How do you feel now that Sun/Moon will be the last Gen 6 games?

Guaranteed replies.

>>26198773
I know we're all getting caught up in the new game hype, but there are still plenty of things to discuss besides starting flame wars on a chinese cartoon website's Pokemon spinoff board.

>Sun/Moon

>Gen 6

what even is logic

>>26198785
What flame war? I thought it was a well known fact that SM are the last Gen 6 games.

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>>26198895

I love this meme

>>26198951
How is it a meme

It's like saying calling BW2 Gen 5 is a meme.

New Pokémon doesn't mean new gen, shitposters. If it acts like B2W2 did then it's not a new gen.

>>26198773
Oh I like that fanart

>>26198987
I forgot that B2W2 added new pokemon, my favourite is Shytpostah!

>>26198987
loool yes it does new pokemon = new gen

>>26198987
But new pokemon absolutely means a new gen? That's what it means.

Bw2 are completely different they didn't introduce any new pokemon.

>>26198773
I thought this idea vanished because of the owl? Why are you still around?!

>>26199010
BW2 wouldn't be considered a new gen even if it had new Pokemon.

If you want proof look at the Cactowlfags. None of them argued it was Gen 6.

>>26199027
What does the owl have to do with SM being gen 6?

>>26198773
Does everyone forget that Pokemon itself said adventure in a new region with a new generation of pokemon if that doesn't mean gen 7 idk what does OP

I'm glad they're finally going to release the other half of gen 6's dex. It was stupid that XY only had 70 pokemon.

>>26199040
Those that believe in a Gen 6.5/that Sun and Moon are Gen 6 stopped posting when the owl became spam worthy, but now for some reason they're back.

There's only one thing to do now. Zygarde vs the owl, FIGHT!

>>26198773
I'm not sure which is worse, gen 6.5ers or owlfags.
Owlfags are exceptionally dedicated trolls but 6.5ers actually believe the shit their spewing. So I guess that means you are the worst But don't worry, not by that much

>>26199067
Its because they are the same people
Notice when the owl was being spammed to hell and back, 6(.5) fags pretty much disappeared. And now that owlfagging is dying down, 6(.5) fags are suddenly returning
They just get bored of one shit post and move to the other every so often.

>>26199087
Owlfags are worse because the owl is fake. At least SM being gen 6 actually has truth to it.

>>26199092
>EVERYONE I DISAGREE WITH MUST BE ONE GROUP OF SHITPOSTERS

Are gen 7 fags really this delusional?

>>26199087
Implying they arent the same people. No one actually, unironically thinks SM are still gen 6 or, worse, the 6.5 generation. No one is that dumb. People who believe it fish for (you)s and want to troll.

I am all for an owl as a starter but I would be super surprised if its the one that was posted here.

Either ignore the threads, hide the threads, or sage the threads. Don't feed their egos and when the see they dont bother people, they'll fade into obscurity like slugfag and shitposters of yester-meme

>>26198963
Cuz sun and moon isnt called "x2y2"?

>>26199169
And BW wasn't called "Grey"

They're allowed to change naming patterns you know. And it still relates to XY because XY -> Z -> Zygarde <- Earth <- Sun/Moon

>>26199192
>using this kind of "logic"
https://youtu.be/3MTMEIUwPcA

>>26199103
I'm going to petition to replace the current definition of irony in the dictionary with your post.

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>>26199214
it's hardly a stretch. Especially with the blatant colored hexagons in zygarde's chest.

>>26199103
Except I don't disagree with owlfags per say, I always play neutral on leaks that haven't been 100% proven or disproven yet. But its obvious the ones spamming it are shitposters

>>26199233
https://youtu.be/xwdba9C2G14

k

>>26199233
Zygarde might well have a spot in Sun and Moon, but we know its in a new region, new pokemon and most important, new legendaries. Best chance 6.5 fags have is a Zygarde post game, but it still stands that its gen 7.

