How is it possible for a simple human to become a fucking Lord,

Wasn't human.

>>14471
It's not, that's because it's a video game

He's got a 3 foot dick

Who said he was human?

>>14475
>>14472
Lol play the game you fucking retards.

>>14471
He's a Lord/God/Giant guy.

Those were the original human, the one who are like us were born from the pigmy a tiny Lord/God/Giant guy.

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>>14472
>>14475
But he was. He simply found a Lord Soul.

>>14471
Convoluted time

>>14478

Literally nowhere in your picture does it say he was human.

>>14479
That's already a meme, Double O Four.

>>14471
Except he wasn't a human, you fucking moron. Humans are descendants of the pygmies who found the Dark Soul.

Everyone was a hollow at one point, even the Lords and Humanity

Better question is where the fuck did all the lords come from? Pygmy split his soul up to make us, but Gwyn sure as hell didn't

>>14482
>pygmies

So wait there's more than one Furtive Pygmy now?

>>14483
>Better question is where the fuck did all the lords come from? Pygmy split his soul up to make us, but Gwyn sure as hell didn't
Waiting for a proper answer too!

>>14483
What do you mean? You mean Lords like the big bads in DS1?

There were four souls found in the flame, three Lord Souls went to Gwyn, Nito, and WoI and the furtive pygmy found the Dark Soul.

The Four Kings and Seath possessed a shard of Gwyn's Lord Soul.

>>14483
Yes he did. He split his soul with all the gods of Anor Londo and even to other people/creatures like his black knights and Seath.

>>14486
I think he means where did the four lord souls originate from

>>14488
From the First Flame, did you even played the first game?

>>14488
That's a dumb question because it doesn't really matter.

They were born in the First Flame. I guess they embody the disparity that the FF brought?

Why the exist doesn't ultimately matter though, they simply drive the plot.

Dark Souls is the only one that's canon, by the way.

>>14488
it's like asking why did the big bang happen. nobody knows and

it's a fucking video game

not to mention now that 3 and it's dlc are out the continuity between all the games are so fucked with overlapping shit and retcons and loose ends.

>>14491
Who is Gwyn's first son?

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Who cares about humans and lords?

Where did the giants come from?

He found plot fire in a dank corner.

>>14493
In DS1 he's a nameless nobody

In DS3 he's Nameless King

How is it possible for a simple human to find their counterpart in this small world and live with them for the rest of their lives

>>14494
I see Giants as the embodiment of the Archtree's in the Age of Fire.

>>14478
Nope nope and nope

They're so called "gods" with power determined by souls. If your souls is bigger and brighter, you're stronger

Humans originate from furtive pygmy. Their souls originate from dark souls. They represent abyss, human souls called "humanity" is black. You can see free, roaming humanity entities in abyss in ds1

That was true until ringed city dlc, where Gwyn had dark soul all along

>>14494
They just exist?

They're probably just monsters that happen to be more "human."

>>14478
>so it's been clear he'd been king long before that moment

Completely fucking stupid. There's no indication anything but dragons, ash, stone, archtrees and hollows existed prior to the first flame.

>>14493
The Nameless King, of course.

>>14501
My assumption is that the Lord Souls "created" Gwyn, the Witch, and Nito as we know them and that they were primitive pygmies or hallows before that.

>>14497
This is 4chan, mate. You'll never find a proper answer here.

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Is Crestfallen Warrior the most redpilled character in the whole saga?

>>14505
No, Logan-senpai is.

>>14494
giants came from across the ocean in a different land. vendrick went across the sea and stole something allowing aldia to create the golems. King of giants got pissed and waged war, came over to drangleic and pushed everyone's shit in.

>>14507
We don't know where "across the sea" actually is. We don't even know if Drangleic is on the same landmass as Lordan or Lothric. For all we know the giants could have came from either of those lands.

>>14507
Vendrick stole the Throne of Want at Nashandra's behest.

>>14509
What exactly is the Throne of Want anyway?

>>14508
it's just one of the numerous loose ends the series has. It's just a plot point to drive the story forward.

I'd personally like to know why none are in Dark Souls 3. Yhorm isn't the same "giant race" as dark souls 2 becasue he has a face so were are all the giants?

>>14510

The Kiln of the First Flame would be my best guess

>>14511

The Giants in DS2 are going hollow the "hole" might just be their form of a darksign

>>14510
Who knows. In the game data it's called the Firelink Throne

>>14511
Yhorm has a face? Seriously? I need proof.

>>14515
Play the game

>>14511
>Yhorm isn't the same "giant race" as dark souls 2 becasue he has a face
I think giants just got a redesign because their faces looked like buttholes.

>>14515
He has glowing eyes instead of a hole.

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>>14515

>>14507
I got shit from some anon yesterday for this, but I am very certain that Drangleic is on a different continent and 2 is designed to show how the shit that happens in Lordran affects the whole world.

Also what he stole was the Lordvessel, you see it busted up in the Majula houses basement.

Why Lordran sent a legion of giants to fight them I do not know, I think they mist have just been in power at that age.

Wasn't The Rotten supposed to be in the Undead Crypt but then they put him in Black Gulch?

>>14519
>Lordveseel = throne of want because I said so
>The most important relic in the entire universe is busted up in a shack in a local town

Are you vaatividya?

>>14499
Wait what? I thought that Dark soul was Furtive Pygmy's Lord soul, how is that Gwyn has it?

>>14519
>>14512
>>14514
>>14509

see this is why I like the lore for Souls. Everyone has their own theories and headcanons and talking about it just questions your own interpretation of the lore.

Actually Gwyn was a giant, not a human, all the other lords were, that's why the furtive pygmy was called pygmy, because he was smaller than the others. Besides humans are descedant of the Dark Soul therefore there couldn't possibly be humans when Gwyn found the Lord Souls.

>>14471
he was just a hollow who found a nice soul that made him strong and stuff

Why is Dark Souls 2 such a mess, /v/?


ttp://darksouls2.wikidot.com/unused-content

>>14521
>Lordveseel = throne of want because I said so

I didnt say that. Im saying what Vendrick stole from the Giants is.

