Given its horrible typing, what would make Rowlet OU? Hard mode:

>>26282434
Nothing, it's going to be jumpluff 2.0

>>26282434
125+ Attacking stats

>>26282459
/thread

Gale Grass HA
Grass/Dark final evo
Grass/Dragon mega evo

>>26282434
Bulky physical attacker with Filter ability.

>>26282434

Good Speed and offensive stats

huge power bulky stats

>>26282434
Unless they get rid of its Flying type for the final evo then...
Fast physical/mixed attacker with a unique HA and Spore.

Fast physical attacker with reckless hjk, wood hammer, brave bird.

People who suggest special attacker are retarded because that's basically a death sentence for this thing's move pool

Ability: Gale Wings

HP: 80
Attack: 140
Defense: 80
Sp. Atk: 60
Sp. Def: 80
Speed: 100

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Yesterday, someone actually tried to tell me that Grass/Flying was good typing.

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>>26282434

>horrible typing

>high BP STAB with wide SE coverage
>perfect neutral stab barring Steel
>resists common fighting and water, immune to common ground
>immune to seeds and powders
>immune to most hazards

Stop being a fucking idiot. Tropius and Jumpluff are bad because their stats are shit. Weavile has a far worse type defensively, and useless abilities, but it's stats and offense alone propel it to the top.

>>26282434
HA: Unburden
Learns acrobatics and flying gem is brought back

>>26282569

It's not going to get HJK. HJK is a knee strike. It will get JK at best.

Grass/Dragon final evolution with huge power

serene grace? idk honestly especially if this thing is slow.

>>26282646
>>high BP STAB with wide SE coverage
Literally walled by Klang.

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>"Rowlet can attack without making a sound! It flies silently through the skies, drawing near to its opponent without being noticed, and then lashing out with powerful kicks. It can also attack from a distance using the razor-sharp leaves that form part of its feathers."

>Thinking it won't get Gale Wings

>>26282728

Golurk walls Terrakion, but that's irrelevant since no one uses Golurk because it's shit

>>26282646
>weak to rocks
>4x weak to ice
>weak to flying
>weak to fire
>weak to poison
>implying anyone really uses water without packing ice
Dodging ground and resisting fighting is nice, though.

>>26282730
>implying Gale Wings won't get nerfed into the ground
Who am I kidding, Gamefreak isn't smart.

>Gale wings
>brave borb
>enough speed to outskill Talonflame/Ice Shard
>caring about weaknesses when you're never gonna get hit
>Whimsicott tier moveset

>>26282668
>it's a fucking legendary, anon

>>26282434
Access to a boosting move and a novelty-albeit-useful Speed tier would be nice. As far as hidden abilities go, I'm expecting No Guard because all that "excellent 8/8 vision" thingie.

No Guard Sleep Powder + Air Slash is already a good start.

aerilate
stats:
90
105
101
102
102
40

give it extremespeed, boomburst, body slam, fakeout

>>26282434
>implying owls are birds
>implying it will be flying type

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>>26282760

Good thing it has STAB against rock and water, and strong neutral coverage against the rest, unlike most grass types.

Not you specifically but

>ice shard
You people are fucking idiots. What even uses Ice Shard except Mamoswine and a fraction of Weaviles?

>>26282646
>perfect neutral stab barring Steel
>perfect
>except entirely being resisted by this common defensive type
There's only 18 types, half of which is just neutral and weak to everything, it's not hard to get two types together that won't 100% brick against a pure typing in its entirety.

>>26282434
>It flies silently through the skies, drawing near to its opponent without being noticed, and then lashing out with powerful kicks
I'm gonna say kicking variant of Iron Fist, and some moves to go with it. Mega Kick, High Jump Kick, maybe even Blaze Kick as an egg move (unlikely, but it's about time a Grass-type got some non-Grass moves). Flying Press seems pretty likely, too.

Make it fast, with high Attack.

Quick Guard and Spiky Shield as an egg move are desperately needed if it's gonna stand a chance against Talonflame, and Shadow Sneak would be nice, and would fit the theme of it flying silently in the dark, and is a damn useful move, to boot.

Belly Drum, Gale Wings, Acrobatics.

>>26282434

>Hard mode: no Gale Wings.

welp, thats not happening. not even thick fat could help it with that abysmal typing.

>>26282868

That's only STAB coverage, we don't know it's netural. And plenty of dual typed steels will be neutral against its STAB.

I like the Reckless idea going around.

Fuck, if you wanna go crazy with it. Give it and some shitty ground types exclusive access to a 120 bp recoil ground move.

>>26282870
>Blaze Kick as an egg move

What would it even inherit it from?

Rowlet will almost certainly be in the Flying egg group, and the only Pokemon who can learn Blaze Kick (Blaziken, Hitmonlee, Infernapel, and Lucario) are in the Field and Human-Like groups.

>>26282832
>boomburst
>flies silently in the night

Any type can be great with the right stat distribution and moveset and ability. It all depends on if Gamefreak makes it great or makes it terrible.

>>26282870
>>26282920

What the fuck would it even need Blaze Kick for? It already has SE STAB against grass and bug. Fighting moves would be much better coverage and more fitting thematically.

>>26282813
Even CompoundEyes would be sweet. If it's a special attacker it could be cool, if it's Physical something like Reckless could work well with Brave Bird and Wood Hammer. Really interested to see stats, moves, and ability. There's always potential for new stuff, too!

>>26282906
Common ones like Heatran, Metagross, Jirachi, any of the Steel/Fairy ones, Aegislash, Bisharp, and Skarmory all don't.

Really the only ones who will be neutral are Steel/Grass and Steel/Bug. That's like two total notable steel types.

IT WILL GET INSOMNIA

>>26282943
You say that like Gamefreak is actually aware of balance in their own game.

