So what's gonna happen after the zodiac is finished? They're

>Charmander
>Dragon
>Cyndaquil
>Mouse
>Fennekin
>Dog

>>26342861
>pokemon
>animals

>>26342907
>what is Charizard

>the Fire Mouse Pokemon
>not a mouse

>Dogs and foxes are both canines, so it fits

>>26342907
Charmander can be interpreted as a baby dragon.

I'll give you Cyndaquil and Fennekin, but that's still 5/7 starters that fit the pattern, which could mean that they've been looking at the zodiac for inspiration when designing the starters rather than strictly following it or not caring about it.

>>26343002
Charmander is named after a lizard and its species is lizard. Only 2/7 fit the pattern when you're consistent with "evidence". It's not a legitimate pattern.

>>26342907
This is bait. Don't reply to it.

>gen 12

ugh

>>26342947
>>what is Charizard
Not a starter
>>26342947
>>the Fire Mouse Pokemon
>>not a mouse
Which is cool and all, but the mouse isn't part of the zodiac

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>>26342861
>posting the wrong one
Stop being a fag.

>>26343063
top kek

>>26343041
>implying salamanders are lizards
>implying basic starters aren't meant to be baby forms of the final evos

also
>Tepig
>Chimchar
>Torchic
>Litten

>>26343062
>Charizard is not part of a starter line
Holy shit, anti-zodiacfags are retarded.
>the mouse isn't part of the zodiac
Mouses are basically rats, so it fits.

>>26342861
Horse will be interesting to not draw parallels with ponyta.

Hope the snake becomes a Cobra

>>26343114
>Charizard is not part of a starter line
>The Zodiac theory needs Charizard to be in his final stage to work
>Typhlosion is a badger

>>26342861
They could make the next starter a rhino and you people would try to stick it on the Ox category.

>>26343160
Charmander is basically a baby dragon, why can't you accept simple facts like that?

>>26343114
Charizard is not on the list
and if he was then you'd have to put Typhlosion who is a Badger

>>26343125

Eh, we already have Arbok.

Rather have a rattlesnake seeing they live in hot environments and the rattle can be a flame.

>>26343171
>Lizard pokemon

>>26343183
Given that Typhlosion evolves from a mouse pokemon, it's pretty obvious that Typhlosion is not a badger.

>>26343184
>Rather have a rattlesnake
Ew, we already have Ekans

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>>26343200

>>26343200
Given that Octillery evolves from a fish pokemon, it's pretty obvious that Octillery is not an octopus.

>>26343200
>Charmander
>Lizard Pokemon

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>>26343217

Ekans doesn't rattle or have the proper face or fang structure.

>>26343294
Dragons are lizards.

>>26343333
but lizards aren't dragons

>>26343062
It's not a mouse, it's a porcupine.

>>26343360
So? A baby dragon is a baby dragon.

>>26343389
But charmander is a lizard

>>26343333
Dragons don't exist

>>26343411
And dragons are lizards.

>>26343426
but lizards aren't dragons

>>26343440
But dragons are lizards, and Charmander is a baby dragon.

>>26342861
>implying they will be again 5 other gens.

>>26343472
But charmander is the lizard pokemon not the baby dragon pokemon and lizards aren't dragons

>>26343495
Lizards can be dragons too though. And Charmander is a lizard that's a dragon.

Not all lizards are dragons, but all dragons are lizards.

I don't know about you, but I absolutely cannot wait for the sheep starter. Who cares if it's actually a cow, both bovidae, it counts.

>Litten
>Fire Cat Pokemon
>Cats
>Zodiac

>>26343520
Charmander isn't a dragon, it's not a baby dragon, it's not meant to represent a baby dragon any more than Remoraid is meant to represent a baby octopus.

>>26343544
And yet Charmander is a lizard that's also a dragon, which is evident since it evolves into a dragon. You just can't handle the facts.

>>26342947
>Charmander counts because its final evolution is a dragon sorta.

>Cyndaquil counts despite its final evolution being a honey badger/wolverine and only its first evo being a "mouse" not really and not a rat.

Hypocrisy!

>>26343527
But a cow would be the ox, since they're the same species.

>>26343561
Typhlosion is a rat though.

>>26343557
By that logic, Remoraid is an octopus

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>>26343586

>>26343520
So if Charizard is a dragon that makes Charmander a baby dragon not a lizard despite it's species name
So if Typhlosion is a badger then cyndaquil is a baby badger and not a mouse despite it species name

>>26343587
On a strict technicality, it's a baby octopus in the Pokemon universe since it evolves into Octillery.

