Is there ANY proof that they're OBJECTIVITY fake? If they're

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Mah nigga

>>26050552
Not yet, no. We're just presuming they are because nobody's heard of where they came from, and their art has minor mistakes in it.

>>26050552
What animal is that water type?
They all look cool, but this might be the first time I choose the fire type

Fucking hope not. I really wanted an owl as a grass starter. Parrots are for homosexuals.

I'm ok with the other two but still hope the red guy from the other leak he's real. The other seal can fuck off though.

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>>26050590 fur seal

So, someone waited long enough for something of relevance to leak (the copyrighted names) then decided to shoehorn their "leak" so it would fit those names, then presented them in a way that's been done before (Gen 5 starters evolutions leak) and called it a day.
And you want proof, anon?
But at least these are somewhat resembling of actual pokemon, unlike those shit cunt stains of the stupid owl and volcano turd that some retard has been spamming.

>>26050599
Wanting those fakes as real starters. Fuck off back to your mothers womb

R1. No source posted directly with the images? Ask for the source. Still no source? Fake. See R2.

R2. Leaks nowhere to be found but 4Chan? Fake

R3. 4Chan? Fake.

>>26050611
I like the owl. Would rather have it than this unoriginal as fuck parrot.

I don't like the other two though. Not as starters anyway.

>>26050552

I can see the bird turning into a cool grass/rock grounded raptor thing, and the cat would turn into a fire/electric tiger. The seal could turn into a really elegant water/fairy Dewgong kind of thing, with dress/lace-like fins, etc.

Being leaked after the supposed name leaks is too suspect, though. Maybe if it was before. The art is also flawed just at a glance- the ball things on the bird's beak are off center, the cat's eyes are lopsided and the seal's head is too large on the right side.

>i don't know how burden of proof works

>>26050630

The owl was way too plain and bland as fuck. It didn't even look like a fucking Grass type. At least this parrot has leaves and cherry shaped cere.

Burden of proof is on the person making the positive statement. Meaning that these starters are fake until proven real.

>>26050552
The ears on the fire thing.

The wings on the water thing

>objective
Either they're objectively poorly drawn that a few people could figure this out in several minutes after posting vs dozens of guys in months?

>>26050668
Wings? Those are flippers

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>>26050552
>Is there any proof that they're OBJECTIVITY fake
>they're OBJECTIVITY fake
>OBJECTIVITY

Praying you're foreign, can't even believe people have responded to this without calling this out. My eyes are bleeding.

>>26050569

We aren't presuming they are. Don't speak for me, bitch.

That shit is real.

>>26050552
This is real
Ash will pick the grass flying (proof he loves flying types in xy and serena will pick the cute circus water/ice type
edgy fire starter for rival

>>26050778
>Serena

6.5 fag pls go

>>26050552
The eyes on the cat arent even the same size, come on. And don't say "perspective" because the seals head is even more tilted and his eyes arent completely fucked like the cat.

Best fakes ever

>>26050552
>zodiacfag pandering

That's definitely fake.

>>26050552
At least these look better than the ones with the owl

>>26050773

You should be presuming they're fake until proven otherwise. Have you learned nothing from the many, many other fake leaks over the years?

>>26050552
The burden of proof lies with the accuser, dear shitposter

Meaning these are fake unless proven real, not the other way around

>>26050792
Yfw serena change her outfit again after kalos league to prepare for new region

>>26050552
>mimicking the frames Unova starter evos were leaked on, but not bothering to make the drawings colored like the anime art instead of sugi art
fuck off

>>26050627
Fuck off Joe

>>26050843
Yeah, the fact that this using the same presentation technique, when the guy who leaked the Unova evos got in legal trouble is a huge red flag.

Ashimari is so beautiful i really want to it to be real oh lord :(

>>26050668

>The wings on the water thing

Fins. They are called fins. I think. Or flippers. Maybe. I think fins are on fishes. This is a mamal.

>>26050710
>>26050868
You're missing the point. These designs have several pictures of different poses. And there's dozens of guys going over them for months before they become the perfectly marketable tool. These drawings aren't that. These drawings are poorly done. It's that simple. Also what's the point of replying when somebody else has already replied and said the exact thing you just said? I get that a lot more on /vp/

>>26050868

Honestly I thought it was a bird at first. I still think it looks bird-like.

>>26050552
They all look like shit. That should already be enough proof to say they are fake.

Mokuroh seems to get and pre historic bird form evolution. Guys this is true

>>26050843
this
The guy shilling these fakes is probably the one who drew them, like owlfag

>>26050890
Yeah, people are like "Oh my lord V wing not H wing huhuhuhuhu im a fag"

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>>26050552
if this disproportion isn't enough for you to prove it fake then you are retarded

>>26050885
Water/Flying incoming

>>26050906
>what is perspective

I hope someone's making a collage of all the fake starters (fire bear, waterbirb, headwings, down syndrome owl, etc.). Will be interesting to see when the actual starters are revealed.

>>26050914
There is a difference between pespective and this horrible error anon, please go get some art class or something

>>26050552
>objectively
Might want to look that one up anon.

