What is the most atmospheric portion of a Pokemon game and why

That music never fails to get me hype every time.
https://youtu.be/XqBaDX33Eew

I'm not enjoying this wave of sinnohfetuses lately.

The very tiny road from Ecruteak to Tin Tower.
The place right after Victory Road but before you enter the Pokémon League castle in Sinnoh.
Route 10 in Unova.
Undella Town when it's not Summer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVWI9oQDI3w

>>26526653

This isn't your personal blog, autist.

>>26526380
Mt. Coronet is a interesting place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8cLW0Lckhc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2CxFjGc1sI


Gen 4 had many piano themes

>>26528323
Dat magic feeling when you hear this while walking in the white and soft snow.

>>26528352
Love gen 4 music, a lot of relaxing and comfy themes.

Ahh yes comfy gen for btw my fave is gen 3 but I love the music of gen 4 especially this one http://youtu.be/2nlOm6-zhgs

>>26529422
True

>people now unironically like and defend Sinnoh
>Sinnohfetuses are now over 18 years old

>>26528396
>dat
>comfy

Can you try not speaking in buzzwords all the time?

>>26526653
Well I don't enjoy the infestation of Unovabortions, but I don't cry about it every time I see a thread about Gen V.

>>26530651
You don't tell what to say faggot.

>>26530651
Dat is cancer, but comfy is fine tbqh famalam.

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>>26528323
>nothing will ever beat Gen IV's music
Feels good man.

>>26530686

Nice grammar, underage.

>>26530714
Grammar nazi detected.

>>26530714
Underage isn't a noun, buddy :^)

>>26530708
Except 1, 2, 3, 5, 6 and the upcoming 7.

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>>26530783

>>26526653
>>26530632
>anyone who likes sinnoh is a sinnohfetus
Lol no.

>>26526653
>>26530632

Kantokid here. Gen 4, more specifically Platinum, was pretty much the high point of the series. It wasn't perfect, but it got more right at the same time than any other game ever did.

>>26530910
I'm a Kantokid and I think it's the absolute worst region next to Kanto itself.

>>26526380
DUDE MONTAIN MAZE LMAO

>>26530990
>implying it was the only region with mountain mazes

>kanto
>jhoto
>almia
>fiorre
>even fucking oblivia
>unova
>kalos
wew lad

>>26530910
Platinum didn't even come close to the high point. It added some neat features but it could only do so much with Gen 4's terribly flawed region, bland towns, boring characters and forgettable plot.

I can't believe faggots are now suddenly pretending DPPt as a whole was anything more than just decent at best and outright bad at worst.

>>26531027
Not him, but none of those regions did the mountain maze thing to anywhere nearly the same degree that Shitnoh did.

>>26530863
>>26530910
I like how the most common defense is "nuh uh!". Anyway if you're going to deny the glaring flaws in gen 4 and the terrible direction they took the series it doesn't matter when you joined the series, you're still a Sinnohfetus and no amount of words will change that.

I mean the other groups don't deny the worst parts of their game yet you lot do nothing but pass shit off as a " challenge" when it's just tediois as fuck.

>>26531085
nice burden of proof you got there
sinnoh only has three mountain mazes

kanto has three different mountain mazes

almia has over 5, fiorre almost six, oblivia has 3-4

unova has two, kalos has a huge one in their pokemon league

>>26531067
>>26531095
A lot of people in /vp/ threads and polls agree that Platinum is one of the best games of the franchise alongside B2W2 and HG/SS

>>26531124
To be fair Sinnoh makes you go through the same one multiple times and that was about three or four on its own.
Then there's Victory Road, Stark, that one under cycling road, iron island. Turmback cave, the distortion world, Oreburgh? Mine
So that's like 9 not counting the multiple times you pass through coronet.

>>26531124
>sinnoh only has three mountain mazes

One of which took up like half the fucking map and forced you to revisit it several times just to navigate through the overworld.

