/smtg/ Shin Megami Tensei General

>>85453232
Is that Biyomon?

which game has the best alignment ending

>>85453547
SJ, chaos.

Punch bros in the dick.

>>85453547
DeSu

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>>85453547

Here. I'll tell it to you in riddle form:

Judgement has come ___ you.

>>85453689
dat satan satans.

Hua Po is my waifu.

What kind of body type would YHVH have if he wanted one?

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>>85453689
>Law ending
Not even once. There isn't a single game where Chaos isn't best choice.

>>85453821
Two can play at that game.

>>85454119
look at all these dicks.
man.
i am salivating.

>>85454104
Sexy Milf

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>>85454119
>mustard filled nipples

>>85454119

>tiamat
Poor man's satan

>lilim
Poor man's angel

>mem aleph
Poor man's yhvh.

>lucifer trying to be manipulating.
Inferior to both mastema and satan, but in different ways. Also inferior to merkabah.

>lilith
poor man's gabriel.

>beelzebub for second fiddle
Poor man's satan.

>lucifuge in general
lol no. Its not even worth your time to compare him to metatron.

Is there a single way that chaos doesn't get BTFO?

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>>85453469
It's ベール, obviously. A Griffon of death and hell, also a king.
It has nothing to do with Digimon or Pokemon. That it can digivolve/evolve is pure coincidence.
Don't be a fool.

>>85454550
Lucifrost, bitch

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>>85454550
Free will. And Lucifrost.

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>>85454550

>>85454639
>>85454704

http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Lucifroz

Ooh. Bad news. He's actually law aligned. Sorry you had to find out this way.

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>>85454794
>he saw Lucifer frozen in his lake of tears. Believing that this demon was the fabled "Snow Overlord" he was searching for, he tried many different things and was eventually able to impersonate Lucifer. He then returned to Hell to become Lucifer's minion, but by then Lucifer had vanished.

>Law aligned

>>85454794
How so? Unless I'm mistaken he's in games where demons don't have defined alignments.

>SMT IV is $20~ for Ausfags
>Soul Hackers is $70

WHAT

>>85455072

That was a nice attempt at a save, but it falls short. Being a snow demon, when the other snow demons banished him, he immediately assumed the big king thing frozen in ice like a little bitch was some kind of snow king, so he wanted to emulate that since he didn't know lucifer was frozen since he was literally too much of a bitch to stop crying and freezing himself. He wasn't trying to become chaotic. He mistakenly emulated the wrong person. And in the end, becomes herald race. That's not even just law. Its light too, and by soul hackers standards its Ex. Law. It even says he has nothing to do with the real lucifer other than copying him by accident.

>>85455273

He also appears in soul hackers as herald race. So his only official alignment is law.

>Chaos BTFO again. They don't even have the best lucifer.

>>85455407
>He also appears in soul hackers as herald race. So his only official alignment is law.
Do demons have specific stated alignments in Soul Hackers? Because otherwise him being Herald doesn't mean shit for alignment.

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>>85455535

Yes. They do. As the post you're responding to just stated. Soul hackers actually has more in depth alignments than mainline. In the same way for your main character in mainline there's a distinction between just being law/chaos enough that at the end you can't pick the opposite ending, and where it forces you onto specifically that path, in soul hackers for demons there's alignment, and Ex alignment, which means further down that path. Herald race is Ex law, which means he's not even a casually law demon.

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I want to fuck Mirai

>>85456089

Like, when she's older, or...

>>85455337
Yurope got a massive discount on IV because of how long it was delayed for and because it was digital only, unlike Soul Hackers

Why are we pretending stated demon alignment matters in most games? Its usually just a side effect from the clan they thought would be fitting. Masakado has been chaos, Mem Aleph was neutral, Alilat and Baal were both Ex. Law, and Satan is typically a tyrant nowadays. Shit is always all over the place.

>>85456450

>being this obviously BTFO about lucifrost being law.

>>85456594
What? I was saying its stupid to claim demons for either side unless they're actively working towards a particular ending ingame.

>>85454550
>Is there a single way that chaos doesn't get BTFO
Beelzebub

>>85457167

As "big" strongest second to lucifer in the way satan is to yhvh, he's definitely trailing a little behind. If you want to compare satan to lucifer instead, and metatron to beelzebub maybe you have a point.

>>85457332
metraton is a beta bitch

>>85457367

Metatron's definitely the worst law character, unless you want to count Uriel's hair as an independent character.

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>>85454104
>>85454397
Would you a YHVH?

>>85458094
No. This is why you shouldn't date demons.

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>>85458094
With that body? Who wouldn't?

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>>85458094
P-P-PERSONA

Do you think we'll ever get a permanent Neutral ending?

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>>85458094
I don't even. What the hell is that thing?

Does anyone else not like the fusion system in smt4? I mean searching and stuff is useful as is being able to fuse things from your compendium. But I really just prefer the old system where you picked two demons and it had a grid thing. I hope the next game has both systems.