>>26343587
Remoraid and Octillery are both guns you retard

and you can't compare something that evolves in a basic way (Charmander) to one of the weirdest evolutions in the franchise

you're just as retarded as the "foxes are dogs" Zodiacfags

>>26343604
Wrong, Typhlosion is not a badger, as has been proven by the zodiac master race numerous times.

How many times do I need to explain this?


Charizard is a dragon; Cyndaquil for some reason is called a mouse. It's only a coincidence that the these two fight into the pattern, because there's no way Gamefreak would have the hindsight to know they would still be making Pokemon 20 years later.


The intentional pattern begins at Gen 3

>>26343114
>mouses

I don't get zodiacfags, they cherry pick evolutions and ignore the pokedex for some pokemon and use it as evidence for others. Charizard is the dragon while Fennekin is the dog doesn't make sense because Charizard is a final evo and Fennekin is the first stage, and Charmander is not a dragon. I only see 2 pokemon that fit into the zodiac theory out of 7, and I thought cats aren't allowed to be included in the zodiac.

>>26343643
>It's only a coincidence
Sure, seven fire starters fitting the Zodiac like a glove is only a coincidence.

>>26343637
by proven do you mean people who have never seen either a rat or a badger?

>>26343654
I'm noy denying it. At this point, denying it would be pretty silly, since Litten being a tiger pretty much confirmed the pattern

What I said was that I don't think Gamefreak really planned it until Gen 3

>>26343670
You're the one denying that the pokedex calls Cyndaquil a fire mouse. Typhlosion being a mouse/rat is more credible than Typhlosion being a badger.

>>26343654
>implying lizards are dragons
>implying mice are rats
>implying chickens are roosters
>implying foxes are dogs
>zodiac
>cats
OKAY

>>26343654
>like a glove
>a lizard is a dragon because it'll eventually evolve into a dragon looking fire/flying type
>Echidna being a rat because it's the "mouse" pokemon
>a fox being a dog because they're canids
>a cat is a tiger because tigers are just big cats

>>26343654
Litten is a cat
Cats specifically are not part of the Zodiac

>>26343724
Tigers are still cats. It fits.

>>26343654
>Like a glove
>Most of them don't fit without major mental gymnastics

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>>26342861
I want a fucking fire bunny NOW.

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>>26343701
I know right?
Look at this thig it's clearly a rat
it's like everyone else is stupid except for us perfect zodiacbros!

>>26343731
If tigers are cats, and cats can't be a part of the zodiac, does that mean the zodiac is bullshit?

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>>26343710
>>implying foxes are dogs

1. Foxes are Canines.


2. Foxes in mythology are crafty, wise, tricky -- which is perfect for a Psychic type.

3. Gamefreak is a creative design company. Choosing one canine over another canine was part of an artistic choice.

>>26343724
Litten is a tiger's cub. notice the stripes on the head.

>>26343740
Which ones? All I can think of are two out of 7

If litten doesn't evolve into a tiger does that debunk the zodiac?

>>26343753
Who cares, Litten represents the tiger part of the zodiac, and that's final.

>>26342861
Foxes are not dogs, you mongoloids.

>>26343731
a crow is a bird but not all birds are crows dude

>>26343762
What else would it evolve into?


A bear? A fish?

>>26343762
it would but they'd still try and defend it

>>26343785
A black jaguar
what now?

Why do autists sperg out against this so much? There's literally no way to refute it.

Rodents include rats, shrews, and porcupines
Canidea include dogs and foxes

Cyndaquil and Fennekin are the only two that don't fit 100%, but they fit well enough.

>>26343826
>Rodents include rats, shrews, and porcupines
but not badgers

>>26343761
Lizards aren't dragons (and Charizard isn't actually a dragon if you count that)
Mice aren't rats (and Typhlosion is neither if you're counting Charizard)
Foxes aren't dogs
Cats aren't tigers

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>>26343761
All dogs are canines but not all canines are dogs
Also litten only has a few leg stripes and forehead stripes that form the symbol for sulfur when taking the eyes into account. Besides, it looks like that tiger cub has way more stripes than litten

>>26343826
>There's literally no way to refute it.
>two that don't fit 100%.