Sinnoh is literally Caves: The Region.

>>26531067
There is no Pokemon game with good characters.
The region is GOAT.
The towns are pretty great.
The plot is probably as good as Pokemon gets, on par with the "smaller" ones from the first couple of gens.

>>26531147
>threads
Most people don't rate platinum that high because it still contained problems from DP as well as new ones like the Battle Frontier not being the same as the emerald one. There was a lot of disappointment surrounding that when it was revealed.

>>26531147
Back when I browsed this shitty board regularly most people agreed that the best games were B2W2 and HGSS. Nobody gave a flying fuck about Platinum because as solid as it was, it was ultimately just second fiddle to those games.

>>26526380
>>26526690
>>26529422
All very good. My personal favorite would have to come from Sinnoh route 10.

http://youtu.be/c8UkrNo4k2s

>>26531235
Platinum has been hailed for years now.

>>26531214
>thinking DP's plot was good
Not only was it a rehash of Gen 3's right to the point where the team's climax occurs but it jumped the shark and introduced literal gods to the story capable of rewriting the universe. Can you honestly say that's a place pokemon should have gone?
Even if the answer from you is yes they should have left it for the final game.

>>26530910
Fuck off the only good part of gen IV was the gen II remakes.

>>26530910
Good thing which games you end up finding to be the best is not an objective thing at all. I started with Gen 1 as well and Gen 4 was the point when I almost dropped the series. Everything seemed like a retread of Gen 3 and the series had never felt staler. Gen 5 was a godsend and revitalized my interest in the franchise.

>>26531249
Its been about just over a year now anon.
Before that people said something along the lines of "yeah its alright"

>>26531095
>if you're going to deny the glaring flaws in gen 4

>>26530910
>It wasn't perfect

Literacy is underrated, anon.

>>26531249
No, it was previously regarded as a solid third entry that ultimately failed to fix all of DP's problems because those problems were so inherent to the region. People thought it was good, but absolutely nobody hailed it as a GOAT game until recently.

>>26531067
Greatest Champion
Greatest Elite 4 teams
Greatest Gym Leader teams tied with Emerald

Platinum did best in what actually mattered.

>>26531261
There never will be a "planned" final game. The series will die one day but they sure as shit won't be sure when. It had been going for ten years by that point, that's easily enough time.

>>26531291
No, you're rewriting history.

It always gets me when people start trying to establish Sinnoh as a "comfy" region when it was really exactly the opposite.

>>26531235
Yeah, honestly the pecking order is:

HGSS > B2W2 > Platinum > BW

>>26531289
Question, what were those flaws?
This one usually trips sinnohfetuses up.

>>26531318
No, you're just a newfag.

>>26531248
Love it.

>>26531318
Yeah no, Platinum was the "it's okay" region up until a year ago.

>>26531346
It had the most extreme. rugged terrain which made the cities extra comfy by comparison.

Gen IV still barely edges out over V because of the godly Johto remakes.

>>26531302
>It had been going for ten years by that point, that's easily enough time.
That's not an excuse to make such a plot anon.
Also how does the fact that pokemon will never have a planned final game affect my point that such a story should have been saved for an final story?

>>26531373
So in other words the region was so tedious that you sinnohfetuses grasp to any moment you aren't putting up with it.

>>26531353

Questionable pokemon distribution, the pacing stutters between gyms 6 and 8, either Maylene or Crasher Wake will be EZ, Barry isn't quite involved enough, and Cyrus was kind of a fag.

Gen IV introduced the physical/special split

That alone makes it better than any of the games before it

>>26531369
Not him, but I don't know what's going on right now. I've been lurking /vp/ for 3+ years, almost 4, and Platinum's Sinnoh has always been regarded as one of the best regions. Not a "it's okay", but rather a "here's my list of favorite Pokémon things and Sinnoh is either my #1 or #2 region".
Maybe it's our vision that's twisted, or yours, or maybe we all have our perceptions altered by our own bias. Maybe you'll say something like "/vp/ totally thinks Iris is the best champion, always been like that!"