>>85458681

What would that even look like? Opening a black hole in the abyss, and imaginary numbers realm to pull all the magnetite / magatushi into it, thus ending demons' ability to spawn in the human world ever again? Even so, you'd still have law and chaos human characters.

CHIAKI BESt

What are the most important Apps to get at the start of SMT IV? I'm thinking ones based around demon negotiations would be top priority right?

>>85458681
That wouldn't be a neutral ending per definitionem, my friend. The endings are not endings but merely attempts to protect the shitty status quo out of fear for the perfect world.
It is just running away from the inevitable through the means of killing everyone but themselves.

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>>85458883
A united humanity that creates true utopia with hard work and perseverance while demons slowly lose their influence and wither away.

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Define an alignment with a philosophy

>Chaos
>Egoist anarchism

>>85459171

>yosuga
>the republican party.

>>85458681
There is no permanent Neutral ending.
Neutrality is an eternal struggle. A near hopeless fight where humanity repeats the same mistakes over and over in countless worlds.

>Law and Chaos
>Both are extremes
>I'd rather be neutral than work for one or the other outright

>>85457593
I don't get it, what are the black bars covering?

>>85459171

>musubi
>autism

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>>85459234
>yosuga
>an alignment
Alignmentfags should just fuck off or finally accept that reasons are in every way superior.

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>>85459171
>Law
>Eudaimonia

>>85459309

That's a thing in some hentai. I don't know whether its actually a requirement, but since porn in japan legally requires, or at least used to, censored genitals, some hentai is drawn with "joke" censors that don't really cover anything. Whether they think they really need to do that or not I'm not sure.

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>>85459393
It'd be pretty neat if we got three new Reasons every game, I'd be on board.

Yosuga a shit though. Shijima is the best Reason.

>>85459309
The redeemable qualities, intelligence, morality and virtue of that faggot that is known as Mirai anon.
To sum it up: nothing.

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>>85459401

Eudaimonia isn't an ideology. Its a word for saying you lived a good and / or happy life that different ideologies define differently.

More like
>Law
>neostoicism.

At least since nocturne and on law has taken on a more explicitly stoic nature. And neostoicism is basically stoicism revived in the 1500s in a way that made it acceptable for christian audiences. Some protestant reformers talked about it calling it heresy, since apparently some of them were actually trying to be closer to regular stoicism, but with a christian veneer. Same way regular stoicism used "zeus" as a synonym for god even though their idea of god resembled zeus in no ways.

>>85459316
anon, autism is not everything.

>>85459789
>stoic
>law

WUT

It sounds more like neutral.

>>85459789
Except it is. Stoicism and by extension Neostoicism is a subset of it. Eudaimonism is the pursuit of Eudaimonia and how it should govern your actions.

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>>85460012
Don't listen to him, he's a heretic.

>>85458757
yeah I hate the way it's laid out, I'm also shit at remembering demon names so it's irritating when you can either see a tiny portion of their face in the recommended fusion area or just have their names alone in the fusion search bit
The grid was way better

>>85460461
>shit at remembering demon names
Are you, by chance, retarded?

>>85460012

...Where have you been for every game released since nocturne? In IV they made sure to repeat it as many times as possible so there'd be no confusion.

>dont look at me with those empty eyes. Why aren't you having emotional reactions?! Have you given yourself completely over to god?
>Do you have no human emotions left at all?
>I see my loud growling can't cause you to have any emotional reaction. You must be a true warrior of light!
>Hurr. Angels r like they're mechanical since they have no emotions.
>angels literally look like robots.
>they live in a beehive
>we are animated by the flames of life and passion. You are animated by nothing but the empty breath of god.

You either haven't been paying close attention in later games, or don't know very much about stoicism. Stoicism used virtue ethics too, that expected you to once you became a sage have effectively no consideration for yourself in the equation of morality.

The goal of law = become a stoic sage.
The goal of chaos = become a nietzschean ubermensch.
The goal of neutral = halfway in between. Balance self actualization with duties to others.

>>85396279
>If they want it to sell well it would be a Persona crossover instead, and they'd have ramped up dating mechanics from 3/4 and Awakening mixed together.

im sad because youre not wrong

>>85461023
I'm actually amazed SMT x FE is a thing, I mean before Awakening Fire Emblem sold like shit and SMT sold like hotter shit, I have no clue why Nintendo would choose to fund a crossover like this

>>85461595
Because nintendo is dumb shit.

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>>85461595

I'm less than ten hours into SMT IV (Eurofag here) and I'm pretty sure already I'll be shooting for Chaos. Without spoiling anything, how much am I going to fuck up in a scale of SMT II to SJ?

>>85462335
Total
Global
Saturation

>>85416070
>>you will never see Kyouji, Not-Kyouji, Hacker and Raidou interacting with Hero, Tamaki, Aleph, Doomguy and Flynn


i dont want to live anymore

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>>85462335

Lets just say I hope you like alien matadors.

But yeah no. If SJ is the worst chaos can get, this is at about 8. At least the people law tries to kill they have some kind of an argument for. Chaos just does it for the (literal) hell of it.

>>85462335
It doesn't really have any downsides so you're in luck.

