>one of the most uninteresting champions >everyone loves

>>25902677
1. She's hot
2. She is interesting, she's probably more involved in the story than any other champion except Blue.
3. She's actually a decent challenge unlike most champions. The only one who comes close is Steven and maybe Alder.

>implying any of the champions are interesting
She's a dominant big sister figure and the only NPC outside of post-game with a vaguely competitive team. Don't insult the Aryan Goddess.

i don't know, but something about the massive amounts of /ss/ porn of her out there gets me going

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>>25902707
>>25902716
Diantha is hotter.

>>25902729
Literally who?

>>25902677
>hey kid wanna /ss/
Plus she puts up more of a fight than anyone else in the series except maybe Ghetsis.

>>25902729
Not everyone cares about fucking things all the time

>>25902729
>those eyebrows

Into the fucking trash.

I don't care how popular she is.

She should have stayed in 4th gen.

I didn't need a reminder of the shitest games in the series.

>>25902707
Well that was a fast thread.

>>25902788
Platinum is one of the best Pokemon games that exists, the only problem with Gen 4 is the slow battle speed.

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>>25902677
>She helps save the universe in Platinum
>then goes to Johto to help Ethan/Lyra meet Arceus at Sinjoh Ruins
>then goes to Unova and chills at a villa while doing research
>then comes back 2 years later to take part in the World Tournament
>uninteresting

>>25902707
I'd like her way better if gamefreak didn't force us on her

I'm SO GLAD she's not in the gen vi games. In gen v she was basically gamefreak's lightning or liara t'soni

>>25902819
see >>25902845

that doesn't make her interesting, that makes her a forced character

>>25902845
>>25902869

Motherfucking this.

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>>25902788
But Gen 4 introduced the best Pokémon ever.

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>>25902845
>optional side-events
>forced
The only "Gamefreak's Lightning" is the faggot dog.

>>25902677
Being the first female champion probably helped with her popularity

>>25902677 (You)
I came here to post this.

>>25902902
I'll give you the special/physical split, some of the pokemon were good, the villain and HGSS, but everything else as shit about gen 4.

>>25902707
>She is interesting
She's literally Steven except her hobby is legends rather than stones.
Which makes her a lot less interesting.

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>>25902902
>Implying the worst designed, edgelord-appealing, forced shitmon ever is the best

>>25902677
> Doesn't show up in Gen 6
What happened?

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did gen 5 games even have champions?
really can't remember, did it at least have the elite 4?

>>25903003
Gamefreak did the unthinkable and let a forced character die.

>>25902979
>lore is less intersting than pebbles
found the contrarian

>>25903014
Alder was the Champion in BW and Iris was the Champion in B2W2.

>>25903041
Why was the anime girl a champion?

>>25903041
a unironical literally who and the girl from the pokemon cartoons? way to go...

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>>25902707
I'd much rather have characters like her be forced than limp shit like Essentia and Genocide McDragonfucker

>>25903041
I barely remember Alder since you didn't even battle him first time. You battled Ghetsis and his ungodly powerful Hydreigon.

she was the first champion that was actually challenging.

>It's so relaxing here... Sigh... I don't want to go home. It's a complete mess with all my research papers strewn about. My house? Even the region is a secret!
Cynthia home region WHEN??

>>25902869
>>25902845.

>all those interesting things she does cant count because gamefreak puts a lot of them in

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>>25903054
>>25903050

>>25903101
>facts are bait
mind to explain you dumb shitposter?

>>25903097
Yeah, she appearing in Unova and asking you what swimsuit she would look better in sure is interesting.

>>25903062
Hey Zinnia's hot at least, she's got that going for her.
>>25903092
She's from Kalos, she has the whole french stuff going on and all that fashion and shit. She's from Kalos, it's why she doesn't show up there, she doesn't want to go back home.

>>25903033
His hobby added some character to him, and he appeared infrequently, so it didn't seem forced.

meanwhile, Cynthia barely had any character and couldn't fucking leave me alone in Platinum, and was so fucking forced that she couldn't even stay in her own gen.

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>>25902902

>>25903120
Iris isn't from the anime, she was in the B/W games as a gym leader. Do you think Wallace is just some character from the anime too?

>>25903132
>the Champion has normal interests and not just battling

You're reminding me more of why I like her

>>25903134
A lot of girls in Pokemon are hot, that alone wouldn't help her

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>>25902988
Fuck off. Lucario is a badass.

>>25903091
no
that was steven you mong
and anyone who says Cynthia was remotely difficult sucks ass, easiest part of the last section for me, beat her 4 times, never got KO'd by her in any of my runs /spoiler]

>>25903159
It would when she kills the entire planet and is the only one left alive.