>>26531415
Eh you missed quite a bit.

Who gives a shit about what people thought about it back then? Right now it's thought as good.

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>>26531349
>HGSS
>better than Platinum or BW2
HGSS is just all the flaws of gen 2 pasted into gen 4's sloth-tier engine.

>>26531400
Because they will never know when the "final story" will come unless they make an early conscious decision to end the series. It can't be "saved" for a time if they have no definitive way of telling when that time has come.

>>26531423
>I've been lurking /vp/ for 3+ years, almost 4, and Platinum's Sinnoh has always been regarded as one of the best regions.
Good for you but no one is going to buy your revisionist history regardless of how many years you stack on.

>>26531353
Scarce fire types.
Slow battle intros I guess, since you guys seem to linger on that point more than any other.

>>26531427
You don't understand this site at all. Past posts that haven't been seen by anyone except the person using them to back up their argument are always right and anything "new" is the cancer killing the site.

>>26531427
who controls the past controls the futuer :)

>>26531431
All that means is that the story shouldn't have been used at all in this series you idiot.

>>26531424
It's quite possible he disagrees with whatever points you claim he "missed".

>>26531441
He's right though, the revisionist here is you.

>>26531460
Well it clearly didn't have that much of a negative impact on the future of the series since this board is a giant Gen V circlejerk.

Sinnoh and Platinum have always been this high regarded, you faggots. The only thing that's happening, and this is not only repeated history but was also predicted years ago, is that we're close to Remake time so everyone blames it on Sinnohfetuses wanting a remake (remember Hoennbabies? Hoenn totally sucks, actually! it's just those Hoennbabies) instead of, you know, people thinking the game kicked ass, now in mid 2016 and back in the early 2010s.

It's like the summerfags situation.

>>26531460
Why does it matter where they introduce gods or not? It's literally not made any notable difference in the series.

>>26531476
No shit, gen 5 went back to some normalcy regarding the plot. It was certainly more detailed but not over the top like the previous game.

>>26531480
>> It's literally not made any notable difference in the series.


Lies, it made for a kickass finale in super mystery dungeon.

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My pick would be this, it felt completely different from anything prior to it in the series.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz6_KXQHZ_0

>>26531490
The implication in saying that gen 4's plot should have been saved for the last game in the series is that it would overshadow subsequent games in terms of scale. This didn't happen, despite the return to "normalcy" (dude a castle just came out of the fucking ground lmao). The point is dead, and Gen IV's plot was fine.

>>26531476
Gen V is the greatest generation of all time so things are exactly as they should be to be honest.

>>26531533
That doesn't really pertain to my post tbqh famalam.

>>26531478
See the difference between the hoennbabbies and the sinnohfetuses is that the former tends to be more annoying from their blatant revisionist history to the fact that they deny the things that made gen 4 bad such as the removed features and mechanics to under utilized features and mechanics and outright bad choices.

>>26531423
>>26531478
I've been here since 2010 and Platinum was never regarded as highly as Gen 5 was. Even the people who really really liked it were mostly able to concede that Gen 4 was 2nd to Gen 5.

This is coming from someone who LIKED Platinum.

>>26531564
I can't say I've seen an epidemic of Hoennbabbies defending Gen IV myself, but if you say so.

>>26531564
>> removed features

To this day no games have had a proper day/night cycle like GSC and HGSS. Also taking away following pokemon after HGSS was cruel.

>>26531583
My bad there I'm kind of half paying attention to what I'm posting because I'm also catching up on Heroes while posting from a tablet. Change that former to a latter.

>>26531586
The reason for that is because I'm real time that's just a tedious feature. Speaking of HGSS of didn't bring back the sleeping Pokémon thing which was a neat touch.

>>26531623
But they've had day/night cycles in other games, just half-baked compared to the original. All of the inconvenience with none of the flavor.