>>85462561
Interesting.

>>85462729
>>85462743
Huh, two contradicting opinions. I'll have to see for myself, but after SJ I'm really not expecting much from it.

>>85459430
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Japan

>By Japanese law, the genitals of actors and actresses must be censored and up the mid-1990s so was the depiction of pubic hair. This type of censoring also extends to comics, video games, and anime made for adults. In the attempts of circumvent this type of censoring (and to cater to particular fetishes), actors and producers have featured subject matter unseen or rarely depicted in western pornography. Bukkake, Gokkun, Omorashi, and tentacle erotica are few uniquely Japanese genres known to western viewers. Lolicon and its contribution to the controversy regarding the regulation of pornography of depicting minors that don’t exist has been a major issue for free speech in and outside of Japan.

I vaguely remember seeing/reading something that said tentacle porn became a thing due to not be able to draw dicks. BUT A TENTACLE AINT A DICK SO SCREW YOU CENSORS

>>85463596

It seems really odd that there's just places which allow porn, but only censored. Like you're watching it and beating off, but your dignity is preserved by the minor blurriness. Then a bunch of children walk in watching you beat off to it, but the minor blurriness that they probably don't even notice somehow protects them and they think its a wrestling match.

>>85461595
Really? I thought FE did good in North America.

>>85463972
Nah, western sales were non existent until Awakening, that game alone makes up a quarter of all Fire Emblem sales combined

>>85464324

The funny thing is I only know about fire emblem since back when I first got a gba I was still young enough that I'd sometimes walk around in gamestop with no real idea of what I wanted, and grabbed fire emblem since it was the best looking thing there.

Kuebiko is cool as shit

Yo, What demons are good to kill medusa with?

>>85465184
Mirror.

>>85464324
It would help if they fucking advertised.

Seriously, Awakening and FE7 were the only games to get commercials. Like, ever.

And the latter wasn't even indicative of what happened in the game.

>>85465184

anything that has Zan skills

also Fang Breaker and Rakukaja.

>mfw Orthrus slaughters half my party with Fire Breath
Okay, so I guess I should not attempt to fight challenge quest targets straight away.

>>85464403
My boyfriend at the time had an SP, and he was really into the game. But instead I played Superstar Saga.

>>85468604

I've played that game 4 times. I love the surreal atmosphere. Its a good change from the fact that all mario games now are bubbly shit graphics and atmosphere. Even galaxy had some good atmosphere mixed with horrible ugly shit.

>>85468016
Just blast it away with Bufu and it'll be dead in no time. It's doable.

>smashing my way through IV, not having a single problem
>suddenly Balor
>Walter uses agi
>smirk
>megaton press
>agidyne
dead in the first turn

>>85469313
Get used to it, have fun.

>>85461595
Doesnt SMT sell really well in Japan..?

Uploading the SMT4 undub now, will come in two variants.

You need Gateway or a 3DS with 4.5 CFW (you'll have to convert to CIA yourself if that's what you're using).

Variant 1: Japanese audio, but English movies (good for first time players)
Variant 2: Japanese audio and Japanese movies (recommended for people who are replaying the game)
The reason for it is that the movies are hardsubbed, Funimation style. Jap movies have kanji subs hardsubbed into them, Eng ones have Eng text hardsubbed.

Should 3DS movie format be reverse engineered in the future, I'll make a v1.1 version of the undub using English movies but audio from the Jap movies, remuxed together. For now it's impossible.

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>>85469457
It does okay

>>85455764
>>85455407
>>85454794
And he's still wants to be his minion.

Alignments are such a flimsy thing it's really a joke to be honest. Just as Satan has been Tyrant and a dutiful servant of God, or Pluto the Tormentor.

>>85469209
Provided I can survive the first turn, sure.

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>>85468753
I lost my SP charger near the end, so now I have to replay the whole game. WHICH IS FINE, I just don't have the time to dedicate to all these games.
I don't remember why, but I found playing it on the DS to be annoying control wise.

Superstar Saga is so fucking cute, goddamn.

>>85469870

That's because he still thinks he's the ice king. There's no indication that he'd continue to be even once that mistake was cleared up. no less so since he is now an angel. He'll probably take lucifer's original job.

>>85469563
Didn't Nocturne come out around same time as Persona 3 or 4? My friend said he remembered being kind of interested in it, but Persona.

i need better friends

>>85470030

I'm pretty sure nocturne came out way before persona 4.

>>85470030
Nocturne came out in 2003, Persona 3 in 2006.

>>85469940
He's not the Ice King, that would be King Frost. He was looking for the Snow Overlord.

And you never know, Lucifer could easily manipulate those feelings of serving the Snow Overlord for himself, just as he did with Lilith's feelings for Hero.

>>85470495

Lucifer using him is another matter entirely. No one said he was very smart.

>>85470584
Plus demons vary between games. So when Lucifer Frost appears again he could have an entirely different motivation for why he became an Angel. They do change compendium info too from time to time as well.

>>85470151
>>85470216
i need better friends

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>Angel I got from the start of the game in SMT IV keeps evolving
>Keeps swapping genders and getting stronger

We have come so far.

