/smtg/ - Shin Megami Tensei General

First for law a shit

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Second for chaos.

what games?

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>>97166882
What about games?

>>97162630
Seriously? Fucking Ose. Is there even a final act to close the game's story? That's one of the things that kept me playing it until the US server was shut down. What happens between the law and chaos sides?

>>97167262
Yes the story closes with the fetus Fetus: Spared or not spared.

Then you have the next story which is alternate timeline shenanigans and sexy secretary Louis Cyphre and Universe Seth.

Now followed by the story of Godly Satan and the new Cathedral dungeon.

Which SMT protag is the biggest cuck?

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Just now realized that Miraishitposter's post got deleted last thread.
Wanted to impersonate him again because his identity is very important to him but it seems this won't be necessary anymore. Pretty sure Mirai is as grateful as me.
Thanks, based reporter/janny.

I've read that some of you guys think there will be a SMTIV Maniax coming out? Why do you think this again?
I mean there is no official announcement and I can't even think of what kind of content they could add. I think those story-related DLCs are all the additional content we get.

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>>97166747
My brother!

>>97167345
>alternate timeline shenanigans and sexy secretary Louis Cyphre

What? Is that what Beelzebub on the TMG Building was vaguely mumbling about? Something something, nice job breaking it hero, I'll be back, something something.

>>97167345
Do we know yet what the story about satan involves?

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>>97167583
Hoy!

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The most boring smt award goes to......

>>97171065
How can an award be boring?
Checkmate nocturnals.

>>97171065
B-but if you say that, autists will get mad. W-we better not say anything that triggers them.

>>97171065
I respect your opinion even though it's wrong because SMT II is easily the most boring.

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>>97171065
>This is what smtg actually believes.

SMT 1&2 fags are delusional as hell.

>>97171273
He either is just a troll or a faggot that hasn't played whole mainline yet.
Same holds true for you if you really agree with him.

>>97171471
I think its a good game. It just has to be addressed that there's huge boring stretches. Not as bad as 1 though.

So which is more boring, I or II? I say II.

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>>97171006
Hoy there.

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>>97171453
>SMT 1&2 fags are delusional as hell.
>1
>2

>>97171648
2 is more interesting in the story and better in fusion but EVRYTHING regarding to gameplay is complete shit in SMT 2.

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>>97171717
>171717

>>97171746
Sums up my thoughts perfectly.

>>97171746

We get it. Megaten games are poorly designed. But how do you pass off II as worse than I? I was a straight up clusterfuck that's worse than nes era rpgs.

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>>97171702
This general is ours now.

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>>97171065


s

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>>97171648
I agree because of the backtracking (which by the way isn't as bad as a lot of you make it out to be) although I think both aren't really boring, and they're really nice games when you play on PS.
Most boring (gameplay-wise) SMT I've played until now are the Devil Children games but those are pretty alright too if you look at them as Pokemon games which I unfortunately don't like anymore. I think I'd love DC if I still did.

>>97172140
>SMT

>>97172215
Thank you.

>>97171853
Magic is shit.
Negotiation is complete shit.
The Ui was inferior in my opinion.
Almost no battles gives mag wich is BS.
Man Eaters so early in the game just because fuck you.

On the bright side autobattle was better at least. If SMT 2 story was as interesting as 2 i would had dropped 2.

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>>97172119
I'm afraid I cannot accompany you for the climax of this story my friend!

>>97172458
Meant is SMT 2 story was the same as 1.

>>97172458
>Magic is shit.
Wrong.
>Negotiation is complete shit.
Wrong.
>Almost no battles gives mag wich is BS.
Wrong. I still don't get how you guys manage to have problems with MAG.
>Man Eaters so early in the game just because fuck you.
Ever heard of AG, LU?

>>97172680
It is

It is

Its true, seems only spirit/zombie type demons gives mag.

They dont help because ME null gun and ex skills and since magic is shit then you cant damage them.

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What's the verdict?

>>97173137
no memes/10

>>97173137
Its playable, but not one of the better games. Be prepared for long dungeons with bad design.

>>97172931
Then explain why magic and negotiation are shit, also don't forget that you're arguing for why II is worse than I.
>Its true, seems only spirit/zombie type demons gives mag.
Yes, if you fight them on your way, you have enough MAG. I never had MAG problems, even though I never grinded and always fled when I saw a Man Eater.

>>97173284
>always fled when I saw a Man Eater.
which is the reason why I brought AG and LU up by the way.

>>97173137
My favourite SMT game. You'll probably like it if you liked the old ones.

>>97173204
>Its playable
Oh my god.
>Be prepared for long dungeons with bad design.
Well, you can't expect much from SMT. The only game with really good dungeon design was Debisama.

>>97173284
Magic damage is pathetic, not even stacking makakaja makes it work shit. If you are going to say its not shit just because one single spell (That few demons have and that mp wont allow many casting) then fuck you.

Negotiation is complete RNG BS, some demons even fully negotiated will refuse to join. They give shit rewards. In SMT 1 negotiation is less RNG and more knowing the combination of answers specific to that demon type. Rewards are far better as well, mag and money is easier to get thanks to negotiation.

Mag is scarce as hell because almost no fight gives mag.

>>97173629
>SMT

>>97167418
Aleph because his girlfriends are dead and his mom

>>97173204
>Be prepared for long dungeons with bad design.
Bitch nigger detected

>>97173779
>RNG BS
Opinion discarded.
>some demons even fully negotiated will refuse to join
Ever considered differing alignments?
>In SMT 1 negotiation is less RNG and more knowing the combination of answers specific to that demon type
Like in II.
>Mag is scarce as hell because almost no fight gives mag.
Almost no fight is a lie and again, if you wouldn't have your demons out 24/7 like your dick then you'd have no problems with it.