That was her plan, to be the last hot girl left alive.

>>25903134
>she has the whole french stuff going on
That was Fantina, not Cynthia
>and all that fashion and shit
She's a girl.

>>25903171
It's called team composition, I destroyed Steven worse than I did the Johto E4, same as I did in ORAS even with the rematch, I find him to be a pathetic pushover, not on Diantha and Iris' levels by any means, but I find him to be easy compared to Cynthia, despite me running over Sinnoh's E4 beside her.

>>25903159
this
Pokemon is full of hot chicks, i can think of ten hotter than Cynthia right now
she's basically Pokemon's rosilina

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>>25903062
at least Zinnia has a much more memorable battle theme :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIn8_Q27WFY

>>25903160
>Defending the most forced Pokemon ever
It's bad enough he got his own movie, but he was also forced to be my first mega.

>>25903190
dude
i had a shit ass team with me once, literally all shit mons, and she still lost
i couldn't do that shit with Steven senpai

>>25903033
Yes, anyone and everyone does research into legends in the pokemon world and it's as easy as going to the library.
Steven on the other hand travels the entire world, fully exploring volcanic areas and such for rare stone samples and yes, you can see all of his finds across the regions in his house in ORAS.

The best part is that he rarely makes an appearance outside of his native region unlike Cynthia.

Oh yeah and he's son of Devon's president too.

>>25903214
It's still team composition. Like I said, Steven was nothing to me and never has been, while Cynthia is the only Champion I've ever lost to.

>>25903171
only in ORAS due to his mega
dude uses a bunch of rock and steel types with one ground type. How could he be challenging in any way with such bad typing?

>>25903175
I thought her plan was to ride Rayray's dick like a pogo stick

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>>25903191
I love Cynthia I do, but Courtney is better overall in terms of hotness and personality, even if said personality is a quirky autistic robot.

>>25903236
So what you're saying is that you suck at the game.

>>25903254
you're the one calling Steven tough

>>25903214
Cynthia's team is objectively the toughest. Perfect IVs and minimal type repetition (none in Platinum) which punishes the average player just overlevelling their starter and spamming STAB/type matchups.

>>25903254
Amazing counter-argument. By your logic I'm also great at the game because Steven poses no problem.

I really think the concept of having different Pokemon and types and how they affect certain Gym Leaders/E4/Champions is beyond you.

>>25903214
I honestly dont beleive you. Cynthia has a Smogon Team and all her pokemon have max IV's.

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>>25903132
still more intersting than more than half of unova recurrent characters

>hurr durr i'm model and shit look at my horse knot
>rofl i'm another sexualized girl, btw i'm also a pilot xD
>auntjemimastrongindependentblackwoman.txt
>a literal liberal arts faggot
>npc waiters recycled as gym leaders
>pryce: ground edition
>literally who and the worst ice leader team so far feat. ice cream, worst bear and special snowflake
>dude, 8th gym leader beware, here comes the dragon dance + dragon tail
>some kind of social reject cunt loved by the lgbt as poison leader
>a cuban diver
>that one rival, now with a name and a badge!
>muh purrloin guy
>muh daddy doesn't want me to be a trainer because i'm a girl but i want i want i want! waaaah *farts* :'^(
>muh pokemon rights tumblr kid that is also some kind of king and shit
>man that is probably a homeless, apparently he claims he is a champion or something like that
>???
>more literally who???

>>25903242
Nah RayRay was just there to scare to boys to ride her dick and kill the other hot girls.
>>25903279
This, especially when the Elite Four in Gen 4 is ran over by Torterra Earthquake and Luxray Crunch. Even with a varied team Spiritomb at the time had no weaknesses and Garchomp was very deadly.

>>25903293
you don't have to believe me anon
i'm just telling you how it is
beside, what reason would i need to lie for on a fucking Chinese puppetry website?

>>25903171
Steven wasnt that hard in ORAS.

I had Emerald (because duh) so I never faced him as a Champion in Gen 3

>>25903298
>using muh and hurr to describe people and then wanting to be taken seriously

>>25903190
Will never undestand why GF did give Steven a rematch team that is worse than his first battle one.

That fucking unnecessary, redundant Aerodactyl already by Lance and a fucking offensive Carbink are embarassing...

She was the first multi-type champion since Blue and her team was actually good. Battle theme was pretty cool too.

What else do you need?

>>25903298
What the fuck am I even reading.