>>26531643
What exactly is inconvenience and flavor to you?

>>26531586
I'm pretty sure DPPT had proper day/night cycles.

>>26531664
Incovenience:
Having to play at a certain time to be able to do something.
Flavor: Aesthetic changes in the routes, change of sound, influencing evolutions, policemen being suspicious and fighting you if they see you at night, etc.

>>26531694
Except for the policemen all of that has been retained in every game bar gen 3 due to its rehaul.
Also your inconvenience isn't really attached to anything important outside of gen 2 and 4.

>>26531623
>The reason for that is because I'm real time that's just a tedious feature
What? No it's not tedious.

It's because properly adding Morning/Day/Night requires effort and Game Freak knows it can get away with the bare minimum these days.

>>26531737
It's extremely easy to do something like that anon. Like, really easy.

>>26531749
Really depends on how they architect the game's engine. It could be easy peasy or an undoable nightmare.

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>>26531749
Will you show me?

Kanto: The top of Pokemon Tower
Johto: Arriving in Goldenrod City
Hoenn: Resurfacing after awakening Groudon/Kyogre
Sinnoh: Distortion World
Unova: Any of the bridges or the view from the boat
Kalos: Uh

>>26531803
If I weren't on a tablet.

>>26531787
Are you seriously trying to say that Pokémon is complex?

>>26531825
Yes. Any game that's more complex than a pong-esque toy is a complex piece of software with thousands of lines of code. Even if the gameplay is simple I assure you the code is not.

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>>26526380
how could you all forget the single best moment in any pokemon game?

and how could you forget that hype as fuck fanfare?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d6bbdC5wOU

>>26531749
Yes, and Gamefreak cut it. That's the point.

>>26531870
That's not even the best moment in that game.

>>26531623
>the sleeping Pokémon thing
wait what?

>>26531870
Because vs Red is that moment times 100 and there's already a thread just for that moment.

But yeah it was a pretty hype moment returning to Kanto even if the routes leading to the league aren't really Kanto the map's expansion was such a fucking great tease of what was to come.

>>26531912
Headbutt trees at night and sleeping wild pokemon appear.

>>26531940
Oh right I completely forgot about that, it's true and a real nice touch.

It wasn't brought back in HGSS? Now that I think baout it headbutting trees somehow seemed less important in the remakes than in the originals.

>>26531912
>>26531940
Also, headbutt them during the day and you can find sleeping Hoothoot, IIRC.

>>26531962
Oh god I'm remembering.
The summer of 2001.
I spent all of august playing gold headbutting every tree in Johto because of some internet rumor than you could find Celebi in one tree but it varied between saves.

>>26531871
Not because it was hard but because it wasn't beneficial to the game. That's the point here anon.

>>26531853
You are aware what age we're living in and how !such resources they have right? In fact they've been using a large part of the same code since gen 3. Anyway we're talking about that specific line of code, if they wanted they could have done slight alterations to it and kept it in subsequent games after gen 4.

>>26531997
>Not because it was hard but because it wasn't beneficial to the game. That's the point here anon.
What? How was it not? It was fun. It was cut in place of Seasonal pokemon which were barely used, and then any time pokemon were cut completely in gen 6.

Or is this a "battle frontier was OK to cut because beneficial" sort of situation?

>>26531997
Beyond the battle logic I find it highly doubtful much code has been reused between gen V and gen VI. The graphics and hence the whole scene and save system had to be rehauled.

>>26532020
Of course not the BF was actual content. Day and night was always just a time wall for most things.
Except the sleeping pokemon thing. That added some soul to the game.

>>26532108
>Day and night was always just a time wall for most things.
It was fun and added flavor to the game.

>>26532127
Not really, it was cutting things off for no reason with barely any real day or night differences.