LMAOOOOOO

I still remember when /vp/ was in denial about the Gen 4 leaks that turned out to be true

The motherfucking faggots trying to find flaws in "prespective" (sic) and coloring looool

and when they turned out to be true they had to kill themselves out of shame

but they came out of their fucking cave again looool, these are real, deal with it

>>26050914
Perspective isn't an excuse for sloppy drawing.

>>26050906
Proportion was literally the most spammed argument against Hawlucha.

Not telling you are wrong, but definitely you should find better reasons to convince people it's fake. The fact that it comes from 2ch or that they came right after the name reveal are way better arguments.

>>26050925
>I still remember when /vp/ was in denial about the Gen 4 leaks that turned out to be true
>The motherfucking faggots trying to find flaws in "prespective" (sic) and coloring looool
Pics or it didn't happen.

>>26050914
You dumb nigga, why would the eye be smaller but the ear bigger? There's no "perspective" where that happens you drawing class flunkie

>>26050552
Another starter with bubble glasses

>>26050914
this

Why is everyone anonymous an art expert, what is this phenomenon

>>26050934
Don't remember proportions arguing about hawlucha but more number of feathers per wings, also, this disproportion is obviously an error from the shitty artist it comes from, nothing more to say.

>>26050925
Same happened with Gen 5 starters and the same happened with Hawlucha

/vp/ just calls everything fake, and then when one of them is true they knew it all long

>>26050906
The angle the pic was taken, fag yourself

>>26050925
>/vp/
>Gen IV leaks

Pics or it didn't happen. Spoiler: It didn't happen.

>>26050950
Yet again, angle and pespective do not justify the fact that the right part of its head is fucked up dumbass

The only rational argument against this, is the fact that the camera of someone working for GameFreams wouldn't suck this much

>>26050958
Tell me more michaelangelo

>>26050906
Maybe that print was a test of GameFreak and that part stretched a bit

>>26050946
>/vp/ just calls everything fake
this this this

Fake.

But the person who drew these has abilities. Bad ablities.

Screencapping all the posts saying it's fake, because this is Gen V 2.0

Someone got the image of /vp/ trying to debunk them?

>>26050977
>faggot "leaker" copies the Unova evo frames
>IT'S REAL IT'S REAL
Fuck off kid

>>26050552
What kind of bird is that supposed to be based on?

>>26050552
They look ugly, but legit. That's my argument. They must be fake.

Is sugimori style but the arts except for gen i - gen ii always get a bit different. Compair kanto starters with hoenn sarters or kalos starters and see it

>>26050969

Except just about everything IS fake. The Hawlucha situation is different because they happened once people had actual copies of the game - once that happens real leaks are much more likely. But at this point, so far from release, yes, it is safe to assume that *everything* is fake until proven otherwise. I'm not saying that nothing has ever turned out to be real, but the proportion of fake leaks to real is so high that it would be crazy to do otherwise.

>>26050967
this poorly designed thing doesn't come from gamefreak anon, they wouldn't make such mistakes and wouldn't print final artworks as test...

>>26050964
get your fatass off your dirty chair and get some art course

>>26050990
/vp/ lost all credibility when they said Serperior, etc. were fake-- and then lost it again by claiming Hawlucha was fake

>>26051000
>it is crazy to even try to analyze the situation, let's call it all fake
What a fucking idiot, you would be dead if you had a real job

>>26050993
Kakapo would be my guess.

>>26051000
Piplup (Tomer) this is you?

>>26051001
How do you know? You aren't GF

>>26051001
Draw something better and post it, prove you are such an art expert

>>26050906
Is it only me that can't see this "Wailord to Flabébé" head? Stop trying to fake real things just because you didnt like guys

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>>26051001
>art course
>"I learned so much in art history, here's why this drawing of a pokemon is fake. Look at how the angle makes the side of its face smaller! Everyone is so dumb!"
>Apply to the Art Institute™ now, and have the knowledge to anonymously critique art, and tell those uninformed, uncultured cis white males off!

Fuck off pleb, the "girl" named Xe with a pink mohawk and dimple piercings is your cohort. Let that settle in before you act high and mighty on your remedial art credentials.

>>26051021
RT

>>26051012

I'm not saying not to analyze the situation. I'm saying that it's logical to start that analysis from the presumption that these are fake.

people actually think these are real? holy shit

And no, before someone asks, I didn't think Greninja in Hawlucha were fake. In fact, my post is quoted in one of the screencaps by someone arguing with me thinking they were fake. I was indifferent about the gen 5 starters being real. But this is blatantly fake. There are drawing mistakes everywhere. And it sure is convenient how they come out right after people became aware about the trademarks.

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>>26051001
>this poorly designed thing doesn't come from GF

Right anon

>>26051035
>I was indifferent about the gen 5 starters being real
aka you thought they were fake but now you are too much of a faggot to admit it

>>26051035
>And it sure is convenient how they come out right after people became aware about the trademarks.
Exactly. These fakes were modeled after the trademarked names (grass bird, fire cat, water seal), which might not even be starters.

Can we all agree these are objectively better than the other fake leaks? Actually pretty good desu

>>26050552
I've been gone for a little while. Did these originate from 4chan, or did someone see them on another site?