>The most important relic in the entire universe is busted up in a shack in a local town

That was the general consensus from the community when 2 was out. Some anon even took the textures of the busted pot and put them together and it is straight up the Lordvessel.

>Are you vaatividya?

Fuck no anon

>>14524
Gwyn is not a giant because the actual giants are far bigger than him and his ilk. They are a different race called gods because that's what they are to the common people.

>>14526
Wasnt it halfway completed then scrapped? I think they had a year to complete it if I remember correctly. Compare that to BB which was being worked on right after DaS released.

So what exactly do we know from the final dlc that we didn't know before already?

>>14527
Vendrick stole the throne of want, so you are saying the throne of want is the lordvessel.

Dark souls "lore" is so fucking garbage lol. Hackazaki clearly never wanted to make 2 or 3

Is the bridge ontop of Farron Keep with the lightning spell and the dead dragon supposed to be a shoutout to the Dark Souls 1 intro cinematic?

>>14526
>looks at 1 and 3's unused content
>about the same as 2's

WOW DARK SOULS 2 SURE IS SHIT AMIRITE /v/ !!!!!!!!!!!

>>14528
>Gwyn is not a giant because the actual giants are far bigger than him and his ilk

There are multiple races in the Souls titles that were called giants at some point.

>>14471
He's not human, he's a god. Gods have fire souls while humans have dark souls. They were all pygmies at the dawn of time until Gwyn, Witchypoo and Nito found the Lord Souls and spread them amongst the other pygmies. The pygmies that were left behind became humanity after the furtive pygmy(so easily forgotten) found the fourth Lord Soul which was different to the others and spread it amongst the remaining pygmies. Gwyn and humanity have a common ancestry but he himself was never human.

>>14531
How the fuck did he steal a giant ass slab throne

>>14526
looking at this stuff just creeps me out for some reason

>>14536
Hauled it overseas using slaves.

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>>14471

The original state of every ""humanoid"" bipedal being was being a hollow fuck. Some found lord souls, someone found the Dark Soul.
Those who bear a part of the Dark Souls are knows as humans and what we know as humanity are just fragments of the Dark Soul.
The humans, or as the strongest among them and the ones with the greatest parts of the Dark Soul were called, pygmies were actually SUPPORTING the lords in their fight against the dragons. They were never credited in history, instead Gwyn "Granted" them the Ringed City, where they would be pretty much forced to stay and would eventually be forgotten about. Gwyn even left his daughter behind in there to keep watch over the Pygmies. She thought he would return but he never planned to. He's an ass and he was afraid as fuck of humanity and its darkness.

>>14535
Then why he went hollow?

Did Lothric ever link the fire?

I know Yhorm, Ludleth, the Abyss Watchers and Aldritch did because they all got ressurrected but I don't think Lothric ever left his house.

>>14541
no

>>14541
If he did, he would have been in the intro

>>14542
>>14543
I thought so.

Pretty sad that they just decided the sick little fuck had to burn like that.

>>14526
DS1 has more unused shit.

>>14516
I did play. And like everyone else his fight lasted like 30 seconds.

>>14518
Well fuck me

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>>14526
>We didn't get Alonne Knight Armor(Clean)
Those fucking niggers

>>14540
Because his physical avatar wasn't Gwyn any more. He sacrificed his soul to link the flame. What we fight is just a soulless husk.

>>14545
>>14533
>“In ‘Dark Souls 2,’ we’re hoping we can provide more freedom so things don’t have to necessarily be done in a certain order… We’re hoping that if the player tries hard enough, or are willing enough, they could even start halfway through the game, depending on how willing or how brave they are.

I remember from the development videos that Dark Souls 2 was originally conceptualized to take place entirely in a cold environment. We can see this evident in early concept art, some of the teaser cinematic videos, and some armors like the titular Faraam set.

In one video, the same that gave us the original manikins with the white masks, we see the hero climbing a mountain to find a Skyrim esque dragon's nest, where a three eyed dragon awaits.

http://illusorywall.tumblr.com/post/108077904704/dark-souls-2-early-dark-chasm-map-data-and-a

>>14544
Lothric just decided he wasn't going to do it and would wait to die with the rest of the world in his castle.

>>14471
Isn't the player character basically strong enough to do things like that himself by the end of these games?

>>14528
>>14524
Miyazaki literally said some guys are bigger just to be intimidating. It's a gameplay element that creates a "whatever" hole in the lore.

>>14540
Because he fed his soul to the dying First Flame to use his soul as kindling for the fire. Thus the First Flame gets more fuel and burns for a few more centuries. That's what it means the link the fire.

>>14550
I would do the same if I was in his shoes. His family already ruined his life over this linking the fire business and he's expected to kill himself too? Fuck that.

>>14530
Literally nothing important.

>>14526
Because Shibuya was developing it with PS4 and Xbone in mind while Namco kept insisting it be on PS360. Six months out from release it became clear that Namco weren't gonna let them make it next gen only so Tanimura had to take over as director from his co-director role and stitch together the shit they had into something that could run on last gen consoles, as Namco refused his requests for more time so they could go back to the drawing board and actually plan what the fuck they were doing. It's a shame, what 2 could have been sounds amazing. It was going to have a Zelda style overworld with the levels acting like dungeons but integrated seamlessly, and they were all like twice the size as what was in the final game plus numerous levels that were cut. The plot was going to be entirely about Vendrick, Aldia, the Crowns and the Shards of Manus but Namco thought the game sounded too dissimilar to the first so we got a rushed incomplete version of what they originally wanted slapped onto the end of a rushed incomplete rehash of the second half of the first game.

I'd like to see Tanimura direct something from scratch, he salvaged as best as humanly possible the dumpster fire that was Dark Souls 2's development and was co-director with Miyazaki and Otano on Dark Souls 3 which was also rushed as fuck but better showcased what he was capable of.