>>25902729
not sure if serious

>>25903322
>I had Emerald (because duh) so I never faced him as a Champion in Gen 3
You can battle him at meteor falls you know

I hate her because she wouldn't fucking leave me alone in Platinum,

Like every story relevant cutscene, she would be there and even when I'm about to have a 1 on 1 with the main villain in a different dimension, she was fucking there.

And It also made it glaringly obvious she was the champion. Like, Lysander obvious.

>>25903360
But that's not him as a Champion, that's him as a "Red"

>>25903316
Good point. But like that anon said, likely team composition. For instance, the only Champion battles I find hard are Lance Wallace and Cynthia. Everyone's challenge is different.

>>25903232
>steven stone appears in Unova
>steven stone appears in Kanto
>steven stone appears in Sinnoh
>rarely makes an appearance outside of his native region

Here Cynthia's cameos let's see:
>cynthia appears in Johto
>cynthia appears in Unova
???

dude stones lmao
sure those have changed the storyline or put relevant discoveries, the library in canalave city itself had myth and lore researches as contributors, see arceus event

Cynthia was also a good character that helped to blend Johto with Sinnoh and finally redeem Arceus while also perfectly putting it in the Johto theme by also preserving the Sinnoh one, "egg as life" and feels and emotions that are Heart / Soul, also present in DPP, etc, pretty much relevant enough to redefine the GSC remakes in a way or another.

>>25903145
iris appears as a gym leader in only 25% of games with 'black' or 'white' in the title

>>25903160
You must be 18+ to post here.

>>25903249
>courtney
>personality


Southern Island
Before battle
"... Who are you?"
"Yes. For the time being...get away from me. The Pokémon behind you... Its Mega Stone... No more...no less. That is what... That's what we of Team Magma seek. How about it? Will you get away from me... or not?"
"... Well then..."
"Deleting..."
Being defeated
"... Slurp. "
After being defeated
"As anticipated. Unanticipated. You. Target lock...completed. Commencing...experiment. You. Forever. Aha... "
"Returning home."

>>25903171
>steven
>hard
blaziken walks right over half his team.

>>25903446
She was still in Black1 as a move tutor. Even if she wasn't a gym leader it's not like she's some new character who came out of nowhere.

>>25903463

Mt. Pyre
Before battle
"...Ha."
"... ...Analyzing."
"...Hah. "
Being defeated
"...Funny. "
After being defeated
"...Again? That's unanticipated. ...I knew it. You...are interesting! ...Haha. "
"I'm looking forward to... I'm looking forward to... When we...can meet again."
Team Magma Hideout
Before battle
"... ... ...I knew you would come."
"...Too bad, though. ...It's all over now. ...The submarine has been upgraded."
"...Look. ...At that drill. ...With that...even the seal on the Seafloor Cavern is in for a walloping! "
"... ...There's still more...work for me to do. ...I must...stop you. ...Until Leader Maxie...departs... ...But... ...Now...I just...want to... ...With you... ...I want to...engage... ...You... ...I want to...analyze. Ahahaha. "
Being defeated
"Hah hah... Uhn...hah hah..."
After being defeated
"... ...Change...the world."
"...Leader Maxie... ... ...Mission... ...Complete. ...Leader Maxie...has departed. ...For the development...of humanity. ...For our...dreams... ...To you...whom I had not foreseen. ...I will give a hint. ...So that you...may dream...the same dream as us. ...Leader Maxie...is headed for...the sea stretching out from Lilycove. ...In the depths of the sea...lies the Seafloor Cavern. ...What are you...going to do? ...Looking around...in seaside towns. ...That might work. ...Ahaha. "
"...I don't know...what you could do to get there. ...Even if I knew...I wouldn't tell. ...Ahaha. "
Delta Episode
Petalburg City
Before battle
"Tedious...bothersome...child...You should...just be quiet...and give me...the Key Stone!"
"I already know...that you can...use...Mega Evolution!"
"...?!"
"...You."
"Aha. Nice timing...maybe. I'll be taking...yours first! Give me...the Key Stone!"
Being defeated
"Just barely..."
After being defeated
"Huh..."
"...No! You're always meddling! If that's...how it is...at Meteor Falls...the Leader's...Key Stone..."