>>85471287

Mm. I wish I had an angel that could swap genders. Fuck that pussy one day, then get a mouthful of cum the next day,

>>85471287
and you want to fuck every form? that's what i'm reading from flustered boob-squeezing yasuda yukari.

buono

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>>85453964
>>85458931
Post some images, you fuckers. At least Mirai anon posts the same ~3 images over and over again.
Please put a little effort into your "i wunt 2 be epikk may may 2"-shitposts. And if you're serious, which I highly doubt, you should have a nice folder already, so it can't be too much work.

>>85473209

What is that, and why am I looking at it? Make it go away.

I just went over the Kelpie bridge in SMT 4 and I'm kind of at a loss on what to do next, the tokyo station seems like a dead end for now and the other place only has two locked down elevators.
Any hints on where to go?

In SMTIV, which buffs/debuffs should I prioritize?

Right now I've got Tarukaja (up allies attack) and Sukukaja (up allies hit/evasion) on MC, and I'm wondering whether I should switch one of them with Rakukaja (up allies defense).

>>85469503
Okay, SMT4 Undub is here:
https://mega.co.nz/#F!6YxzQayY!x8-TLZVDV8guHEz_eGKhQg
The version with EN movies is still uploading but it will show up in this folder once it finishes (currently at 24% upload).

If you have any questions, ask.

>helped revived Osiris
>He wants to stay in the human world to find one last missing piece of him

Ha

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How the fuck am I supposed to earn enough demonshekels to buy the shit in Ginza's Secret Shop

Jesus christ

>>85473478
Rakukaja is shit because theres no defensive stats in 4 for it to boost.

If you want to take less damage, use Tarunda instead.

>>85474205
By buying the DLC that lets you grind easy for money.
Spend your shekels on the DLC, good goy.

>>85474263
There was no defensive stat in Nocturne either and Rakukaja was relevant from the moment you got it.

>>85474263

>there's no defense stat
>the spell must do nothing then.

Not sure if actually retarded or just pretending.

>>85474347
Vitality is defense.

>>85474393
There's no real Def stat as seen ingame, which is why Vitality isn't a stat. Rakukaja does give you a buff that decreases damage received though.

>>85474308
It's not available for yuropoors yet though.

>>85474205
Prostitution

>>85474661
>Vitality is defense.
Levels are your defense stat, all Vitality is good for is 6 hp per point in vitality.

>>85474724
The level grind DLC is out though. You can grind from level 1 to level 99 in merely 2 hours with it.

>>85474764
I did not realize this, but it's still more than IV as I take the same damage from early level demons as I would later on in the game at 99.

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I just realized something. The reason you're collecting a lot of the shit you are in IV in tokyo is to bring back to mikado so that their paradise can get up to modern standards of living faster. Which is why you see monks using a computer later on. One of the things you bring back is a dildo. You are literally creating a world where the orgasms are neverending.

>>85474792
So? lvl 99 doesn't give you money. You could sell the grimoires though.

>>85474792
So I did good in avoiding it after going in for 2 battles? Expected some story DLC with a boss or something, fucking waste.

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>>85473398
>tfw you'll never give Mama Kali a hug, have her tell you stories of battles and legends from the past, and go on adventures with her
>all platonically

>>85474186
It's his dick, isn't it? Just like the myth? Nice!

>>85473473
From memory you go west from the station, there should be some place right next to it that you want to get to

>>85474849
There's both story DLCs and grind/item DLCs.
There's two grinding DLCs (one for levels, one for money).
A couple of item DLCs (don't remember how many).
And also a few story DLCs (Two focusing on the angels, one focusing on Sanat, one on Ancient of Days (YHVH) and one on Masakado).
Someone please correct me if I missed something.

What was the point of the two classes in Mikado anyway, why not just have a single class?

>>85475354
Yeah I found it now, thanks anyway.
Missed the one elevator I was supposed to go to.
>>85475383
A shame they are delaying them for EU, probably to not be embarassed by day 1 DLC worth more then the 20 bucks spent on the game.
Whatever happened to the promise of it being all for free.

>>85475465
Promises are never worth it.

>>85475465
>Whatever happened to the promise of it being all for free.
ATLUS once again shows they hate Europe. Which is why I pirated all their catalogue on 3DS except for Soul Hackers (only because it wasn't botched like DeSu OC and also had a retail release unlike SMT4).
And DLC was delayed in Japan and USA as well.
But yeah, Europe was supposed to get all the DLC for free already bundled with the game.

Anyhow since I finished SMT4 Undub for now, what should I undub next?
DeSu OC or SH?
http://strawpoll.me/2931338

>>85475595
Mind putting the undubs in the pastebins in the OP?

>>85475595
3DS piracy is a thing now?
How?

>>85475706
I'm not the one managing the pastebins.
I don't even know if my P1P Music unfuck was put there either, but /pg/ has it in the OP i think.

>>85475721
Welcome to a year ago.

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>>85475595
Vote is a tie, /smtg/ pls

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>>85475758
>P1P Music unfuck
Canzah?