>>97171453
I really like Louisa in Strange Journey where she appears for five seconds then fucks off forever

Guess Luci was just embarrassed whe he realized he left his pervy suit on instead of the german guy

Does Nocturne get better later on or is the entire thing entirely dogshit?

>>97176958
At least we got a game where he slightly fucked off, and let someone else represent chaos. The series is nice, but I don't get why they decided a core staple should be LACK of variety instead of more variety. The references to the old games would be more endearing if not that it generally symbolizes lack of new content.

>>97177212
>let someone else represent chaos

You mean a lazy fat woman laying all day and a mexican?

>>97177084
It's all trash

Play SJ

>>97177084
It gets good near the second half when the game actually bothers to tell you what the fuck and stuff actually starts to happen

I find it really hard to believe that the original release didn't have the Amala Labyrinth, because that creates some serious inconsistencies

>>97176958
At least we got a game where he wasn't fucking Squidward.

>>97177662
>inconsistencies
Like?

>>97177425
Not the mexican, since there's often human representatives. Mem aleph is interesting though, as a kind of counter yhvh. But at the same time ambiguous, since her name and nature and alignment makes it vague what she actually is. Her hair was fuck ugly, and should have been better, but that's another matter.

For a series that started about different religions, it kind of barely emphasizes religious content. No one actually thinks lucifer is an inspirational religious figure except edgy teenagers. So the chaos side in general would be better if it had more actual gods that anyone in real life actually cares about. Vairocana is one. Have someone like him actually be a more core representative. Having real religious figures floating around barely matters if only kind of one ending has to do with them. And considering games like II barely even that.

>>97177968
Like the only reason you got the bug was that you could be raised to be this badass demon that can help in the final battle. Plus you don't get any exposition on who the manikins or Aradia even are

>>97178267
Don't they tell you who the manikins are at Ginza?

>>97178267
>Like the only reason you got the bug was that you could be raised to be this badass demon that can help in the final battle.
He just wants you to fuck with the great will.

>Plus you don't get any exposition on who the manikins or Aradia even are
That's not an inconsistency.

>>97178362
They just tell you they are fake humans made of mud, only the Lady in Black tells you they are the dead people's emotions lingering on after the conception being born again

>>97178267

But that makes sense just fine in the original. In the original lucifer just says he wants you to take a good ending. Hikawa was the one who created the vortex world, and presumably originally was assumed to have the upper hand. Since he's making a lawful type world, to lucifer it could only have a net positive to empower anyone who could fight against him, and who would at the very worst, want an ending less lawful than him. For whatever reason he decided you were the best one to do this.

The manikins and aradia don't inherently need explination. Her backstory wasn't important to the main plot. Shes a mysterious god. That's all you needed to know. The manikins are vaguely explained by chiaki too.

The more pressing issue is that hijiri is obviously implied to be aleph by the extra content, but in the original game there wasn't much to hint at this. Since to you then he was some random guy who didn't die when he was supposed to, and did some random stuff, and then vaguely talked about wanting rest when Isamu killed him.

>>97178465
>He just wants you to fuck with the great will.
By helping a random vortex world do what vortex worlds are supposed to do anyway?

>>97178829
Resetting?

>>97178775
>he was some random guy who didn't die when he was supposed to
I just assumed he entered the hospital while you were fucking round the basement, then the game told me "Aren't you wondering why he isn't dead?"

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How does my Walter Mii look?

Is it worth playing SMT1, or should I just skip to the second one?

>>97179395
resize your fucking images

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>>97178775
>hijiri is obviously implied to be aleph

>>97179674
If you're a diehard fan who wants to play all of them, play it. If not, its worth skipping. You lose very little by skipping it.

>>97179830
Alright, thanks. I actually did play a couple of hours and wasn't really feeling it, wasn't sure if I should try to power through anyway though. Might come back to it later if I care enough I guess.

>>97179830
Is it worth being a diehard fan?

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>>97180279
Depends if you want to live the lawful lyfe. More content, no matter how similar or hard to get through helps develop a more complex theology.

>>97180548
Noice.

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>Kagutsuchi is shaped like an ovum inside of a protective shell
>After it's matured, a giant column is erected inside of it
>Everyone races uő the shelf to put themselves inside of it and create a new life
>Lucifer (who is pro-choice) hires an outside element to destroy all of these
>It's literally called Conception

>>97180548
Why isn't that whoer wearing a blindfold? She isn't even blonde. Fuck OFF fake demon girl

>>97181027
Why haven't you learned yet to ignore 3DPD?
I didn't even saw that disgusting shit, thanks for pointing it out, asshole.

>>97181027
Just because the games are too lazy to make alternate models for the "same" demon doesn't mean that all of them actually look completely identical. Why would all angels be Swedish anyways?

>>97181449
I thought there is only existing per each kind,but you can't have that many because videogames

>>97181449
Why would Angels look different? Why would they have individuality?
And why shouldn't they look all have blonde hair which is associated with purity, innocence and shit and goes pretty well with the black leather

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>>97182403
If you're using their in game model as an argument, you have to apply it to everything, even chaos demons like lilim, which all look the same in game. And if they wanted semi uniform designs, shit like throne wouldn't exist.

Blonde hair is reasonable, but not entirely ideal. It does match the black leather though.

>>97182729
>If you're using their in game model as an argument, you have to apply it to everything, even chaos demons like lilim
Yes, I do. Where is your problem? Models/sprites changing sometimes from game to game?
The demons look like that because that's how they are seen/depicted by humans, that's kinda the point. I never saw any statement in the games implying that every demon has individual looks, so your assumption is a bit reaching.
> And if they wanted semi uniform designs, shit like throne wouldn't exist.
What do you mean?

>>97183148
That was meant to say similar. And you're making a bizarre assumption. Game mechanics are as a standard in any game assumed to not inherently be 100% a representation of what you are meant to assume is literally happening in-universe. And your point points it out yourself. The same demon has different models in different games. Yet will share the same model in-game with all of that demon. Unless we're assuming that every single one changes their appearance simultaneously for no reason, then these things are obviously more of game mechanics than literal.