>>25903479

Mossdeep Space Center
"...Last...hope...?"
"...Ha ha. Ahahaha! Ahahahaha haha! Ahahahaha hahahahahahaha! ... My team...The team I put all hope into...Leader Maxie...was broken. He was broken! He was broken by this brat!"
"Grr...Shut up! Enough! I've have enough of this world!"
"Aha! I know... Inside that rocket is the same amount-no, even more Pokémon life energy than what powered the ultimate weapon in the war 3,000 years ago."
"Ahaha! I think we're in for an impact so big it will surpass the massive explosion that ended the war! I don't know what all this talk of a meteoroid is, but I have no need of it. Here, by my own hand... I'll make this rocket explode...And bring an end to this world..."
"I will...fix...Project AZOTH! Of course, I'll also destroy this dimensional shifter that's supposed to warp the asteroid away someplace, too. "
Before battle
"Don't. Get. In. My. Way."
Being defeated
"...Just barely!"
After being defeated
"Why? Why must...you always...Always, always, always, always...Get in my way!"
"Darn! Dang it..."
"Huh?!"
"Wha...What..."
"Wha...Errgh!"
"Our...leader...Leader Maxie's...Key Stone. Is she trying...to steal it?! No...no...
Team Magma Hideout
"..."
"..."
"..."
"Y-yes?!"
"Hu-huh?! Ow...ch..."
"I'm sorry! Leader Maxie, I'm sorry! I won't do it...anymore! I'll never do anything...like that...again! So please...Forgive...Forgive me."
"Wah...wah...Sniffle..."
"Sniff...sniffle...Ohh...ooh..."
"Huh?"
"Wahh... Uwahh... Waahhh! Waahhh... Of course I will!"
Pokémon Alpha Sapphire
Battle Resort
"...Fight!"
"...Ma'am?!"
"I'll...make him cry..."
"Might be...nice..."
"...Yes?"
"You...seem fun. Target...locked... Aha. "

>>25903475
>Implying anyone would pick the worst out of the 3 starters.

>>25903322
>given actual real and objective examples i will procede to ignore them because i don't like the way you have showed them

epic denial buddy

>>25903194
>this will never be in a good game
gj gamefreak

>>25903520
>I was pretending to be retarded

>>25903504
i'm sorry if you think that he is hard because you failed to pick the correct sweeper.

>>25903374
t. unovababby ignoring alder doing the same and being as much predictable

>>25903550
I'm not pretending to be anything, this is literally what those filler characters were and you are trying to slide that part :-)

>>25903552
I don't think he was hard.

I think blaziken is one of the worst pokemon designs.

>>25903434
Well fuck me, he DOES have more appearances in other games. But nobody will say he's forced because Hoenbabbies

I also love how Johto is the region connected to practically all others. Even Unova had a thing where all thier Moo Moo Milk is flown in from Johto.

>>25903463
Courtney was amazing due to being half more interesting half ruined

>>25903520
>objective examples
muh daddy doesn't want me to be a trainer because i'm a girl but i want i want i want! waaaah *farts* :'^(

sure buddy

>>25903434
>>steven stone appears in Sinnoh
Not him but he doesn't even make an appearance in Sinnoh, it's only implied that he owned the villa
If you're going to count that count all of the times Cynthia has been referenced, name dropped, etc.

>>25903463
>>25903479
>>25903499
It's a personality, just an autistic one. She's adorably retarded.

Emo was at the height of it's popularity when gen 4 came out

Goth was considered extremely attractive by proxy


That's literally it

>>25903594
steven has appeared in 2 more games than cynthia, due to remakes. they are equally pushed.

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>>25903463
>"... Slurp. "

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>>25903599
she looks and sounds like she could be a user or admin of the showdown roleplaying

makes you feel both annoyed and uncomfortable because of her way of speaking and behaving

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>>25903463

>"As anticipated. Unanticipated. You. Target lock...completed. Commencing...experiment. You. Forever. Aha... "

>"...Ha ha. Ahahaha! Ahahahaha haha! Ahahahaha hahahahahahaha! ... My team...The team I put all hope into...Leader Maxie...was broken. He was broken! He was broken by this brat!"

>"..."
>"Y-yes?!"
>"Hu-huh?! Ow...ch..."
>"Wah...wah...Sniffle..."
>"Sniff...sniffle...Ohh...ooh..."
>"Huh?"
>"Wahh... Uwahh... Waahhh! Waahhh... Of course I will!"

>>25903727
A GF writer writing his wet dream in a pokemon game.

>>25902677
OP is baiting or the biggest homo out there.

>>25903632
Separating the remakes only puts them on equal terms and it still doesn't reach the level of Cynthia's pushing.

Steven
>RSE
>HGSS
>BW2
>ORAS

Cynthia
>Dppt
>HGSS
>BW
>BW2
And if I remember right her stay at undella has been extended from what it was in BW when it comes to 2.