>>26343823

But jaguars don't have stripes.

>>26343062
>Charizard is not a starter

>>26343843
the fact that you honestly don't think Charizard is a dragon, leaves the rest of your post moot. Not even going to read the rest.

>>26343848
If Gamefreak had chosen a fire-bird or whatever for the Gen 6 starter, then I would be denying the zodiac

but, the fact that Gamefreak chose another canine is proof enough.

Once again, the fact that the new starter is a feline is proof once again. You just look silly denying it.

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>>26343063
>still going with the wrong one

>>26343860
amuse me
what if he evolves, looses his stripes and have red spots on him instead
what then?

>>26343898
>>26343063
Gen 8 starter will be a rabbit, and Gen 9 will be a snake, and you will still be denying it

Stay mad.

>>26343840
Mustelids and rodents closely related though, and apparently evolved along side each other.

They're similar enough that they fit within the model. It will take a completely different animal to refute it. Game Freak makes a fire rhino or something and the zodiac is dead.

>>26343898
>STILL thinking chespin isn't the pig
It's a hedgeHOG

>>26343520
So, you're a literal ape?

>>26343873
Which games lets you pick Charizard as a starter pokemon

>>26343898
That image actually solidifies the fire pattern point

It proves you can´t just take 7 random animals and make it fit

The fire pattern fits too much to be a coincidence

>>26343952
Red
Blue
Fire Red
Leaf Green

>>26343860
And Litten doesn't have enough stripes to be a tiger, if Litten evolves into any sort of big cat it'd be a panther or a puma. Probably a panther since those are commonly portrayed as BLACK and I don't know about you, but I've never seen a black tiger

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>>26343898
>this one is a bit of a stretch

>>26343934
you just made
>>26343063
>>26343898
prove that you guys need to stretch to reach your goals
If it's not the same animal it's not the right animal

>>26343934
>Charmander
>It's a lizard, Dragons are lizards so close enough
>Cyndaquil
>Mouses are kind of like rats so it's close enough
>Torchic, Chimchar, Tepig
>Kind of a stretch
>Litten
>It's a cat and cat's aren't part of the Zodiac, but I'm autistic so I'll ignore that

>>26343976
It's the first evolution; we have yet to see it's final evolution.

>d I don't know about you, but I've never seen a black tiger

It's a game about elemental monsters fitting inside pockets.

Quit denying the obvious.

>>26343969
Those games let you pick charmander

>>26343969
I believe you start with Charmander in those games

>>26343969
Ah yes, how could I forget, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charizard

>It's a "all pokemon need to be real animals" thread.

>>26343998
Charizard is a dragon
Cyndaquil is the "Fire Mouse Pokemon"
Torchic, Chimchar and Tepig are perfect fits
Fennekin is a stretch but then again in Chinese the old pictograms for dog and fox are the same
Litten will evolve into a tiger (look at its forehead, it has the tiger symbol on it)

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ZODIAC FAGS BTFO

When has Pokemon EVER done ANY kind of pattern?

seriously....

Gamefreak doing patterns? That's just silly!!!!!

>>26344088
>Uses only the third stage to make Charmander fit
>Disregards the second and third stage to make Cyndaquil fit
>Pure speculation for Litten

LIKE A GLOVE

>>26344014
>torchic is an orange chicken
>turtwig is a green turtle
>snivy is a green snake
>herdier is literally my mom's dog

>>26342947
>blastoise
>shellfish pokemon
>actually a tortoise
???

>>26344088
>Charizard is a dragon
But Charizard isn't a dragon and he isn't a starter
>Cyndaquil is the "Fire Mouse Pokemon"
Yes, mouse, mouse=/=rat
>>26344088
>Fennekin is a stretch but then again in Chinese the old pictograms for dog and fox are the same
Foxes=/=Dogs
>Litten will evolve into a tiger (look at its forehead, it has the tiger symbol on it)
But Litten itself is cat

Why is that the Zodiac theory only works if Charizard replaces Charmander

>>26344119
I don't understand what you're trying to imply.

Try attempting to argue something without greentext next time

>>26344129
Mistranslation

The correct translation should be Shell Pokemon

>they don't get that pokemon evolution can work like real evolution

Charmander,a salamander, which is an amphibian, evolves into charmeleon, a chamelon which is a reptile

Cyndaquil is a small simple mammal, like the mouse like animals that arose just after the dinosaurs, then it becomes a large fiercer badger like mammal

>>26344088
by having all the starters in there basic form except charizard shows there's no pattern
also
>Litten will evolve into a tiger (look at its forehead, it has the tiger symbol on it)
c'mon now

>>26344114
That isn't a pattern
That's a tradition
It's like saying having a birthday every year is a pattern

The series will end at gen 12.

