Why didn't they just use Pokedex 3D Pro models for gen 6?

That would have made too much sense. And we know how good GF is at doing things that make sense.

>>26546232
they're the same models with cel shading filter applied on them

>>26546254
I think OP meant the vivid colours.

>>26546232
They did, retard.

>>26546232

They're pretty much the same models iirc but I'd much rather they look cel shaded than like shiny plastic so thank god they were smart enough to change it

>>26546232

Both color variations are pretty bad the pokde 3d being to sharp and vivid and the gen 6 games being dull and washed out. One right in between wouldve been nice.

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The Gen 6 models are fine. There would've been less complaints if the color palettes from the models where based from the pokedex app models and not the sugimori art. As pokedex app used more vibrant, more appealing palettes similar to the sprites.

>>26546433
>first 3D game
>still majorly based off the 2d artwork style
>uses official art for trainers and gym leader encounters over 3D models

The artwork popping in and out before and after battles looked like one of those RPG maker games.

Thank god they're gonna fix this in SM.

>>26546232

They didn't want to.

>>26546232
>shading with gray
You cannot really believe that looks better than XY.

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if the models were the same or tweaked, though the ones ingame have a stupid amount of verts and I don't know how good the pokedex3d ones are. Textures are different obviously, but all they'd have to do is batch saturate the current textures a little. Maybe things will be better in SM since it's a tropical region and not soft and pastel like Kalos.

>>26546297
They look like from an early 3D PSX game
Dull and soulless

>>26546636
I hope this is bait.

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>people hate gen 6 graphics
Why? Whats wrong?

>>26546660
They just look the sprites of gen 4/5, but bigger and pulled over a 3D mesh.

>Kalos
>"the beautiful region"
>ugly graphics

>>26546660
Models are extremely low poly, PS1-tier, and washed out colors.

>>26546688
you've never played a PS1 game and the models are anything but low poly

>>26546660
see
>>26546433
I prefer having slightly darker colors

>>26546696
just look at this shit >>26546660

>>26546688
the models are actually pretty high-poly, you just can't see it well since the 3DS is pretty low-res.
>PS1-tier
go back to /v/, since you're clearly too underage or stupid to know what PS1 games looked like

>>26546696
They're still ugly, though.

Why continue to use the bobbleheads when you're in 3D? I thought they only did that because of the limitations of sprites. You can't even see the custom trainer really well outside of changing your clothes.

>>26546688
You do know the battles run like ass because the models are far too high poly for a 3DS right?

>>26546716
then you also never played the gen 6 games congrats

>>26546738
No, it's because the game is optimized like fucking shit.
GF are shitty developers. 3DS can handle much more intense stuff.

>>26546755
>>26546738
I'd be glad if someone could provide a fucking source on how high-poly the battle models are and comparing them to the poly count of models from other 3DS

>>26546743
Gen 6 pokemon models are fine.

The overworld was ugly.

>>26546768
>I'd be glad if someone could provide a fucking source on how high-poly the battle models are
>and a source on the poly count of models from other 3DS games
There. Sorry I butchered that so badly. All I ever see from these "debates" is people repeating hearsay.

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>>26546755
i love it when people have no idea what theyre talking about
>Says there are around 12k triangles. Let's look at an average wifi match, 2v2, and say on average a model has 10k, then we're looking at 40k polygons for a 2v2 battle

>>26546815
That's 40k polygons for a double battle, the 3DS wasn't made to handle that smoothly. GF made these models knowing they can get years and years of mileage out of them.

>>26546829
dont worry anon, i know

>>26546815
sugoi.

the models are standing idly for 96% of any match and there's nothing intsensive going on in the background. Sun and Moon is fucking made for n3DS and still has framerate issues. This is the same fucking console that has Kid Icarus Uprising, Monster Hunter games and Senran Kagura among other things.

So trying to cover their asses, Gamefreak are just shit.

>>26546232
This is the average knowledge of a "the models are shitty" fag. Literally >>26546254 and different textures.
I bet OP believes S/M uses different models never seen before.

