>/vp/ hates Lucario because of how much it is pandered to

>>26194431
>>Yet /vp/ loves Greninja

lurk more. There's even a Greninja hate thread in the catalog right now.

>>26194431
>/vp/ is one person

Yeah well guess what buddy, I hate YOU. Yeah I'm not afraid to say it. What are you gonna do about that?

Greninja isn't really pandered outside of the anime. It doesn't have a mega and didn't get in to pokken.

Charizard on the other hand, is probably the most pandered pokemon by GF, so it is pretty justifiably hated

Everyone seems to forget the time in which Lucario disappeared so that Zoroark could get the same treatment, and only come back when Zoroark failed to catch on the same way.

>>26194442

fuckin kek

>>26194442
Sorry I hurt your feelings, Greninjafag.

>>26194448
Kinda wish they had pulled that off. Zoroark is my favourite of the three. I know it's a bit furry but the design is cleaner than the other two and its gimmick is more interesting.

>>26194438
All I see are two Greninja praise threads.

>>26194444
A Pokémon being pandered is not a real justification to hate it. That just makes you a hipster.

>>26194431
>>26194452
Anti-Greninjafags needs to get the fuck out right now.

>>26194461
Perhaps you didn't read the OP????

>>26194452
Buddy you're gettin' me real riled up with that there potty mouth. You'll be wanting to watch yourself real quick I reckon!

>Charizard and Lucario are popular among the fanbase
>As a result, Game Freak logically gives special treatment to these moms to appeal to the fanbase
>Autists on /vp/ get mad that their obscure shot moms aren't given the same treatment

This board is as dumb as /v/ sometimes.

>>26194431
Speak for yourself I just think Lucario is meh. I actually really like Greninja and find its shoehorning to be disgusting.

I wanted to see it in the anime, but not like this.

Greninja isn't a total pile of shit?

>>26194431
Ninja Frog > Egyptian Dog

>>26194448

>Implying that wasn't a new coke scheme

Almost everything about Zoroark was designed to fail from the beginning.
>Ass backwards event
>Team preview ruining Illusion
>Worthless mono-Dark type compared to Lucario's once unique Fighting/Steel
>Disgusting hairstyle and makeup
>And the movie portrayal used one of the worst archetypes possible for selling a "badass" mascot to kids: Motherly figure.

Everyone on /vp/ is a hypocrit. There are literally no decent people in here.

>>26194431
Lucario's popularity was forced as fuck though, no one ACTUALLY likes him Gamefreak just wanted another mewtwo.

Greninja on the other hand, is actually a well liked pokemon without all the pandering. Also he looks cooler.

>>26194569
>No one likes Lucario because GameFreak panderes it too much.
>Doesn't realize GameFreak has pandered it so much because people actually like it.

>>26194431
You're forgetting the fact that Lucario is furbait and therefore liking him makes you a furfag. Also from a logical point Greninja is more useful in battles thanks to Protean.

>>26194569
>Lucario is pandered and I don't like it, therefore no one likes it.
>Greninja is pandered too, but because I like everyone else can like it too.
That's not really how it works though.

>>26194594
>Liking a Pokémon makes you a furfag
I'm pretty sure literally every Pokémon fan in the world is a furfag then, including yourself.

>>26194444
> Not mentioned Sm4sh

>>26194525
only 5 year olds like Charizard and god damn furfags like Lucario

>>26194612
>>26194594
>Got its own movie a year before its game came out
Yeah not forced at all guys.

>>26194644
Sm4sh has Pika, Puff, Zard, Frog, and Dog
All the pandering

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>>26194525
don't talk shit about my mothim ever again

>>26194662
Charizard has fans amongst both young and old parts of the fanbase.

And the biggest part of the fanbase that likes Lucario isn't furries, it's people who think he has a cool design.

>>26194644
Greninja got picked for smash before GF could even start shilling it.

>>26194644
he didn't need to, his quads did it for him

Personally, I like Lucario over Greninja
Lucario is at least a passable (if furry) design, that doesn't have a disgusting and retarded design element like a fucking tongue scarf

>>26194673
>Got its own Deus Ex Machina bond form and is the only one to have this
Yeah not forced at all guys.

>>26194525
Charizard is genuinely popular among the fanbase, Lucario was heavily promoted even before D/P came out.

>>26194525
Please, they gave special treatment to Lucario from the getgo. It was literally designed to be popular. It's not a coincidence that it got its own movie well before DP came out.