>>26051042
rekt and kekd. Mfw >>26051035 is this anon >>26051001
>>26050958

>>26051042
no. I was just indifferent about it. I didn't think strongly they were real or fake either way. Sorry fakeleakerfag.

I just want Ashimari to be real finally a good water type starter

>>26051052
They're from here.

>>26051051
>My preference = objectively
every fucking time.

The word you're looking for is "subjectively"

>>26051035
>And it sure is convenient how they come out right after people became aware about the trademarks.

These ARE fake, but actually that point isn't entirely surprising. If these were real, the trademark registration means they're probably getting ready to reveal them (as in the Sun/Moon registrations), and right before the reveal is the likeliest time for leaks. I'm not disagreeing that these are fake, but this would actually be the least surprising time for leaks.

>>26051051
Yes better than that owl

>>26051056
>I didnt have an opinion

seems hard to believe by how you talk right now, you hardly seem the type to reserve judgment with your elated knowledge of what is fake and what isnt. And as if not having an opinion adds to your credibility. It would have been more admirable to take a position and be wrong rather than sit back and act like you were right regardless of outcome. Eat shit

>>26051060
>>26051051
Hes right you know

>>26050552
There's no source. They're trying to duplicate how an old leak happened.

Burden of proof is on those who claim they're real.

>>26051059
Oh well you know what they say about that then.

I mean, they look a little dopey, but at this point, I'm okay with just about anything. I just need some news. And if these turn out to be real, whatever. There's only a couple of starters that I ever really grew attached to, so I probably wouldn't use them anyway.

>>26051061
Except the public trademark registration notice was MONTHS ago. And people JUST became aware about them.

Serebii just posted, now deal with that

>>26050552
Hey guys im the one who actually made em. Just wanted to see your reactions xD

>>26051051
I got to agree on this one. Better than that lousy owl

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The first thing that comes up when you google "Wottergate" is /vp/ being wrong lmao

Wottergate, Hawlucha/Delphox, and now this

>>26051071
From where the gen v starters leaks came from? The person said it? I dont remember so

>>26051090
The worst thing is that the "paper" is identical, omfg these guys has tobe real mons i really loved then

thing that makes me think it's fake is that it's aping off the b/w starter leak
shame though, they look nice

>>26050552
>the first stages are nice looking
this isn't the first time we had this, they could still turn out to be shit.
just look at gen 5. retarded gannon ripoff. 4 legged monstrosity. and banana snake, probably the best one out of the bunch on account of not being total shit.

>>26051079
Prove

>>26051104
fucking retard

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>>26051014
Pic related.

This is bringing me back holy shit

person who did these definitely doing some call back with the framing

I dig the grass stater though, 10/10 would train

>>26051108
Yes, you are

I hope these are real
>Grass
We've got Torchic and Piplup. It's about time we got an avian grass.
>Fire
It looks like a tiger so the zodiac thing works,
>Water
So cute.

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>>26050552

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>>26051102
>4 legged monstrosity
Samurott is actually a good design though. It literally saved Oshawott

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>>26051111
CHECKD

THEYRE REAL

>>26051077

Fair point, I forgot about that. Never mind, then.

>>26051144
FAILED ARGUMENT TO NON-IGNORANCE

JUST BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN PROVEN TRUE, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S FALSE

>>26051068
lol here we go.

Just because other people have the same opinion doesn't make it "objectively" better/worse. If it's literally, "we like this better," and like being the operative word here, it's still subjective even if every person alive, and I mean a complete fucking consensus, agrees.

Because there could be a global consensus on say, the flavor from a certain brand of ice cream over another, but the preferred brand could secretly be killing everyone. Does that make that brand's ice cream "objectively" better? No because it's OBJECTIVELY worse.

Any PREFERENCE for something is automatically subjective. That's the whole point of the difference: fact versus opinion. And just saying "This one is better. That's a fact," doesn't make it a fact. You need proof and justifications. If you just say, "This one looks better," or, "I like the animal this is based on better," then you aren't anywhere near objective differences.

It seems that most people think adamancy has sway on how objective something is. "I really think this is true, so I'll say it's objectively better/worse."

>>26051146
I love all members of the Oshawott line. Samurott is my second favorite Pokemon. My favorite is Mega Blastoise.

>>26051152
You don't know that objectively means senpai

>>26051152
I appreciate your dedication anon but you're talking to a brick wall. Logic is absent on this website

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Fake cause serebii said is fake

>>26051148
Why this image, wtf

>>26051160
3/10 troll; I'm responding.

>>26051152
WHO IS GONNA READ THIS? WERE NOT ON TUMBLR

>>26051148
God damnit what is that

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>>26050836
She changed her outfit again? I can't look at Serena for three seconds without breathing fire so I wouldn't know.

>>26051161

Very true. See:

>>26051160 for example.

You give a pretty detailed explanation and the other person basically says, "Nuh-uh!"

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>>26050666
even satan think this owl is ugly,

satan is bro

>>26051190
Hey there buddy, you committed a fallacy

Argument to length: just because your shitty rant is long, it doesn't mean it's true

Don't worry, it's pretty normal to do that if you are into bullshit like Humanities and Social Sciences, but we in STEM don't let that shit fly

>>26051100
So because the B/W starters were leaked like that, that means no other starters ever could possibly be leaked like that? Nice logic faggot

>>26051215
it's more like "haha, if I do this then people will DEFINITELY believe me, they'll think 'it's just like b/w's starters"

>>26050639
>Muh special snowflake dual-types

>>26050552
Dislike the designs for every single one of them. The water starter is cute and it will most likely be my choice but damn if they are real.