>>26531430
>Not loving the fact that Pokémon fucking follow you
>Not loving 16 Badges
>Not loving Gen 2 Pokémon

>>26532240
>>Not loving 16 Badges

B-but adding Kanto was pointless, one region is fine!

>>26532240
>following Pokémon
I don't get why people are so attached to this feature, all it did was removed the ability to put a real personality to your Pokémon.

>>26532309
>>all it did was removed the ability to put a real personality to your Pokémon.

Autism

>>26532335
What?

>>26532376
Pokemon don't have personalities. That walking pokemon prevented you from projecting your made up personalities onto them is worrying.

>>26531085
>>26531124
>>26531198
Did you guys actually play through Sinnoh? Mt coronet takes 5 seconds the first few times and 30 minutes max to get to spear pillar. Even Mt Moon feels bigger.

>>26531870
Greatest Pokemon theme of all time tbqh.

>>26532403
>Pokemon don't have personalities.
You have read the summary pages right?
Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that it impedes on what people like to do. That being role play.

>>26532491
>You have read the summary pages right?
Yes, those already had ruined everything.

>>26531095
>Implying were worse then unovabortions

We may like to pretend our game dosent have as many flaws as it really does, but we at least except that it has some. Magmortar is ugly as sin, team galactic was complete trash, and it was slow as fuck but the music was God tier and anyone saying otherwise is lying to themselves.

>>26532403
>"I don't get why people are so attached to this feature"
>hurr why are you projecting your personalities onto them

Learn to fucking read and stop derailing threads with your shitty comprehension.

>>26532471
>30 minutes max to get to spear pillar.
That's a ridiculous amount of time for a cave.
Also you're forgetting the other 8 caves.
Face it anon Sinnoh is to caves what Hoenn was to water.

>>26532527
>team galactic was complete trash
Not when the first Skuntank and Purugly battles exist.

>>26531248
This was good. So upbeat and in your face.

>>26532527
Galactic was just average. There have been worse teams.

>>26532527
Are you trying to say that Unovabortions don't accept the flaws of their game when the linearity is the thing that they usually come to terms with in their threads?
Also gen 4s music sucked hard and failed to capture that sense of adventure like the rest.

>>26532653
>failed to capture that sense of adventure like the rest.
lol

>>26532703
Yes?
Sinnoh had some boring music for the game it was in. Usually the music is the saving grace but gen 4 didn't even have that.

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>>26532726
Stop it right there, you're trying to turn this into a POKÉMON MUSIC THREAD aren't you?

>>26532828
Pretty sure some people did that ealier on.
Didn't open the links but what else could it be?

>>26532533
>Iron Island
>Stark Mountain
Optional.

>the one under the cycling road
Optional and well hidden.

>Turnback Cave
Optional, unless you count being in front of it after the Giratina stuff.

I'm not saying they don't count, I'm just saying it doesn't feel like that. You only remember there being a lot of caves just because Mt. Coronet is in the middle of the region and its layout isn't a dumb circle like BW Unova was.

>>26532847
Not him but the layout wasn't a circle but it was most certainly dumb.

>>26532902
Oh and traversing coronet a much as you would multiple caves in previous and future games is bad.

>>26532902
It would have been if the part of Mt. Coronet it required you to do multiple times was bigger and more complex. But it's not. There's nothing wrong with it. And no, this doesn't mean I'm saying Sinnoh doesn't have problems, just that this complaint doesn't actually make sense.

>>26532920
If anything you visit it as much as you visit any gate. It isn't comparable to Hoenn's water.

>>26532533
>ridiculous amount of time for a cave
not at all when you take the galactic grunts into consideration. every cave in kanto takes longer minus diglett's.

>>26532471
>>26532847


I just finished replaying Platinum not long ago.

Your argument is fallacious because you're only looking at each time you visit Mt. Coronet independently instead of the COMBINED amount of time you spend at the cave in your total game time and your total amount of time spent travelling the region, which is fucking ridiculous.