Oh well. Last I checked the P1P Music Unfuck patch WAS in the OP Pastebins, so that's good.

>>85476123
>Canzah?
Well yeah, I've been wanting to do SMT4 undub for a long while now, even attempted it late September or maybe early October but it wasn't possible to repack 3DS game roms yet back then, only eShop virtual console emulators.

What is the worst mainline game

>>85476183
I because of how archaic it was or IV because of how unnecessarily streamlined it was

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>>85476182
Well, you got it good, so thanks from me.
Curious as hell to see DeSuOC undubbed, and how the voice roles compare to the characters.

>>85476183
IV since whatever original pieces of the plot that weren't shamelessly recycled from I and II were ass, new demon designs were ass, disc-locked DLC (all the DLC is on the cartridge) being sold at outrageous prices and delayed, plenty of horrible decisions in general, casualization.

>>85476182
i can see why everyone hated/hates you

>>85476419
Thanks for the blog post?

I SWEAR IF WALTER FUCKING AGIS ONE MORE BOSS WITH FIRE RESIST I'M GOING TO FUCK HIM IN THE ASS

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>>85476681
He'd like to see you try, bitch.

>>85476681
>going with Waruta
>not based Yonatan

who is the mc of 4?

>>85476724
I haven't hit the lock yet if that's what you're talking about, besides I'm a neuter

>>85476794
Furin

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>>85476794
This guy.

Errol
Fucking
Flynn

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>>85476681
Most unlucky for you

>>85476813
Wait, I am nowhere near route locking yet, but does going chaos mean I'm stuck with this retard in fights?
FUCK

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>>85476681
Ayy Lmao

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>>85476993
They're all retards.

>>85477071
Lucifer is just the biggest one tho. 4 times in a fucking row he hit Isabeaue..whatever her name is 's Athena with gun skills. 4 fucking times.

Why does everything hit so fucking hard in Naraku? Losing half my demon's HP in a single hit is ridiculous.

>>85476460
its not a blog post, its a twitter reply at best

>>85477549
No defense stat

>>85477597
Good work, Atlus. Good work.

>>85477679
Enjoy your streamlining.

>>85476183
2 is unbearable to play.

>>85477720
Why?

>>85477705
I'm doing the total opposite of that. Who the FUCK thought that removing the Vitality stat was a good idea?

Uh what does it mean if my demon gets lost

>>85477785
I was being sarcastic, you dunce.
SMT4 streamlining is objectively terrible, as are the guest demon designs.

>>85477813
Theyre gone.

They'll show up again in a random battle and rejoin you

What the fuck did SMT4 do to the Seraphim's designs?

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>>85478030
Ruin them.

>"I had heard humans were fools, is this true?"
>You're the fool
>"..."
>"I feared this was so"
God I love negotiations

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>>85478052
I mean, theyre not terrible.. Theyre genuinely creepy designs.

But they don't fit the Seraphim at all, ESPECIALLY lore-wise

What the hell

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>>85478271
They don't fit is my main complaint, yeah.

>>85478271
Really remind me of the big angels from Bayonetta. No one would even notice if you'd just swap them.

>>85478271
>lore wise
You mean SMT4 lore wise?
Because the SMT4 angels designs are far more accurate to the Old Testament angels.
The beautiful androgynous humans with wings are from New Testament.

>>85477736
Haven't we had this conversation before?

>>85478458
Not him but seriously? Tell me more.

I'm not even sarcastic.

>>85478602
Read the fucking Bible.
It's actually really good if you treat it as a fantasy novel.

>>85478631
>if you treat it as a fantasy novel.
But it is a fantasy novel

>>85478694
Jews and Christians would crucify you for this.
Too bad I'm an agnostic.

>>85475595
Let's see

>Japanese Soul Hackers has Megami Tensei nerd Tomokazu Sugita voice boy Nemechi, Madame Ginko, Raidou, and Raido

>DeSu OC has ???

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>>85478694

>>85478631
You're not my supervisor.

I read it years ago in school. Or to be more precise, I slept through it. Still, maybe I read it again just for SMT.

>>85478374
The Four Virtues are basically the Four Archangels of Bayonetta. The big difference is that despite their appearance Angels are more organic and fleshy, while demons are more inorganic and made of metal/magma.

And Bayonetta has Four Creator Gods.

>>85478458

No they're not. Stop saying this. They have nothing to do with old testament designs. They're robots. At beast they were inspired by looking odd. Angels appearing as humans happened plenty in old testament.

>>85478721
Christians would actually agree that some bits are fiction, I think they say that the book of genesis is metaphorical and some of the songs are just religious poetry or something like that

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Should I?
Any other SMT books?

>>85478871
Actually Christians consider the entirety of Old Testament to be fiction/metaphor.
Basically, Christianity: New Testament
Jews: Old Testament

>>85479028

I don't think that's quite the case.

>>85478721
Some of parts of the bible I can't really believe in, which kind of ruins the whole thing for me.

I believe in God and Jesus was our savior but anything beyond that is just make believe

>>85479062
You do realize Christianity is divided in sub-beliefs right?