>>26195073
>Gamefreak HQ, 2013
>Guys, guys, Zoroark was a failure, who will become the new Lucario for Gen 6?
>Maybe a starter, Charizard sells well.
>Didn't Sakurai pick the concept of this edgy water starter for Smash? Maybe we can build on that.
>Brilliant, lets's call it Greninja, kids love ninjas.
>And it should get a customized black shiny and two signature moves.
>And a broken ability!
>Let's talk with the anime department. Make it the star of the show! A special form would be cool.
>And don't forget the merch, all that money.
>But doesn't all this pandering seems to be too forced? Are these kids so easy to manipulate?
>Nah, they will buy it, and most will think they have good taste, too.

>>26195323
>Didn't Sakurai pick the concept of this edgy water starter for Smash? Maybe we can build on that.
Thanks for repeating my point.

>>26194431
Literally the only popular pokemon that actually became popular by its own merits is blaziken; during its introduction there was no movie, no forced ability, it wasn't a box Pokémon, literally nothing. People just liked it and that's why GF pandered to it.

Greniggers are literal 10 years old that doesn't get how industry works, if you're actually convinced that Greninja only got in smash because sakurai liked it then you're retarded. At first, just think about it; they obviously had to pick the pokemon that was going to be pandered to death in order to sell, sell and sell. You think that if sakurai liked, let's say Feebas, then that was reason enough to work on designing, modeling, rigging and adding it to the rooster of a game with a pre-existing dedicated fanbase that has a terrible case of rooster-fag autism? Sakurai doesn't has the last word, he was aware of it and that's why he added it.

Sadly greniggers will never admit its forced as fuck and use more popular Pokémon like Zard/Lucario as a excuse of forced popularity just to hide their butthurt.

>>26194431
Lucario was pandered and hyped up right from the beginning, long before D/P. Greninja had been planned to be pandered and hyped from the beginning too, but the plans didn't get put into motion until Smash Bros was released. People had already grown to like Greninja on their own terms, even with the pandering plan going on in the back.

Greninja's not perfect, but at least people grew to like it before Gamefreak's plan to shove that shit down our throats was put out in the open.

>>26195073
>Implying it being picked for smash isn't proof they planned to shill it
Sakurai was just like "Gimmie a gen VI mon". He didn't get a look at the full dex and picked the one he liked, Greninja was picked by GF for him to use.

>>26195448
>popular by its own merits
It was introduced during the finale of the gen 2 anime and it defeated Ash's Charizard. I would consider that at least a little bit forced.

>>26195463
I could have sworn he said somewhere that they basically said "here's the starters, pick one."
But I'm willing to admit I just might be retarded, so.

>>26194431
i dislike neither of them, i'm a huge karanfag but unlike most of /vp/ i don't have any problem liking more popular/strong pokemon

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>>26194431
Please check the archives back in Late October 2013, also check out nearly every other page discussing Pokemon around that time. Nearly 80% of people loved Greninja. Even back then before the pandering and shoehorning he was the clear Gen VI favorite:

He didn't have a movie hyping him up; No special lore abilities; No Gym Leaders used him; He wasn't gifted to you by random trainers; side games didn't praise him as a god before his introduction, let alone even mention him; he didn't get any special merchandise; he wasn't in the cover for his game nor was he rare to obtain.

Yet despite that he managed to top every single Best Of poll.

Even >>26195463 is a blatant lie. By the time Sm4sh was in development, Gen VI wasn't out. During the event in which Pac-Man was revealed, Sakurai stated that this caused an issue in regards to which Pokemon from the gen they would add, because GF weren't sure who would stick. So they gave the Smash team lots of designs for Gen VI Pokemon and told them to add whoever they liked best for the game and they decided on Greninja. If they had thought Tyrantrum was a better fit for the game, they were free to add him instead. If GF had been involved, i'm 100% sure they would've added Sylveon instead, considering how it was the actual Pokemon they tried pushing in Gen VI, given the fact that it was the first reveal, had an anime special and served as the introduction of a new type.

>>26195203
You're missing the point though, Greninja was popular before Nintendo started pandering to him

I like Lucario but hate Greninja

>>26197212
Based on design perspective, it's the complete opposite for me.

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>>26195448

>One of the first pokemon revealed for Hoenn
>His introduction was beating the crap of the actual beloved starter in order to make you realize how cool the new stuff is

Kill yourself, Blazicuck. No pokemon has become popular on their own terms. but the closest to doing so was Scizor. Gengar kinda fits here too, though you could argue that he was prominently seen in most places and is one of the first pokemon you see both in the anime and the games.