>>14549

You do realize Dark souls 2 had a different director right? He fucked the game up really badly and then left From. Tanamura stepped in from assistant to lead and tried his hardest to fix what the first guy did. Tanamura did all of 2's dlc hence why they're better then the base game.

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>>14552
He probably took inspiration from One Piece.

>>14510
Something connected to the First Flame somehow. I don't think there's anything else we can say about it.

>>14522
He didn't. He's talking out of his ass.

>>14511
The giants in 3 have butthole faces under their masks. It's probably a part of there hollowing.

was vendrick a human or a god-person?

>>14522
Gwyn doesn't have the Dark Soul. He's just a faggot who won the World War against the Everlasting Dragons so now he gets to tell the pygmies what to do.

So, I never understood why Gwyn hated the dragons so much. Dude, chill. Can't you guys like, co-exist?

>>14549
>>“In ‘Dark Souls 2,’ we’re hoping we can provide more freedom so things don’t have to necessarily be done in a certain order… We’re hoping that if the player tries hard enough, or are willing enough, they could even start halfway through the game, depending on how willing or how brave they are.

Yes, that's in the game and it's called being able to enter the Shrine of Winter if you called 1 million SM, and with the few ascetics you can get to 1M SM in an hour. Or just get summoned for a few popular bosses like Ruin Sentinels with a silver covetous ring.

>>14522
According to people who've been able to play the DLC Gwyn did something to suppress the Dark Soul's power.

>>14561
He was a human

>>14532
What? Why does it matter?

>>14557
He probably just did it because it makes his bosses easier to make.
Designing a boss that has a big hit area that forces you to use invulnerability frames is easier then a small boss that has to have a "fair" moveset, imagine if Friede had DaS1 poise.

>>14518
He looked much better as a DS2 "but hole" giant in the intro video, he's just generic as fuck ingame with the manface.

>>14561
He was a dude (human).

"Men will be free from death, left to wander eternally.
Dark will again be ours, and in our true shape…"

>>14563
The Dragons ruled over everything. Who knows what sort of faggotry they were doing before Gywn grilled them.

>>14558
I guess I could add: it allows for firelinking. Other than that, I'm not sure anything else can be said.

>>14571
I don't know, his son got along with dragons pretty well apparently, plus the 2 true dragons we meet are pretty chill.. It really just sounds like Gwyn was a cunt and Seath was talking too much shit.

>>14571
Weren't they just chilling on the surfacing doing literally nothing?

>>14573
The Dragons were dicks, the whole world was trees and ash, uninhabitable for everyone else, they didn't want anything to change

Which character's story would you like to play a spin off of the most?
>Gwyn's Four Knights doing stuff
>The Lords defeating the dragons
>Alva and Zullie travelling the world together
>the Burnt Ivory king being cool
>Greirat sneaking into places to steal stuff
>Sulyvahn fucking up everyone

>>14574
They ruled over the world and Gywn challenged them. We don't really know much about that time.

>>14573
>his son got along with dragons pretty well apparently
And that's why he was disowned. My theory is that he fucked a dragon and fathered Priscilla, making Gwyn mad.

>Dark Souls 0
>Play Gwyn Lightbringer in his quest to claim the First Flame and eliminate the dragons that took the life of his wife from him and bring freedom to the people of the underdank.
>Amass an army of Silver Knights, master the miracles of Lightning and Sunshine, broker a treaty with the Pygmen and team up with sidekicks Nito the Gravelord and the Witch of Izalith
>Explore never been seen areas like Land of the Everlasting Dragons, the old home of the Gods the Underdank, the First Abyss and many more

Would you buy it /v/?

>>14565
Not really, Gwyn (along all the other Gods) branded humanity with the darksign because they feared the Age of Dark but they did not foresee that the curse of the darksign would actually make them immortal, impossible to be killed and impossible to die, because of that all of the Gods decided to ban all of humanity to the Ringed City forever and Gwyn put his own daughter, Filianore, in the Ringed City to make sure humanity would never leave the Ringed City. Needlessly Gwyn's plan failed spetacularly because the abyss would not so easily be contained and some humans managed to escape when all hell broke loose. But he actually didn't do a thing to supress the Dark Soul itself, probably because it was so strong he couldn't have done anything about it, the Pygmy Lords, who were in charge of the Dark Soul at the time still lived in the Ringed City because they're immportal, but obviously with the events of the DLC they were killed by Gael.

The story clearly shows us that Gwyn was the one that fucked up everything for everybody, including the Gods themselves, even if his intetions were good he pretty much destroyed the world by not letting the natural course happens. Like Aldia said Gwyn commited the first Sin by not letting the Age of Dark, which is the natural course of the world, happen, and on top of that he branded humanity with the curse that would make them strong enough to erradicate all the Gods that were left.

>>14576
>The Lords defeating the dragons
This one. It would be awesome.

>>14578
it would be a horrible souls game and the enemies would be all dragons which would suck

>>14579
>Gwyn (along all the other Gods) branded humanity with the darksign
No that's utterly retarded. Where is the proff Gwyn did this?

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>>14555
Sounds fascinating, tragic and pretty damn accurate. Have you got a source for any of those, anon?

>>14576
Burnt Ivory King saga or the brutal struggle of the Berenike Knights until they vanished.

Although I think the coolest side-story I want is something unrelated to the cycle, like some war between Astoran Knights and some other unseen faction, or the Demons fucking around and being hammered by an admittedly vicious population of Undead/Humans/Gods who hate demons signifcantly more than the inverse.

>>14577
>And that's why he was disowned.
Well yeah but if the dude was getting along with dragons well enough to fuck them, it kinda proves co-existing was possible.

>>14575
I don't think we're ever told they didn't want anything to change.

>>14582
Ringed City, Ringed Knight Armor description

>The armor of early men was forged in the Abyss, and betrays a smidgen of life.
>For this reason the gods cast a seal of fire upon such armor, and those who possessed them.