>>26344118
>Uses only the third stage to make Charmander fit
>Disregards the second and third stage to make Cyndaquil fit
Not an argument

>Pure speculation for Litten
You'll see it

>>26344130
>But Charizard isn't a dragon and he isn't a starter
Charizard is both a dragon and a starter

>Yes, mouse, mouse=/=rat
In Chinese, it's the same word

>Foxes=/=Dogs
In Chinese, it used to be the same word

>But Litten itself is cat
If it evolves into a tiger, you could say that it's a cub

>>26344130
>But Charizard isn't a dragon

What is he

>>26343976

I've never seen a red and white rooster, a monkey with white fur, or an orange pig either.

>>26344160
>by having all the starters in there basic form except charizard shows there's no pattern
Not really, considering it was the Gen 1, and back then Gen 1 was designed they never thought it could last several generations

The Fire starter pattern probably started when they released the "Happy Year of the Mouse" poster with Cyndaquil on it

>>26344146
I think he's trying to say those pokemon have colors that are associated with the animal they are based on

>>26344154
Then who's to say cyndaquill wasn't a mistranslation either?
>fennekin a fox, not dog
>charmander a lizard, not dragon
>needing to depend on evolutiona to defend these ones, when ignoring typhlosion at the same time

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I am now officially a Zodiacfag. The responses from autists in this thread have pushed me over the edge.

>>26344130
And even though Cyndaquil's category is Fire Mouse it pretty clearly isn't a mouse and its japanese name even references a porcupine.

The Cyndaquil line is base on many things, an echidna, a shrew, a stoat, a weasel, a wolverine a honey badger. But not a mouse and definitely not a rat.

>>26344183
a flying lizard

>>26344177
Actually it is an argument and its one you cannot refute.

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>>26344221
"A flying, fire-breathing lizard."

That same description could also work with mythological dragons

What a coincidence :^)

>>26343653

Why are people so stupid? One of the big themes of pokemon is evolution. Pokemon are based on multiple animals, ideas, mythical beasts, and objects. Pokemon start as one thing and become something else. All you autistic fools looking for a literal 1:1 zodiac need to kill yourselves. The zodiac is inspiration.

>>26344177
>In Chinese
But this is a Japanese series we're talking about

>>26344247
shouldn't it be dragon type then?

>>26344241
Not him, but that's literally not an argument. Charizard and Charmander. All Charizard were at one point Charmander


Why the fuck am I even arguing about a children's game to you people

>>26344254
No, we are talking about the Chinese Zodaic

>>26344208
Are you implying fennekin is a fucking dog?

>>26344267
Yes it is, you can't selectively choose whether its the first stage or the last stage that counts because then it's not a pattern. Then it's just selective hypocritical bullshit that you're using to force a pattern that doesn't exist.

>>26343561
Cyndaquil's a hedgehog, not even a mouse. Hell, not even a rodent. They just latch on to the species name of it because it's the only way their "pattern" can possibly hold on. When Gen VI came and disproved it once and for all, that should've been the end, yet somehow it's not.

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>>26344259
ctrl+f: Dragon. 34 matches

Ask Gamefreak next time you go to Japan

>>26344280
Fennekin is a fox, which is in canid, with dogs.

>>26344294
>Charizard, the flame pokemon
So with the same logic we use to make Cyndaquil a rat makes Charizard a flame.
Not a lizard
Not a dragon
A flame

>>26344289
>Yes it is, you can't selectively choose whether its the first stage or the last stage that counts because then it's not a pattern.

Yes, I can. Charizard/Charmander are the same creature.


>Then it's just selective hypocritical
It's just semantics.
Look how foolish you sound right now: You are literally implying that Charizard and Charmander are not the same Pokemon.

>>26344015
>>26344021
>>26344022
Holy guacamole the autism hivemind. Charizard is a part of a starter line

>>26344331
Why are you being purposefully retarded to try to win a petty argument that you already know you lost?


The new fucking starter is a tiger. That pretty much confirms the Zodiac.


Get over it.