>>97183412
Then why doesn't every demon change appearance every game? Some demons changing is just fan service/for diversity.
What is my bizarre assumption? I'm not the one claiming that every demon looks different/has an individual appearance.
Yes, obviously game mechanics can be limiting but, like I said, never in this series was anything like them having an individual appearance mentioned. So the bizarre assumption would be exactly that which has no basis in any game. If it would only be because of game mechanic limitations, don't you think the developers would have deemed some mention in game or at least in an interview that they, in fact, look different necessary?

What characters can be named in Nocturne?

>>97184106
>Then why doesn't every demon change appearance every game?

Because their appearance is a game mechanic.

>never in this series was anything like them having an individual appearance mentioned.

It was never mentioned for "human" race enemies either. Are you literally assuming that that means its implying that there's hordes of identical looking humans roaming around? If this isn't assumed for humans, there's no reason for it to be for demons. And it would be bizarre at any rate to assume that chaos demons are like this, even if you can make an argument that law ones would see it as good. And arguably even law ones wouldn't see it as good, since like implied in the movie the giver detailing a law-like society, it can lead to confusion if people look the same when you're trying to give orders to them to do different things.

>If it would only be because of game mechanic limitations, don't you think the developers would have deemed some mention in game or at least in an interview that they, in fact, look different necessary?

No, because that would be a weird thing to bring up, because they know everyone assumes it anyways. If no other rpgs bring this up, why would they specifically bother? The fact that named characters show up with different appearances even when they're "one of them" is meant to be enough to hint that there's actually more diversity that they're just not showing since it would take too long to make unlimited models.

>>97188698
You, Sidekick McHat, Denim Dress, and Teacher Lady.

>>97188960
Thanks m8, named MC Kanye and wanted to make the other characters fitting

>>97188757
>it can lead to confusion if people look the same when you're trying to give orders to them to do different things.
>No, because that would be a weird thing to bring up, because they know everyone assumes it anyways.
Are you serious? Well, congratulations for your headcannon, I won't fight it.

What days is Yosuke free after school in Golden? Haven't seen him in a while.

Does any translation of Devil Summoner exist? I wanna play it.

>if... given a spot in SMT x FE trailer
>SJ doesn't
sjcucks btfo

>>97190420
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=persona+4+golden+social+link+schedule

>>97190602
Yes, there's a translation but they can't get it in the game for years.

>>97190914
>sjcucks
That doesn't even make sense. Just say "Strange Journalists"

>>97191743
So our dedicated reporters were strange journalists all along.

>SMTIV
>Hresvelgr

Wat do?

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I want to fuck Mirai

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Rank the top 3 hardest bosses in SMT, guys.

Aside from Demi-fiend, can't think of who would get second and third place, tho.

>>97206557
3. Beelzebub
2. Mot
1. Matador

;^)

>>97208402
1/10

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>>97206557
>family portrait for ants
>Digital-Devil-Saga-Party-Cielo-Game-Sera-Serph-Heat-Argilla.jpg
>Game
Fuck off, shithead.

>>97209107
reported

>>97209353
>announcing reports

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Nothen personnel kid

*summons elephant*

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>tfw Kaneko will never make another SMT in your lifetime

>>97210996
I'm always reminded of this line when I'm playing DeSu with a leader who can teleport.

You know, I just realized something. During the events of SMTII, Hiroko is probably lactating. That's pretty hot.

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>>97213796
Thigh-high stocking boots as well
Nice

Lel, one text option when talking to Miyako is "Yamatoppai"

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>>97216453
I mean she IS pretty stacked.

>>97198104
hello ,-o-'

>>97216586
What's with you and your ebin date maymay?

>>97216629
That picture is from the date though

>>97217185
Why are you obsessed with pushing that?

>>97217263
I'd push something on her if you catch my drift

>>97217263
Pushing what? I just post about it whenever we talk about Miyako, as it's a pretty large part of her character conclusion.

>>97217363
She looks exactly like her brother.

>>97217447
Those hips though.

>>97217390
Her character conclusion surrounds her accepting her human half and neglecting her other half. The closest Miyako gets to dating anyone is Io.

>>97217658
The Homotwins

>>97217658
Yeah, and she shows that human half while she's on the date. It shows that she's happy and herself for once.

>>97218151
Really, why are you obsessed with pushing this?

>>97218196
Pushing what? I think we're in agreement: her character arc revolves around her becoming more accepting of her humanity.

>>97218278
Pushing a "date". You've been doing it since the game came out. Everyone knows how the game goes now, it's on youtube, and we've even had moon speakers come in here and talk about it. There's nothing like that in the game.

>>97218375
I think you're confused. At the end of the game you and your friends go out with Miyako. You'd be a fool to deny this.

>>97218449
Io bumps into her and freaks out because she was supposed to disappear in the new world the MC and Yamato create. Io then pushes her in the car and slams to door in Daichi and MC's faces. They then go to meet up with the rest of the cast.

Your maymay is old. Don't play dumb.

>>97218632
No, you have outdated information. It's explicitly a get together with Miyako and your friends.

>>97218731
You're a retard.

>>97214263
Hiroko is really sexy. Aleph must have been conflicted as hell.

>>97218792
No, your stupid.

>>97219219
He probably wasn't very conflicted. They were attracted to eachother before they were parents, and he was clearly planning on boning her by the end.

>Entire thread is hidden

When did smtg get this bad?

>>97220839
You realize that this is your autism, hiding probably every word that can possibly show up, not anything about the thread itself, right?

Could've sworn somebody responded to my post, but that one is hidden as well.

>>97220932
Not him. This thread is shit.

>>97221212
It's been far worse.