>>14576
cuhhhrazyyy action game staring the four knights, iron tarkus, havel the rock

>>14576
>the Burnt Ivory king being cool

This one and it's the most interesting piece of story from DS2

>>14586
Are you retarded? The armor is literally burning with fire 24/7, that has no relation at all to the dark sign

>>14586
Oh wow you are right. Gwyn fucked everything up. I can't believe it. Sorry about the earlier comment.

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>>14589
Can't you read?

>and those who possessed them

Not to mention the brand is literally the darksign, you're the retarded for having missed this, it couldn't be more obvious.

>>14587
>Dark Souls fighting game
Would you play it, /v/?

>>14492

>it's a fucking video game

Then don't post on /v/ about it, my man.

>>14585
Then why would they war with Gwyn and his ilk? Dragons were not presented as being ambivalent

>>14589
No relation other than looking exactly like it.
>and those who wore it
is referring to the sigil, so they put the sign on the armor and the same sign on the people. Darksign.

>>14591
>every single human being owns a set of ringed knight armor

DEEPEST LORE

>>14596
Fuck, I'd want one

>>14596
It's the armor of the early men, the ones who fought in the war against the dragons fucking eons ago. Jesus Christ man you're dumb as fuck.

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>>14591
People don't read dark souls items and then bitch about how Dark Souls has no story/it doesn't make sense.

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>>14598
>if I can.... just.... force people... to accept my head canon....

>>14600
No he's right, you're fucking dumb.

>>14594
>Then why would they war with Gwyn and his ilk?
Everything makes it look like was Gwyn and his ilk who were attacking the dragons, while they defended themselves.

Being the retard he is he probably thought he had to kill the dragons to usher a true age of fire or some bollocks like that.

It was probably dragons who created the first flame in the first place. I mean, they spew fire. It can't be a coincidence that at the beginning there were dragons and trees, a thing that breathes fire and a thing that burns.. and then whoah fire outta nowhere??

>>14596
>armor of early men
they gave the dark sign aids to their kids

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>>14576
I would love something with Alva and Zullie, but I'm a sucker for tragedy

>>14601
Obvious samefagging. Sad.

>>14600
Im pretty sure that guys right anon, I think there was more evidence that it was Gywn that made the darksign which cursed humanity because he was scared shitless of them.

>>14601
Just stop replying to him fuck

>>14606
Why would Gwyn create the darksign which is explicitly the reason for everything going to shit for thousands of years?
No really in what fucking world is making your opposition immortal with the only downside of "if you give up you go insane" in any way good for you

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Same way this guy saved all of humanity

Before this dlc I thought the undead curse was aids Gwyn spread to everyone when he linked the fire.

>>14608

The idea was to block humanity from running rampant like it happend with Manus

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hmmm really makes you think
what better way to curse your enemy than to make them immortal
>before dark sign when a human dies they're gone forever
>after dark sign they are reborn with infinity lives
definitely sounds legit if I had a hated enemy I would DEFINITELY curse them to immortality

>>14602
>
It was probably dragons who created the first flame in the first place. I mean, they spew fire. It can't be a coincidence that at the beginning there were dragons and trees, a thing that breathes fire and a thing that burns.. and then whoah fire outta nowhere??

Funny, I always found it odd how this is never adressed. It is supposed to be all methaphorical and shit like prometheus giving humans fire?

Maybe seathe gave the lords the power of flame?

>>14608
The seal of fire around the border of the void in the darksign is supposed to represent the abyss being supressed by the fire, or in other words, humanity being supressed by the Gods. Gwyn created the darksign to supress the abyss but the abyss was too strong, it's simple, making them immortal was a side effect.

>>14612
Thats wasnt the intent though. It was supposed to stop humans from using the abyss.

Which didnt work.

>>14609
Helping random folks and occasionally killing ancient tyrants and monsters?

>>14608
I guess the idea was for it to be a "tap" from where the dark could ooze out thus preventing it from accumulating too much and creating shit like Manus.

Didn't work out very well. Gwyn was a fucking idiot who did everything wrong.

>>14611
??????
You are making even less sense since clearly the undead curse was a thing in Oolaciel, again answer me this, how is giving your opposition immortality and then going "But well if you actually ever give up on trying to beat me then I win because there is nothing else I can do about you!" a wise strategic choice. Your headcanon is just flat out dumb

>>14576
Play as a Peon during the invasion of the giants in draengleic, we get glimpses of it but i'd love to play a whole game about it.

>>14579

It's funny because this means all the events of DaS 2 were just you trying to undo the effects of Gwyn's seal, Vendrick literally lost his mind trying to lift the curse because he had no idea it was a fucking seal placed by some dude ages ago.

>>14615
>headcanon is inconsistent
really activates my almonds

>>14612
It's not simply immortality, they turn insane from never being able to find release and lose their memories and life. It's not "they become immortal", it's "they become husks of flesh", practically mummies.

>>14618

>You are making even less sense since clearly the undead curse was a thing in Oolaciel

Where?

Also I'm not the guy you're arguing with

>>14613
Primordial Dragons didn't use fire

>>14609
Pretty much a puppet.

The dark sign brands the undead.

Not all humans are undead.

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>tfw you realize Gwyn is based on Zeus

>>14622
Yeah, nah.
You are Gwyn, there is an entire race of people you fear. So the plan to beat them is instead of killing them all with your army of super knights, gods, death god, chaos witches and demons - no that won't do, the plan is to curse them to immortality. That way if they die 200-300 times they'll go insane... Yeah that'll work

>>14626
There's humans (pygmies, dudes your size) in the souls games that are not undead?

>>14618
Most of the undead degenerate and go insane. Loss of sanity is considered much worse than loss of life in the series.

>>14623
>Where?
The giant hovering humanity spirtes and the literally dark and abyss spreading everywhere?

If not that then Kaath talking people uncovering Manuses grave.

>>14612
>>14618
Gwyn never actually considered humanity to be his enemey, they were loyal servants to him (and judging by the events in the Ringed City still are), what Gwyn feared was the abyss and the age of dark so the primary objective of the curse was to prevent the abyss from spreading, if Gwyn hated humanity he would never have allowed them to link the fire in the first place.