>>25903813
No, you battle her in the villa in BW but in 2 it's only at the Tourney I think

>>25903836
She still appears at the villa in black and white 2

>>25903813
forgot about the arceus event, shit youre right.
i just dont feel like it was pushed because she does the kind of stuff i would do in the pokemon world.
i would love to visit weird caves to look at primitive murals of legends.

>>25903877
And you can still battle her full team.of six.
Not even steven had that outside of his games. His only appearance outside of the PWT was a reason to give you the starters.

>>25902677
She's hot, and her theme is good.

>>25902729
Literally only good with her Gardevoir.

>>25903915
which makes him a shitter that only handholds you

>>25903983
>handholds
>have to earn them

>>25903997
>have to do the normal storymode so that he randomly appears to give you starters
50/50

>>25902788
Hoenn games are 3rd gen not 4th gen.

>>25904025
>cynthia
>from hoenn

mate what?

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>>25903652
Aha~

>>25904025
Nah man, 4th gen was by far the worst.

>>25904053
The 3rd gen was worse than 4th gen.

>>25904173
Oh please.

Gen 4 had the worst pokemon, Plot and npcs.

While I'll admit, it did some good to the series, it's still the worst.

>>25904210
Gen 4 has some of the best Pokemon, comfiest region, tied for most interesting villain team, and decent npcs.

Gen 4 is not that bad at all.

>>25904173

Both were fucking awful

I don't even fucking know how get 3 warranted remakes

>>25904233

How old are you?

>>25904233
No way, Gen 3 had by far the worst región, forgettable NPCs, and a few good Pokémon. To its favor it introduces abilities abd had the remakes, that's it.

>>25903160
>Fuck off. Lucario is a badass
>Filename

Seems about right.

>>25904233
>>25904267
Quoted the wrong anpn.

>>25904233
>Had some of the best pokemon
while the good ones were good, the bad ones were really bad.

>comfy region
I like cold climates, but I hated the region due to having to be in a fucking mountain and backtracking

>Good villain team
Alright I'll give you that.

>decent NPCs
other than the champion and villain admins, I can't remember any of them.

>>25904173
4th Gen tried to be 3 and failed horribly.

>>25903062
who ?

Cynthia was interesting and had a backstory and purpose (unlike Diantha), and used a great team. She's relevant to the plot, and you encounter and help her many times. She's like a wise elder, who isn't old, and that makes her super cool.

>>25903434
>Unova
He only appears in the world tournament. Every other gym leader/champion appears in the world tournament, including Cynthia. Cynthia, however, appears outside the tournament.
>Sinnoh
When?

>>25902845
>force

This word is so fucking overused when trying to argue about something in this board. You people are pathetic.

You guys have no idea what a forced character even is.

There is no way to make Cynthia (or any character, for that matter) interesting without you having to learn about them in one way or another. It's impossible to have it any other way.

Cynthia appears to tell you something
>"FORCED"
Cynthia is mentioned by an NPC
>"FORCED"
We learn about Cynthia from some other means
>"FORCED"

So, to those who are claiming forced, how does one create an interesting character in Pokemon without you having to learn about them in some way or another?

Removing all of those (sub)plot points with Cynthia would have everyone saying the exact opposite of what we are now: "Uninteresting with no story."

There is no pleasing you people. It's like you actually don't want to have any content whatsoever in Pokemon games aside from multiplayer and battle frontier. Just play fucking Showdown all day if that's what you truly want.

>>25904806
Cynthia is one of the best NPCs of the series
>"FORCED"

>>25904806
It's clear that you don't like her. Well, let me tell you anon, that doesn't make her a FORCED character

>>25904977
It's obvious he likes her from that post, Dr Lipshitz

>>25904644
He owned the Villa, or left all the furniture, or something

>>25904977

I thought it was pretty obvious from my post that I was defending Cynthia while showing how the "forced" argument holds little water.

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>>25905067
>>25905093

>>25904806
Steven and Alder manage to be more engaging without having to be shown as often, or hyped as much as Cynthia.

>>25905162

It occurs to me that part of why I like Alder is that he actually tried to deal with all the shit going down (even though he failed and lost to N), unlike most champs who delegate to a likely 10 year old. Especially Cynthia, who'll tag along all the way to the Distortion Zone and tell you you're on your own with Cyrus.

>>25904290
>hating backtracking
lol nvm
kid wants a linear route so travel is easy for him

>>25905496
I don't mind a little bit of backtracking.

What I hate Is having to to to the same fucking mountain over and over again.

>>25905636
To go to*

>>25903145
You're such a kid, anon