>>26344321
My yorkie is a coyote because canines

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>>26342947
>>26343761
>>26343889
>muh canines

Foxes belong to the vulpes genus.

The vulpes genus (vulpines) is a totally different subfamily than the canis genus (canines). Therefore, vulpines are not canines.

Vulpines are far-off cousins to canines through a much larger family known as canids or canidae, which also consists of jackals, bush dogs, short-eared zorros and tanukis.

Of all canids, vulpines and canines are the most distantly related. Just to drive this point home, vulpines are more closely related to tanukis than canines.

The branch split that would eventually lead to vulpines and canines occurred more than 30 million years ago. Just take a second to digest that - canines and vulpines have been biologically distinct for MILLIONS of years.

Ergo, scientifically, foxes and dogs are heavily distinguished. Culturally in Japan and in every other relevant part of the world, foxes and dogs are also heavily distinguished.

Pass it on. Tell your friends.

>>26344291
And if we go by categories then Blastoise is a shellfish, Caterpie is a worm, RATtata is a mouse, Nidoking has a drill, Poliwrath is still a tadpole, Slowbro is a crab and so on. Even more worthless than the Pokedex entries.

>>26344331
>flame, lizard and dragon are mutually exclusive
nice non-logic you got there m8

inb4 you don't even know what mutually exclusive means

>>26344346
Part of the line but its not a starter

>>26344280
>>fennekin is a fox, not a dog
>fox, NOT a dog
Learn to read before jumping to conclusions. Oh wait, you're a zodiacfag, you always do mental gymnastics and jump into conclusions.

>>26344351
>new starter is a tiger

...it's a cat. It's not a tiger. It's not a tiger cub. It's a cat. A fucking housecat.

>>26344336
>It's a dragon because its a flying fire breathing lizard!
>Except Charmander doesn't fly but still counts because reasons

>>26344357
Gamefreak is a video game company. They take creative liberties in designing their fantasy creatures.


Foxes = Canines

Pass it on. Tell your friends.

>>26344357
>Scientifically, blablablabla
Correct

>Culturally in Japan and in every other relevant part of the world, foxes and dogs are also heavily distinguished.

This is where you are wrong, the old pictogram in Chinese for fox and dog used to be the same. Alas, science wasn't a thing when the Zodiac was invented

>>26344372
>Charizard is not a starter pokemon

This is literal retardation

FOXES ARE NOT DOGS

>>26344378
Charmander is a wingless dragon because it's a baby dragon. As it grow up, it gains wings.

>>26344397
And Remoraid is an Octopus.

>>26344380
I love this argument because you can justify fucking everything with it. Water starters are based on various demons Gamefreak took creative liberties with.

>>26344377
Just a coincidence that its a cat and cats are also in the zodiac, right mate? :^)
>>26344378
>hey guys, look, I can't argue without using greentext

In a court of law, you would be thrown out for obstruction for attempting to argue semantics.

That's the sign of a piss poor argument


Charizard = Charmander

Charmander =/=Bulbsaur

Bulbsaur = Venusaur
Charizard and Charmander are literally one in the same.

>>26344380
>I can't read for shit

>>26344384

Japan's earliest myths distinguished heavily between the inu and the kitsune, and as far as Japan is concerned there's a difference between foxes and dogs.

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>>26344351
oh, my bad. I can't believe I was so silly thinking litten is a cat

>>26344411
>I love this argument because you can justify fucking everything with it.

Except you can't. If Gen 6 fire starter had been a fish or bird, then yeah, I would be wrong


But that fact is that Gen 6 fire starter was a canine, designed in a way to make it fit into its psychic typing

>>26344417
>cats are also in the zodiac
Specifically excluded, actually.

>>26344375
Wait I thought you were the zodiacfag in the argument

>>26344380
>Foxes = Canines

The post you're quoting thoroughly just explained why foxes AREN'T canines, you illiterate inbred.

>>26344411
Did you know that every Ghost type Pokemon is actually inspired by the Cantos of Dante's Inferno in order? They took some liberties here and there but it really can't be denied.

>>26344428
You can't say the dex species counts for one mon but not for another.

If Litten is a cat then Cyndaquil is a mouse.

>>26344377
If I were a betting man, i would bet it would progress more into a tiger than a "just gets bigger" housecat. But if it's too much for your brain to comprehend, with a Pokemon changing between evolutions, as it seems to be based on this thread, I'm sorry. Just keep spamming the cancel every time it levels up and starts the evolution so some people on the internet can't enjoy a speculative design idea

And also how the hell has nobody asked designers whether or not they draw inspiration from the Zodiac at like a panel or something?