>>26199257
New pokemon is enough to make it a new generation. They aren't forme changes and get their own new national dex number and were not available in data prior to release of a third installment, etc.

SM can even revisit Kalos like Gen 2 did for Kanto. It's still Gen 7 and has been since they introduced Magearna and showed the bird.

>>26198823
I think it's because it's usually first two games of a gen, then remakes, then the third version. Granted, it was only in the 3rd and 4th gen, but it's a possibility.

>>26199257
>>26199273
same battle mechanics and compatibility make it the same gen.

>>26199295
Incorrect but you can certainly believe that if you want to.

I don't know what to think anymore. The matter that when I went to look for the official descriptions of the Zygarde forms, I couldn't find them. I wanted to know if 50% is capable of being formed from one core. Now I don't know, but it also makes me believe...perhaps it was irrelevant after all?

>>26199291
Wasn't even like that in 4th gen, HGSS came after Platinum.

>>26199087
Both are the same people.

>>26199295
No

>>26198773
Gen 6 is the worst generation since 1. Get over it! 6 is irredeemable garbage and they ended it prematurely because it's just that bad.

>>26199333
Zygarde is just like the Playstation 3, absolutely no game.

Also, nice internal dubs followed by trips.

>>26199347
nice meme, kid. 6 was the best, generally, they've gotten better every generation. only an edgy contrarian would think otherwise due to nitpicks like gen IV slowness

>>26199303
Never find, I found it. The language of the English version is confusing. Some of the entries only speak of one core, but the entry for the core itself speaks of more than one core. I know in Japanese, there are no plurals, so that would be inconclusive, too, and might have resulted in this translation error. It's design seems to reflect the matter in the anime that there are two cores. Are there more than that? Why would it predominantly reflect the red and blue ones, then? I would need a better look at it's four snake arm things.

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>>26199358
lmao but Anon, the PS3 actually got games after a while, Zygarde isn't.

>>26199360
>Your usual mediocre starting games with no third version to fix them

>Two of the most godawful piece of shit "remakes" I've ever seen

>The complete disappearence of postgame

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>>26199358

>>26199380
Indeed.
Zygarde is more like the Xbone.

>>26199055
I only watched the trailer twice but I am 93% certain that they don't use the word region.

>>26199380
holy shit rekt

>>26199360
I enjoyed playing Y and Omega Ruby, but I wouldn't say gen 6 is the best. With the main series becoming 3D and with diagonal movement, that's pretty cool. Though XY's story seemed weaker than the previous gen. Pokemon cries were ruin, colors were washed-out. Seems like too much hand-holding as well.

>>26199369
The Pokemon website itself mentions multiple cores, not just two. That and my guess for the Red/Blue snake arms is because it's two cores that are in use now that are red/blue. Truth be told, it might be two cores needed for a perfect zygarde kind of like how you have sentai combinations if only because of the colors, but I can't say for sure other that they aren't and won't be anime exclusive as much as people don't want them.

Sun and Moon is obviously gen 6/6.5
>Same system as XY
>Different overworld
>New Sprites
>Trade/Battle compatible with XY

>Inb4 new Pokemon!
Doesn't mean a thing.

>>26199449
>>Same system as XY
So BW/BW2 are gen 4?


>>Trade/Battle compatible with XY
Hasn't been confirmed. Plus when has there ever been a game with new pokemon that could trade/battle with a previous Gen?

Not gen 2, the time machine didn't allow the new pokemon in there.

>>26199405
Yes the only thing I can find is "new world" on the Pokemon English website, and let's face it B2/W2 were a new world because they had whole new areas and gyms. I am not saying it is gen 6, I want them to be gen 7 so we can put this gen behind us but the only evidence we have is one new legendary and a model of a bird and that isn't enough to make a decision at this time. Once we know the starters are real I will support gen 7 but until let's remain skeptical.

simply epic

>>26198773
really? the last? 3ds came out like.. 5 years ago.. and we are juuuusssttttt starting to get better games and a wider library.. what does /vp/ think the next system will be?