Fun fact, Dark Souls was originally going to be titled Dark Ring but the team in London changed it because that's slang for assholes.

>>14631

>The giant hovering humanity spirtes and the literally dark and abyss spreading everywhere?

That's not the undead curse, that's humanity

Are you pretending to be dumb?

>>14629
Most people who don't die at least once are completely human

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>>14632

>>372556764

More proof that it's a man(god)made seal and not a curse

>>14612
>if I had a hated enemy I would DEFINITELY curse them to immortality
No you got it all wrong.

Gwyn did not hate humanity and never considered them his enemy. What he was afraid of was the dark and he tried to prevent humanity from using it by placing a seal on them.

>>14618
Humanity was supposed to all be locked in the ringed city, the abyss within them sealed. Why care about side effects like immortality if they are all going to be locked away in the end of the world?

Sealing the dark is basically sealing humanity, since humans come from the dark souls. Dying is part of being human. That might be why the branded are denied death.

>>14619
>be a Drangleic knight
>hear about some big enemy nation that has started to wage war against you
>you go over because you would do anything for your king and queen
>the enemies are fucking giant tree men with long, gangly limbs and no faces
>one swipe of their arm is enough to kill half of your group
>their skin is as hard as wood
>this goes on for hundreds of years

>>14621
If you cant figure it out for yourself and need help from a chinese imageboard you deserve all the confusion you can get

>>14629
>There's humans (pygmies, dudes your size) in the souls games that are not undead?

Opening cutscene of DS1.

The dark sign brands the undead.
The undead are corralled and put in prison.
Humanity is treating this curse as a new thing, not as something that has always existed.

>>14602
I mean Gywn was a dick too, but we have no reason to believe the dragons were anything but hostile, and again the world was largely uninhabitable under dragon rule

>>14630
It's considered much worse by the HUMAN characters in the series, all the gods are dead of fucked off during the events of 1, gone for good in 2 and in a the entire world was a dream all long in 3 so who even cares.
Anon really how many times do we have to tell you that when presented with a choice of
a) Kill a dude and he is dead
b) Grant a dude immortality then kill him 700 times in the hopes that he goes insane
The logical option is a, if you really wanted to you could repeat a 700 times and be 700 times more efficient than b.

>>14634
So why do they respawn if they are not undead?

>>14484
you visit the last enclave of them in the ringed city

>>14641
I'm not confused because I follow the story as it is presented in game rather than creating my own fanfiction/headcanon to fill in the blanks.

>>14644

>So why do they respawn if they are not undead?

Ok you're baiting, no one is this fucking dumb even on /v/

Stop replying to this idiot people

>>14646
Except you're not, the game clearly tells you in a way that couldn't be more obvious that the Gods branded humanity with the darksign and you still refuse to accept it as a fact, if anybody here is creating headcanon it's you.

>>14635
Simply because they haven't died yet. Once they do, they are undead. They have aids like everyone else, just not the symptoms yet.

>>372556764
How does one become Undead?

>>14484

Apparently pygmies are all the descendants of the furtive pygmi, basically humans (the "god" descendants from the lord souls are huge)
In the DLC you find the human city

>>14650
Die at least once

>>14648
>couldn't be more obvious

It could say "Gwyn branded humanity with the dark sign". Instead it says "Gwyn branded the owners of this armor set"

>>14648
>Seal of fire = Undead Curse
Is some pretty fucking hardcore stretching you are doing

>>372556764
Where? When? Who ever implies this?
DS1 has plenty of characters who made the most of their undeath, none of them chose to become undead

>>14651
Who was that one guy you meet before the first Ringed City bonfire?

>>14644
Manus and the Abyss is considered much more terrifying than the Undead Curse.

>>14655

What guy?

>>14494
Seeing how Dark Souls' lore imitates Greek mythology, I'd guess the giants predate everyone else.

>>14656
Clearly that worked out super well for everyone. Again anon your headcanon flat out goes against everything in the entire series except for a misinterpretation of a single line in a weapon/armor description.

>>14506
Hmmmmm Hmmmm

I'll have to weigh this opinion carefully, hahaha

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>>14629
Sieglinde is an NPC who isn't Undead, according to her father

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Was he /ourguy/?

Sacrafice everyone you know to demo like entities with godlike powers

>>14478
>Found a lord soul
That's your fucking answer.

>>14662
He's pretty edgy but who can blame him?

>>14662
>fucked up everything that Ivory King did
Naaaaaaaaaah

>>14654
"Hmm! Ah, oh… hello there.
Forgive me, I was just pondering… about my poor fortune.
I did not find my own sun, not in Anor Londo, nor in Twilight Blighttown.
Where else might my sun be? Lost Izalith, or the Tomb of the Gravelord… ?
But I cannot give up. I became Undead to pursue this!"

Solaire says it himself.

>>14505
Its literally Hawkwood.

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>>14666

Speaking of Ivory King

Story is so cringe compared to bloodborne....

>>14503
I want to assume this.
But if this is the case, where did the other "gods" come from if they didn't find shit in the First Flame and why did Gwyn have an uncle?

Contrastingly, if Gwyn and the rest were all hollows, that makes even less sense, because of Gwyn having an intrinsic fear of hollows but still "bequeathing" parts of his Lord Soul to his knights and the other gods, that were what exactly?

Retarded.

>>14488

The "lord souls" are the mechanism with which the first flame propagates itself.

These souls are "given" to whoever is around, then those entities use the lord souls to achieve great things but in the end the lord souls need to be given back to the first flame in the act of kindling it.

It's like some sort of life cycle of the first flame where it is ensuring its survival.

The dark soul is different because it is not related to the first flame. You can acquire many of them to become powerful or you can use them as paint to created a parallel universe, apparently.

>>14530
We know that the Pygmy did fight in the war against the dragons, and were just uncredited because Gwyn suxx.

>>14531
Vendrick stole the giants themselves

>>14662
>my world is fucked beyond repair
>therefore I'll travel to another world and fuck it beyond repair

All of his actions were extremely well calculated, he did everything in his powers to fuck the world upside down and almost managed to if not for a brave unkinkled with incredible parry skills.