They gave Aegislash 150 base special attack and a decent special movepool, and expected everyone to just use it physically with its major weakness to burns.

>>26282920
Good point. For some reason I thought Hawlucha got it as an egg move (it doesn't), but it's not even in the Flying group.
>>26282945
Steel-types, mostly. But yeah, that's what Fighting moves are for.

>>26282730
If it gets an ability that makes it immune to dark, does it matter?

delta stream

>>26282920
Is there a reason it can't be Flying and Field?

>>26283024
It'd be okay for dealing with knockoff-spam. Still, that'd just be eh at the end of the day unless it gave a nasty boost for getting hit with a dark move. Like +evasion

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>It finishes its prey off with a colossal kick.
>Doesn't learn a single kicking move
Chances of Rowlet's evos learning one is slim

Besides the Reckless idea, I can see it being good by it simply learning spore and not being slow as shit. If it's 95 speed and learns spore, it'd be useful. Give it Defog, magic guard or magic bounce and it would be a very very good utility mon

>>26282434
HP:90
Atk:90
Def:75
SpAtk:90
SpDef:75
Speed:95
515 BST
Ability:Reckless
-Wood Hammer
-Brave Bird
-?
-?

>>26283121
>95 base speed
>not slow as shit

>>26283013
>Immune to spore and sleep powder
This is such a bad idea it's completely reasonable to expect from John Gamefreak.

>>26283147
95 speed makes it the fastest spore user by far. Spore at any speed past 105 would be absolutely retarded.

>>26283121

It won't get Spore.

Spore is called Mushroom Spore in Japanese, hence why the only Pokemon that get it are based on mushrooms. Everything else has to settle for Sleep Powder.

Even so, I don't see Rowlet being the type of Pokemon to learn any powder/spore moves.

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>>26283086
Trust me, I was watching for this for a long time. I totally expected Talonflame to get Jump Kick or at least Double Kick. If GameFreak is going to insist on referring to talon strikes as kicks, they need to put the movepools where their mouths are. Jump Kick would be a great coverage move for Rowlet, especially if he did become a recoil king and get Reckless.

>>26282434
Become Grass/Steel with Levitate.

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>>26283121
>spore
>not a mushroom

>>26283136
Jesus fuck what is that stat distribution. It's like looking at a gen 1 and 2 pokemon's stat distro.

>>26283175
>implying a Japanese company is telling their English localizers to call a bird attacking its prey "kicking"

>>26283171
Machamp gets fire blast and Latios gets surf. I don't see the problem.

>>26282569
You say that like they don't invent new moves.

>>26282646
>perfect neutral stab barring Steel
Far from perfect my man.
>being walled by the most prominent defensive type in the game.

That being said.
A dash of good speed and a single good offensive stat will do wonders. It could be UU or OU on birdspam alone.

>>26283167
"fastest spore user" isn't really saying much when it will kill all viability in the rest of its support.

>>26283196
This is gamefreak we're talking about

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>yfw it turns into a gentleman fighter bird
>grass/fighting is the new fire/fighting

>>26283225
You're acting like a grass special attacker will ever have a move pool

>>26283216
>Machamp gets fire blast

Gen 1 movepools.

>Latios gets surf

Lots of non-Water types get Surf, even ones that are weak to Water like Rhyperior.

>>26282434
It's not going to keep the flying type

>Heavily implying it won't be grass/dark

>>26283171
Grasswhistle
:^)

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>>26282728
>IT HAS A COUNTER SO IT'S SHIT.
Come on.

Drop Grass's weakness to Ice and give it to Water finally. All three starter types have the same number of weaknesses, water no longer always walls water and ice mons, grass is no longer shitted on so hard, and Rowlet isn't shut down instantly.

Never going to happen but we can dream.

>>26282779
11

Tuxedo Owl

Ability:Bird of Prey(increases the BP of draining moves by 50%)

BST
120/100/80/50/80/110

Signature move is an 80BP physical Giga Drain

>yfw Reckless Owl King learns headsmash

>>26283296
when its counter is the most common fucking defensive type, yeah it's pretty shit

>>26283265
Rhyperior only gets it because Rhyhorn and Rhydon get it, because they're part of the same Gen 1 movepools as Machamp.

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>It evolves into this

Grass/Psychic typing

>>26283399
Literally even worse typing.

>>26283389
>owl turns into a frog bird

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>>26283210
Does anyone know how to access and translate the Japanese text about Rowlet?

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>>26282434
Give the owl high speed, attack, and a lot of movepool coverage. Or just give it Protean.

Because I wanted to think of a cool special Technician set since Air Cutter will be a STAB Flying move with a high crit chance and the Tech boost. Magical Leaf and Air Cutter are going to do the same amount of damage for the most part so they're interchangeable.

HP:95
Atk:110
Def:75
SpAtk:85
SpDef:75
Spe:120

Rowlet-Evo @ Life Orb/Choice Specs
Ability: Technician
EVs: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Air Cutter
-Magical Leaf
-Hidden Power Fire
-Roost/Filler

>252 SpA Life Orb Technician Abomasnow Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 322-385 (91.4 - 109.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
>252 SpA Choice Specs Technician Abomasnow Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 376-444 (106.8 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252 SpA Life Orb Technician Abomasnow Magical Leaf vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 183-216 (43.8 - 51.7%) -- 9.8% chance to 2HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Technician Abomasnow Air Cutter vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp on a critical hit: 274-324 (65.7 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Choice Specs Technician Abomasnow Magical Leaf vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 211-249 (50.5 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>252 SpA Life Orb Technician Abomasnow Air Cutter vs. 252 HP / 144+ SpD Mega Sableye: 114-136 (37.5 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>252 SpA Life Orb Technician Abomasnow Air Cutter vs. 252 HP / 144+ SpD Mega Sableye on a critical hit: 173-204 (56.9 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Choice Specs Technician Abomasnow Air Cutter vs. 252 HP / 144+ SpD Mega Sableye: 132-156 (43.4 - 51.3%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO


Let me know if there are more calcs I should run

Give him that ability that I forget the name of that Swoobat has which doubles stat boosts. Also give him Nasty Plot.