>>26344468
It's also pretty blatantly a fucking cat without species name.

>>26344468
CHARIZARD IS A FLAME

>>26344470
>Litten counts because it becomes a Tiger later on

>Cyndaquil counts despite definitely not being a Mouse later on.

Wew lad.

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>>26344451
QUIck!!!111 someone call Gamefreak headquarters!!!111 tell them super Detective Anon solved the case!!1111
I really don't think Gamefreak gave a shit if a fox was in the subgroup Vulpes or not.

They needed a psychic canine. Foxes were the best choice.

>>26344468
It is a cat, and will become a tiger.

>>26344468
Litten's a cat because it looks like a cat and its species name is cat and its name is the name of a type of cat. Don't have to only use one and ignore everything else, that's a Zodiacfag thing.

>>26344510
Even if it doesn't become a tiger, cats are basically tigers still. So it works.

>>26343104
>implying litten is a tiger and not a cat
>implying typhlosion is a mouse and not a badger/wolverine

Stop your autism, faggot.

>>26344510
It doesn't have to. Both cats and tigers are felids. Just like foxes and dogs are canids.

>>26344530
This.

Also tigers are literally in the "big cat" family, so even still, theys cats.

Foxes aren't dogs or even canines for that matter, but have a distant relation to canines through a family that goes back millions and millions of years.

Shrews aren't rats or even rodents for that matter, and are barely related to rodents at all through a class that goes back even further than the canine-vulpine split.

You faggots are reaching so hard even Darwin can feel you pushing him from his grave.

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>>26344530
JESUS CHRIST THIS GUY IS GETTING MAULED BY A FUCKING TIGER

GUYS!!!!!!

GOD DAMMNIT!!!!


Why would Gamefreak, a company that designs elemental monsters shooting lighting from their assholes, NOT realize that Foxes are NOT canines (despite them being canines)

Foxes are Vulpes!!! It doesn't work!!!!!!

>>26344553
>Foxes aren't dogs or even canines for that matter

Except...
"The biological family Canidae /ˈkænᵻdiː/ [2] is a lineage of carnivorans that includes domestic dogs, wolves, foxes, jackals, dingoes, and many other extant and extinct dog-like mammals."

>>26344574
>what is creative liberty

>>26344548
That doesn't matter, either, even if it evolves into a hyena or something that's still close enough. Shit, even a wolf would work fine, as long as it's a carnivore that evolves from a cat.

>>26344579
It was sarcasm.

If we use the logic that zodiacfags use to prove Fennekin is a dog we can prove Litten can't be a part of the zodiac even if it evolves into a tiger
Tigers are felines just like cats
So it can't be a part of the zodiac

Thing is Cyndaquil means that Zodiac fags have to justify their theory using first stages only. And it's pretty clear that they can't.

Charmander isn't a dragon. Litten isn't a tiger. Foxes aren't dogs.

If you count Charizard and hypothetical tiger Litgeroar then Typhlosion does not fit the pattern.

>>26344574
Canids =/= canines, retard.

>>26344579
A cop-out?

>>26344530
>>26344548
It's a cat with tiger stripes. Inspiration=/= literal translation.

>>26344607
Quick, you might want call the Encyclopedia Britannica and tell them

>>26344604
Just stop. This argument has already been BTFOed

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>>26344618
I hate to break it to you, but many cats have stripes.

>>26344618
Are all stripes tiger stripes now when they're on a cat, no matter how different they are to actual tiger stripes?

>>26344604
Honestly I'm of the opinion that as long as a single stage in each evolutionary line fits the zodiac, then it counts.

>>26344623
Encyclopedia Britannica also claims that foxes are canids, not canines.

You just can't read.

>>26344641
It's unre-fucking-futable. You can't refute it so you're trying to ignore it.

>>26344655
But that's not a pattern then. That's just selective bullshit.

Also Cyndaquil really isn't a mouse despite the species name and even if it were mice aren't rats.

>>26344655
Even with that incredibly loose interpretation, no amount of bullshit makes Cyndaquil line or Fennekin line fit. Not just one failure, but two, out of only six attempts.

>>26344661
Charmander and Charizard are the same Pokemon, at different evolutionary stages. This applies to all Pokemon.