And it IS comparable to Hoenn's water routes since about three to four of them *combined* only take about five minutes to cross if you don't include trainer encounters, except Sinnoh's caves are actually even more irritating because they sometimes require multiple HMs and the Pokemon encounter rate is a lot higher in caves in general than it is on water.

BW's "dumb circle" Unova was a million times more engaging, adventurous and diverse than anything in all of Sinnoh's bland homogeneous snow routes and cave routes combined.

>>26532471
>Mt coronet takes 5 seconds the first few times

That's one hilarious exaggeration if I ever saw one.

>>26534052
Dude. There's literally parts of the game where you enter on one side, walk through a stair, encounter Cyrus walking by, and walk out on the other side.

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>>26534228
>>26532471
This. Coronet is just a half minute long walk to the other side the first time around. Second time in the northern area you just walk upwards for 5 minutes until you're in the Snow route. Then when it's time to end Galactic's bullshit you really need to put your resources into actually traversing up the mountain and it's a reasonably hard climb which makes sense. You're finally about to scale this huge mountain loomimg over you for the better part of your journey to put down the evil villain. Then you're done with the place unless you want to spelunk around. Most other Sinnoh caves are very minor.

>Cave after Jubilife
Optional. 5 minute Surf session for a few items
>Oreburgh Gate
Short passage with easy battles. Then an optional 1 minute Surf Session for an item later on.
>Oreburgh Mines
Shouldn't even count. You just walk in and out to tell Roark to stop fucking around and do his job.
>Wayward Cave
Optional. Confusing escort mission but you'll get to fight her in the future. Plus the other entrance has one of the best pokemon to raise in the game.
>Solaceon Ruins
Optional. Literally every other Unown cave but with a neat reward for catching them all.
>Iron Island
Optional. Great place to train when you reach it. Regi location.
>Stark Mountain
Optional. Same as the rest of the Resort/Fight/Survival Area. Place full of trainers to grind on and a Galactic subplot. Not very complex plus Heatran waits at the end.

In the grand scheme of your journey in Sinnoh, all the caves are hardly much to cry about. Coronet is supposed to be tedious. Climbing mountains is often a tedious task. I'm actually disappointed the main games haven't gone full on Pokemon Ranger with the Overworld.

>>26534856
Oh, and I forgot Victory Road, the only other mandatory dungeon aside from Coronet. But if you seriously complain about Victory Road, I have no words for you.

>>26534856
I think you did a better job explaining why Coronet is a tedious cave than actually selling me on it. Spending upwards of five minutes trudging through constant Zubat encounters every time you want to reach a new zone that's gated off by Coronet like every other quarter of the region isn't fun. The way that the mountain just impedes everything right through the middle of the map isn't fun.

>Coronet is supposed to be tedious

I've heard this so many times from Sinnoh defenders that I'm starting to think it's just about the only defense you've got, and it isn't a very good one.

>>26535006
I was more arguing that Sinnoh caves in general aren't too overwhelming compared to just Coronet but I see what you're saying. Caves are unfortunately always going to be filled to the brim with the same annoying shitmons. Game Freak could have at least diversify Coronet's inhabitance more than it did considering it's amazing size but didn't. And as a result it dulled a lot of people's view on it. I looked past it and so did others allowing us to appreciate and find charm in it, but not everyone can be so forgiving.

I really can't disagree with you there. You either appreciate it despite it's bullshit or don't. Some people will respect both points of views, others won't. 'It's supposed to be X' is indeed not a good enough defense when personal opinion is taken into account. In the end I think Sinnoh is a charming, atmospheric region with a nice adventurous albeit samey landscape.

On an unrelated note, I always wished there was a Mountain Village located on one of the peaks of Coronet where an obscure settlement of people lived taking care of Spear Pillar. Maybe if something like that existed, as some form of break from the tedium, people would like Coronet more.

>>26526380
>most atmospheric
>not flying through the atmosphere in the Delta Episode
It is LITERALLY the most atmospheric.