>>26283527
*Atk:85
*SpAtk:100

>implying he won't be the Grass Talonflame

Ability - Thick Down(Thick fat renamed)

HP:90
ATK:140
DEF:80
SA:50
SD:75
Speed:105

>>26283171
Sleep Powder is for pokemon that are "poisonous-like" like the moth/flower-based ones (see bellsprout line, bulba line, vivillon, venonat line, oddish line) because they're able to scatter substances/powders. So it's not getting that by any means.

>>26283576
>>26283171
Grasswhistle exists.

Rowlet should be flying/grass
t
b
h

>>26282841
Why do people always use Garchomp as an example when this comes up?

This shit isn't going to be Garchomp 2.

>>26283601
Does it matter?

>>26283593
>abysmal presition

Guys
What if
Aerielate Boomburst

>>26283601
Rowlet is an grass owl that birds, not a cloud that grasses

>>26283655
But still, makes more sense for Gamefreak to have owl grasswhistle than sleep powder.

>>26283670
Grass/Flying starter gets Aerilate Extremespeed. Can it be OU now?

>>26282841
Garchomp is a fucking dragon type, it's a different story, without mention it has a superior boost and good bulk.

Grass/Flying is a shit defensive type, okay offensive type so Rowlet is already having it hard.

>>26283383

Rhyperior gets it because Kaiju mons, i.e. monster egg group mons learn elemental moves anyway.

>yfw rampardos gets surf, icebeam and thunderbolt but no grass special attacker will get any of that

>>26282434
Type change evo

>>26283527

It won't get Technician. Technician is for things that have a lot of tactile skill and finesse, such as a mantis, a mime, a painter, a dancer, a violinist, a groomer, a cat, a four-handed monkey.

Birds are not particularly tactile.

>>26283719
It's still going to be inferior to bravest bird in that case.

HP:75
Attack: 120
Defense: 95
Sp. Atk: 65
Sp. Def: 70
Speed: 105
Notable moves: Brave Bird, Leaf Blade, Brick Break, Night Slash, Low Kick, Acrobatics, Roost, Swords Dance, X-Scissor, and maybe High Jump Kick
Hidden ability could either Sap sipper or Defiant. Eh, I don't know.
Grass/Flying is a shit type defensively but as long as it has good attack, speed and decent coverage moves, I can see it at least making it to UU.

>>26283827
>owls not having finesse
>implying owls are birds

>>26283602

Garchomp doesn't get shut down because ice moves exist.

People have this fucktarded notion that a mon must be able to cover absolutely all of its bases in all situations to be remotely viable.

>>26283722

>arguing "dragon type" as if it's a benefit in this meta
>arguing "superior boost" when every grass type on the planet learns Swords Dance
>STILL clinging to defensive type on an offensive mon

Just fuck off.

>>26283838
GW Brave Bird doesn't have +2 priority.

>>26283939
Dragon type means: I get a fuck huge move pool and can learn 80% of the TM list

Grass type means: I'm lucky if I have 2 usable moves and my move pool is bigger than wobbuffet's

>>26283762

Rampardos is in the monster/kaiju egg group.

>>26283939
Garchomp has one really bad weakness, and two others and that's pretty much it. Grass/Flying has a shitload of common weaknesses, most notably ice and rock.

food for thought.

HP:70
Attack: 105
Defense: 80
Sp. Atk: 115
Sp. Def: 60
Speed: 105
HA: drought.
Gets growth, Brave bird, Solarbeam, air slash, sleep powder, u turn, tailwind, encore, hidden power fire

Can do growth sweeping either physical or special. Can do utility with sleep powder, encore and u turn. Is pretty quick.

>>26283975

80% of moves that he doesn't even use. All that matters is he gets steel or fire for coverage. Meanwhile fighting coverage is perfectly plausible for owl, and it would cover all his bases.

>>26283827
>Birds are not particularly tactile
Tell that to my cockatoo. Bugger unscrews his cage all the time. Knows how to open certain locks, too.

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As much as I love the thing, its UU at best, grass and flying aren't good types to have stab in and its weak to a whooping SIX types! (flying, rock, ice[x4!], fire, electric, poison), Its only hope is to be a decent physical attacker with high speed growths to compete and stay in UU.

>>26283980
Can we stop giving pokemon moves based on japanese puns and other stupid shit like this?

>>26284033
>Fire/Flying mon will never be OU with Stealth Rock around

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>>26283442
that would make perfect pokemon logic

>>26284007
>weather dependent
No fuck off
>mixed attacker
Fuck off even further
>trying to even mildly give it special attack
Fuck off really hard

>>26284079
Are you mad I made a versatile mon that would actually be good? Fast sleep if nothing else.

>>26284085
>good
Lmao no.
You basically made another meganium.

>>26284001

Except everyone is clinging to the same ice weakness that would, by the same logic, make Garchomp/Lando/Gliscor etc useless. The implication is that they have benefits that outweigh that, yet somehow owl cannot. Fucking stupid.

Like I said owl has STAB against rock and can hypothetically hit shit hard anyway, or have some way to deal with it. Rocks don't stop the multitude of Pokemon weak or 4x weak to them from being viable.

>>26284059
It it didn't have a busted ass ability, it'd be garbage.

Typing isn't everything. Breloom doesn't even break 500 BST

>>26284105
you're really retarded aren't you?

