>can't use itemfinder underwater >items hidden underwater

>>25874868
they weren't

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>>25874868
>togepi gift pokemon
>can't get shiny stone until after beating all 16 gyms

>>25874899
That's why you do super training. You can get all the stones right from the beginning that way.

>>25874899
what is super training

>>25874924
>>25874941
i was talking about hgss. are there 16 gyms in oras???

>>25874899
>National Park
>Pokeathlon
Are you an idiot?

>>25874924
>>25874941
>Super Training
>Gen 4
Are you idiots?

>>25874971
OP was talking about ORAS. You can get a gift Togepi in ORAS. My bad for not noticing you said "16" gyms, but you don't have to sperg out over it. Besides, there's tons of shit like that in HGSS and it was intended to be that way to help sell games. If you wanted easy access to gen 4 mons, you would have to buy DPPt.

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>>25874899
>tfw i had to abandon my Togekiss for a Crobat for this very reason

>>25874868
They don't want casuals to just easily find the Arceus plates.