Seriously guys...
WHY THE FUCK MATTER WHICH GEN IS IT?
Please stop, this fight is annoying

Just three days until all this faggotry end.

>>26199449
>>Same system as XY
Gen 5 says hi.

>>Different overworld
Again, Gen 5 says hi.

>>New Sprites
If anything, this means it's Gen 7, but whatever.

>>Trade/Battle compatible with XY
Pokemon.com says that you can transfer Pokemon from XY/ORAS to Sun/Moon through Pokemon Bank; Trade compatibility is unlikely and still unconfirmed.

In conclusion, you're full of shit, so fuck off.

>>26199449
>Battle compatibility

How the fuck would they do that with all the new pokemon.

>>26199540
ORAS has "Kalos Rules" which prevent Pokemon from using Mega Stones and new moves introduced in ORAS that aren't present in XY, but still compatible. It's because of this that they think new Pokemon don't mean anything, and Sun/Moon can still battle against players of XY/ORAS.

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HE HAS NO STYLE

HE HAS NO GAME

ZYGARDE IS SO FUCKING LAME

>>26199540
>new pokemon
Like who? The one Gearsomething that I can't remember? OR/AS says hi

>>26199534
Gen 5 had a different overworld.

>>26199565
Magearna, the woodpecker, the box legendaries, and the no doubt over 100 other pokemon retard.

>>26199010
Mine's Keldeo.

>>26198773

I hope it's OK. I'm not looking forward to it desu and I doubt it's much better than ORAS and XY. I'm more looking forward to the next gen on the NX handheld already.

>>26199575
What box legendary? You got pics?
>a model of a pokemon that we don't know anything about
what "100 other pokemon" again sources?

>>26199586
Kaldeo was not legally obtainable in BW but still in BW's data.

but cool, goalpost like all other 6fags do

>>26199606
>What box legendary?

lmao the ones from coro coro that were blurred out? Those? no one cares about your shitty green snake faggot, get over it.

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>>26199619
these legendaries?
>omg so hype
it'sliterallynothing.png

>>26199606
Unless you're genuinely retarded, you know that we are getting an entire set of new pokemon like we do every new gen, which is the only time we get new pokemon.

>>26199641
Yes, those. The covers of the next Pokemon games that have no green in them anywhere.

>>26199417
I don't disagree with these points but I wouldn't call them reasons to be dissatisfied with the overall experience. Color me a perfect target for marketing, but the new features like Amie, Super Training, improved Random Wifi Trades and Battles as well as all-new Pokemon, Mega Evolutions, music, characters, a unique attempt at different story themes (Delta episode) and especially ORAS, DexNav in itself is enough for me to count 6 as my top.

>>26199393
nice memes, you sound genuinely underage saying that. Mediocre is not the right word for XY, even with the criticisms considered. You might have found them underwhelming but mediocre is just not fair to those gems. I'll give you the lack of postgame, but with the improved wifi and online communities/funcionalities, i wasn't concerned much with it, I got sick of a million legendaries in DPPt so I guess if that kind of extra quest is your thing hey go play ORAS with the hoopa rings.

Still, for a board that scrutinizes Pokemon out of love and enjoyment so much, I would suspect you lot to be the biggest critics of the series the way you act sometimes. Generally, the games get better in some way every gen.

>>26199661
@Zygarde's chest

>>26198773
>redeemed
But every gen 6 game has been better than anything from gen 4 and 5. What's there to redeem?

>>26199566
Gen 5 had a different overworld style only when it came to the people. Otherwise, the tile style was very similar (albeit more detailed). But they literally reused Pokemon Overworlds from HGSS.

>>26199652
Your argument hinges on the idea that we are getting anything other than Magearna, and we simply don't know that we are.