>>26284114
It's not just ice, anon. It's the fact that it has such a major weakness AND a shitload of other weaknesses. The reason Chomp and friends aren't bad is because (in addition to good stats) they don't have a lot of weaknesses.

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>>26284116

>"If it didn't have a busted ass ability, it'd be garbage."
>"If it didn't have busted ass stats, it'd be garbage."
>"If it didn't have a busted ass movepool, it'd be garbage."
>"If it didn't have a busted ass type, it'd be garbage."

t. scrub

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>>26284162

>if it has a shitload of weaknesses it's bad
>Weavile is bad
>Tyranitar is bad
>Latis are bad
>Breloom is bad

>B-BUT THEY HAVE THESE OTHER REDEEMING QUALITIES

YES, THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT. Types don't exist in a fucking vacuum, they are tied to stats, movepool, ability and item/team synergy.

Seriously these threads are fucking retarded.

>>26282522
>implying it won't stay as grass/flying

>>26282668
You're fucking retarded and you could not have picked a worse example. Shaymin is good because of its movepool, stats, and ability. Its typing and defense are negatives that make it manageable in Ubers.

Rowlet isn't going to get legendary tier stats, so it better hope its graced with a good hidden ability and movepool like Talonflame and Greninja.

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>>26284289

The only stats that matter on Shaymin-S are its speed and SpA. It has a bunch of points dumped redundantly in attack. While unlikely to be that high for a starter, it's easy as fuck to achieve similar optimization with 530 BST, but perhaps not banworthy.

Also
>is good because of its movepool, stats, and ability

Yes, that's the fucking point. We don't know anything else about the mon, people are jumping to conclusions because they're kneejerking faggots.

>>26284114
There's a huge difference;
Ground and Dragon are god tier defensive/offensive types
Grass/Steel is a great defensive type.
Fire/Flying is a great offensive type.
All those types I mentioned have common x4 weaknesses, yet some pokemon still manage to do a great job, but you can't compare them with grass/flying because it's simply not inside the same scope.
Grass is bad defensive-wise (and highly relies on the second type), meh offensive STAB unless you can abuse it like serperior; it's not a must-have coverage like ice, ground or rock. That's why people think its a shitty type, not just because of the weaknesses.

>>26283630
>>26283680
he's a bird that grasses, not a grass that birds

>>26282841
I use Ice Shard! On my Adamant, full Physical attacker Mega Abomasnow

...don't judge me, pls...

You'd think people would learn that discussing anything competitive before a new gen releases is just a giant waste of time

Give it Prankster, Dark Void, Baton Pass, and decent buff moves

>>26284381

Except grass is a great secondary type for flying, because it neutralizes electric, and SE against rock and ice-carrying water. Also prevents powders and seeds. The tradeoff is 4x ice, but again, ice is not a death sentence, especially if it's an offensive mon that can punish switches, more so if it has fighting coverage.

Also
>dragon is a god tier defensive/offensive type
What gen are you in

>>26284356
Nobody is jumping to conclusions, people are explaining why Grass/Flying is a shit typing and WHY Rowlet has it hard.

As explained a lot, it needs a good movepool with coverage moves/decent STABs, good stat distribution and ability to be good; there's a minimal chance of all of those happening at the same time.

Pokemon like Ferrothorn, Weavile, Tyranitar, Garchomp, etc are all good because they fill those spots.

>>26284530
honestly its just grass.

grass is shit.

ITT: Peeps judging a single Pokemon as bad based on their typing alone and not also abilities, stat spreads and movepool, while conveniently include all things in consideration for every other existing Pokemon.

was it him --> >>26282646

Ability: On air - doubles the effect of stat multiplier on used moves

Learns Nasty Plot and Quiver Dance

BST

100/80/90/70/90/110

>>26284530

Weavile has useless abilities and a shallow movepool. It's only good because of its stats, which are both optimized and have synergy with its type.
Serperior ONLY has a good ability, and one good stat.
Even Tangrowth, as a tanky grass type, is B+ in OU, because it's anti-meta. Bisharp is where it is for the same reason.

You're exaggerating how much owl needs to be good. Stats are the main thing and it has plenty of BST to work with.

It really boils down to what this guy said >>26284554

>>26284554
You have to realize that Mega Sableye being a shitmon was a popular opinion here before ORAS was released

These idiots couldn't into competitive even if they spent a lifetime training at Smogon Academy

>>26284525

Are you seriously going to discuss grass/flying defensive potential? I can get it may work ofensively, but most pokemon have STAB/coverage moves against that bad typing.
I can already mention: Heatran, Weavile, Tornadus and Talonflame.

Dragon-type is a good SECONDARY type in both, deffensive/ofensive wise, that's what I'm talking about.
Garchomp, Salamence and Latios are pretty good mostly because their dual typing and fairies didn't stop them.

>Powders and seeds
Literally 2 or 3 decent pokemon use seed and powers.
Compare that to Talonflame's immunity against burn.

>>26284769

Literally 2 or 3 decent pokemon use will o wisp. If you're going to argue Scald, Tflame can't deal with it anyway.

You're acting like those Pokemon will be able to switch freely into this thing which is extremely presumptuous. Type-wise they shit on Serperior, Venusaur, Breloom, Celebi etc as well, but they either have a way to deal with it, or other qualities that outweigh it.

Again >>26284554

It is going to get soundproof

>>26282434
>get bulkier
>HA becomes Thick Fat
Literally all it takes.
Roost stall for days

I love everyone who keep saying "b-b-but Steel", that's why you switch to something that deals with Steel. It's called countering and you do it with every single fucking okemon in the fucking game, why do you dipshits never remember this and insist that every Pokemon who can't kill every other Pokemon in one hit is shitty and useless?

>>26284033
what is this, 2014?