In terms of earned popularity:

Scizor>Gengar>Greninja>Charizard>Blaziken>Lucario

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>>26194448

>>26194545 THIS. If they seriously wanted Zoroark to take Luke's place, they screwed absolutely everything up. It takes a special kind of retard to get literally everything wrong.

>>26194448
Zoroark could have been a hit IF he was actually able to be caught in BW conventionally, instead of with a bullshit event no one fucking did.

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>>26197871
You forgot the fact that they rendered his ability useless exactly in the same Gen where it was introduced.

>>26197394
>Greninja that high
>When it has a bullshit bond form

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>>26198056
That happened 2 years after it became popular, you insufferable retard.

>>26198339
So did most things relating to Charizard, what's your point?

>>26197915
At yeah that too, but it doesn't really matter when its basically inaccessible without injecting. I genuinely don't understand what they were trying to do with it.

>>26197201
According to an interview, Game Freak asked Sakurai to put Greninja into Smash Bros while XY was still in development.

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>>26198384
That's also why Charizard isn't at the bottom of the list. It's a list of Pokemon that got popular without particularly egregious amounts of push. Charizard for example, was very popular from the start, even before his anime appearance. It doesn't matter as much if they got pandered to later, because they proved they earned their right to ba pandered to based on the fanbases' demands.

>>26198453
I wish i had bookmarked the actual page that had the full transcript of the event, but this is not true. What Sakurai said is that, within the smash development team, they were given many Gen VI options to add to the game and they liked Greninja the best.

http://www.siliconera.com/2014/06/10/super-smash-bros-characters-decided-upon-early-development/

The link above simply paraphrases what was said.

>>26198431
At this point, i nearly believe they were trying to sabotage it or something. I mean, i can see them missing the mark in SOME points, but they screwed up literally every part of the promotion Zoroark had. Seriously, that's the most idiotic way of getting a pokemon i've ever seen.

>>26198628
Seriously, I thought the whole point of the pandering mons was so the kids can have their new age charizard but what's the point when literally no kid is ever going to own one? It makes literally zero sense from a marketing standpoint

At least they got it right with greninja by making it a starter.

>>26198628
I agree. Also, I didn't even know there was a way to transfer specifically Celebi and the shiny dogs, so I waited until I beat the game to do the events.

>>26198663
Does anyone STILL have the crown beasts? Seriously, if I was t to replay BW there's literally no way I can get one conventionally anymore. What a shit system.

i like greninja but i'm getting tired of it at this point

>>26194444
>Lucario on the other hand, is definitely the most pandered pokemon by GF

FTFY

>>26200099
Found Charizard!

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>>26200135
Not even a Charizardfag, but Lucario has been seriously shilled way harder and it's a fact.

Greninja isn't furry

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>>26200274
This. Greninja is a frog, which isn't common Furry bait, so 4chan betas can say they like Greninja without tallying as many weird looks as saying you like Lucario, Pokemon's own King of Furries.

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Pandering isn't why people hate/love Lucario/Greninja. It's more of the fanbases associated with them. I think the way they're marketed is a factor as well, Lucario is constantly pushed as an "edgy" Pokemon while Greninja is more of a "cool" Pokemon. Sorry for the buzzword.

Maybe people do hate because of the pandering, I don't know. That's a stupid fucking reason to hate a Pokemon, and it's probably the fags who go out of their way to love obscure shitmons like Cradily just so they can be unique.

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>>26200362
>Maybe people do hate because of the pandering, I don't know. That's a stupid fucking reason to hate a Pokemon

This. Nowadays i only choose faves based on the sheer strength of their design. I no longer care about anything else. If i took fanbases into account i'd end up hating absolutely everything.

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>>26200274
>>26200336
When playing D/P, Lucario became my fave mon. I didn't even know what a furry was.Now I do, and as a result hate 99% of its fandom. Existence and suffering are one and the same.

>>26200397
Yeah, this is really the best way to look at it

>>26200397

General rule, if it can be cute and serious, and given plenty of air time, it's a popular mon since it can pander to multiple people.

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>Average Greninjafag

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>>26200635
Literally anything can be "cuteified" though. I don't mind if it's appealing or cute or whatever, but i do appreciate well executed concepts. For example, i hate Frogs in general, but Greninja was so well executed that he won me over. Criticism should at least try to avoid biases.