>>97220375
Stop posting and stop forcing your fucking memes retard. Get the fuck out.

>>97221212
Not saying I disagree. It got strangely bad in the last ~3 weeks, filled with random gibberish, then eventually stopping in its tracks like a week ago.

>>97221334
>"I ate horseshit once, it tasted far worse than my own because of that I won't consider my own shit shit anymore."
Fascinating.

>>97221334
When has it been worse?

>>97221752
Lately.

>>97221889
Honestly, I think it was best during early fall or late summer or around, last year. It seemed like such a nice place back then, but now its just hordes of angry autists gtting mad at their own shitposts.

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>>97222197

>>97222313
is this a riddle or something

>>97222643
Its a shittle, if that sounts.

>In nocturne, the scaling magic attacks receive based on your level actually makes magic do LESS damage once you level up past a certain point
Why?

>For seemingly no reason, ragnarok and magma axis don't follow this rule and instead always increase in damage as you level up
Why?

>>97223406
because they really want to hammer in the whole WORLD OF STR PUNCH THINGS NO MAGIC shit for nocturne i guess

i like that more builds were viable in SMTIV, i hope they maintain that for future games

>>97223406
aren't those both physical

>>97223406
>In raidou, demons that can't heal are totally worthless, yet its rare to get one with healing, and fusing is shit terrible.

Thanks, Obatlus.

>>97223552
ragnarok is mega fire and mama axis is this wierd move that costs HP but does fire damage and scales with your magic stat

>>97223526
DDS has the best balance between the two types from what I've seen

and really magic is great for the first 80% of nocturne or so, it just falls off at the end because of the bullshit way it scales starting to kick in and you start getting stuff like deadly fury

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>>97223662
>set demon to auto
>wastes all his mana in five minutes

>set demon to none
>gets himself killed

>set it to manual
>not spamming it gets your demon killed
>spamming it wastes all his mana

After a while I just gave up and beat everything up myself

>>97221342
No Brad, your stupid.

>>97222197
>Honestly, I think it was best during early fall or late summer or around, last year.
My sides.

>>97224402
I just set them to use physical attacks if I wanted to conserve magic. Money wasn't lacking, and dungeons were short, so its not like healing mp was impossible.

>>97224530
When do you think was better then?

>>97224632
>When do you think was better then?
Post-DeSu2, at SH, and pre-SMT4.

Times when we had friday streams and such.

>>97223406
>Spend literal hours doing the puzzle minigame
>Get a magatama with resistances/stats I'll never use at that point in the game and skills I'd never take over other stuff

Why?

>>97224891
To get the last magatama :3c

>>97224891
Solving the puzzle is its own reward.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IckRhKXfWxo

>>97223406
>You can avoid getting dragged into fighting trumpeter, but only randomly.

>Black Rider is on the second floor of the hospital

How are you even supposed to learn that shit on your own? Like, is there an npc somewhere?

Although nowhere near as bullshit as the hidden Mara room

Just got to Wednesday in BR.

Daichi's dream where he and Yamato die is incredibly depressing. I haven't been that moved while playing a game for a while. Poor Yamato could barely handle watching Daichi die it and fakes that he's unharmed to comfort Daichi, but he's actually fatally wounded and collapses after Daichi dies. The voice acting delivery was really nice. That was really sad, holy shit.

The way Saiduq carries Yamato off is a little amusing though. Saiduq takes him by the hand and it looks like that famous The Creation of Adam painting.

>>97225357
>it looks like that famous The Creation of Adam painting.
Deliberate perhaps?

>>97225339
There literally is, anon
Are you telling me you didn't explore every room of the first Kalpa?

>>97225843
I didn't go backtrack to every kalpa after every cutscene, no

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>>97225951
Anon, yer dumb
There's a demon in the first floor Kalpa who tells you where Fiends are
You just go to her whenever to want to find one, and she tells you the area they're in

>>97226084
...fucking kill me, I feel like an utter retard

I've spent ages backtracking every area trying to find him

So, are there any cool must buy SMT books? I can't think of any other than Quantum devil saga.

http://www.amazon.com/Megami-Tensei-Strategy-Guide-Japanese/dp/4893661949/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1426381333&sr=1-10&keywords=shin+megami

If anyone wants you can get strategy guides in Japanese for II for under $10. That's a cool thing.

>>97226403
http://www.amazon.com/Kazuma-Kaneko-Works-Megami-Tensei/dp/477530609X

>>97226515
I will own this
One day...

>>97226515
That's $130. I don't mind spending that on books, but I wouldn't on one book.

>>97226251
http://www.formwave.com/nocturne/fiend.html
Try this site. Got info on every Fiend plus Magatama locations and skills

>>97226841
I wanted to finish the game without cheating

I'm not sure whether to buy the first quantum devil saga now or not. I hate reading books when I don't have the sequels.

Is it even any good? The first page looked oddly written. Does anyone know how the series in general diverges from the games? I hear it does more later on. But does this just mean trivial events, or does it not even end in the sun. I always thought DDS would make a cool 2001 style book, with the sin presented as more surreal than it was in game.

>>97225553
Possibly. It wouldn't be unlikely for it to be a reference, with it being a Megaten game, and the themes of the game, and it amusingly fits the character's roles to an extent. What I've read about Yamato's route would also fit a reference. I've also seen Japanese people crack jokes about Yamato and Bunny being Adam and Eve but I haven't got far enough yet to comment on anything like that myself.

>>97228381
I can only see Yamato as the Eve.

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For >>>97164079

>>97171404
>empty room
>empty room
>empty room
>empty room
>backtracking
>backtracking
>1 minute elevator ride
>backtracking
>empty room

>>97176026
Are you that faggot who tries to argue about SMT1/2 but played the PSX versions?

SMT 2 negotiation is broken as fuck, due to the nature of the translation (and Gideon being shit),

>>97230537
Negotiation is pretty much shit in every game. Where have you been?