>>26285282
Because there are a number of Pokemon in the game which already have the ability to kill every other Pokemon. To the point of gen 6 ubers list being unreasonable. Why settle downward? Especially since a new gen means all the old banned Pokemon are going to be free to roam?

>>26285256
Fuck off we don't need another bulky grad starter hell they all been bulky except Sceptile. We need a fast offensive grass starter.

>>26284033
It's not weak to electric because grass resists electric. Learn to Pokémon.
>>26284059
What is Mega Charizard Y?

>>26282730
>thinking it won't get Insomnia

>>26286014
A minor, rather easy mistake to make given the multitude of types and combinations. Still doesn't change my outlook on the little guy save for some crazy new ability or move.

>>26282434

>Compound eyes
>Hypnosis
>Special attacker
>Hurricane
>110+ base speed.

He would be pretty good then.

>Uses powerful kicks
Maybe it becomes Grass/Fighting?

Defensive typing hardly matters if he's fast enough and can hit hard enough, look at Wevile, that dud has like 40 weaknesses.

>>26286014
>What is Mega Charizard Y?
That's my point.
Regular Charizard was widely considered a shitmon due to its Sneaky Pebbles weakness to the point that people claimed that the typing was a death sentence. Then along comes Gen 6, and we get TWO Fire/Flying mons that are actually competitively viable: one of which happens to be on EVERY TEAM THERE IS.

Typing alone does not doom a Pokemon.

>>26286239
At the very least, there's a decent chance it'll stay Grass/Flying, but get Fighting moves in its movepool.
Flying Press is possible, as are Low Kick, Low Sweep, Jump Kick, High Jump Kick, Rolling Kick, and depending on whether it grows any arms when it evolves, maybe even Sky Uppercut.

>>26282434
>oh no it's weak to poison moves!!!!!!!! throw it in PU immidiately xD

/vp/ in charge of playing the game

>>26282434
Gale Wings equivalent with Grass moves.

>>26282434
>What would make this pokemon OU other than good stats and a good ability

Have you ever played Pokemon?

>>26286186
>compound eyes
>implying owls are bugs

Remove flying type, give levitate

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I think it's going to evolve into a Ornimegalonyx like owl. Most grass starters are based on extinct things so why not. It's like a 4 foot owl with long legs, and flightless. That may mean final evo is not grass/flying, but maybe grass/fighting.

>>26282434
>everything must be ou meme
Stop you retard!

Give it a feather version of fur coat and decent atk stat

>>26282434

We don't know every move nor ability yet, therefore impossible to answer right now.

>Gen 6
>Protean
>Magician
>Bulletproof
These abilities didn't exist before, maybe Gen 7 starters will get brand new abilities altough if owl gets a mega it'll be Gale Wings.

I can see it getting No Guard as a hidden ability, due to Owls' superior vision. No guard grasswhistle would give it a niche, as it won't get spore due to reasons above. Hurricane would also be good, but it sounds like they're making it a physical attacker, so I guess brave bird and maybe power whip?

>>26282434
Moody + 130 SPD

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>>26282434
>mfw it gets Keen Eye or Big Pecks

>>26282434
Ability like thickfat that halves electric and ice damage

Grass is generally a hard type to pair with. However, Grass/Flying does have some benefits.

Grass resists Electric while not resisting Rock, is SE, potentially turning away potential checks, as well as hitting popular Water types SE. and Flying covers Grass' Bug weakness and gives it a solid resistance against Fighting and immunity to Ground. Flying is relatively uncommon save Talonflame, who Rowlet has no business fighting anyway, again with Poison offensively and arguably Fire. Apart from a few specialists, these types are rarly encountered in coverage. By far the worst problem is Ice, but would you keep Talonflame in on rocks? Or Tyranitar in on a fighting type?

It could either by a fast physical attacker (hoping so with that description) or even a solid tank/defnsive pokemon, what with immunity to powders, and potential access to Roost/Leech Seed/Giga Drain.

>>26282434
An evolution or two would help

>>26283655
it gets no guard

>>26284279
Yes I think he was very clearly implying that you brain dead mong

>>26282434
>70 HP
>110 Attack
>60 Defence
>85 Special Attack
>90 Special Defence
>115 Speed
>Tinted Lens
Probably wouldn't push it into OU what will Bravest Bird being there, but it'd be pretty good.

>>26284162
TTar exists and is still good despite a million weaknesses.

>>26289954
TTAR has 600 bst, technically 700~ because of all the bonus special defense from the sandstorm

>>26287275
Kecleon had Protean.

>>26289909
>>60 Defence
JUST

>>26282434
Defensive stats, Prankster.

Acces to Roost, Leech Seed and Substitute.

>>26282434

I fully expect it to turn into some shitty pseudobulky grass type with a shite HA like Insomnia or Unnerve because John Gamefreak will continue to entertain the notion that simply putting stats into its Defences will make it a defensive Pokémon.

I'm guessing Litten will turn into this season's semi-useful starter as it looks like it might become speedy as hell.

>>26282434
Maybe it's hidden ability will be reckless?

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>>26290061
>Acces
>Implying being whimsicott with roost and worse defensive tying would make it OU

Broken tree: takes no damage from super effective hits and heals half the amount of any damage dealt

Believe me, you don't want to know how many answers that question has.

Gamefreak isn't stupid. They can give him whatever ability and stats they want. Hell, they could give him 200 in every stat and Wonder Guard if they wanted. That's purely hypothetical, but I just want to prove the point that if they WANT him to be strong, he will be strong, regardless of his typing.