You can't have one without the other.

That's like an old man and a teenager are not humans, because they look differently. They're the same thing.

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>>26344618
Look at this badass petting a tiger

>>26344468
>If Litten is a cat then Cyndaquil is a mouse.
Then you're still wrong
Cats, Foxes and Lizards aren't in the zodiac

>>26344644
>>26344647
I'm sure litten will be a house cat in it's final evo (said no one ever).

>>26344672
cyndaquil was still part of the "year of the rat" promotion held at the pokemon centers in the early 2000s, so I'd say despite your fuckery, it does count

>>26344672
>and even if it were mice aren't rats.
For seventh time, in Chinese, rat and mouse are the same word

>>26344674

>no amount of bullshit makes...Fennekin line fit.
Please read the thread before posting.

Thanks.
>>26343761

>>26344678
remoraid is an octopus

>>26344114
REKT

>>26344678
So Charmander is a dragon because Charizard is one.

But Cyndaquil isn't a badger despite Typhlosion being one.

Great theory, real consistent and not at all you desperately forcing a pattern that doesn't exist.

>>26344690
mere coincidence that it's a fire cat starter

Just like how it will be mere coincidence when the next starter is a fire rabbit
:^)

>>26344716
GUYS


IN THIS GAME ABOUT MONSTERS SHOOTING FIRE FROM THEIR ASS HOLES

EVERYTHING HAS TO BE RIGID AND 100% SOLID!!!!
Mate....you do realize Gamefreak employs 100s of artist?


You lost the argument. Litten confirms the Zodiac. Take your salt to somewhere else.

Cyndaquil and Fennekin don't fit no matter how hard you try. And Litten remains to be seen.

>>26344715
Again, its a tradition not a pattern. Read the fucking thread

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Look at this standard rat you see in Brooklyn

>>26344739
>A cat confirms the zodiac despite cats being specifically excluded.

Neat.

>>26344672
You're right. Cyndaquil is not a mouse. Cyndaquil is a Pokemon. All of these creatures are Pokemon. The zodiac is comprised of animals. To complain that people categorize these Pokemon in similar fashion to the zodiac is silly, because, as Pokemon, their design inspirations can include more than one real-life creature.

I don't think Cyndaquil or Fennekin fit onto the zodiac, but they're Pokemon so it's fine to believe that they do. It's a non-issue that only faggots and autists get angry about.

>>26344764
Out of all the animals, Gamefreak chooses a feline.

Coincidence?

>>26344739
IF anything it deconfirms the zodiac because no matter what it will still have been a cat like>>26344678 said, and no matter what cats can't be a part of the zodiac. This is with your logic

>>26344767
So you admit that two of the seven don't fit but still defend the theory. That's fucking retarded.

>>26344779
Cats are common and popular. They're also not in the Zodiac.

>>26344804
>>26344799

>They're also not in the Zodiac.

What's a tiger?

>>26344804
>Cats are common and popular
To add on to that they are especially popular in Japan. When will people accept that the actual pattern is making sure the starters are marketable?

>>26344835
A Tiger.

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>when Gen 8 is released and Zodiacfags start claiming any reptile represents the snake or that any bovid represents the goat or the ox

Unless they make an aquatic or bird Fire starter (which is unlikely) or repeat the same taxonomical family as a previous Fire starter (which is also unlikely), your theory is virtually unfalsifiable at this point. That's how much you dumb faggots have stretched it.

>>26344852

>The tiger (Panthera tigris) is the largest cat species

:^)

>>26344716
The zodiac is inspiration.
All pokemon in a starter line are starters.
Is there inspiration from the zodiac animals in any part of the starters line.

>So Charmander is a dragon because Charizard is one.
Charmander evolves into a dragon.

> But Cyndaquil isn't a badger despite Typhlosion being one.
Typhlosion is a pokemon that used to be a mouse and evolved into a Volcano pokemon not a badger.

It's about inspiration not a concrete pattern.

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>>26344857
I guess we'll have to see then.

>>26344835
A tiger not a cat
It's like you haven't heard of the myth that explains why cats can't be in the zodiac

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>>26344861
I'm seeing double! It's like they're clones!

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>>26344857
>when Gen 8 is released and deniers pretend a fire-rabbit starter is a mere coincidence


Mere coincidence that the starters fit into the zodiac

:^)

>>26344888
Pretending to be retarded isn't an argument

>>26344162
>traditions are not patterns.
Okay.