>>26199661
I don't see how lack of green is meaningful in any way

>>26199690
>Your argument hinges on the idea that we are getting anything other than Magearna, and we simply don't know that we are.
Masuda confirmed on Pokenchi that there are more than ten new Pokemon, dumbass. There's also the bird they showed in the reveal Trailer, too.

>>26199690
New mons argument doesn't hold ground anymore because how OR/AS did things.

>>26199575
>no doubt over 100 other pokemon

that's a pretty stupid assumption to make considering all the concept art was full of old pokemon and they haven't officially announced a single new pokemon for these games. (no, magearna doesn't technically count because there's no sugi art or in-game screenshots)

I would bet there's less than 60 new pokemon in this game and it focuses mostly on old ones.

>>26199701
>Masuda confirmed on Pokenchi that there are more than ten new Pokemon
>they only have 11 new Pokemon

>>26199701
Stop, Anon. You're being baited. Ignore 6fags. They goal post and ignore actual official confirmation.

>>26199690
Except we saw the bird so we know that we are. Also Masuda said there will be over 10 new pokemon and only a retard would think that the box legendaries are going to be old pokemon.

>>26199706
There were only new formed introduced so the ORAS point is beyond moot.

>>26199707
Could be, what is certain though is that it's a new gen, as that is the only time new pokemon come out.

>>26199706
No ORAS did not have any new pokemon.

>>26199725
New forms that were the first to flat out break some compatibility as well as new abilities and moves. It isn't moot at all. They can pretty much add whatever the fuck they want mid-gen now.

>>26199732
stop clinging to your patterns. Until ORAS new gens were the only times new abilities and moves came out.

>>26199725
They break compatibility as much as whole new mons would do. What did they do with those? Ban them from battling with X/Y. It's not much work to do that, even with ~100 new mons/forms introduced in S/M. It's literally just a filter.
Now don't go "b-but forms aren't mons" because in the argument of battle mechanics and battle compatibility, they are interchangeable. This argument is for this generation only, though. OR/AS did some weird ass shit with this.

>>26199725
Weren't all the new megas billed as new pokemon in or/as? I was just looking for it, I seem to recall that being the case.

>>26199717
The bird is literally just a model who knows what it is.

>>26199713
(Going to site you so that everyone knows what I am pointing out)
the 10 new pokemon could be magearna + 10 mega evolutions, again unless I am mistaken about how megas were billed in or/as

>>26199745
>New pokemon
>new box legendaries
>official sources say gen 7 and "next generation"
>the ad pretty much spells it out that this is the next gen when they went down the list of when gens come out and then say this is the next one

Only logical conclusion is that its a new gen. Which it is and which everyone will call it. You'll be a retard alone calling gen 7 gen 6.

doubles

>>26199782
6fag here, but don't argue against new mons. There is no point in doing so.

>>26199782
Is that really what you're hinging your beliefs on? That Magearna is the only new pokemon despite us already seeing the bird and how obvious the box legendaries being new pokemon are? Well ok, you'll stop believing it's gen 6 when they inevitably reveal more pokemon.

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>>26199832
He's wrong in believing that there'll be like no more mons introduced, it's obviously around ~70 or something, though we've discussed before how that doesn't matter much.

>>26199832
I don't even WANT them to be gen 6, but there is not enough evidence that they are gen 7 right now. As soon as we see something other than Magearna and that little bird in something other than <maybe being developed right now> I will stop saying "let's wait"

>>26199666
Can't say I care much about the online features since Showdown exists. I miss trying to conquer the Frontier with a ragtag team of bros and Random battles just don't cut it.

>>26199867
>not enough evidence

lol you would've been saying the exact same thing when G/S was first confirmed, right?

New Pokemon = New Generation
Same Pokemon = Same(current) Gen

>>26199867
Everyone and every site is labeling it gen 7. Seems it's pretty obvious to everyone.

>>26199891
New Pokémon is a consequence of a new generation.
A new generation isn't the consequence of new Pokémon.
Literally what do you think comes first in planning development?