>>85479028
I think it's more that they don't really care much about it because the Jews didn't have the right view of God

>>85477785
Who thought removing INT was a good idea?

I thought it was cool how the conversations seemed to get better in soul hackers as you increased the stat.

>>85479085
God never existed.
Old Testament is 100% fake butthurt written by jews to spite Egyptians (it's been proven by archeology and history that Moses couldn't have existed in the time period that Bible talks about him and couldn't have been brother to Ramesses the Second).
New Testament is probably due to Jesus actually existing but being nothing more than a regular man, versed in chemistry, biology and science back in the days when those things didn't quite exist.
He was probably a man of renaissance before the actual renaissance, and all the apostole accounts are just gross exaggerations of his deeds.

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Kaneko wants his favorite fictional story to be the root of everything.

>>85479248
Nah man. Jesus is the true creator manifesting in his own way in our world to guide us from the vile Demiurge.

He was also the serpent who convinced Adam and Eve to eat the fruit.

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i need to go to sleep

>>85479346
Thanks for the blog post

>>85479407
Thanks for the blog comment

>>85479248
Historians seem to agree with you there, apparently they actually use the new testament as a primary source of history

>>85479448
Well it's basically how I view it based on scientific and historical evidence. So it's more me agreeing with them, not the other way around.

Is there any way to get App Points aside from levelling up?

>>85479843
some treasure chests have 10-point cards in them. I think of the DLC gives a bunch of app points as a reward

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>>85478175
Had the pic happen to me in Nocturne.
I picked the second response, and the Principality gave me a Soma.

>>85479907
>playing Nocturne on PS3
>stretching the image
>using the godawful filter supplied by PS3
Jesus fucking christ so much wrong

>>85479843
If you street pass with someone who has the game and soul hackers you supposedly gain 40 or something.

>>85479890
I see. I just unlocked MP Recovery 1 and I wanna get it ASAP.
I really wish physical skills didn't cost MP. Hated that about SJ as well.

>>85480030
Oh and forgot to add. Does anyone know of this feature works in the europe version? With europe sh of course.

>>85480030
This also works with EOIV.

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>>85479985
Not my pic.
Someone else's.

Just saved it because this one specific convo actually happened to me in-game, and it's a good reaction image in it's own right.

You seriously think I'd play Nocturne of all games like THIS?
I'd play it on the PS3 or PS4 if it'll have backwards compatibility, just for the better console, but no way in hell would I stretch the image or use a crap filter.

>>85480143
PS3 is backwards compatible on all models now, but Sony blocked the software emulator to force people to buy the PS2 Classics on PS Store.
People with CFW actually unlocked it and it has very solid compatibility rate (about 70% of games work).

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So apparently Kaneko was inspired by this when making Master Therion's design.

I would normally not link to Tumblr, but there's always a gem among trash, and I found this really interesting account.
http://kanekocribs.tumblr.com/
It's basically about what influenced Kaneko's designs.

>>85480650
>http://kanekocribs.tumblr.com/post/94362947111/the-mysterious-gourmet-orgone-ghost-shin
Holy shit, I am familiar with Dalí's art but somehow I never noticed it.

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>>85480650
Damn. Looks nice. Bookmarking it.
Oh, and here's is a better gem:
http://lesserdrawbro.tumblr.com/

>>85480486
I hope the PS4 will have backwards compatibility to PS2. That way I can just bypass the PS3 entirely, get a PS4 for my PS2 games, and for P5 when it comes out.

>>85480650
So he got this, and then added a cape and a massive cock. Makes sense.

>>85480650
>all of Kaneko's legendary designs are just ripoffs of various art from history
Honestly, this made me lose some of the respect I had for him.

>>85480938
Well, the original had three tits there instead of a big demon dick.

Is there any use in raising a stat beyond 200? Or am I wasting points?

So why is it that some games have the wind element and others have force? Why did they bother changing it?

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>>85480650
>yfw kaneko is viralling his blog on /smtg/

>>85480957
He had to take popular depictions of them even though some are practically the same design.
You know, you can't just portray Shiva as an ice woman...

>>85481589
Streamlining.
It's evident in Persona even more so than in SMT.
SMT4 casualization is nothing compared to what P4 and P4G did.

>>85481864
Wasn't having craploads of elements in persona 1 bad though?

>>85481851
>You know, you can't just portray Shiva as an ice woman...
Is this supposed to be a jab at Final Fantasy?
Because I like the FF designs.

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>>85480918
>tfw my tumblr isnt getting posted here yet
one day

>>85481907
No, people are just too casual to handle it.
Personally I think Persona would be best if it maintained the overall P2 systems, but with P3/P4 combat (without all out attacks).

>>85481919
Is it wrong that I liked the FFXII designs?

>>85481979
One day, drawfaganon, one day...

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> Tfw selling half my shit to get the Black Card.

I was finally getting money, then this series of huge ass payments turned up.
Fuck mang.