>>26282434
wonder guard :)

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80/130/110/0/100/120
Ability:
Sheer force

>>26290653
Justice Owl was random even for Fairy Tail

Bulky stats and then HA is thick fat

>>26282728
Kicks with its feet
Let's hope it gets close combat then show me your "walled" now

Remember when everyone thought Talonflame was going to be shit because of it's typing and then once the game came out and they found Gale Wings it became a staple in OU?

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grass/psychic mega

>>26282434
>Starters in charge of being OU ever

If it sees upper UU, that would be a miracle

>>26282434

a mega evolution that's anything but grass/flying

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OP fucked it up, each starter has a BST of 530.

100
90
80
110
80
70

HA: aerilate

This is a realistical stat spread, I think. I thought of it as a special attacker, but you can just swap spa and atk and go physical. Definitely not OU material, but It's usable.

>>26290772
>what is blaziken
>what is greninja
>what was Venusaur in BW
>what are mega chars, although being mega I don't think they count

it will probably end up with serperior style garbage of being a fast wall

>>26282434
Either good speed, attack and movepool or Spore as egg move. Other than that, hidden abilities.

>>26290810
>realistical
meant realistic

>>26282434
Best bet is to give it Thick Fat and/or make it's stats OU material. It'll obviously get Brave Bird, not sure about it's Grass STAB move. Though Grass/Flying does get decent coverage against Bug, Grass, Fighting, Rock, Water, and Ground types.

>>26282561
>Unless they get rid of its Flying type for the final evo then...

Stealth Rocks are the Meta. you shall not be Fire, Bug, Ice, or Flying type. or you will be nigh unusable.

>>26290826
>forgetting the OG Infernape in gen 4 that did it without a gimmick ability

>>26291003
Sorry, I jumped on the competitive wagon during 5th gen.

>>26282730
>thinking it won't get overgrow

>Tinted Lens/Serene Grace as a hidden ability
>Quiver Dance
>Hurricane/Air Slash
>Giga Drain

give it prankster and spore

instant ubers

>>26290810
>BST of 530.
No they dont. grass starters typically have the lowest BST by a few points, Venusaur/meganium having 525 for instance.

>>26290901
>Genesect
>Volcarona
>Weavile
>Zapdos
>Thundurus
>Talonflame
>Charizard(s)
>Gyarados
>Cloyster
>Galvantula
>Scizor

>>26284085
>>26284007
>pretty quick
>fast sleep

>105 speed
You're retarded as fuck if you think 105 speed is high

Rowlet and Heatran have pretty good synergy.

Give it a high speed, sniper, focus energy, and aeroblast.

Multiscale ability
High def and sp def
Slightly higher than average HP (around 85-90)
Decent physical atk to take advantage of brave bird/a new move thats a stronger razor leaf

>>26290014
Not in gen 5 he didnt. How retarded/underage are you

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>>26291063
What is HA?

>>26291245

I skipped Gen 5 and thought its HA came out at the same time like it did for the others.
You're right, my mistake.

>>26282434

82/65/90/115/80/103

With a good hidden abbility it would be pretty good in the lower tiers. Quiver Dance would most likely land him in BL.

>>26291453
>him

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>>26291453
>special attacking grass type
>even making it to BL

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>>26282434

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>>26291453
>the flavor on the site specfically mentions using leaf knives (physical) an kicks (physical)
>makes Special Attack the primary attack

>>26291898
Daily reminder that GF totally didn't expect people using Aegislash as special attacker.

>>26291961
I mean, they gave it 150 Special attack and Shadow Ball/Flash Cannon, it had to occur to them at some point.

>>26292010
Masuda clearly said that in an interview. I'm also fairly sure they didn't expect Nidoking to be primarly a special attacker.

If we go with BST of 525 as usual for final evo, here's how I would go about it:

>HP 90
>Atk 105
>Def 60
>Sp.A 95
>Sp.D 60
>Spe 125
>HA: Speed Boost
>moves of note: Agility, Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Leech Seed, [insert signature owl move here], magical leaf, brave bird, high jump kick, sleep powder, roost, low kick, fly, air cutter, Hidden Power, extremespeed, baton pass, substitute, fake out, night slash, feather dance, hypnosis, some other moves fitting for owls

Give it the right nature, IVs and EVs and we're looking at an owl that could easily out-speed a ton of shit and be quite useful as well.

>>26292182
Well that's what happens when you barely give something any moves it can abuse it's intended attack stat with and give it a fuck ton of coverage in the other attack stat. Giving it Sheer Force to boot when it barely has anything Physical to abuse it with was just retarded

Gen 1 movepools were a mistake and a blessing in disguise

>HP 90
>Atk 115
>Def 70
>Sp.A 75
>Sp.D 70
>Spe 115


Swords dance/Brave Bird/Acrobatics/Power Whip/Wood hammer/Jump kick/leech seed/ roost

Speedy seeds or just give it aerilate/gale wings

>>26282730
If you think it's going to be anything but Infiltrator you're pretty bad at things.

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>gets shield dust

>>26282434
Stats something like
>HP: 80
>ATK: 120
>DEF: 70
>SPA: 80
>SPD: 70
>SPE: 120

With attacks like
>Leaf Blade
>Brave Bird
>High Jump Kick
>Night Slash

With an ability like
>Bypass protect effects

Or something.

>>26292446
>Gen 1 movepools were a mistake and a blessing in disguise
we have to thank the special/physical split for that

Fucking goddamn people it WON'T GET HIGH JUMP KICK

HJK IS A KNEE STRIKE. AT BEST IT WILL GET JUMP KICK. MAYBE EVEN CLOSE COMBAT.

>>26283389
I'd like a 'mon based on this and I'd want one as a pet

>>26282868
>>26283234
>implying it won't get EQ or Close Combat and push everyone shit in

Remember people, it's based off a circus act. It'll have moves and abilities related to that.