>>26546886
Have you seen Monster Hunter ever? Monsters have relatively few polygons and the textures are all literally N64-tier.

>>26546886
i'm not trying to cover anything, you're the ones saying its got nothing to do with the poly counts and i posted an example of the fucking poly counts

>>26546886
>Sun and Moon is fucking made for n3DS and still has framerate issues
Well, XY/ORAS still has framerate issues on N3DS clock speeds. Makes sense for S/M to be having same problems as it runs on the 6th gen engine.

>>26546886
None of those games you mentioned have models as complex as the Pokemon Models in XYORAS and presumably SM.

>>26546452
But I liked the artwork

Soulsilver looked shitty compared to the game I played before it, FireRed, but everyone loved it anyway.

Interestingly enough it looks better on 3DS XL than Black does, though the latter looked great on the DSi since it was enhanced for it.

>>26547001
I'm pretty sure the only thing Black did differently on the DSi was that it used the camera in some capacity.

>>26546997
I do too, but not in game. They look like they were designed to be used in some strategy guide.

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>Nintendo NX can run zeldaU


I cant wait for gen 8 on NX

>>26547029
I hate the hybrid console meme.

>less than 60 fps
consoles were a mistake

>>26546959
We know S/M are as complex as XY/ORAS. Check the reply above.

>>26547061
>having money to spend on a pc
damn normies

>>26547087
>needing to ask your mommy to go gamestop after she buys you wendys tendies

>>26547104
>>26547087
chris-chan neetfags btfo

>>26547104
>Wendy's
Shit taste in American Cuisine™

>>26547134
What's worse, Chuck E. Cheese or Wendy's?

>>26547165
At least Chuck E. Cheese's has pizza. Every time I've gone to Wendy's it's given me the worst indigestion, and it's basically an inferior Burger King.

>>26547165
Never been to chuck e cheese but Wendy's messes up my order like 90% of the time

>>26547165
Chuck E Cheese is nasty and ghetto. At least the ones near me are. Full of blacks and spiclets.

>>26547061
>consoles
>budget, fixed hardware platform with simple/intuitive interface that is literally retard proof for 99% of users

Good idea.

>modern consoles
>not giving a fuck about the limitations of budget, fixed hardware and bleeding framerate like an arterial wound for barely noticeable nudges in graphics quality, general lack of fucks given about optimization
>creating ever more intrusive, bloated, shitty OS's to run the things with a billion performance-sapping "features" fucking nobody ever asked for while being ever more restrictive and controlling about the things people actually want
>pushing for digital distribution (because easy money) but cutting corners on hard drive space, speed, and expandability while simultaneously no longer giving a fuck about efficient compression/optimization so programs balloon to absurd sizes which all undermine the format

Bad ideas.

>>26547215
But there's no pc Pokemon games :^)

>>26547061

The 3DS technically does 60fps in 3D mode, so your argument is invalid.

>>26547001
Are you high? Fire red graphics are flat, washed out and awful in general.

>>26547016
B/W were also enhanced to work with WPA connection(only compatible with the DSi and later) unlike Gen 4 which used WEP

>>26547365
>enhanced
Just say "able." "Enhanced" is a worthless marketing buzzword in the context that you're using it.

>>26547381
Why do you get so easily triggered by this when it is objectively true?

>>26547396
Because the word doesn't fit the situation. BW were made to work with WPA connection. Being "enhanced" would imply that they had been updated to work with WPA connection somewhere down the line.

>>26547400

I don't think you know what you're talking about.

The game's capabilities are enhanced when it is played on a a DSi or later. It's kinda like a power-up - it's an enhancement.

But, you know, whatever, keep being wrong.

>>26547215
Why mention "modern" consoles? Outside the last point it applies to every console in existence. The so called "best game of all time" looked like shit for its year and run at 15 fps.

Hey guys, remember gameplay? That thing that makes games enjoyable and fun? Hoo boy, I love me some gameplay.