>>26535171
>hoennbabies trying to force their region again

save it buddy, Johto is superior

>>26535183
Johto and Sinnoh are the best regions.

>>26526653
As a Hoem babby I can say that Sinnoh support here is not nearly as obnoxious as the Hoenn love a couple years ago. Sinnoh is objectively a great region, so I feel like all the Sinnoh kids are reasonable.

>>26535183
>implying
>he doesn't like puns

>b-but theres a lot of mountains :((( why cant it be a meme like hoenn water :(((((
There's also a lot of lakes, snow, normal routes and more stuff. The only things Sinnoh doesn't have much of is water (it's enough though) and deserts. And guess which region had too much of it.

>>26535171
Took long enough.

>>26535311
>region that had too much desert
>not unova

>>26535311
>>26535342
They both have a single one.

Unless you count Black City and White Forest, that is.

>>26535362
Hoenn is literally just my son's dessert.

>>26531248
I spent so much fucking time on this route I swear

>>26533297
>. It isn't comparable to Hoenn's water.
You're right, its worse traversing the waters in hoenn never took 30 minutes in any game, even with the optional routes.

>>26533297
>And no, this doesn't mean I'm saying Sinnoh doesn't have problems, just that this complaint doesn't actually make sense.
Question, why do you seemingly have a problem with Hoenn's waters then?
Both have the same encounter issues and the waters arent particularly long, on top of that unlike Sinnoh you only have to traverse it once.

You can't have it both ways anon.

>>26537606
This, really.

I'll never understand why Sinnoh defenders bash Hoenn or vice versa because both of those regions are extremely similar mechanically. Either love them both, hate them both or assert that both are okay.

That being said I personally like Hoenn slightly more because I thought its towns had more personality and the encounter rate on water routes doesn't seem anywhere nearly as bad as it is in caves.

>>26531910
It's probably top 5 moments.

>>26537565
Neither does any cave in Sinnoh except maybe the big main one the one time you need to go through it.

>>26537786
You could like one better because of other stuff you know. Mechanics aren't all there is to it.

>>26537786
Because the part of Mt. Coronet that you need to do more than once is literally just a gate with random encounters. It doesn't make up half of the game. If it was a gate you wouldn't have thought about any of that.

>>26537921
>It doesn't make up half of the game.
Except traversing Coronet DOES take up half the game, unlike Hoenn though instead of doing it all at once it's broken up each time.

Also the speed of the game and the encounter rates make it unbearably annoying.

>If it was a gate you wouldn't have thought about any of that.
No shit, you do realise the biggest problem people have with the waters and caves is the random encounters and their lack of variety right?
IF they were removed then the problem would be gone and no one would complain about either.

>>26537899
You need to go through it at least three times during the main playthrough since Mt. Coronet is essentially a hub for the biomes of the region. The second time is annoying and the third time is particularly excruciating.

Most of the other caves are optional but the problem is that you'll need to go through them if you plan on accessing any of the actual content in Sinnoh, and the problem with Sinnoh's caves is that they're such a chore to traverse because of the insane encounter rate, the amount of non-challenging trainers you're forced to battle and the constant HM'ing.

So yeah, I mean TECHNICALLY you're not required to trudge through the caves on your way to the Elite Four but who breezes through a Pokemon game only to beat the main story and never touch it again? It's just a fact that caves are highly prevalent in Sinnoh to the same degree that water is prevalent in Hoenn, there's no way around that.

>>26532533
There is literally nothing wrong with caves

>>26537921
>Because the part of Mt. Coronet that you need to do more than once is literally just a gate with random encounters

Last I checked, gates didn't have constant shitmon encounters and HM requirements.

Hoenn's water routes are objectively less irritating.

>>26537959
The thing is, that part of Mt. Coronet is so short it doesn't even matter.

>>26538123
You're not very smart are you.

>>26538085
There is nothing wrong with caves in general.