They just don't really look like Pokemon, the faces especially. The way they're shaded and the way they eyes look, it just ain't Pokemon.

>>26051195
Isn't it about time we got an ugly grass starter? I had to wait till generation 5 for a water starter that looked as good as the Squirtle line.

>>26051179
>It's too long mommy my attention span is too short.
Alright kid I'll shorten for you:

Objective = perspective based on fact and outside of internal influence or preference
Subjective = perspective based on feeling, emotions, and aesthetics.

>>26051210
>argument to length
>just because it's long, it's wrong
>I don't get it/don't feel like reading it, so I'm going to make some stuff up and try to frustrate the other person
lol maybe you'll get me next time.

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>>26050552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2XqCzr2qpc

>>26051220
No, if anything it would make people less likely to believe it because most people on /vp/ have the same shit logic

>>26051243
doesn't mean the faggot that made them wouldn't believe that it makes it more believable

>>26051222
Wanting a dual type isn't in itself "special snowflake." It's just that monotypes have a tendency to get stale. It's hammering it into a mold a bit because it's isn't as cut and dry as, "They're bored with the same thing so any deviation is automatically obnoxious and unnecessary and just for the sake of being unique and recognized."

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>>26050610
This guy gets it.

Foxes aren't dogs and wolverines aren't rats. As well, Typhlosion isn't a badger. It's a wolverine.

>>26050610
While I completely agree with you, and I'm not all about the owl, it at least looks passable. It's just that now-a-days it sits right next to one or more abominations that you mentioned, that really emphasizes its flaws. I'm not saying the owl is real, or that I even want it, but it's not completely horrendous. But even if it whatever was in that screencap was real, the picture we have is just a fan interpretation of some lines.

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>>26050906
To the people talking about perspective, is this better? (Don't really know if those papers are straight in the first place but whatever)

>>26051260
>Fox Family = Canidae
>Dog Family = Canidae
Hmm. They share the same family. There's no way these are close enough to to make a leap like this.

If someone was trying to compare the same phylum or some shit, I would agree with you, but foxes and dogs are in the same ball park. It's the same shit with lions and cats. And in case you aren't aware, and since some other turd might tell me I have the "burden of proof" here, I'll leave you with this:

>Lion Family = Felidae
>Cat Family = Felidae

>>26051282
lol that image is only 1.36 MB, why is it loading so slow...?

>>26051282
how did you edit this

>>26050552
gen 1 and gen 3 starters were all great you faggot

>>26050666
>the owl was bland
Not nearly as much as this shitty parrot with a crooked beak.

Why do we need a fire tiger? We already have a fire lion (Pyroar) and a fire dog with tiger stripes (Arcanine).

Give me something new, like a fire ox or a fire spider.

>>26050552
Wtf is the water one supposed to be?

>>26050599

>Parrot is homosexual
>m-m-muh gay owl and fire rodent piece of rock

Fuck off owlfaggot

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>>26050552
Honestly, the only proof that they're objectively fake is how over the top they are in regards to their designs.

They outright shit on those other fakemons that are being paraded as real, so it wouldn't surprise me if these ones turned out to be the real deal.

>>26051282
All these 3 are fakes

>>26051318
A "circus applause sea lion 80's cartoon-like"

Obviously not real, but I prefer these over that forced retarded looking grass owl

>>26050599
wow just...

>>26051314
Refer to >>26051111

>>26051295
Perspective tool in GIMP.

>>26050552
>ITT: People don't realize that most people just like the newest thing, and shit on the older ones. And on the opposite side of the same coin, there are people who are "anti-hype," and just dislike things that everyone else likes.

>>26050552
I must say they've come a long way from their beta designs. Too bad Finn the Owl got scrapped, it would've been funny to see /vp/ rage at that.

>>26051361
Some people in this thread need to use that tool on their lives.

>>26051410
No

This is just a crypto zodiac vs anti-zodiac fight

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>>26050599
>parrots are for homosexuals

You wanna fucking go?

>>26051416
What are their names?

Berrot
Charkit
Sealeap

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>stewie griffin head on the fire starter

Hoping these are fake. Only the water one is passable

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>>26051317
>Lions are not on pair with tigers
>Shishas are just myths
We need an ACTUAL tiger pokemon faggot

>>26050906
>page is at a 3/4ths view and tilted back
>clearly that means it's gotta be judged as if it was straight up in front of the camera
Idiots

>>26050922
>>26050926
>>26050938
>>26050944
The CAMERA perspective you fucking idiots

>>26050552
Heres some proof
>Guy gets on here 1 am mountain time,
>Makes a drawing and says 2chan leaks just got deleted
>Same guy makes 2 threads of crappy drawing
>Makes 2 new threads posting his fake leaks
>no evidence of a deleted thread on 2ch
>no ones even mentioning it on 2ch
>Samefagging so hard all night
>wake up this morning and everyone beleives these obvious fakes.