>>26199903

New Pokemon = New Generation
Same Pokemon = Same (Current) Gen

>>26199892
If everyone said "there is 100 new pokemon being added to generation 6 with the release of S/M!" you wouldn't be asking why they did this? At least then we would have some sort of information, all we have now is half-statements and blurry images of nothing.

>>26199885
What was the hype to G/S like? I was like 12 or some shit at the time all I knew was "fucking score new pokemon" I think the first time I ever heard the word "generation" in relation to pokemon was when Black/White came out

>>26199380
>ps3
>anything worth playing
I wish this meme would stop

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>>26199917
>blah blah blah I CAN'T HEAR YOOOUUU!!!

>>26199922
The single image of a new pokemon was all anyone should have needed. New pokemon only come out when a new generation comes out. Let alone them explaining it in the ad.

>>26199944

New Pokemon = New Generation
Same Pokemon = Same (current) Gen

>>26199867
Its a logical conclusion to everyone except for you, Anon. If GameFreak was truly planning some grand 3rd version they wouldn't

>tease the covers
>outright show Magearna
>show a new bird being designed
>release them THREE YEARS after X and Y without saying they weren't a new gen
>have no 3rd version games being shown when they were showing all of the games leading up to Sun and Moon
>cock tease and hype stuff in CoroCoro
>not clear it up by now to avoid backlash

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This thread is indeed interesting.
Very, very interesting.

I'm pretty sure why people made up this whole gen .5 shit is because they got cucked by there being no Pokemon z

>>26200002
Its literally the same people.

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>>26200002

Yep.

Reminds me of when people skipped BW for Grey. At least Unovafags still got their superior games.

>>26199990
>unless I am mistaken they ALWAYS tease covers even with B2/W2
>I don't know how a pokemon being displayed is any proof
>platinum came out two years after diamond and pearl, was it announced as a follow up, I legitimately don't know
>this is maybe valid
>don't they always?
>backlash from who?

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>>26200063
Do people legitimately believe that everyone expected Z, especially when patterns repeated from 5th gen lead a good amount of people to believe there was gonna be two more games, coupled with muh Pentagon evidence?
Yeah obviously Z was so realizable and so was Delta Emerald / Yellow remake
>>26199999
Fucking nice

>>26199999
jesus fuck those numbers

>>26199999
And so was your get. Damn you that should have gone to Cirno!

A new Pokemon, even 1, defines a new generation. A new generation of POKEMON, not a new generation of compatibility, "game mechanics", the ability to trade, no, of Pokemon.

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>>26200127
It wasn't intended, I'm a mobilefag at 5am y-you see

>>26200151
munchlax lmoa

>>26200002
no, the gen 6.5 stuff started when people saw how few Pokemon XY had.

>>26200151
I'm hard pressed to find anyone who considers Gale of Darkness not a gen 3 game.

Nobody would consider Platinum or Emerald a new gen if they introduced only one Pokemon.

>>26200176
Could you get Munchlax in Gen 3? No? Ok then faggot.

>>26200185
>Nobody would consider Platinum or Emerald a new gen if they introduced only one Pokemon.
Except they didn't. They only made Pokemon otherwise unavailable through legitimate means obtainable through, you guessed it, legitimate means.

>>26200185
>side game

He's trying, boys.

>>26200151
This could be worded better, but it still makes perfect sense. When people hear "new generation of Pokemon" the first thing they think of is new Pokemon. All of the other shit is irrelevant without POKEMON in the first place.

>>26200214
>Except they didn't

But if they did nobody would consider them a new gen.

>>26200237
But they didn't, and it hasn't happened. Whats your fucking point?

>>26200245
>muh patterns?

>>26200178
This term was reinforced by Youtubers claiming that "6.5" meant that it was a new mons expansion pack in a way.
This could be seen as true, but as there cannot be a .5 scenario ever, it would still be gen 6 in that case.
Sun and Moon being gen 6 isn't impossible, it just requires you to think outside the box and not be completely lost in thought of the new mons.