What was the ringed city built for?

>>14669
explain

>>14669
What am I suppose to be seeing here?

>>14676
play the fucking game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>14613
The First Flame probably a big bang metaphor, except we happen to know what existed before the first flame.

>>14679
I don't have any money.

>>14671
>where did the other "gods" come from if they didn't find shit in the First Flame

Not the same guy and I don't know about the rest but I'm pretty sure that every group of people who found the Souls of Lords are called something different. The people of Gwyn are Gods, the people of the Witch of Izalith are demons, the people of the furtive pygmy are humans and the people of Nito are just skellies.

>>14478
Why you are using a screencap of a fanfiction as a citation?

>>14675
In his defense, he was taught that prolonging an age is a really bad idea.

>>14669
What fuck.

How did I miss this.

>>14671

imho here's how it goes down

>everyone is hollow
>a few hollows stumble onto the first flame
>they grab the lord souls
>due to the lord souls they become get a huge burst of power, self-awareness and capability
>Nito is some sort of emo goth so he just starts collecting skeletons and giving them parts of his soul
>With of Izalith creates her daughters and then later on the chaos flame, which backfires
>Gwyn creates the race of lord with the power of his soul, by also giving out parts of it

In all of these cases the bits they gave away are relatively few.

Only the pygmy distributed it to a large quantity of hollows so it depreciated in power fast. Gwyn and the rest of the lords rationed it more sensibly so they retained considerable power.

>>14671
Different anon but the only way the DS1 intro makes sense is
You have a base race A, some of them found lord souls becoming Gwyn, Witch of Izalith, Neato and the Pygmy
Gwyn rationed off his soul to make the "Gods"
Witch of Izalith rationed off her soul to make the daughters of chaos
Neato was a skeleton
Pygmy rationed off his soul to make Humans

Just common ancestry shit, everyone came from the same place but the whos lord soul someone drew power from determined their race (gods/humans/deamons/fuckingwhatever)

>>14669
Isn't that the castle of the Ivory King?
Also, what exactly did the Ivory King actually do?

>>14682
Demons came from the witch trying to make a new first flame and fucking it up.

>>14662
Is he a Corvian?

>>14688

He sealed the chaos the witch of izalith created

>>14690
Not really, he was born inside the painting, the Corvians are not originally from the painting. As far as we know Sulyvahn is the only being to ever been born inside a painting.

>>14688
He was based as fuck, loved by his rulers and even the shard of manus turned good because he was such a bro. He also sacraficed himself to stop the chaos.

Hes like a good Gwyn, I guess.

>>14692

The corvians are the paiting people being turned by the rot

>>14688
Saw the Chaos Flame popping up again, plopped down a castle right on top of it and beat off demonic invasions for ages, realized that he was slowly going insane because of it took his knights and slapped the chaos flames shit so hard that there are no proper "demons" in the entirety of DS2.
Demons like the Asylum demon and the lightning spear demons are present in DS1 and DS3, they are gone in 2 because the Ivory King and his knights went off and merrily genocided everything in the Old Chaos

>>14671
Dark Souls 3 does suggest Uncle Lloyd was a fraud invented by Thorolund. If not, the reasonable explanation would simply be that the concept of families existed before they found the Lord Souls. I imagine this is likely true, and there were at least a couple generations starting with the initial hollows appearing from the flame, and then when the lord souls are found.

After all, there must have been time for the Witch to have seven kids, and for Nito to gather a bunch of skeletons.

>>14686
>>14687
I was going to make mention of All-Father Lloyd being Gwyn's uncle, but it seems he was retconned out in DkS3 to be a literal fraudster. How convenient, Miyahacki.

>>14682
They were all the same shit. Izalith accidentally created the demons when trying to create an artificial replica of the first flame. Gwyn and Gwyn people are big for gameplay and aesthetic reasons, that's all. Even Miyazaki himself said it. Nito is just spooky.

It's true the series has a deeper lore than meets the eye but stuff like that is just a random base to get things moving. It's "Ok at the beginning there were trees and dragons which were like ambiguous undefined things and then there was Fire and with it disparity: Life (Izalith) and Death (Nito), Light (Gwyn) and Dark (Pygmy)." That's all. Why they are as they are has nothing to do with lore.

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>>14688
The Ivory King
>Was the best knight in a kingdom of knights
>became the beloved king of his own nation
>built his capital on top of a Hellmouth so he could personally fight to contain it
>turned a Daughter of the Abyss into a good girl through his genuine love
>had seven pets, at least three of which were giant magical ice tigers
>went into Hell itself when it started to become too much
>killed demons until he became the demons
>was aesthetic as fuck
>was in one of the few romantic relationships in Dark Souls

>>14694
I thought they were created by Velka, no? They also appear in DaS1 and DaS2.

>>14526
>Dark Barrier
>An elementary hex.
>Manifests a barrier of darkness around the user that reflects pyromancy flames

Goddamnit from software. Imagine how cool that would look.

Also this pyromancy sounds awesome. I once made a thread on the steams forums for dark souls about why we don't have any homing pyromancies.

>Fire Serpent
>An elementary pyromancy.
>Launches a fireball that chases foes

>>14547
that does suck but what's worse imo is how the Elite Cleric Set isn't in Dark Souls 1 even though Petrus fucking wears it and if you kill him he doesn't drop it. Such bullshit. The regular/non-elite cleric set is boring and ugly. Before anyone brings it up I know the set is technically in the game files but you have use cheat engine or some kind of hack to put it in your game and that's too risky for me.

>>14691
>>14693
>>14695
>>14699
Huh, he does sound pretty cool. When you fight him in DaS2, what are you actually doing? Are you just there for shits and giggles, or are you resealing the Chaos or something?

>>14627
Pretty goddamn obvious.
He even has like a hundred kids.

>>14658
Giants and Titans aren't the same in Greek mythology.