Mfw when his "legit" leaks got taken down from 2ch but theyve been up on 4ch all night

>>26051500
/vp/ is an echo chamber.

>>26051237
When did vp get overrun by fucking Tumblrfags? Or do all kids act this way now?

>>26050552
I kind of like the way they look, but they don't look like pokemon. Something is off on the design and I can't put my finger on it.

Starters always bleed that "Sugimori" design, and generally the starters look like they couldve been made in any generation to someone who knows nothing about pokemon based on the artstyle.

>>26051537

Huh? It's never been Tumblry to point out holes in poorly made, idiotic arguments.

>>26051237
Except aesthetics can be objective

Open a book sometime, kiddo, Humans aren't special snowflakes, aesthetics are coded into your brain on a biological basis, and there are objective measures of aestheticism

>>26051551
>bleeds that sugimori style
>people have been saying this nonsensical shit for the last 3 generations only to be proven wrong

Fake until proven real, but theres no point in trying to disprove them, just wait.

>>26051468
Testirp
Notlitleo
Oshaseal

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>>26050552
Better than these shits

>>26051557
That's what Tumblr does.

>>26050552
the cade is so neat but are these the most overdesigned set of starters ever?
they indeed have too many details compared to the other 5 gens, basically they look on the same infernape and emboar empoleon greninja complexity tier design

>>26051600
Ashimari? Nyabbi? From where?

>>26051606

That's what anybody with a brain does, whether at Tumblr or elsewhere.

>>26050882
except these images havent been released officially. so who's to say these are final drawings?

>>26051600
lel these ones were and are sage tier trash

>>26050552
>Is there ANY proof that they're OBJECTIVITY fake?

Yep, they dont look anything like GF's style
That's too bad cause the real ones will probably be way worse than those

>>26051619
From the copyrights that were found a week ago

>>26051661

Trademarks, not copyrights.

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>>26051658
>they dont look anything like GF's style
pff

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Here's Froakke for a comparison

>>26051146

Tbh I'm sure people were expecting a humanoid samurai otter, not a quadruped mix between a sealion and an otter.

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>>26050627
HAVE WE ALREADY FORGOTTEN??

>>26051606
>someone doesn't just accept a shitty argument and a retarded opinion
>must be a tumblrfag
wut?

>Is there ANY proof that they're OBJECTIVITY fake?
so obviously timmy turner

also they look like boring ass

>people cant make fakes corresponding to recently leaked information

>>26050552
>OBJECTIVITY
This grammar makes no sense.

>>26051658
Kalos starters also don't but cause they didnt leak people didnt get mad. Just deal that it will heart less

>>26051565
Sure, when it comes to things like basic structure design and anatomical fundamentals, because otherwise buildings collapse and drawings look unnatural or hit the uncanny valley, or other "weird" things. But liking baggy pants or mid 20th century brutalism in commercial architecture isn't some kind of instinctual hardwiring. Preferences and behaviors are environmental, and most design is visceral and emotional. Basic psychology really.

So ideally I would like the final evolutions to be a Sabertooth Tiger,a Terror Bird/Moa and a leopard Seal

>>26050552

So basically:

That fire cat is going to end up on 2 legs and become furbait.

Grass bird will probably evolve and inexplicably gain 300 pounds.

Water seal's hat looks important, probably becomes some freaky headbutting walrus.

>>26051944

>implying the fire starter isn't going to end up being bipedal despite starting out on 4

See: Tepig, Fennekin, Typhlosion. Also Charizard, Infernape, and Blaziken are that too. Just how they are.

>>26052018
>Grass bird will probably evolve and inexplicably gain 300 pounds.
It looks like it's based at least loosely on a kakapo, and they're basically just walking meat sacks because they live on an isolated island with no natural predators

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>>26051749
>being this mad

Confirmed Tumblr

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>>26052055

>>26050925
Did you just come here to bait or do you actually think that happened

>>26052159
Im glad people are acknowledging this awesome flightless bird,perfect grass starter

>>26052145
>He disagrees, call him mad
That pic at least matches your tactics. lol

>>26052159
>>26052204
I for one would be totally cool with a flightless (not flying type) bird. It's not like it would be the first time, even though firsts are welcome. There's always a first for everything.

>>26051658
Eh. They're at least close. And styles change. Look at Gen 1 where every human and most Pokémon had DBZ eyes.

>>26052232
Kakapos are so cute and totally unafraid of humans. Look up the video of on shagging Stephen frys head haha

>>26052252
Yeah I'd totally train this. And if this was real, I wonder what all the "prehistoric animal pattern" fans would say.

>>26052252
>>26052280
They're pretty cute, but that cry... :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOex3nr_2Lo

>>26052280
Haha i know right?
I think it became a Moa or a Cassowary for its final stage that would be cool. Sabertooth for the cat one.The Seal,I'm not really fussed on.Maybe a leopard seal?

>>26052321
I'd be cool with all of these as well.

>>26052280
I'm sure kakapos or some close ancestor existed before people did. So did every fucking animal you could possibly base a Pokémon on. That's the retarded genius behind the "Grass starters are prehistoric animals" theory; virtually all major animal groups predate human history, so you can't prove it wrong unless it's a specific species that can be proven to have evolved in modern times. And even then they'd just pull a zodiacfag and find a prehistoric ancestor to that species and say "eh, close enough".