>>97230632
Did you even play SMT 2? The dialogue is straight up broken in places.

>>97179914
2 is exactly the same as 1, so you might as well skip it too.

>>97230764
Yes. Was a few years ago, so I don't remember perfectly. But I don't remember having any problems.

>>97230914
Cancer, get out.

>>97182729
So... this is Elly, right?

>>97231040
Yep. She's a total babe.

Anybody know where to find a good link to IV's ost? OP's link is still broken and I can't find any torrents.

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Is Schopenhaur chaos?

>>97232131
Did you try the massdestruction tumblr?

>>97235415
That's the link I meant from OP.

The two IV ones are incomplete, the tumblr was going through some issues last time I tried.

>>97235747
Damn, and I downloaded most of my SMT OSTs from there.

Then I can't help you since I got them from there.
Just remember that there are 4 volumes and a music collection (which is the disc that comes with the special edition of the game).

I fucking hate when I use an Impel Stone while fighting an Omoikane and I still don't hit any of them.

>>97238070
>not just cheesing it and using a guide and save states for maximum monetary gains
It's not the XP/Atma that matters, but the cash. Mantras are so fucking expensive in DDS2.

>>97238471

I was using a guide but I didn't have the Block Ring on cause I'm dumb. I just got unlucky enough to have 4 attacks all void and it ended up being the 5th formation.

I want to get Isabeau drunk. She doesn't seem like she'd be able to hold her liquor very well

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>>97245719
>Trying to drunk rape girls.

>>97247695
It wouldn't be like that. I'd give her an asprin and tuck her into bed.

>>97247794
what kind of shit are you getting drunk on that this is the resolution

>>97247695
No, you rape them, THEN get them drunk.

>>97248296
Not blackout drunk or anything, silly. Just pretty tipsy.

>>97248367
I didn't even mean blackout drunk.

>>97248850
Oh, okay.

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>>97229935
Thanks, anon.

>>97230537
>1/2
Yes.

How come we're so dead on a Friday night?

>>97253654
because it's Sunday morning

>>97253712
Wait, really?

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>>97253654
>>97253712
>>97253797
This made my night, thanks /smtg/

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>Chiaki is the embodiment of chaos, via getting Gozu-Tennoh and preaching about killin the weak and all

>Gets a huge follower of angels

...wha?

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>>97257065
It's her beauty.

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>got through the diet building with no problems other than Samael
>get to the bottom of the Labyrinth of Amala
>oh hey this cutscene is really cool
>get to the tower of Kagatsuchi
>get into a terminal to activate it
>nah I won't save
>very next battle I get into a Flauros kills me with Deathbound while I was paralyzed

I want to die.

>>97258089
>>nah I won't save
Literally what?

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>>97258089
>not saving every chance you get
you brought this upon yourself, anon

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>>97258089
>not having Endure

>>97257065
Reasons are not alignments, you fucking idiot. Reasons are used to forget order form the chaos of the conception, and remove freedom because freedom bad. Freedom is chaos.

Trying to emulate Raidou & the soulless army on PCSX2. Every time I press square outside of battle, it crashes. I've scoured the PCSX2 forums but nobody else has this problem. I think it brings up a menu, but is it vital to play through the game?

>>97257065
yosuga is clearly the reason the angels would like the most, as instead of a normal chaosfag anarchist hellhole of eternal war it's a place where people have set stations in life essentially from birth and there aren't a bunch of useless people standing around

compared with "nothing ever happens: the reason" or "everyone is a neet" it's not even a content for a bunch of order and hierarchy loving angels

Hello from Amazon.ca.

We wanted to let you know there's a delay with one or more items in the order you placed.

"Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker - Nintendo 3DS"
Estimated ship date: May 08, 2015
If anything this is a reminder email to cancel my order.

Was DeSu a good SMT game? What could be done for it to be better? What were it's flaws?

>>97265095
I enjoyed DeSu, that being said I found it to be a bit grindy for macca. Some objectives were annoying, like saving people or helping them escape.The voice acting of some characters are ear rape like that cosplay chick. Other than that, its a pretty solid game.

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Demi-Fiend get's pretty overpowered at higher levels.

>>97268252
He is Lucifers chosen champion.

What's the worst SMT in your opinion?

>>97270857
Your favorite SMT

>>97270857
Out of the pool I've played, Persona 4.

>>97270857
Ultimax

>>97271592
>>97271653
>SMT

>>97270857
Of the ones I've actually played, 2.

>>97270857
Nocturne

>>97270857
>mentioning anything but card summoner or the pinball game

hurr durr look at me fishing for replies i dont like thing that make me smart

>>97272025
>Card Summoner
>Bad
You literally duel Toilet Ghosts with demons like Shota cupid Haniel.

>>97271949
>Of the ones I've actually played, 2.

>>97273083
>

>>97271949
Then in that case I'd say SMT: IV, only because that's the only SMT game I've played besides Nocturne besides the Persona games.

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Am I still good?

Isn't this one of the few SMTs where you should go magic with the MC?

>>97275274
Magic is best, but you can go either in DDS.

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>>97275274
You're fine - any build works fine in DDS1/2. Hell, you could even get real ballsy and dump everything into LU/AG if you wanted.

>>97276120
do balanced/hybrid builds work?

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>>97276517
Gale's stat spread is pretty balanced and he's a great party member, so yes. Provided you've got the cash to spare since you'll be shelling out double for both physical and magical mantras, a balanced or hybrid build can work well.

>>97276120
>3 Luck
I thought Luck was important? What does it do in this game?

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>>97276954
I wouldn't say important, but it's definitely helpful unless you're planning on fighting Demi-fiend. LU in DDS increases your crit rate, general item drop rate and your chances of applying ailments with skills that have ailments attached to them, for example Venom Claw.
High LU combined with a skill like Chi Blast - which has an already high crit rate - means you'll be getting extra turns out the ass.