>>26344618
>stripes
Those aren't stripes, thats it's real fur.
The black is just the oils it produces staining it black

>>26344869
"Inspiration" is such a loose argument though that we'd have no idea if Game Freak was doing this intentionally or not.

Let's be honest. You guys have changed the goalposts way too many times at this point.

>>26344910
Someone who can't tell the difference between house cats and tigers has no business calling anyone else retarded.

John Gamefreak here to say zodiac theory is bullshit

>>26342861
>Get a ram pokemon
Denierfags cry that's not a sheep

>Get snake starter pokemon that loses or gains limbs over evolution line
Denierfags cry it doesn't stay a snake

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>>26344861
Panthera Tigris, like Vulpines and Canines, are also quite distant from the Felis genus which is where domestic cats belong.

I hate it when people pretend to know shit about biology even when they're really just talking out of their asses.

>>26344968
It's not an argument, only autistic people can't understand and want everything to be 1:1 literal translation.

>>26345055
I'm impartial, but why would they make another snake starter?

>>26345055
>Get Goat pokemon
>Zodiacfags claim it's close to a sheep
>Get Kangaroo pokemon
>Zodiacfags claim it counts as a snake because they both have bellies

>>26345101
>Why would they make another bird starter?
>Why would they make another turtle starter

>>26345090
>want everything to be 1:1 literal translation

Yes, that is what is called an ACTUAL PATTERN, and not just an example of retards seeing objects in clouds.

>>26345101
>implying that matters when we already have more than one bird starter

>>26345124
Only the autists like you are talking about patterns. I'm talking about inspiration.

>>26345121
>>26345129
Those aren't the same kind of turtle/bird
Where else would you go with a snake?

>>26345107
>>Zodiacfags claim it counts as a snake because they both have bellies
Not rabbit

>>26345107
Goat is an exact match you moron. It used to even be the more commons translation, but sheep is more common now for some reason.

>>26345173
There are different kinds of snakes.

>>26345164
No, you ARE talking about patterns, otherwise we wouldn't be having this argument. You backpedaling to "muh inspiration" doesn't change the fact that you're still deriving your argument from the notion of there being a pattern of some kind.

>>26343920
>fire starters will be extremely culturally common animals that sometimes happen to match up with the zodiac because they're both made of extremely culturally common animals
>even when 3 of them don't fit you will still believe in your retarded patternfag bullshit


I bet that "rabbit" and "snake" will actually be a chinchilla and a caterpillar, but you retards will still shoehorn it in, because if you look at it from the eyes of a 3 year old with severe autism and dog and a fox are the same as are a chinchilla and a rabbit and an echidna and a mouse and a western dragon and a chinese dragon and a caterpillar and a snake.

>>26345215
You are trying to argue, I'm not. You think there is an argument because you can't recognize any zodiac inspiration due to your autism.

>>26344563
Underrated post.

>>26345268
>doesn't understand what an argument is
>doesn't understand that the "inspiration" point is still arguing for a pattern

Please just put yourself out of your misery, holy fuck.

>>26345338
Exactly, you're mad for some reason, and trying to turn this into an argument. I'm just responding.

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>>26344530
>cats are basically tigers still

Not even fucking close. They're both felids, just like dogs and foxes are both canids. Felids and canids are taxonomy groups that go back millions of years.

>>26345401
Language is older than taxonomy

>>26345401
What's exactly your point? Still fits in the zodiac.

>>26345408
No one considers a tiger the same species as a house cat except for niggers on /vp/.

>>26344530
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_(zodiac)
>Legends relating to the order of the Chinese zodiac often include stories as to why the cat was not included among the twelve. Because the Rat tricked the cat into missing the banquet with the Jade Emperor, the cat was not included and wasn't aware that the banquet was going on and was not given a year, thus began the antipathy between cats and Rats.

>>26345433
>Still fits in the zodiac

No it doesn't. Chinese legend specifically says that the cat was excluded from the zodiac, so obviously they don't consider them tigers.

>>26344114
>one thing is a pattern so everything must be a pattern

Show me the pattern with grass or water starters then,

>inb4 that shit about prehistoric animals or weapons of war which is somehow even more flimsy than the zodiac
>inb4 "water starters are amphibious" which isn't a pattern, it's just common fucking sense

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>>26343063

ebic post imo senpai