That's why they grasped at straws to consider Serperior "prehistoric" when they couldn't twist it into a dinosaur like they could with Torterra being a tortoise/ankylosaur hybrid. To them there HAS to be a pattern, and if they can't make the pattern fit anymore they'll come up with a new one. They can't accept that Game Freak bases starters on whatever the fuck they want and there's no grand plan. They're the definition of autistic.

>>26050925

What the buggers!?

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>>26052321
if they get the design right, the seal's final evo could be an epic elephant seal

>>26052159
It even fits in with the whole "flightless bird" starter pattern.

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>>26052405
That would be great.Would need to be a gender difference though.Leopard seals are based as fuck though

>>26052387
This anon gets it.

>>26050552
If it's fake, it was trying to hard to imitate Gen 5's leaks. And it seems to desperately want to cash in on the copyright leaks.

Don't really care whether this is legit or fake. The only leaks I trust are in-game blurry screenshots that are taken a few days before official release.

>>26052456
*too

>>26052474
Thanks, Anon.

If dubs, fire cat is real

>>26050552
the bird seems to be a bit overdesigned for a first stage starter, however the other two are pretty close to official art

not gonna believe real or fake until we get an actual source, though.

>>26051111
>>26051222
>>26052333
>>26050666
Confirmed Real

>>26051000
fuck off

>>26051025
10/10

>>26050552
PLS be real. These are really convincing.

>>26052387

Well, I'd think that Chespin would pretty much debunk that theory immediately. While there were definitely large porcupines around right when humans were first starting to get a foothold, thats not what Chespin is. All the grass starters up until that point WERE reptiles of one sort or another but Chespin being obviously mammalian in origin should thoroughly disprove the theory.

I'm cool with these

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>>26052620
Since you want to get technical

>that based as fuck seal
>reallyl like the designs of the other 2 starters as well

please be real damnit

>>26050552
I want them to be real but they're so obviously fake that it hurts.

>>26052159
>implying owls are parrots

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>>26050552
please be fucking real, I want all of them
>mfw fake

>>26052647
this is BS

>>26052647
You're reaching.

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>>26052657
But it IS an "Owl Parrot"

FAKE

marix20.deviantart.com/gallery/

Look at this guy's fucking style. It's the same.

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>>26052647

Perhaps I'm not understanding something. I thought the idea behind this theory is that the grass starters predate humanity - which they pretty much do up until Chespin - but those giant armadillos would've evolved right alongside humanity. Mammals only really started to show up a lot after the last great extinction and I would go so far as to say humanity was probably a direct cause to the giant armadillos extinction, just like everything else. Saber tooth tigers, wooly mammoths, giant horses, etc.

>>26051719
What a fucking ride that was

>>26052691
Looks nothing alike at all.

Why are you fags so desperate to try and "prove" this as fake?

>>26052691

Fuck

>>26051148
What the fuck, man

>>26052657

>implying you understand the name "owl parrot"

They're likening its nocturnal habits to owls, hence the name. Like, for example, the ant spider. It doesn't mean ants are spiders or vice versa, it means that they share characteristics.

Is it always the same gullible retards who constantly believe "leaks" are real without any proof whatsoever? Hype season after a game is revealed is usually fun but the past few months have been unbearable.

>>26050552
Holy shit the legs on the seal look like garbage. They would have been better off just leaving him with two forelegs/fins? and that's it.

>>26052159
There was a leak earlier in the week that mentioned a kakapo. It also had a fire squirrel and water elephant as starters.

>5 months before release
>We know nothing

Why are they doing this

>>26052647

Also I don't really understand why you'd equate Ferraligator to brass knuckles. There isn't anything in its design to support that so why?

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>>26052512

>>26050552
Posted a day ago on reddit.
My guess is horseshit but Idc either way
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/4g4dz7/my_younger_brother_is_part_of_the_problem/

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>Can we move on please? These shits are fake, end of story.

>>26052693
What you're not understanding is that patternfags don't operate on logic and reason, they operate on a desperate need to see patterns where they don't exist. The "idea" behind the pattern was that they were dinosaurs. Then they weren't, and instead of giving up they redefined the pattern. And they'll continue to do that every single time the pattern is broken because they'd go insane if there weren't order and structure in their precious Japanese moster-catching game for children.

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>>26052760
Yes.
They're all confirmed fake and shouldn't be acknowledge.

>>26050925

>/vp/
>Gen IV leaks

What you describe happened for the Gen V final starter forms but that's it.

Nobody wanted to believe Samurott or Emboar were real because of how shit they were.

>>26050925
>This post is not satire

Why would you embarrasses yourself again after making a similar post defending that bird water starter? And the 2 other leaks for Sun and Moon?

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>>26050977
>Someone got the image of /vp/ trying to debunk them?

I wish,that was prime denial.
That and the "Fairy will not be a type" fags.

>my fucking face when not only is Fairy real, but it was even called Fairy type.

>>26051500
Same guy is also shilling his leak by saying they are real. Probably TimmyTurner again.