>>14701
steams forums for dark souls 2*

also I forgot to mention that you can't get the normal cleric set until you get patches back to firelink shrine (which means you have to beat Nito). Having to wait until that late into the game to get such an average armor set is bullshit. Considering the knight class starter set the cleric set should have been the started set for the cleric class.

>>14702

What you fight is a husk, he along the black version of his knights got burned when fighting chaos so the daughter of manus asks you to put them out of their misery

>>14702
You don't fight the Ivory King, you fight the Burnt Ivory King, the real Ivory King is long gone, Burnt Ivory King is like the super corrupted version of Ivory King, we don't even know if he still has anything from his previous conscience.

>>14697

He could've simply not been an actual "uncle" but a senior figure in Gwyn's pantheon.
Hollows do not age or die properly so who knows what kind of relationships they have over eons where they roam around.

>>14702
You fight the worst boss in the entire souls series.

>>14471
>How is it possible for a simple human to become a fucking Lord
he found a lord's soul

>>14669
holy shit, mind blown.

>>14702
You are there to either
Get his Crown in order to go along with Aldias plan of just curing the undead curse for yourself and then just enjoying your no penalty immortality away from all the cycles
As a favor to the shard of Manus that was her queen, since he went insane. You are asked to kill him to free him, then given the optional task of getting back his knights's souls so that Alsaana could comfort them.

>>14708
>Hollows do not age or die properly

I'm pretty sure they do, or at least did during those times, it's the darksign that prevents some of them from dying.

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>entire fucking series revolves around powerful souls and who attains and possess them.

>OP can't figure out why someone with one of the souls is powerful and amazing.


The entire world is in conflict over these things, you think they're fucking toys?

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>>14702
His wife asks you to mercy kill the corrupted remnants of him. What you fight is little more than a husk.
Imagine him at full power

>>14471
That happens if you stay virgin for 60 years.

>>14702
Chaos is very utterly and thoroughly sealed, even after you kill him and go back to the Old Chaos the only thing you run into are more Burnt Loyce Knights

>>14716
Not so man, he had hella kids and was probably popping pussy left right and center.

Why wasn't the Ivory King or Eleum Loyce referenced in Dark Souls 3?

>>14712
Since hollowing and motivation in these games is a microcosm of intent, we were there for two reasons 1. To see things through and curiosity, 2. To get that fucking last hat and hopefully some closure on this bullshit.
What we got was an eternity watching nations flouish and than die until eventually nothing is left but two shitters fighting in a ashen wasteland over literal paint.

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How powerful would a fully levelled Souls MC be in real life?

>>14471
This is a Dark Souls thread right?

What skills should I level on a Knight? Currently around level 8 in DS1.

Who else is loving this lorefag butthurt?

>>14662

OH MY GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE

>>14715
He's pretty directly assumed to possess immense power. He was sitting right in front of the Old Chaos, fighting any demon that even tried to come out, and was on the frontlines and "First to swing" in every war his kingdom waged in. I can't imagine how pants-shittingly bad it must be for his enemies to have fought an army and STARTED with the most devastating warrior in the kingdom, who is ironically the only one you will have any serious value in killing.

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>>14721
Rich Piana is no longer human so he's probably a good comparison

>>14726
IS THAT ADAM DUDLEY?

>>14722
STR and VIT. Everything else is optional

>>14719
Because Dark Souls 2 is a side story that has next to no impact on anything that happens in 1/3.

>>14702
Chaos is sealed, thats why theres like, 3 demons total in DaS3.

Funny, there are very few characters in these games that actually succeed at something besides our own player.

>>14716
Waste of a post, kill yourself

If Gwyn was Zeus, who were the Titans?

>>14721
Well, since 12 strength passes fair for an adult soldier, and it can go up to 99, one assumes he would be several times stronger than a normal person.
Apply this to basically every stat with linear gain.
Not to mention a natural increase in toughness with leveling, as well as max HP being a few times higher than starting HP, it's safe to assume he could fuck basically infinite normies (starting area hollows, unscaled).

>>14719
They were; Knightslayer Tsorig visited and killed all the Knights, taking their ring for himself.

>>14731
The...giants?

>>14729
B-but the Old Chaos wasn't fanservice!

>>14731
Dragons fool

>>14733
Damn, dude must have been in the Old Chaos for hours

>>14734
Gwyn was a giant

>>14736
This is right

So maybe the dragon in DaS3 is Chronos?

>>14729
>Because Dark Souls 2 is a side story that has next to no impact on anything that happens in 1/3.

you clearly haven't played the new dlc and even then in the main game there are tons of das2 references. Also read this >>14730
He's partially right even though there two demons left in the RInged City DLC but time is convoluted and all that jazz.

soul power nigga
Gwyn found the soul of the Slayer of Demons from DeS in the void produced by the true ending

>>14738
Gwyn was not a fucking giant. He's big because he would look like shit if he was regular sized, it's for gameplay and aesthetic reasons. Miyazaki fucking said it.

>>14738
Gwyn was a god. Giants are a completely different race.

>>14733
Tsorig is never talked about, but he's basically the Bloody Crow of Dark Souls, in terms of being an edgy donutsteel.

>tarkus armor
>fume knight sword
>killed all the loyce knights

Plus, he can actually fight against himself, which is pretty funny.

>>14741
The Furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten...

Everyone is a giant before humans

>>14739
>partially right

What? Theres the demon king, and the two demon princes.

Thats 3 nigga

>>14740
But that doesn't make sense because the Ivory King found the Soul of the Old One and make a pimp sword out of it

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So who was this guy?

>>14742
>Giants are a completely different race
There were many races in the Dark Souls universe that were called giants, in DaS1 giants are those big dudes in the fortress and the blacksmith in Anor Londo, in DaS2 giants are more like golems or something that look nothing like the giants in DaS1, and in DaS3 we have Yhorm who looks like an overgrown dude. Therefore saying giants were a single race is pretty stupid.

>>14721
They're supposed to be similar to that of Greek heroes.

