is purple.
>>26960945
that fish is no where near as obnoxiously colored as bruxish. orange and yellow don't clash as much as blue against pink. the yellow splotches on that fish blend in rather than pop out.

>>26960863
>based on an actual fish
Just like how my mam's favourite movie is 'based on a true story' but doesn't remotely resemble a true story.

Fish aren't shaped like that. It doesn't look like a fish, it doesn't look like it can swim. It looks like someone took a smug transvestite's face and a lozenge and decided to call it a fish. That's what it looks like... Because it's a pretty bad design.

>>26960839

>The only issue with Drampa is its name

I disagree. Maybe that argument could apply to the Electric/Steel pikaclone. I don't mind when pokemon aren't given westernized names but the thing's name is just almost impossible to ever remember. You would have to memorize 5 syllables and exactly the order they appear in. I would say it's the worst name the western games have ever gotten.

Pachirisu even is easy to remember.

Also Drampa's name is literally the only thing I like about it. EVERYTHING ELSE about it is shit tier.

>>26961001
agreed. drampa looks like it belongs in legend of zelda, windwaker, not pokemon.

Most fish pokemon are garbage. They're either the most boring pieces of shit like Seaking, or look fucking disgusting like Bruxish. There are very few exceptions.

But Seaking looks decent and not like a failed gen 3/5 pokemon

>>26961031
>drampa looks like it belongs in legend of zelda, windwaker
You say that like this is a bad thing.

>>26961001
>I disagree
Is what you wrote, and then wrote about something else's name that is unrelated to my point.

>name is literally the only thing I like about it
>I like
>I
Here's your problem. That's an opinion; that's you liking it. That's not what I was discussing; I was discussing it being a good/bad design. Preference is irrelevant, I'm on about objectives within character design - specifically dealing with a franchise about collecting and documenting species of wild [monsters]. Drampa, Bruxish et al aren't examples of this - they're cartoons. It's a departure from the series' core concept.

I posted this in another thread, it might help you understand:

A lot has to do with the styles that are popular right now with their target audience; that audience being Japanese kids, primarily. You should be able to see some similarities between Yokai Watch characters and the newest Pokemon. You'll see a lot of the colours they're using now, too, in the newest JPop music videos. There's a large part of the design process based around that. Back in 1996 fantasy JRPGs were the big games and water-colour character portraits were the standard - now it's plastic blobs.

That's not the biggest issue I've found with the newest ones, though. Well, specifically their localised names are fucking garbage and it's making reasonable designs come across worse... But on top of that, and using the fish - Bruxish(?) - as an example: the early designs/character portraits were like a document of a species, whereas the new ones prescribe attitudes and personalities to the Pokemon (on top of them looking like they could never actually exist in real life). They're toys/cartoon characters and not fantasy monsters... Essentially.

>>26950732
>Hating on Claydol

Are you incapable of having any form of good taste?

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>>26961059
I don't dislike the wind waker style, don't get me wrong. But it's a lot different from pokemon's style. when things drawn in different styles interact it's weird. Like when Disney had all those crossover episodes of lilo and stich the animated series, but the characters from other shows weren't drawn in the lilo and stich style.

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>>26960981

How is this? It has the same exact color scheme Bruxfish has.

>>26960981

nobody cares

>>26961171
wow. okay bruxish you're off the hook. you look fucking stupid but i guess real life fish look fucking stupid too.