>>85481982
I think P3 hit the perfect balance of elements with four of them and three forms of physical damage, if it went back to having negotiations and wildcards for everyone it'd be perfect

>>85482009
Not at all, FF12 designs were great too, but I hated how the localization team completely fucked up and didn't rename the references to past major villains to fit with English ones.
For example, the Ultros reference in FF12 is called Orthros (because that's how he's called in Japanese), ExDeath is called Exodus (again because that's how he's called in Japanese) and the list goes on.
They just fucked up hard on the localization's part.
Generally FF always had inconsistent localizations.
I'm also mad that they never retroactively fixed Tina in FF6 (they kept the shitty Terra name in the GBA and Mobile re-releases).
>tfw corporate translations will never be as good and dedicated as fansubbers/fantranslators

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>>85482009
HE KNOWS
abandoning thread in 3..2..1..

>>85482147
I'd rather have he P2 elements backs, but I agree P3 keeps the sweet spot when it comes to forms of physical.
P2 had too many.
Sadly none of these things will ever happen since each of the series went in it's own unique direction.
It just happens to be very mainstream otaku pandering casual garbage for Persona.

>>85482172
You hate the inconsistency in the names? Try playing the non English versions of FFX. English voice acting, Japanese subtitle translation and a buttload of completely wrong names, sentences and generally dumb shit.

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>>85482172
Oh well. Shit happens.

>>85482224
Hope the drawing is going along smoothly.
Take your time.

On another note
>tfw trying to find demons to kill and harvest forma from, and they barely show up when you need them to

>>85476182
>oops! didn't want my identity to be discovered, I swear!

>>85476419
You are retarded? That sure as fuck is not a blog post?

>>85482365
>oops! didn't want my identity to be discovered, I swear!
What the fuck are you on about? I was never hiding who I was. Anyone who's a regular here knows I've been talking about SMT4 undub in the past. What are you even on about seriously.

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>Moh Shuyuu is elusive as fuck
>So is AT Caritite II
>Trying to hunt down Tam Lin and Kuda for their forma, after selling them for sweet Macca
>Want to get this out of the way before diving into plot again
How far in to SJ am I if I just hit Fornax?

>>85482503
DON'T SELL FORMA. Unless it's Forma you get from non-Fiend Enemy Searches. You can a couple of those every now and then since you get shitloads of them and they fetch a lot of macca.

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>>85482346
It will go well anon, I promise, Im gonna sit down tomorrow morning and draw it out I do need a ruler however but its gonna look stylish
ever since I started my 3 drawings a week program Ive been much more motivated to draw things, thanks for setting me on this path anon

>>85480957
All of his designs take some depictions from their myths and art.

I'd rather have that than some shit like SMTIV Lucifer first form.

>>85482627
All of Lucifer's SMT4 forms are shit.
In fact all the guest designs are shit, especially the Kamen Rider junk.
Ancient of Days is my favourite guest design simply because it fits with the SMT2 YHVH avatars theme

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>>85482503
>Not grinding macca at the top of eridanus by killing king frosts and tlalocs
Step it up

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>>85482563
Exactly, I only sell the non-Fiend Enemy Search ones. cuz they get me some good Macca when I need it
I'm just trying to buy every single thing in the shop at least once, to satisfy my completionist autist desires

>>85482612
You're welcome, bro.

>>85482686
But his final boss theme is badass.

Even though it's just noise, it makes sense. The theme is what it's supposed to represent: Chaos.

>>85482690
Didn't read huh?
I said I'm going back to previous areas to try to get forma so I can unlock some of the store entries I haven't been able to.
And fucking Moh Shuyuu's Raptor Dress and AT Caritite II are annoying the fuck out of me to get.

Where the fuck is if...

>>85482686
Damnit. Forgot to copypaste the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0MEIzRlM8s

>>85482836
Somewhere in Gideon's COMP, where we'll never see it.
;_;

>>85482782
Completionism? Try stupidity. You're literally never going to use half the shit you make unless you feel the need to constantly switch guns to exploit weaknesses, and I'm pretty sure you can't do that in combat. Stop wasting your time and get on with the game - the end is in sight anyway.

>>85482782
>it's okay that it's shit as long as it's intentional shit

>>85482836
Honestly I want SMT2 with VWF a lot more than If...
I can't stand SMT2 the way it is now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W52ZooawJk

>>85482972
Its just all the text scrolling that really annoys me

I had to have a turbofire for the x button (not A so I wouldn't accidentally pick dialogue) just so I didn't have to wear out my thumb pressing it all the time

>>85482881
Huh. All right. I'll just focus on the shop entries and not actually BUY every single fucking sword/armor/ring, but the Apps are another matter entirely.
As I was typing this, I just found a Raptor Dress in the field. Fuck Moh Shuyuu and her crap encounter rate.

>>85482893
The design for his first form is shit, hands down.
His second form is actually intimidating design-wise, which fits Lucy.

>>85482330
Honestly it was the English localization team's fault. Fortunately I didn't know much English when I first played FFX.
A couple of years ago I had the chance to talk with the main Spanish translator of FFX and many other Square titles, and she said the English dub limited them in the localization, with Yuna's "I love you" as the most egregious example.