I just spent the past hour and a half, that's right, ONE HOUR AND THIRTY MINUTES doing nothing else but running around in circles in Antlia like an AUTIST trying to get a SINGLE Fairy Wings drop. ONE DROP.
Before anyone goes into the old shitposty "hurf durf why didn't you ge tthat one sub app with a stupid japanese desu name which gives you extra drop rate" I HAD IT ALL THE TIME. AND IT STILL TOOK ME 90 MINUTES.

I FUCKING HATE VIDEO GAMES.

Where can I find audio samples of Walter's lines from SMT:IV?

>>97206557
GORE IS BURSTING WITH POWER

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>First time playing Strange Journey
>Maya
>Do my usual opener of prodding with every element to see what sticks.
Skill User was instantly killed!
>mfw

GG Atlus.

>>97280362
If you attack Maya with anything that isn't a gun, you die instantly.

Just another quiet day in /smtg/.

>>97282082
It's better this way.

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>>97282082
it's cozy tho

>>97282082
Preferable to nonstop shitposting and arguing.

>>97259410
>>not saving every chance you get
Which really is fucking annoying in IV. I saved 2416 times according to the playlog.

>>97262312
What?

>>97272025
Card Summoner is a nice game, fuck you.
What pinball game? The real life one where you one of the prizes was a demifiend figurine? Have you even played it?

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>>97283203
>What pinball game?
The one on phones

>>97283294
Wow, didn't know about that one.
Do you know of a way to download and play the phone games? There are some decent ones from what I know.

i can't wait two months for this game.

i swear, i am going to end up freezing myself.

>>97285787
Go to bed Cartman.

>>97285787
Did I stumble into a DAI thread?

>>97285787
>Smt game
>coming out

Almost fell for it

>>97285853
i'm being serious though, i'm thinking about sending myself into a comatose state for a while until the day record breaker comes out.

>>97286226
But it's already out.

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>>97286226
>record breaker

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>>97286226
Why stop there when you could just never wake up?

What's with the shitty music they added to AiHina's concert in the English version? It's not there in the JP version and it's not even idol music. They showed it in the RB stream. Sounds like a couple of drunk girls slowly wailing into a microphone.

They turned a fun idol concert into some sleazy shit.

>>97289065
>They turned a fun idol concert into some sleazy shit.
So nothing is changed, huh

>>97289170
tumblr pls go

>>97289065
It doesn't matter because everyone is importing anyway.

>>97289170
I didn't know idols sounded like Amy Winehouse wannabes.

>>97289612
No, they just fucks fat old businessmen to play at concerts where hundreds of neets scream in delight as they are imagining they are taking her sweet virginity (lol) away

>>97289462
well the more I read about shit like that coming from FatlusUSA the more I want to import too and follow english youtube uploads on mute when it comes out

>>97289934
>(lol)
Most of the entertainment industry works like that.

I'm 4 hours in SJ and I'm still in Antila and all I've been doing is hoarding sources. Gotta catch 'em all.
I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with them. I just have this sinking feeling that I will end up not using any of them, ever. Any tips on demon fusion?

>>97291256
Forma are used to create items (in addition to macca)
Sources that demons give you are used in fusion and grant more skills

why has there not been a jojo x smt game yet?

>>97293254
SMT is shit

>>97293469
well youre not wrong

>>97293254
it would make it blatantly obvious that SMT rips off so much from Jojos

>>97294153
by smt you mean persona right?

>>97294252
both

>>97294313
oh, ok then, how about we all get together, jerk it onto a pancake and the last person that hasnt bought record break 2 has to eat the pancake

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>>97293254
>Everything is a JoJo reference!
>Lets make this guy do A JOJO POSE!
>How would a crossover of X and JoJo look like?
I like JoJo but man the fanbase has gotten insufferable

>>97295323
that's literally a Jojo pose though

>>97295323
man, I only started watching the show literally yesterday and I always see how kaneko talked to the dude that draws jojo so why not
or at least make some of the jojo characters secret personas or something, some little nod to their inspiration

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>>97295915
Yeah, you're right. Check out Serph, he's in this iconic Jojo pose that's the most blatant reference I've ever seen. Sometimes it feels like the entire world is referencing Jojo

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>>97295915
almost, but not really. Maybe the pose is just trying to show off the mark and not trying to be yet another pointless reference? The position of the arm is the only thing resembling that one pose
>>97296215
ahem
Yeah I don't know, it's cool and all but this is just pandering at that point

>>97296337
dont be an asshole

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How long is DDS?
I'm currently at the 18 hour mark I think, in the sewers to be exact. Just escaped the ship.

The game is great fun and all, but holy shit the encounter rate is ridiculous. The enemies don't even change much, so battles become a chore. The same boss THRICE, visiting the same cities at least twice, those awful puzzles in the castle that punish your for making a wrong choice by making you run through the same paths over and over...
The game is good and I like the plot and characters, but maaaaaaan does it drag. The game is soo full of padding and grinding, it's unbelievable, and I heard DDS1 isn't even that long.
Is DDS2 significantly better?

>>97220574
recruiting demons and banging hee-hoes

>>97171065
>posting a day old post

I vote DDS as the most boring SMT.

>>97296496
oh wow, I didnt even know about that, good enough for me

>>97297327

>The sewers.
You're past the halfway mark basically.

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>>97300446
>halfway
Fuck. I think I can't take this anymore... From the castle forward everything has been soo fucking boring...