>>26050552
These are so far the ugliest and most overdesigned ones I've seen. They're probably real.

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>Fire cat

Zodiacfags are the new cancer. Fake as shit.

These are the real starters. Those were just made in response to these just to water down the disappointment. It's childish because it's a way of ignoring reality.

>one has actual proof posted numerous times
>the other just came out of thin air and copies Gen 5 style leaks

HURR DURR HURR

Is everyone here an idiot?

The leaks for the Gen 5 starter evos did not have any sugimori shading or anything. It was just anime artwork.

These are supposed to be official artworks, but they don't follow the style, proportions are off, and the type of leak they were trying to accomplish isn't even correct.

>>26052796
Weepinbell?

>>26052712
but anon, you're desperate to believe these are real. You should be assuming it's fake until proven real, or do you believe every single leak that comes here?

holy shit there are so many fakes on this site all the damn time, especially around this period before new games are out and I mean it's a Pokemon board so I've just got to assume you're kids

this must have been b8, I've been had

>>26050977
Screencapping your post. Will go nicely with the other two leaks you said that shit.

>>26052842
>actual proof
ok, i'm genuinely curious. what's the actual proof besides "it came from 2ch"?

>>26052827
that's some shit taste desu senpai

>>26052772

How sad ... I definitely had my doubts about the Zodiac theory simply because they equated Typhlosion to a rat, which it obviously is not, but I didn't realize the rabbit hole went quite this deep. I really only come to /vp/ during leak seasons so I've only seen bits and pieces of the autism but I definitely remember when they were trying to prove Hawlucha was fake by talking about its feathers and this and that. Oddly enough though I don't really remember anyone trying to say Chespin was fake because it wasn't a dinosaur.

>>26052647
The only one here that could work is the Prehistoric Line.

>>26052796
Loved the fags that were like "yeah, there will be a new type, but they won't attack my masculinity by adding the word "fairy" to the type chart!"

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>>26052842
Post Your face when retard dog &co. are the real starters

>>26052827

>designs that look the most like the real deal
>they're ugly and over designed

Okay, just keep clinging to your ugly little owl anon.

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>>26052842
>These are the real starters.
It's not confirmed until it's confirmed

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>>26052881

>>26052842
Kill yourself owlfag.
https://fgts.jp/vp/search/image/UP1bNbxzypAq2IaxZWhPLg/

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>>26052881

I know for a fact they're not real but if by some twist of fate they were, I'd be legitimately shocked.

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>>26052842
>>26052881
It'd be the first time where I would hate all three starters.

>>26050552

I like how they're all pretty tropical.

Probably one of the strongest thematic reasons why they aren't real since the starters have never been visually thematically relevant to the area.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIV9AHG1jSc [Embed]
I choose rape bird

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>>26050552
What's with this mentality?
It should be "fake until proven real with sources", not "real until proven fake".
It's because people like you that we still have owlfags roaming this board.

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>>26052881

>>26052919

I mean gen 1's starters were all reptilian, so thats a theme.

>>26052945
Do you even know how to read?

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>>26051090
Except that Hawlucha and Delphox weren't revealed with margins made out of paper.
I think that if we were getting actual new leaks, it would be pretty improbable that they came in the same fashion as Wottergate.
Seems to me that some artist drew the mons and tried to leak them in the same way that other mons were leaked in the past.

>>26052971
That much is obvious. This is nothing more than leaning on a previous example to establish a link and, therefore, legitimacy. The only people who don't realize that are the leakfags who are retarded and gullible enough to want to believe everything.

Even the other three shit starter leaks, which are obviously fake, are more believable.

>>26052657
Kakapos aren't owls, they just look like one because of their facial discs. Even the name of the kakapo's genus is a reference to its owl-like appearance.

>>26050667
The burden of proof lies on you to confirm that the burden of proof lies on the person making the positive statement by your logic.

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>>26051719
>Mario looks like Mario
kek, so many people crying over Dr. getting back but not Mewtwo.
What pisses me off is that they finally got it back as DLC but it's easily the least used Sm4sh character.
>dat Dr. Mario render though

>>26053000
This. There are way too many buffoons on this board that think "if I like it then it must be real".

If I were thought like that I would've believed pic related and Somignon were real.

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>>26053059
but still, it is call the "OWL Parrot"

>>26052971
This whole situation is ironic. Because during wottergate every person thought they were fake because it was totally ridiculous something would get leaked on dubious paper and cardboard. Yet Serebii's seal of approval made people have to confront the possibility they were real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4RAX7n4fDQ&ab_channel=TyranitarTube

this might be real, names has been trademarked and they match up to OP's pic

>>26053148
>most of /vp/ is retarded
More news at 11.

>>26053098
I thought Mewtwo recently got a huge buff from the patches.

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>>26051944
Nope

Wait until May

>>26053148
People trashed Serebii like crazy for saying they were real though. It wasn't until CoroCoro, and even after, that people accepted.

