If you honestly still believe Sugimori does the artwork for Pokemon,

and nothing of value was lost

>>25632989
>How could someone go from chunky-ass toriyama art style to suddenly moe/waifu/modern weeboo pandering shit?
Because Dragon Ball was super popular in the late 90s and early 00s but nowadays isn't as popular as moeshit.

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Artists change just like everyone else OP

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I like the newer designs actually, it's appealing while giving different characters distinct outfits and styles, with a wider variety of eye styles and facial shapes. It doesn't suffer as much from the same face syndrome that a lot of moeshit does.
Can you really tell me that original Team Magma/Aqua are better than their ORAS iterations

>>25633010

Artists evolve, not straight up change art style.

Sugimori's new art looks like none of his previous shit from a good 30 years of his life. His sudden shift that coincidentally matches the new popular style isn't legit. He has a ghost artist, or someone working for him, if he's even involved at all.

>>25633026

The new designs are great, and way better. It's just obviously not Sugimori.

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>>25633026
Original Shelly was better than the new one.

>>25633035
>Artists evolve, not straight up change art style.
You'd be surprised.

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>>25633035
Well, Kaneko, the main demon/character designer of SMT demons (until recently) also vastly changed his style, so it's not too unreasonable to think Sugimori did too. I think the main change was between Ruby and Emerald, just look at the difference between their protagonist art.

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>>25633049
I'll give you that since it's a matter of taste (and I prefer ORAS Shelly) but the other 3 were forgettable and boring

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>>25632989
>If you honestly still believe Sugimori does the artwork for Pokemon, you're retarded.
What the fuck are you parroting about? We've known he's not the lead illustrator since BW2.

It's so obvious, mang.

>>25633076
I like gen 2 artstyle a lot( GSC).

Either that or Sugimori abandoned his old style to appeal to more modern tastes. Artists change all the time, especially to keep themselves working.

I can live with the new lines, but I'll neve not miss the old coloring.
Not the gen III coloring. That looks awful. I mean the gen I and II coloring.

>>25632989
But everyone knows he doesn't.

As far as I know, the last characters he designed were Hilbert and Hilda. I don't know if he also worked on Calem/Serena and May/Brendan, but generally speaking he doesn't design humans anymore.

>>25633107
Rosa and Nate were exceptions, though, since their artist purposefully didn't try to emulate Sugimori's style, like he does with other characters. That's why they look completely different from everyone else.

I thought Sugimori was still the illustrator, just not the designer anymore

Ken Sugimori IS still creating all the official artwork. Yes, he does have a team to design things, but all official designs are drawn only by him.

>>25633035
>Artists evolve, not straight up change art style.
>Sugimori's new art looks like none of his previous shit from a good 30 years of his life.
It's called an artist improving their style over time, OP is referring to a drawing Sugimori did 13 years ago compared to one he did 2 years ago. Of course it would look much different when he's been drawing and improving his style for so long. An artist isn't going to have the exact same style throughout their career with no sign of improvement.

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Kind of going off this topic, but what's your favourite design/redesign for a character? It doesn't have to be based off attractiveness exactly, but one that stands out to you? Mine are these two (and also Siebold and Wikstrom to a lesser extent, but Malva has those cool cut-out pants those red shades, and Drasna looks down-to-earth and chill despite wearing dragon tusks as earrings.

who cares

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>>25633269
I love Drasna's design, specially her heels, so fucking cool. Kalos had some questionable design choices but others were spot on.

I personally like the two street thugs, specially the girl. The bleached hair and acrylic nails is just too accurate lol.

>>25632989
sugi just copies whatever's popular at the time

It's no surprise he looks all SHINY HAIR UGUU~ now

>>25633076
Yusuke Ohmura did the art for the protagonist of BW2.. not Ken Sugimori.. there is a very noticable difference in art style there.

He did everything else in that pic, though.

>>25632989
>suddenly
There's your problem, a 20 year period is not "suddenly"

>weeboo
You do realize Sugirmori is japanese and these are japanese games right?

>>25633107
He does still do some of the artwork. h didn't do Rosa, though....

>>25633219
He is... He and Yusuke Ohmura does a lot of the official artwork now. Ohmura's style is more crisp and less textural than Sugimori's. Compare Rosa (Ohmura) and Hilda(Sugimori)

A lot of the human characters since BW haven't been Sugimori's work at all. The official Pokemon art is all still his as far as I know though.