>>14746
DSII NOT CANON REEEEEEE

>>14744
No humans are just midget giants

>>14745
i thought the death of the first two created the third somehow or something. idk how that shit works.

>>14747
I don't think he's a pygmy, the pygmies in the end of the world area had crowns, he doesn't. He could be a pygmy that was banished by the others or just a regular dude that has no relevance to anything.

>>14748
In the context of DaS1, there is a very clear distinction between the Gods and the Giants. Gods were pretty much massive humans with ridiculous power that was amplified by Souls and the AoF. Giants were these equally massive humanoids where were dull-witted and easily gulled into being laborers.

>>14737
Arguably he didn't kill any of the knights, as those guys were pretty clearly on fire. The guardians of Eleum Loyce were the rampart golems and the frozen soldier things

>>14471
>implying Lords are humans

Read some lore kiddo

>>14750
too bad because it is canon. get fucked nerd.

>>14740
This makes the most sense and also explains the Giants

>>14471
>>14478

Humans have humanity.

>>14752
Chaos has been sealed, no new demons are being produced, you see piles and piles of dead taurus, asylum/ and capra demons, the bosses you fight are just a few of the demons that remain alive.

>>14754
There's a distinction in design, not in origin. That doesn't mean anything.

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Where are they now?

>>14751
>midget giants
That's a double negative

>>14760
yeah I get that, I was agreeing with that early.

>>14627

Zeus + a little Jesus.

Dark Souls is Christian-Greek-Norse mythology mashed up together.

>>14762
still in majula eating some nice succulent pork by the bonfire, having a nice cup of estus, enjoying the sunset <3

>>14740
Oh shit, I just realized that Bloodborne is what happens after the Demon's Souls bad ending, these games are all connected, very clever.

HOLD UP

I THOUGHT HOLLOWS ARE JUST PYGMIES WHO FUSED WITH HUMANITIES AND BECAME HUMANS

>>14763
Well pygmy giants.

>>14636
He's completely right though. Humanity has always served the gods, even the Pygmies have (except for the Furtive Pygmy, so easily forgotten). Read the item descriptions of the Slave Knight set, the Executioner's Greatsword, Gael's Greatsword, the Ringed Knight items, and so on. This is literally you not understanding a thing and telling people who do that they're dumb.

>>14754
>>14761

giant in the DaS universe are obviously some sort of golem race

>>14471
Easy: you write a cookie cuter story for a game franchise commissioned after the sleeper success of your 0 budget medieval masterpiece and toss it to the autistic fanboys who don't know the difference between passions and paychecks.

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What if they redubbed the games with American actors?

>>14471
How is it possible for there tk be someone else as powerful as the chosen undead???? When it's not like the game purposefully includes the notion that there are literally an infinite nukber of others constantly rolling rng dice at their life trying to become the most powerful. It's almost like a world with an infinite amount of time and possibility???? Fucking retard

>>14721

The starting classes represent a strong, healthy, adult.

The characters become demigods as the story progresses. Since Dark Souls attempts to have as little break bretween story and gameplay, this is what you become in-game as well. You really are 10x stronger than a normal person.

>>14760
I thought Dark Souls 3 implies that the Chaos Flame is slowly fading, just like the first flame they tried to emulate with it. I don't it's stated anywhere that chaos is still sealed.

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>>14766
>>14762
Seriously, the Bearer of the Curse is probably the luckiest Souls protagonist
>immortal
>not going insane
>too powerful to fuck with
>has a bunch of friends
>home is a comfy town
>has qt following him around that is absolutely loyal
>has a cute cat
>is able to go home after a long mission and watch the sunset with Shanalotte

>>14773
If it was American actors who were stage actors like the British actors apparently are, it might not be so bad. That's my favorite thing about Souls; the voice acting is consistently the best English voicing of any series.

>mfw the arena where you fight the Demon Prince is the original Firelink Shrine

>>14612
Gwyn didn't want the dark souls spreading. By locking the souls that already existed in one body and preventing them from splitting or multiplying he effectively did that.

>>14779
>That's my favorite thing about Souls; the voice acting is consistently the best English voicing of any series

That's because it's the only voice acting in the game so they put all the money into it, it's not like most japanese games that have both english and japanese audios, Dark Souls only has english even in Japan.

>>14776
Either way its basically gone and the result is no more demons and a tepid lake of ash

>>14777
true, and the other women in Majula obviously flirt with him a lot. You see how Rosabeth and Chloanne talk to the Bearer of the Curse.

>>14781
>>14770
Trying to reignite your lame argument 1 hour later. It's over dude, you got BTFO and everyone moved on

>>14781
>preventing them from splitting
The Darksign and humanity spread a shitload tho, even if we take the Abyss version then Manus ended up splitting as well.

Still remains a poorly though out and equally as poorly executed of a plan

>>14783
Yeah, not because of the Ivory King though. Making DKS2 completely irrelevant again.

I wish they just explained what happened to the primordial serpents after the events of Dark Souls 1, even if it was to say they were dead.

>>14787
regardless of what you say the dlc has confirmed that das2 is canon.

>>14785
>Implying I didn't just find this thread

>>14786
Everyone makes mistakes. The games are full of people trying to do something they think will save lives only for it to blow up and make everything worse.

>>14787
Yet again proving that anyone who uses any version of DKS instead of just DS is a complete retard

>>14782
Yeah, but I'm also referring to Western games. Are there any Western series with voice-acting as good as Souls?

>>14787
Don't know that though, it could have been a result of Ivory King sealing/trapping it if it is in fact the same chaos, or spawned from it

>>14523
yeah, that would be nice, except soulsfags are super entitled, and instead of actually discussing, its just a bunch of shitheads yelling that people are wrong and only reasoning with "play the game" or "nice fanfic." Its open to interpretation. unless its specifically stated in game or heavily implied, it can be what you want it to be. though some answers are more correct than others.

>>14784
>not courting best waifu Lucatiel
Lame taste desu

>>14790
Nigga then scroll up, we went through this argument ages ago, no making your opposition immortal is not a good idea and it worked out exactly as well as one should have excepted.