>>26282730
This. It will. Strong starters are popular, they've given 2 fucking megas to Charizard to make him usable and Blaziken, Greninja and Serperior are all strong and popular. It will get Gale Wings, it's written everywhere.

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Final evolution will resemble this.

Only the HA can save it. Good stats will mean nothing to Ice Shard.

>>26282434
Good speed, and then either a good support movepool or a good offensive movepool with decent offenses and a HA that supports whichever of the two it gets.

Grass/Flying doesn't kill it dead, it just needs to be fast and have something to do with that speed.

>>26291003
>forgetting swampert, the OG OU starter

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I just realized i'd love a Grass/Fighting final evo based on swords and kicks
It would be weird to lose the flying type, iknow, but i dig the idea
> jump kick
> leaf blade
> stone edge
> overgrow / HA : Super Luck/Tinted Lens (like hoothoot)
> mfw never

>>26282434
High base speed and SpAtk, No Guard as HA, learns Sing and Hurricane naturally.

>>26294147
There's this cool thing, called Chesnaut

>>26294294
as much as i like Chesnaut and know another grass/fighting's not gonna happen (who said fire/fighting?) i like the idea
But of course there's also Breloom

>>26282730
>powerful kicks

HIGH JUMP KICK COVERAGE

>>26293807

Fucking nothing uses ice shard you idiot.

>>26282434
Stats:
120/75/95/100/85/65 - BST 540

Hidden Ability:
Tough Claws

Core moves:
Roost
Agility
Swords Dance
Nasty Plot
Brave Bird
Acrobatics
Leaf Blade
Grass Knot
Petal Dance
Air Slash

Other viable moves:
Tailwind
Night Slash
Steel Wing
U-Turn
Parting Shot
Feint
Giga Drain
Foul Play
Extrasensory
Sky Attack

>>26282646
>perfect neutral stab barring Steel
Zapdos walls it too

Still might be good if it gets good offensive stats and HA, Steel types and Zapdos will be a problem but other than those it has good neutral coverage and it's easy to make up for with the rest of the team

>>26283576
Jumpluff, lilligant, and more are not "poison like" or whatever.
Rowlett could easily get powder moves and spread them with its wings the same way butterfly/moth Pokemon spread them with the scales on their wings.

>>26283564

As long as it gets some type of viable priority, I would actually use this but probably in UU.

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>>26284381
>Grass is bad defensive-wise (and highly relies on the second type), meh offensive STAB unless you can abuse it like serperior; it's not a must-have coverage like ice, ground or rock.

Good news

>>26294599
>Bulky
No

>All this Reckless posting
welp

HP: 82
Atk: 120
Def: 81
Sp.Atk: 85
Sp.Def: 60
Speed: 112

Ability - Tough Claws

Moves:
-Acrobatics
-Brave Bird
-Close Combate
-Extremespeed
-Iron Head
-Knock Off
-Leaf Blade
-Play Rough
-Shadow Sneak
-U-Turn
-X-Scissor

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>>26294916

>Tough Claws

fuck me

>>26293308

Shield Dust is actually a pretty good ability, it's just that all of the Pokemon that get it are crappy Bugs.

>>26292182
I'm glad nidoking is a special attacker. This game has way too many physical attackers, and for once the stupid gen 1 kaiju movepool isn't a waste.

>>26293321
>infiltrator now gets past protect/detect/mat block

How does the meta change?

>>26295128
Stallfags go on suicide watch

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>>26295128
Considering Noivern and Chandelure can both get it.

>>26282434
>horrible typing
>no good base stats or ability
what are minmaxxed stats?

>>26282841
>Donphan

>>26295128
noivern replaces talonflame as birdspam of choice in doubles
chandelure becomes god tier again
crobat stallbreaks even harder in singles
spiritomb might become not so shit

>>26294749
If you insist.

Stats:
105/45/90/115/50/135

Hidden Ability:
Intimidate

Moves:
Quiver Dance
Roost
Giga Drain
Energy Ball
Air Slash
Dark Pulse
Extrasensory
Hyper Voice

>>26294742
>light melts ice, light evaporates water
>both resist light

what

Shiftry with Compound Eyes and Sleep Powder

>>26295378
Why such low attack?

>>26295381

>light evaporates water/ice

No it doesn't. Light isn't heat. Ice and water reflect light.

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>>26295318

>Donphan in OU

>>26285282
>just switch in your flying type multiple times!

I don't know about you guys, but I'd drop the special attacker thing. The bio did say it attacked with kicks and pointed leaf feather things.

HA: Regenerator/ Clean Up (New OP ability that clears entry hazards. The pokemon with the ability would take damage from the hazard, then at the end of the turn would "clean up" the hazards.)

70/110/90/75/75/125

Brave Birb, leaf blade, jump kick, swords dance, Double Edge, U turn, etc.

GIVE ME CRITICISM TO HELP ME MAKE THIS BETTER

>>26295605
Why would it get regenerator? I understand it would be good but like, how does it make any sense? Owls don't regenerate anything

>>26295625
Why does Meinshao have Regenerator?

I hate the fact that a non-stab ice move from anything ohkos this mon. Pokémon the have x4 weakness make me sick and should not exist.

>>26295605
Also since I fucked up on the math, make that SpD 65

why are people so adamant about removing its flying/grass typing. regardless of how shit it is for defense. its really unique for a starter.
owl is probably gonna be physical or a supportmon with glare, screech, moonlight, leech seed, whirlwind

>>26295555
You asked for an ice shard user

Nice quads btw

>>26295625

>owls dont regenerate anything

It's a grass type. It doesn't need any justification beyond that, it inherently works, like static on an electric type or technician on a fighting type.

>>26282870
I imagine Rowlet using Blaze Kick and igniting into flames and burning to ash before the move even connects.