>>25633605
No he still does MOST of it.. but Ohmura is probably filling in for him as the games continue

I like the new artist for Pokemon, he did everything from gen 5 (except the BW protagonist art) and onwards but I wish he didn't try to copy Sugimori in gen 6.
Though the new artist really needs to get some good fashion sense because some designs are so bad.

>>25633754
considering militant animal rights groups exist irl, team plasma is pretty plausible.

It looks like a man in a dress

>>25633053
Examples?

>>25633598
Ohmura is better

>>25633378
fuck off faggot

>>25632989
>How could someone go from chunky-ass toriyama art style to suddenly moe/waifu/modern weeboo pandering shit?

Dude have you seen how Toriyama's own art changed?

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>>25633035
>Artists evolve, not straight up change art style.
Uh huh

>>25633035
Artists DO evolve, and change their style. Sugimori is no exception, he's adapted his style throughout his career.

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post your favourite game-character(!) by design /vp/!

>>25634397
oh and i forgot to say that this nigga had the GOAT team

>>25632989
Are you twelve? It's been two decades, his style changed. Artists change with the influences around them, what's needed for the project, the tools available to them etc... If you haven't realised that by now no one can help you.

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>>25633035
>artists evolve, not straight up change art style

ok since youre clearly not an artist lemme explain something to you.

artists dont reach some singular end-all, be-all style and thats it. if that was how it worked then no artist would be in business very long. when trends change artists have to adapt and change their own art style to stay relevant. animation has become less about lots of sharp angles and little to no shading, so naturally sugi needed to soften and shade his designs too. textures have also become very important in concept art, because it adds a touch of professionalism and detail. look at dragon ball concept art from the 90's and compare it to agatha from gsc AND hgss. then youll understand the style shift.

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>>25634397

>>25634909
good choice. even though ive never seen anyone prefering DP Lucas over Pt Lucas

>>25633035
>Artists evolve, not straight up change art style.
two things:

1) "art style" isn't a thing that every artist has and must conform to. that is literally elementary schooler thinking. a good draughtsman can easily change between "styles" once they study the lines, shading, etc of a work.

2) sugimori's stylistic choices for Pokemon didn't suddenly change. they evolved over the course of 20 fucking years. look at a comparison image of all the game protagonists lined up.

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>>25634397

>>25632989
>How could someone go from chunky-ass toriyama art style

Nothing of Sugimori's looks a damn thing like Toriyama's art in Dr. Slump or Dragon Quest. Not everything Toriyama draws is Vegeta.

>>25632989
In other words you just know absolutely nothing about art. Asking a retard like you for commentary on art is about as useful as asking you to dance a jig. You literally don't even know where to start.

>>25634909
Boring and has a gay hat

Post more Glacia

If they had replaced Sugimori they wouldn't be allowed to use his name on them without his consent
And even if they had it, why would they do that, instead of downright revealing he's replaced?

OP is the retard

>>25633076
If you actually look at them chronologically, you can easily tell it's a gradual change in style

>>25635130
Toriyama can only draw one face. It's a serious turn away from Dragon Quest and Dragon Ball

>>25634305
Sugi, for starters.

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>>25633035
>Artists evolve, not straight up change art style.

>>25633035
This can be described in one simple sentence.

You're clearly not an artist.

>>25633579
>You do realize Sugirmori is japanese and these are japanese games right?
Of course OP doesn't. OP's the kind of person who doesn't realize that JRPGs are designed with the Japanese audience in mind first.

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>>25637156
This one?

>>25637455
>Her Ace was Walrein
>Became Mega Glalie
>Her team was still the same two lines anyway

Hoenn needed more Ice types for an Ice specialist to be a viable choice. I can't believe the HoennDex was almost as limited as it was in Gen III after Kalos

>>25632989
>first one looks like a trans aberration

what the fuck is this shit

>>25637511
Is she german?

>>25637480
Sugiyama

>>25637511
>Perfect face
>Not thick enough

Props though, it looks nice

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>>25632989
The old one doesn't look like Toriyama at all. What are you smoking, OP?