Hell, Bulbagarden refused to put the part of CoroCoro with them in because they had a different page number to other pages featuring Black & White stuff, and so was "clearly fake"

>>26052919
>the starters have never been visually thematically relevant to the area.
Were have you been to be so wrong?
-Gen V's starters had cultural styles(Western,Chinese,Japanese)
-Gen VI's starters were based on RPG classes(Knight,Mage,Assassin)

>>26052842
Literally none of these are marketable in the slightest. The fire thing is absolutely hideous, the owl is poorly drawn, and the water thing would look stupid from any other angle. Also, two starters that aren't even based on something is unlikely. Name one previous atarter that isn't an animal.

>>26053175
A lot of characters got a bunch of buffs, but the meta hasn't changed much. Except that non-Zero Suit Samus is top tier now it seems.

>>26053234
>to the area

>>26050552
Well, they are fake

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>>26053170
>>26053230
>>26053251

THE FAGGOT WHO MADE THEM CAME OUT SAYING THEYRE FAKE

BELIEVERS BTFO HAHAHAHAHAH

>>26050829
How would you prove that your leak is real? If they had any official source, it wouldn't be a leak.

>>26053267
fuck off timmy put your trip on

Honestly I'm more interested in the implications of Sun and Moon's final evolutions for the three starters.

It's safe to assume the fire/fighting bullshit is over so where does that leave the next fire starter? Fire/ Electric perhaps? Maybe Fire/ Fairy?

Same with the Water and Grass starters, Grass/Psychic would be interesting and a Water/ Normal might nice.

Or gamefreak could throw a curve ball and make them all part fairy in their final evolution which would at least make fairy pokemon more attractive to main.

>>26051420
My sides.

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fake?

>>26053201
I mean that since Serebii was vouching for them, people had to pay attention to them at all and deeply analyze them instead of disregard them completely. And I simply brought it up to show that now we will totally accept a leak like this, with or without someone to verify it.

>>26053465
It's a kakapo, and perspective.

>>26053098
Please don't post that image. It makes me sad that we did not get that final evo instead of that pixelated blue lickitung..

>>26052647
Also, all fire starters are weaponry, a flamethrower.

The water line is completely retarded, if Swampert got leaked, you would say it is false, because how the fuck is that a weapon.

>>26050906

Perspective in both the art and camera angle you silly faggot

>>26050552
Hope it's pure grass, fire/fighting and water/steel.

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>>26053704
>It makes me sad that we did not get that final evo instead of that pixelated blue lickitung..
But the design is utter generic shit though. And Greninja makes MUCH better sense as a natural progression from Frogadier.

>>26050552
Fucking retards, if it was not proven fake or not it is "Unconfirmed", there is no reason to create a bias towards either side.

Since there are too many "unconfirmed" shit, most reliable sources only posts when it has some proof that it is true.

For now, it is looking more like false than true, considering that they didn't find any traces of it on 2ch.

>>26050944

it's called taking 2 seconds to stop sucking your mom's dick to look at the poorly shot drawing and realize "oh shit I'm a faggot and this is shot at an angle!"

desu~

>>26053876
I have to agree that it is generic. But my god, Greninja is horrible. That head. That tongue. No bubbles. Those godawful "pads" everywhere on it's body.

Just... No. Kill me please.

>>26050926
The mess my dick left in your ass is sloppy.

The execution in these are just fine

>>26053876
I actually think that Greninja looks good, except for the tongue-scarf, that is plain retarded on so many levels.

>>26053924
>No bubbles. Those godawful "pads" everywhere on it's body.
The "pads" are the remaining "bubbles". It doesn't have enough bubbles to use as a scarf anymore. Which is why it uses a frog's elastic tongue as a substitute. Which makes it "natural" and less forced.
>>26053968
Since ninjas keep their face hidden and a frogs have massively long tongues, tongue scarf makes logical sense.

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>>26050938
>>26050944
>>26050964

HOLY FUCKING CANOLI WITH MOTHER FUCKING FRIJOLI

HERE! I fucking angled them for your clitoral pleasure!

you don't want these hands /vp/. u do not

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>>26054158
I'll do you one better

>>26054107
So it removes the one thing that's prevalent through the previous evos and introduces a completely retarded, new alternative that wasn't seen in any of the evos. And you find that natural? Sorry, but I don't.

>>26051001

Oh I got an art course for you. A coarse sand papery cock ready for your anus you wannabe contrapposto knowing smart ass. You wouldn't know good concept execution if it hit you straight in the face!

>>26051090

You gotta wonder what kind of faggot would lie through his teeth like that, and for what reason. Even if he's anonymous, did he just dislike the leaks so much that he had to lie to convince other people that they were fake?

I wonder if that fucking faggot is still on this board. Explain yourself.

>>26053254
mewtwo just won a major

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>>26054183
Where in the fuck did this come from?

>>26052018

>Pokemon with fur are always bad

I hate you cancerous fuckers.

>>26053201
>Hell, Bulbagarden refused to put the part of CoroCoro with them in because they had a different page number to other pages featuring Black & White stuff, and so was "clearly fake"

Sasuga Pomf

>>26051623
>so who's to say these are final drawings?
The white borders imply printing.
It's fake either way. But ffs do you think they'd print out a single drawing that isn't done?

>>26054851
Off of the deviantart page of the guy who made them

http://marix20.deviantart.com/journal/Sun-and-Moon-Starters-fan-made-604932791?ga_submit_new=10%253A1461527708