>>26295673
its a bird whose origins is from a tropic region. i know pokemon stretches the rules when it feel like it but it makes sense to hate the cold

>>26295747
rip UU birb

I can't wait for them to make a ice version of Stealth Rock and give it to the seal.

>>26295673
Pretty much. Weakness/resistance stuff should be toned down in general for more interesting mechanics and strategies.

>>26282434
Smogonfags are the worst. I hope popplio becomes greninja 2.0 and Rowlet gains truant on it's final evolution.

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>>26295673

It doesn't you shitlord. Notice the 0 defense investment here.

>252 SpA Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tropius: 272-320 (80.2 - 94.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252+ Atk Donphan Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 196-232 (57.8 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 SpA Quagsire Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tropius: 284-336 (83.7 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 SpA Tyranitar Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tropius: 280-332 (82.5 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage
>0 SpA Zapdos Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tropius: 236-280 (69.6 - 82.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>212+ SpA Expert Belt Gastrodon Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tropius: 120-144 (35.3 - 42.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

(STAB)
>68 Atk Mega Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 244-292 (71.9 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after hail damage
>252 Atk Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 268-316 (79 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>252 Atk Cloyster Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Tropius: 228-268 (67.2 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

It may not even have Tropius's modest bulk, but again, this is zero investment against common builds. You people are talking out of your ass.

Fast phisical sweeper with Acrobatics, Swords Dance and some phisical signature grass move.

Basically a grass Hawlucha.

>>26296155

Why did it take almost 300 posts for someone to actually do some calcs

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HA Thick fat
sick defenses
low health
pain split

>>26296211
You know why.
People want to be right without putting forth the effort.

>everyone thinking Rowlet is going to be a speedy attacker

I 100% guarantee his final evo's base speed if going to be under 100. Someone please screenshot this and call me out if I'm wrong.

>>26282522
It's going to stay grass flying. I bet they're going to do another double triangle again.

Grass flying
Water fighting
Fire Rock

I reckon anyway

>>26282434
High speeeeeeed

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>>26296254
>sea lion clown
>Water/Fighting

>oily fire cat
>Fire/Rock

>>26296275

>oil
>rock
>he's never heard of petroleum

Iron Fist for Kicks, give it a Grass Type signature kick move, Blaze Kick,and Brave Bird. Middling speed (which is like 90-100 now after power creep) and high Att. Like the highest offensive stat of all three starters.

>Rowlet = Att
>Litten = Spd
>Popplio = balance, bulk + SpA

>>26296288
>petroleum is weak against fists, metal, dirt, and water

>>26296234
Not aiming to be spiteful, but I'm done it. I am curious which direction they go but I would not be surprised by a bulky, slower owl or a speedy, stealthy one for the final form.

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>>26296369

He would have more rocky elements, but he can still keep the oil via that theme.

Also Pokemon lose their gimmicks all the time when they evolve. Braixen loses its matchstick meme as Delphox.

>>26296234
It's lightest starter, absolutely tiny and all its descriptions mention how fast it is.
Puffy =/= fat

Being bulky guarantees this thing being shit.
The only bulk this thing should have is good HP to deal with the recoil from it having Reckless.

>Implying Rowlet has shitty typing and yet Charizard is the same
>Thinking tier battling is good

Smogon and it's autism can GTFO.

>>26296829
Is a shitty typing and your owl is going to be shit, sorry anon.

>>26296863
>4x weak to ice vs. 4x weak to rock
And yet everybody sucks Charizard's dick.

>>26296775

>Reckless

Why do people keep saying this when Tough Claws is literally better and fits

>>26296829
Fire type is a very useful attack type, not defense. Grass is neither.

>>26296970
Fire is good defensively. Pebs hold it back.

>>26291760
>disregarding specially based grass types
Aren't you just being a contrarian?

>>26282434
Thick Fat+good status moves. Thinking 100hp/85atk/90def/100spatk/105spdef/60spd at most, but give it stuff like Trick Room and Hypnosis and it'll be somewhat usable. Niche teams maybe.

>>26296970
Grass has an amazing status/defensive/support movepool that non-grass mons almost never have access to, also it counters water which is one of the most common types specially for walls. 4 weaknesses isn't the end of the world.
Fuck off.

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>>26293807

Hey there.

>>26296950
It's just rare to see Tough Claws outside of Megas. Only one line has it.

>>26297035
Literally every nonlegendary, non-mega grass type dedicated special attacker is horrendous.
Grass types already have terrible movepools. Special attacking grass types have nonexisting movepools. It has a chance at actually having a movepool if it's physical.

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>>26282632

I agree that x4 is fucking dumb.

How would you feel if Pokémon with a x4 weakness just got it reduced to x3 in Sun and Moon. Would that make them more appealing to you?

Rowlet will never be OU. It's not even fully evolved. This thread is stupid.

>>26297129
That would actually be awesome period. Problem is, it would buff all the Dragon/Grounds and Dragon/Flyings that they wanted to nerf in the first place.

>>26297154
Ice type moves would still have the potential to OHKO, or take a massive chuck out of them though

>>26297186
Garchomp, for example, often runs spreads investing a little into bulk and running a berry to survive Ice Shards or things like that. He might would be able to jump a speed tier if he didn't have to invest and relied purely on the berry. But maybe it won't be as bad as I think, idk.

>>26297062
Grass types are also immune to powders and shit

>>26296296
Please don't just give Litten "Speed." Look what happened with Serperior, it took 6 years for that thing to get good

People suggesting thick fat are the same people who think solid rock is a good ability.

Bst 530

tough claws

HP 83
Atk 123
Def 66
SpA 82
SpD 70
Spe 106

Wood Hammer
Power Whip (yes, unrealistic)
Close Combat
Acrobatics
Brave Bird
Roost
Sword Dance
filler Grass moves

There.