If DDS2 is significantly better I could push myself to complete this, but I think as much as I hate doing that I might drop this one

>>97297327
>Is DDS2 significantly better?
yes, the encounter rate is less savage, there isn't anything as annoying as the puzzles in the castle and the "fight this boss multiple times" guy you only fight twice (and they have a way more interesting gimmick)

>>97301371
when he said "halfway" he means "almost halwfay, assuming both games are considered one supergame"

there are two dungeons after the sewers and DDS1 is over, assuming you don't bother with the bonus bosses (that get you useful but not really worthwhile items in the sequel)

>>97297327
>The enemies don't even change much, so battles become a chore.
So it's an SMT game?

because you can set your skills so that everyone should always be able to hit a weakness and hunt skills that let you do huge chunks of damage to enemies you should be able to win in the first round even more than you do in every other SMT game

>>97257065
Nocturne has atrocious writing. Don't try to make sense of it.

>>97304008
what about >>97260692 doesn't make sense?

just because it isn't the same LAW IS BAD CHAOS IS PRETTY COOL NEUTRAL IS THE BEST ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS ARE ASSHOLES horseshit as every other SMT game doesn't mean it's "atrocious"

>>97304154
Almost everyone here agrees that its writing is terrible. Please go.

>>97304246
>everyone in my hugbox agrees, so it's true

you guys also think posting walter reaction images is still funny two years later

>>97304246
>Almost everyone here agrees that its writing is terrible.
Speak for yourself, faggot.

>>97304414
Use the shift key faggot.

>>97304528
>using the Shift-Key-Faggot
Shift-Key-Faggot is a faggot, yes, but he has feelings too, you fucking asshole.
Use the comma key, faggot.

>>97304517
Drop a strawpoll if you don't believe me.

>>97304414
If you refer to /smtg/ as a hugbox why are you even here?

>>97304902
Are you one of those strawpoll retards?
Those aren't representative at all. Pretty sure that there are more people besides myself in this general that don't bother with that shit.

>>97304154
Because it makes no sense in the context of the story, and this isn't true at any rate. Spinning chiaki as "more ordered" than chaos makes no sense. Chaos being a literal free for all in a jungle didn't even exist until strange journey. In the first game, gouto was chaos. In the second game, it made it clear that lucifer ruled a hierarchical kingdom. In the first game also, yama was chaos, and yama is basically an angel of judgement. It having basic order doesn't make it law. Its effectively totally identical to chaos of other games. the only thing making it law is another "even more chaos" option. Its arguably stronger chaos than had even been in series up to that point.

This also kind of handwaves that that's not how the angels act other than in II where the center was a bad joining of law and chaos people into a dark law paradigm. But yosuga isn't even like the center. It makes it obvious that its a free for all where you get your position by fighting. Which is why chiaki fights you at the end even if you agree with her.

And it doesn't make much sense at any rate. Every game since then introduces angels as acting nothing like that. And even in nocturne, the angels call kagutsuchi an arrogant god. So at best the idea is that angels are just a race that can act in any number of ways, so this group was trying to do something different, and setting up this kind of order. The problem is that for some reason gabriel was with them. Unless like in DDSII she just continually gets roped into shit she disagrees with. And while it makes sense that shijima has demons working for it instead of angels, the ones chosen were clearly all pretty chaotic demons. And lets not even get into the lack of a clear idea of what kagutsuchi is, or how yhvh relates to any of this. The entire game came off more like they just didn't think through the story more than it did accurately showing the bigger universe.

>>97305298
Do you have a better way to poll the thread on something?

>>97305393
Yes, not polling at all. You'll never get a representative amount for anonymous posters, keep in mind that those numbers don't count Unique Posters like claimed but IPs instead which can't show the amount of people here.
Just don't speak for the majority of an uncertain mass, problem solved.

I am going to download and watch the Megami Tensei and Tokyo Revelation OVA's tonight as they are recommended in the chart. I was wondering if the Devil Children and the Devil Children: Light and Dark animes were worth watching though. Has anyone seen them?

>>97306370
Are the OVA's worth downloading? Is anything worth your time? Is your life worth living? Are these questions worth answering? Are retards worth retarding? Is a thing worth existing? Is is worth ising?

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>>97304902
>Drop a strawpoll if you don't believe me.

>>97306370
They're mediocre.

>>97306654
>>97306696
Alright, thanks. I won't bother with them then.

>>97306745
ur wellcum, bby.

>>97305386
The entire amala-multiverse thing was too big to just have it handwaved away in contrast of the old games. It always bothered me

>>97306654
fuck off chaosfag

>>97307129
Please explain how you've come to that retarded conclusion that that post is in any way related to chaos.

>>97305386
>Spinning chiaki as "more ordered" than chaos makes no sense
That isn't what I said at all, just that her reason has way more order than the other options.

> Chaos being a literal free for all in a jungle didn't even exist until strange journey.
The mantra

>In the first game, gouto was chaos
And that was martial law forcibly keeping people in check.

> In the second game, it made it clear that lucifer ruled a hierarchical kingdom
That's why 80% of the chaos types only talk about breaking shit and all of the gaeans that aren't some sort of japanese priest are instead something out of mad max

>In the first game also, yama was chaos, and yama is basically an angel of judgement.
that's because of the shitty way the early games define what counts as chaos (IE everything that is from east asia is chaos because they're written as the "good" side)

> Its effectively totally identical to chaos of other games. the only thing making it law is another "even more chaos" option. Its arguably stronger chaos than had even been in series up to that point.
none of this has anything to do with what I said because I never said it was law (although spoilers all the reasons are law because they all support the great will), just that it's the only reason that even sort've makes sense for angels to be helping.

>This also kind of handwaves that that's not how the angels act other than in II
You mean the last SMT game before nocturne? Yeah, what kind of idiot would assume that?

>But yosuga isn't even like the center. It makes it obvious that its a free for all where you get your position by fighting.
watch the scene again, weak or useless people would literally not exist and everyone would be more or less set into their station from the start. It's a hyper-caste system.