>>26200245
But if they did, nobody would consider it a new gen. My point is that new pokemon = new gen is retarded logic and wouldn't work in practice.

One new Pokemon doesn't change the fact that the ENTIRE REST OF THE GAME is the same gen.

>>26200259
Except if the new Pokemon isn't fucking available in the game it means that it's a "next gen" pokemon

>>26200278
>Except if the new Pokemon isn't fucking available in the game

But if they are available in the game it's still a same gen if everything else is the same gen.

>>26200278
Key word: if
It's like you can't read or you can't understand that to get a certain argument across you have to make an if statement, because some of you are stubborn as all hell

>>26200302
Oh did I make you mad? I'm sorry how about I give you some milk and cookies and tuck you in bed

I wonder how much traffic this board will lose after Monday's announcement. Zycucks and 6/6.5 fags are going to mass suicide. Owlfags too.

Maybe the board won't suck for once.

Joking, it'll still suck but with those shit lords gone it'll be much quieter.

Yeah, point taken, 353.

>>26200364
I'm all for gen 7 but I seriously doubt Zygarde won't play a decent part in Sun/Moon.

>>26199360
Lets compare Gen 5 and Gen 6, shall we?
G5
+Above average story compared to other games
>B2W2 had alot of postgame
+More difficult than the rest of the series, other than Plat
-Excessive amount of Legendaries
-Shitty Legendaries
+Large amount of new Pokemon
+Nice buff to bug type
-Weather Wars
+Moving, vibrantly colored sprites
-This is ruined by wacky camera angles
G6
-Incredibly easy (Elite 4 Members with 4 Pokemon at all times, Tierno's Roserade has one move
-"Rivals"
-Too few legends
-Zygarde is a crappily designed legend imo
-Gen 1 pandering out the wazoo
-70 pokemon
+Nicely designed pokemon in there
-No postgame whatsoever
-Drab, washed out colors
+3D models
-Framerate issues
+Customization

How exactly does it always get better as it goes on? I'd say it [pokemon] reached its high point with the latter half of Gen 4 (Pt and HGSS) and then the entirety of Gen 5.

>>26200388
Wouldn't mind zygarde being a post game thing desu

>>26200259
But GameFreak, who know full well what people would think, HAVE NEVER DONE IT FOR THAT VERY FUCKING REASON.

>heh, you retards wouldn't consider it a new Gen if it had 2 regions, would you?

No, because that would cause confusion. SO IT HASN'T BEEN FUCKING DONE.

>>26200259
>But if they did, nobody would consider it a new gen

They haven't for that very reason, to not confuse people.

>>26200422
>>26200436
What the fuck does it have to do with confusing people? They don't give a shit what generation people call it. It literally wouldn't be any more confusing than the new shit ORAS added.

>>26200257
>Sun and Moon being gen 6 isn't impossible, it just requires you to think outside the box and not be completely lost in thought of the new mons.

As opposed to being completely lost in thought of SM having the same graphics and battle/trade compatibility with XY when there's literally zero evidence of that being the case? New Pokémon have always equaled a new gen, it's far more likely that will continue to be the case than us getting new Pokémon mid-gen for the first time in 20 years.

>inb4 muh patterns

It's patterns vs. literally nothing. I can predict man will make contact with aliens tomorrow, if they do that doesn't mean I'm smart, it means I'm lucky. A stupid guess is still a stupid guess even if it turns out to be true, gen 6 fags have NO FUCKING EVIDENCE so there's no reason to assume it's the case. Possible? Sure. Probable? Not remotely. All but confirmed? Absolutely fucking not, you delusional fucks.

>>26200467
Well said. I like you, anon.

>>26200467
>zero evidence of that being the case?
There's plenty of evidence. Gen 7 fags just keep brushing it aside as "U-UNUSED DATA!"