>>26200686
>Likes highbrow music
>Goes to University
>Attends social gatherings
>Only cringe b/c mistaken for furfag.

As far as pokefags go, you can do much worse. Doesn't make him any less autistic though.

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>>26200841
Maestrofag plz go

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>>26194525
>being sick of Lucario getting shoved down your throat automatically means you want your favorite to get more attention

You're aren't any smarter, pal.

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>>26200686
>this happened only a few weeks ago
>I missed all of it
holy shit my sides

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>>26201149
Here's the full thread.

https://fgts.jp/vp/thread/26095214/#q26124043

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>>26201205
>>26200686
I bet that most people on /vp/ didn't see this because it was contained to a Greninja thread, therefore people who are not huge fans of the Pokemon would not go out of their way to check a thread they presume is mostly image dumps, only to accidentally stumble upon this gem.

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>>26201267
Better quality

>>26200414
>When playing D/P, Lucario became my fave mon
Congratulations, you fell for Game Freak's shilling hook, line, and sinker.

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>>26200933
>>26201149
>>26201205
>>26201267
I don't see what so hilarious about the situation, desu. I mean, it's a bit cringy, and the guy's clearly a pretty big betafag, but the entirety of the situation is dampened by the fact that he's just an autist among a group of autists in college. He didn't even end up screwing the plush in frustration or shit like that. Instead he just went on to spill some bland spaghetti one the Pokemon board of a North Korean Water Polo website.

>>26194461
Not listening to quints?

>>26200691
Valid point.

>>26195280
>It was literally designed to be popular.
So? It worked. If it didn't they'd have dropped it.

You're literally saying something is bad because people liked it. You know what that is, right anon?

>>26200686
>likes greninja
>is not a furfag
>still mistaken for a furfag anyway
Average Greninjafag, indeed.

>>26201342
>>26201342
The guy looked like he was trying to save face on /vp/, even quoting how he didn't even browse /r9k/. Judging from his tone, he's probably hiding something.

I'm certain he did far more lulzy stuff that he would tell here on /vp/, plushfucking likely being one of them. Seeing how desperate he was to clear up any kind of inference that he was sexually interested in Greninja either means he is trying to deny the fact to himself, and does sexual stuff by himself, or that he is just extremely awkward. Either way, there is probably much more to the story than what he was willing to choke out, whether it just be spaghetti-filled conversations or all out degeneracy.

>>26201633
Or he could just be a normalfag who happens to have a Greninja plush. All we know besides this is that he posts on /vp/, probably the most we can infer from his character.

>>26201643
A normalfag who happens to have a Greninja plush who saved a picture of a Greninja drawn by a porn artist? That's hard to believe.

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>>26201643
>That guy
>A Normalfag

Look, there's a chance that he's not an actual sexual deviant, but he definitely isn't a normalfag. He's an autist. Music autists are admittedly pretty bro, but they're still autists.

>>26201728
He WAS right about what he said. When you search for Sad Greninja, it's one of the top results.

>>26201728
He claims that it was taken from google images under "Sad Greninja", but to deliberately choose such a provocative image either represents a complete lack of ability to understand emotions or to be socially aware, or just a subtle lust that sits in the back of his head.

>>26201633
>>26201747
>>26201743
>>26201734
>>26201728

I feel like I'm sitting in the middle of a literary discussion trying to dissect the intentions of Holdon Caulfield or something.

Either that or a board of psychoanalysts.

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>>26201763
Holden did LITERALLY nothing wrong. The jews had to be exterminated for the world to prosper, but they didn't let him finish the job.

>>26201763
He's probably lurking this thread right now.
I'm sure if we ask nicely, he can tell us the details.

>>26194431

I don't dislike Lucario because it's forced down our throats. I dislike Lucario because it's shit-tier, edgy furbait that also happens to be forced down our throats.

Charizard, Mewtwo, Greninja, etc. I can abide because they aren't hideous, aesthetic abortions.

>>26194705
Man nigga

>>26200397
>I judge things based on how their design appeals to me rather than how other people perceive it
>people act like this is a revaluation
Jesus Christ people of you are just realising this I have bad news for you.

>>26202579
It's a very social and human like thing to agree with everyone else so you'll fit in right?

>>26202579
It might strike you just how many people base their perspectives on the perspectives of others, whether it be positively or negative.

>>26194662
Only five year olds hate Charizard, because it's popular unlike his (and yours, kid) favorite shitmon.

Greninja doesn't have fur.

That's why I don't hate it.