>>25637238
nigger, if Toriyama wasn't the artist for DQ, I wouldn't like it.

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>>25632989
>>25632989
Man why the fuck was there an ice elite 4 in Hoenn
All of her team was the same

>>25637238
>confirmed for only looking at maybe three Toriyama drawings tops

>>25634363
What was the point of this post? The only style that stands out are the first two from Part 1, everything else looks pretty consistent. I'm assuming those are all different characters, right?

>>25637446
BREASTS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY

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>>25632989
>clearly says that Ken does the art still
>"NO KEN DOESN'T DO THE ART ANYMORE"
Tl;dr, OP is a fucking dumbass

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>>25634397
Best design
Most qt design

>>25632989
whoa damn she went way more milf tier

>>25640892
Man Glacia is really hot now, I mean like top 20 level.
>those sex eyes
>big breasts
>neck collar thing (only thing I would want her to have on when naked)

She seems really fun to make out with and get blowjobbed by.

Any good Brendan x Glacia fap fics?

Why is she so understand?

>>25637192
Given that ghostwriters exist (see: Animorphs and K.A. Applegate), it's not too farfetched.

>>25632989
and?

>>25633035
Quit posting anytime, you fucking retard.

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>>25634397
best grill

>>25633035
>>25632989
You're so fucking stupid...

None of what you said indicates it's actually a different artist since you can go on pixiv or devaintart right now and fight artists that have changed over several years.

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>>25634305
uh

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>>25634305

>>25641379
Applegate has ghostwriters because she was busy on other projects. Sugimori has no such reason.

>>25637859
>that terrible art
Holy fuck it looks like it's straight off DA

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>implying Ken Sugimori should've gone as far as he did for characters

Look at this gorilla mother fucker

>>25649289

She's fine.
She's probably the only Gen III leader that is.

>>25632989
First off, Nintendo has no part in what GameFreak/TPCi does with Pokemon outside of publishing the games. Secondly, Ohmura does the art for the humans since Black/White 2. The fact that you don't know this and you made this thread should already be an indicator you don't know what you're talking about. Sugimori still does the Pokemon, though.

>>25649344
Look at her arms, those are the arms of a fucking steroid using ape

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>>25637859
That isn't Toriyama.
This is Toriyama.

damn this thread was so painful to read, no one has any idea of what they are talking about. why is this shitty board so cancerous?

sugimori did ALL the official art of both pokemon and characters (trainers, professors, NPCs) up to HGSS. Thats when he did all the art except for the rocket admins and grunts(iirc that was the work of takao unno)

then in bw, yusuke ohmura helped him. ohmura did the art of some NPCs (cheren, bianca, gyms leaders) while sugimori did the most important one( trainers, professor, N, Gechisu) sugimori still did the the main of evrey new pokemon

in bw2, all the new characters were drawn by ohmura. (main trainers. rival, new gym leaders,etc) sugimori must have been really busy with xy

sugimori handled almost all the human characters in XY except for some which were drwn by ohmura again (professor for example) pokemon/mega evos awere still drawn by sugimori

in ORAS sugimori did the trainers, and some npcs. while ohmura, mizutani and ando helped with others like the gym leaders. starters' new illustrations and new megas were done by sugimori.

now, this is what he and others ILLUSTRATED. there is no way of knowing what they DESIGNED unless stated on interviews, for example, we know, that sugimori designed the trainers on BW (and he illustrated them) same goes for the pokemon, sugimori draws them but he doesn't design all of them.

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>tfw Ohmura's art
Jesus Christ his use of volume is so fucking good.

>>25633107

I think what defines Sugimori's art, no matter how it changes, is the emphasis on toned athletic legs. The man loves drawing defined calves. Also, the girls have long, thin torsos, with rib cages that are 3/5 the size of their pelvis. Also, he tends to draw arms that are kind of noodle-ish for his girls.

>>25650722

Also, his inking is a lot rougher than other artists/designers working on Pokemon.

>>25650722

Also, his inking is a lot rougher than other artists who work on Pokemon.

>>25633098
What is happening in this pic?

>>25632989

It's called art evolution.

Sugimori stopped copying Toriyama and developed a style of his own.

>>25650722
>noodle-ish
Anon I remember having arms like that when I was their age and I'm a guy.

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>>25634305