>New Pokémon have always equaled a new gen, it's far more likely that will continue to be the case than us getting new Pokémon mid-gen for the first time in 20 years.
Just like new abilities and moves always equaled new gen

Until ORAS happened. We've been through this.

>>26199029
Because no one believed that stupid cactowl shit! BW2 was BW+2, so it was obviously the same gen. S&M are OBVIOUSLY gen 7.

>>26199066
Kek, that's a very cute delusion anon.

>>26200513
>>26199192

>>26199095
I think you have that backwards anon. Sun and Moon are gen 7, and the owl is real.
>>26199092
I think this means you're wrong. They aren't the same people.

>>26199295
Smogonfag detected! This has been debunked.

>>26200576
Yeah! Fuck those smogon fags for actually caring about the GAMEPLAY!

>>26200547
Pretty sure it's, SM is gen 7 and owl is fake

>>26199449
Actually, new Pokémon means new moves and abilities, which means new meta, which means very little to no compatibly.
>inb4 someone mentions primals/moves/abilities in oras
Those were probably hell to patch up, just like Giratina, Rotom, and Shaymin forms were in Platinum, and 20 megas, 3 moves, and 3 abilities are understandable, but a whole regional dex, nope. You just got btfo with common sense anon.

>>26200643
They didn't patch shit for ORAS.

>>26200490
>just like new abilities and moves always equaled new Gen.

The only people who say that are 6fags. That's not brought by anyone but you cucks. It's always Pokemon. Not moves, mechanics, compatibility, unused data, etc.

>>26200467
and what evidence actually supports gen 7>
>magearna -ehhh?
>model of a bird -could literally be anything like a fucking statue in the game for all we know
>my box art -literally nothing
>masuda said! -that megas were billed as new pokemon?

>>26199565
ORAS didn't have new POKÉMON. Just megas. Magearna is a legitimate new Pokémon, new dex number.

>>26199669
>worse than anything gen 1
Fixed that for you anon.

>>26199706
>Speaking autism
What are you talking about? ORAS didn't have new Pokémon, so new Pokémon definitely still hold.

>>26200711
The fag must think Megas count as new pokemon

ORAS did add new Pokemon. New MEGA EVOLVED Pokemon. The issue with that argument is, Mega Rvolved Pokemon aren't given a nation dex number and thus only forme changes. There is nothing wrong with marketing calling them new since they were, indeed, new mega evolved Pokemon. The language is just dubious. New Mega Evolved Pokemon aren't new Pokemon though so ORAS technically didn't do shit.

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>>26199934
>Kingdom Hearts FM's in HD
>Not worth playing
Pic related

>>26200785
>ORAS did add new Pokemon. New MEGA EVOLVED Pokemon.
> New Mega Evolved Pokemon aren't new Pokemon

Make up your fucking mind

>>26200831
Read it again. It's extremely clear.

"Mega evolved Pokemon" is a fancy way of saying forme change. Their language was dubious, not incorrect.

>>26200583
>thinking smogonfags care about gameplay
Hi newbie.

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>>26200636
Nope. Gen 7 and owl is very likely to be real.

>>26200660
Oh, right, the trade setup just magically prevents trading items and moves that aren't in XY, and the pss just magically knows the opponent is playing XY.

>>26200745
Yeah, he must. That's why I said that.
>>26200831
Do megas suddenly add to the national dex? Do they have a number of their own now?

>>26200467
Top quality post, anon!

>>26200955
> Do they have a number of their own now
>>26200876
Also, no. It's clear they don't. Anon was t arguing they did. Anon was saying mega Pokemon in ORAS can't be used to disprove the gen7 theory (fact).

>>26199067
>>26199092
I'm one of the people who talked a lot about the generation stuff and I left /vp/ for a while before the owl shitposing, I came back like 3 days ago.

>>26200677
So what? ORAS proved they are willing to add new stuff that half breaks compatibility while still maintaining it. Having different compatibility is a huge part of what has so far been a "generation" as a group of games, along with new items/abilities/forms, Pokémon and region.
I'm not saying Sun and Moon will definitely be like this, they probably won't. I'm just saying it's an easy to understand concept and you should have got it by now.