There is everything wrong with Sinnoh's caves. They're just designed poorly.

>>26537959
>is the random encounters and their lack of variety right?
>lack of variety
If Hoenn gave us shit like Frillish, Mantine, Alomomola, Clauncher/Skrelp, and three or four others on top of Wailmers, Wingull, sharpedos, and Tentacool, theyd be pretty neat routes. Nothing with more than a 15% encounter rate; its the open ocean. Wheres my fucking variety?
WHY CAN YOU NOT FISH CORSOLA IN PACIFIDLOG?

>>26538205
See that's what I mean, if they either removed the encounters or added more pokemon everything would have been fine.

I'm pretty sure they could have done it with Hoenn native mon only as well like Masquerain, Seaking, Sharpedo, Seadra, hell throw some flying pokemon in there for good measure.

>>26538128
I just went through the route 208 part of the cave. 3 encounters.
Did it again, none.
Did it again, one.
Did it again, two.
Did it again, two.
Did it again, none.
Did it again, four.
Did it again, one.
Did it again, three.
Did it again, one.
Did it again, one.

And I already did it more than you actually need to.

>>26538244
Definitely on the in-land water areas, like the Weather Institute route (122?) have some Masquerain and whatnot but around Evergrande and whatnot he'd be out of place. Seadra, Seaking, etc. would totally not be though youre right.

>>26538246
Okay for one people are talking about Coronet as a whole, not just that one portion you idiot.

Two unless you have repels you're going to have about 2-5 encounters each time due to the high encounter rate
And I'll even do it myself for both Plat and Diamond in that same place

Plat
First run: Three
Second run: Two
Third run: Four

Diamond
First Run: Three
Second Run: Five
Third run: Two
Oh and you get a bonus encounter in the grass on the way to the cave.

Would you like a running, walking and cycling comparison too just to bring in the point?

Coronet is one of the worst areas ever conceived in Pokemon and it's annoyance rivals that of Hoenn's water.

>>26538246
Did you just conveniently choose the absolute shortest part of the cave that's only required on your first visit?

Go through the route 216 part and then come back and talk to me.

>>26526380
I'd agree purely because of the music

>>26538386
Of course he did, that's how Sinnohfetuses work.

>>26538383
I did it in Platinum.

>Would you like a running, walking and cycling comparison too just to bring in the point?
I mostly walked, with a little running here and there. I guess I should have been more careful with that, though it makes me wonder why someone who wants to do it fast wouldn't just walk since random encounters are just going to make it longer.

How many times do you need to go through these two parts anyway?

>>26532847
>and its layout isn't a dumb circle like BW Unova was

I swear you insufferable Sinnohfetuses are literally the only people who shit on Unova to the degree that you'll bring it up out of literally nowhere due to your massive insecurities over the fact that most people almost unanimously accept that Unova is a better region.

This shit is hilarious, you've actually managed to become even worse than Hoennbabbies. I respect them more than I respect you at this point and I've been ridiculing them for years.

Can't wait for the hot new "SINNOH CONFURMED" meme.

>>26538562
LOL

>>26538562
>Can't wait for the hot new "SINNOH CONFURMED" meme.
That's still a long ways off but they do have
>IT'S A CHALLENGE!

>>26526380
Well you're certainly high up in the atmosphere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVEDEeK0Tv8

I think you're all forgetting the best track

>>26538562
I'm what you're calling "sinnohfetus" and I don't care about remakes that much (a new game set in a bigger and different Sinnoh would be better, same goes for ORAS). And I'm definitely isn't that dumb to want it as soon as possible, on the current generation console instead of the next one.
And even then it would probably be better if they just did a new region in the Hoenn/Sinnoh stuff but with less HM stuff.
It would bother me if they didn't make Diamond and Pearl remakes at this point, but that's just because I'm autistic about patterns.

>>26531513
FUCKING THIS.

ALSO THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTZk0DptKSw

Mt. Coronet is a nice place