>>26547046
>autism

>>26547682
>The so called "best game of all time" looked like shit for its year and run at 15 fps.
You should probably name names, anon.

Anyway, the other anon is still right. The modern videogame industry has sacrificed graphical optimization and file size simply because modern tech lets them and the vast majority of games don't care if the game can't hit a stable 20fps, much less a rock solid 60. This has been true for years before the modern console boom.

It's also beyond all argument that the more recent a console is, the more expansive and less game focused its UI is. They've gone from being perfunctory places to check memory cards, to full fledged desktops with accounts and all sorts of other media center add-ons that have nothing to do with the actual running of a game itself. This goes for handhelds as well, nowadays.

Though anon didn't mention it, price is about the same, if not better when adjusted for inflation. Older games used to be priced higher, something like $90 for each N64 game. (That's just in Burgerland, though.)

>>26547736
Gameplay?

You pick 4 moves and do rock paper scissors 6 times. Pokemon's gameplay is one of the stalest in the RPG industry, not sure why you would even bring it up.

20 years and you can still only use 4 moves along with the graphics of a PS1 game while still managaing to have framerate drops. Gamefreak is amazing.

God if only Pokemon was on PC.

They're pretty much the same except most of the XY models have more fluid versions of the animations and the colors are meant to emulate the official art and not look like cheap plastic toys.

>>26546688
>low poly
>ps1
You literally doesn't know what either of those words mean.

>>26546653
You caught me. They look worse.

>>26546254
They are different models tho. Aerodactyl moves and attacks just like his Pokemon Stadium conter part. A lot of them are upgraded Stadium models.

>>26546433
Why is Charmander the color of human flesh instead of orange? People defend this?

>>26549372
Because it is in line with the official game art, not the fucking 20 minute weekly glorified ad that is the abortion of the Pokemon anime.

>>26546254
They aren't several pokemon have different proportions and such specifically Haxorus.

>>26547885

The "15 fps" game is Ocarina of Time.

>>26546452
We don't know if everyone will have models yet or if they'll still use 2D art for NPCs. It's likely they will just use models, but also possible to not be the case. People are jumping the gun on the circles too because there are several arenas in XY and ORAS with no circles but plenty of others that did.

>>26549425
Actually 20fps, but yeah 15fps is accurate for PAL regions.

>>26549447
That's why I put it in quotes.

>>26547215
>cutting corners on hard drive space,
T H I S

>Bayonetta doesnt exist as a physical disc apparently so I had to download it
>its a 12g file
Oh thats nothing, I can dow--
>wiiU has a 16g harddrive

Oh guess I literally cant download anything, ever.

>>26549532
You gotta get an SD card or eternal hard drive to plug in through the USB.
Word of advice, be careful of the external you get, some require more power than the Wii U can give them via USB.
I honestly done even.

>>26549532

>Wii U
>hard drive

>>26549384
The anime needs the games' palette and the games need the anime's palette.

>>26549370
>>26549402
This

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>>26549370

They're the fucking same model

>>26546685
Kalos is gonna look really nice once 3DS emulation gets decent and we can run the games at a decent resolution

The

>>26546232

They're literally the same fucking models.

>>26549532
Bayonetta definitely does exist physically and the game came with both 2 and 1 in the same case.

>>26546886
few things faggot
nixe source on Pokemon SM being made for n3DS
the monsters in MH are low poly shit with decent textures compared to Pokemon
Kid Icarus is a RAIL SHOOTER hence the reason it looks better than every single other 3DS game ever (also made by sakurai who's a god with the hardware)
And lastly The n3DS doesnt automatically fix framerate issues on games unless the gsme was designed for it (Hyrule Warriors is the only example) the only thing they fix is loading times

>>26547177
>Wendys
>worse than Burger King

in what fucking planet? Or are you a neet that eats exclusively chicken tendies or ice cream?

>>26549937
>came with both 2 and 1 in the same case.
lol only the release editions did.

>>26546433
The Sugimori art looks better though.