>>26199934
The most offensive thing in this thread is this post. Holy shit my man you're fucking missing out. PS3 is gold.

So many effort and time squandered in a completely pointless discussion. That's /vp for you.

>>26199358
>>26199380
>>26199934
>>26201416
PS3 got Demon's Souls, Zygarde got Sun and Moon.

How are S/M gen 6?

G/S were gen 1.5.
It always bothered me when people referred to X and Y as gen 6 because it's really gen 5.
Smfh.

>>26201762
>I don't understand what people meant by ".5" even though it's been explained a lot of times

>>26201377
Bitch they did than all the way back in Platinum. It's nothing new.

Zygarde's story is over guys. Just get over it. Zygarde only appears in the anime.

>>26202570
Lol love that meme and retards who seriously believe that

>>26202566
Except it was different.

>So many people genuinely believing SM are Gen 6 games even though it's been debunked countless times the past MONTHS
>"New Pokémon doesn't equal new Gen", because fags will just move the goalpost every single time one of their arguments gets debunked
It's surprising how low the average IQ of this thread is. It's repulsive how stupid you all are. Actually taking the proper time to sit down and look at the differences, similarities, patterns and requirements for past games' placement in "generation number" will tell you what generation SM will be. New items, new abilities, new forms, new moves, new mechanics and new graphics has never been basis for the generations, all of these has been tampered with multiple times in remakes and third versions mid-gen ever since Gen 3, with each generation gradually increasing the amount of these changes every mid-gen game. Unused data has also never been an argument either, as it has happened multiple times before with other stuff like items, abilities, areas, dialogue, and so on. Furthermore, the argument of "compatibility" is fucking nonsense. Compatibility isn't based on literally anything other than GameFreak's own laziness. If they wanted, they could make all generations compatible with each other like how they made remakes and third games compatible with the introductory games of their generation, despite having new items, moves, abilities, forms, and everything else I mentioned before. GameFreak can at any time chose to get rid of the "compatibility barrier" between generations, and it wouldn't affect the way generations are numbered. Besides, if you take "generation" as a literal term, it means "all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.", which translated to Pokémon means "all of the Pokémon created and introduced at about the same time, regarded collectively". So no matter what other factors might play into it as well, new Pokémon always have and always will be a decisive factor.

>>26202637
New gen equals to new mons, anon. Even at that, it's a pattern that can be broken without consequences.

>>26202658
This. The thing is, a new gen so far was more than just new Pokémon. Introducing new Pokémon in a third version or B2W2 kind of game wouldn't have all of the traits every new gen has had so far, which is what set the generational pattern. Note that game generations, just like any other pattern, is fanmade, and Game Freak has been thinking outside of the patterns since BW. ORAS already partially broke the generational pattern. If they introduce new Pokémon without a new region it would break even further.

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>>26202637
>Besides, if you take "generation" as a literal term, it means "all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively.", which translated to Pokémon means "all of the Pokémon created and introduced at about the same time, regarded collectively".
Unless you're talking about the games themselves like we're doing now. Also ORAS is the first game that introduces new items/abilities/forms that break compatibility.

>>26202686
I wouldn't say generations are fanmade.
OR/AS is a huge exception and patternbreaker for like everything compatibility, 6th gen can't be compared to any older gens in that aspect.

>>26202698
>I wouldn't say generations are fanmade.
They are.

>OR/AS is a huge exception and patternbreaker for like everything compatibility, 6th gen can't be compared to any older gens in that aspect.
Exactly. That's the whole point.

>>26202730
I'm a 6fag, anon. Generation isn't a fanmade term. Check the D/P boxart, I believe. I know it might not be in the same viewpoint as our view of the word "generation", but it is the same word.
It's not like GF doesn't know about splits in dexes.