>>97307405
>Which is why chiaki fights you at the end even if you agree with her.
She fights you because otherwise she'd be a hypocrite. Just because in yosuga world things would be set from the start who's stronger than who that hasn't happened yet, so she has to see which of you is actually stronger and more worthy of actually kickstarting things.

> Every game since then introduces angels as acting nothing like that.
that's because those games go back to the more traditional law v chaos bullshit and specifically talk about YHVH to one degree or another. in nocturne it was a specific situation while later games go back to the more "this will effect more or less the universe" options for it's endings.

>And even in nocturne, the angels call kagutsuchi an arrogant god.
What does this have to do with anything?

>So at best the idea is that angels are just a race that can act in any number of ways, so this group was trying to do something different, and setting up this kind of order.
Or it's that they can't themselves make a reason so they're supporting the only obvious choice because the others are not even close to what they'd want, while yosuga has elements of stuff they like.

> And while it makes sense that shijima has demons working for it instead of angels, the ones chosen were clearly all pretty chaotic demons.
they were pretty lawful/emotionless demons like night/fallen angels instead of the "lets break stuff and murder" types that all went with the mantra. the fact that the goeitia demons are considered chaos even though they very specifically follow contracts and have set abilities they can grant their summoner is part of the reason why the law/chaos dichotomy falls apart

> And lets not even get into the lack of a clear idea of what kagutsuchi is, or how yhvh relates to any of this.
why does any of this matter?

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>>97307568

> The entire game came off more like they just didn't think through the story more than it did accurately showing the bigger universe.
Or they didn't care about making a direct sequel to a game that came out 10 years earlier and thus didn't shove a billion references to it.

I appreciate you actually answering

>>97307365
Your worldview in that post was very similar to someone who'd generally have a chaos alignment

It's a joke

>>97307868
Fuck, I'm sorry.

>>97307689
because it's a video game

>>97307405
>although spoilers all the reasons are law because they all support the great will)
I know that your post structure makes it obvious you're retarded, but you don't have to openly announce it. In IV mastema says God secretly wants neutral. If he's on some level telling a form of the truth, and neutral is a backup, that doesn't make it law. In II you're going against yhvh even on law. That doesn't make it chaos. Law is more than doing whatever as long as the great will allows it. Which is why nocturne also pointed out that the great will tried a more neutral world before.

> it's the only reason that even sort've makes sense for angels to be helping.
Except that shijima literally set the tone for how all future law endings would be, and it was already more or less there in II. Gabriel pointed out in II that the center was wrong, and went away from it. If yosuga is a continuation of the center, then its simply bad writing that gabriel now for some reason is in it. Especially since The way hikawa talks about "the world" would make this obviously law if he used the word god or great will instead.

>>97307730
that didn't come out right, I meant to say I appreciate that you actually answered my question and explained why you think it's bad instead of just funposting

>>97308172
Are you really using SMT4 to try and argue that smt3 has bad writing? What, were they fucking time travelers and knew that 8 years later they had this story idea in mind?

>.Especially since The way hikawa talks about "the world" would make this obviously law if he used the word god or great will instead.

law ending = praise godjesus, live according to my commands

in a world with absolutely no emotions at all this can't happen because you won't give a fuck about praising him and won't care to live according to his will

shijima and musubi are both neutral as hell "I don't care about anything" endings

>>97307568
>they were pretty lawful/emotionless demons like night/fallen angels instead of the "lets break stuff and murder" types that all went with the mantra. the fact that the goeitia demons are considered chaos even though they very specifically follow contracts and have set abilities they can grant their summoner is part of the reason why the law/chaos dichotomy falls apart

They had shit like incubuses working for them. Some of the less angry looking goetia demons and samael maybe, but the tone didn't have any obvious orderly basis. And working for a summoner for a contract is a stretch to call overly law.

>>97307689

Why is it that in the beginning of Persona 4 the gas station attendant tells you you can work at the gas station but you never actually can?

>>97308672
>law ending = praise godjesus, live according to my commands
>
>in a world with absolutely no emotions at all this can't happen because you won't give a fuck about praising him and won't care to live according to his will
>
>shijima and musubi are both neutral as hell "I don't care about anything" endings

This might be the stupidest thing I've seen anyone write down in this general yet.

>>97308829
Why in nocturne does lucifer want to destroy the world when the chaotic religion are called gaians and want to live in tune with nature in every other game?

>>97306654
>>97306696
Wow, what the fuck
The OVA's are SMTG treasure

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>there are people who thought that SMT x FE was dead
What now fuckers

>>97316373
ayy lmao

>>97316373
Yes, yes, baby, it is still confirmed! Please don't start punching the wall or mama this is nappy-nappy time

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>>97309104
Why is everything in Sector E resisting physical?

>>97317842
Mana is so cheap, just spam that shit

If fucking Rangda is giving you trouble don't even bother with the final boss(es) just turn the game off, like, right now

>>97318092
I'm not having trouble, it's just a bit annoying I can't autobattle through everything like I could prior. I haven't even found Rangda yet.

>>97318207
Okay

>>97306967
I don't think Nocturne is necessarily a black sheep in the series, far from it, but I imagine it's a bit of an odd subject around the office given how much of it was Cozy's baby and he immediately left afterwards.

>>97317842
is dio chaos

This may be the SMT general but you did watch the Persona 3 movies though, did you?

>>97323247
I've never even played a Persona game. Why would I?

>>97323476
Because they have great gameplay and characters? Persona 3 is probably one of the best SMT games.

>>97323706
this entire thread just got triggered

More Daichi deja vu.

Yamato was in the same position, in the same pose as Bunny currently is in Daichi's flashback of Arcturus killing them

Interesting.

Also I just want to add that Ronaldo is actually kinda cool now. Keita hasn't pissed me off either and I'm finding myself agreeing with his commentary often.

>>97323247
Fuck off to /pg/

>>97323247
I plan to soon, just haven't had much time to watch it lately

>>97323798
>>>/v/