Localizing a game from Japanese to something other than English while keeping the English localization's voice-over must suck.

>>85483150
If you really want more Formas then you should have the item find App equipped at all times, and maybe even one that increases your encounter rate as well. That combined with Enemy Searches should see you piling up the Formas in no time.

>>85483359
I am doing that, thanks.

Psst.

Hey.

Hey, /smtg/.

Hee-ho!

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>>85483615

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>>85483615

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>>85482140

> Finally there.
> Can't afford SHIT.

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>>85483615

>this is real, right?

SHUT THE FUCK UP WHY DO YOU SAY THIS ON EVERY FUCKING ITEM

>>85482686
I disagree about some of it, and I do prefer the second form over the first if it lack fetus Walter.

The demons look better when done in Doi's style anyways.

>>85484027
He sounds just like the faggot from Dragons Dogma.
They're masterworks all you can't go wrong!

>>85484053
>The demons look better when done in Doi's style anyways.
This. Even if they were guest designs, Doi should have drawn their in-game appearance, just like Soejima did with Kaneko's characters in P2.

>>85484140
Heck Doi did a better job of the P2EP cast in his own style in EPP than Soejima did with ISP.

Doi even went and recolored all the character portraits he did for the original EP.

You know what would be a really cool feature in SMT? If you could see a timeline of all your demon fusions, like you could pick a demon you recruited and see what it was fused into and with what or find out how many demons were fused to make your current one

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>>85484385
This. This needs to happen.

>>85484385
>Not remembering every single sacrifice, slave and fusion fodder
Git gud, chaosfag

I agree though.

>>85484385
IV has something like that, doesn't it?

>>85484593

Sorta, IV has a history screen with all demons involved in the fusing of that demon, buuuuut it only shows raw numbers, no timeline or specific fusion details.

>tfw haven't found any head armour that doesn't look retarded
>tfw helmetless run

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>>85484789
Demonica helmet best helmet, son.

>>85484879
I was really disappointed the Demonica has so godawful stats. At least the black one. I mean, a fucking biker jacket and rugby outfit is better than armor designed to fight demons.

>>85484789
I ended up with the red hero helmet.
>tfw too poor for any of the good shit in Ginza

>>85485018

The normal demonica outfit is one of the best in the game.

>>85485108
It's also expensive as fuck and I sure don't grind all that money without the money DLC. So, yeah. You're right tho.

Am I a bastard if I loot all of Ginza every time I return there?
There's so much to fucking loot and it's usually level 4/5.
How else am I supposed to afford half the shit in Ginza anyway?

>>85484789
>Camael armor
>No Herald Camael ingame
Fuck you Atlus

Every battle with 1 Nekomata 2 Sudama 1 Macabre I always get 1 Jirae Seal, NEVER THE BEAST HAIRBALL
I have 4 of them. I need a total of 12 for both the Cat Punch gun and the Soul Scanner gun.

I'll never be able to beat SJ at this rate...
Worse than Nocturne to 100% this....

>>85485225
tennozu and toyosu also has a bunch level 4/5 stuff

>>85485225
>How else am I supposed to afford half the shit in Ginza anyway?
Buy the Macca EasyGrind DLC.

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Did the guy who designed this even look at SMT demons? It's fucking embarrassing

>>85485768
Of course he didn't.

>Expecting Kamen Rider (bottom of the barrel show for children, think Power Rangers but even more embarassing and low quality) artists to give a shit or make good designs
Kek

>>85485745

Not out for us Yuros till tomorrow.
I'm somewhat against the idea anyway, though I'll still get it for the new(ish) demon.
I refuse to use to EXP dlc for anything but muh green fairy but I'll admit the temptation is there for the macca.

>>85485768
>>85485930
>Kaneko jizzed to all this Tokusatsu designs as he's a fan of that stuff.

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>>85485768
All demons with redesigns looks like a shit tatoos.

>>85486334
this one couldve been good, its way too overdone though
it still looks like the capra demon though

>>85486334
The white/blue Aeshma doesn't make my eyes bleed at least.

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Aren't you fellas forgetting someone?

>>85486561
I was trying to, yeah

>>85486561
>Skeleton Snake hair
Okay

>Face
Looks like something out of the 80/90s

>Tail
Lucifer and YHVH damn it! Why the fuck would her tail be made of skulls and bones?

Shin Megami Tensei themes for 3DS when?

>>85485768
I like the idea of that one, but not the actual art of it. Like the idea of the floating arms I think could work.

>>85486737
Figuratively never.

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>>85486737

>You will never have a Hacker theme that has the 2D field theme as the music.

>>85486737
After the Devil Summoner remake.

>>85486334
Is he holding keys just because of those cages during the quest you fight him in?

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>>85486890
Saved.

>>85486737
Once CFW higher than 4.5 happens.

>>85486890
But I will, when 9.x CFW is out.
People will definitely be able to create custom themes then.

>>85486675
Because she's a toku villain, which I don't mind, it's just that she sticks out like a sore thumb.

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> Tfw for the first time in my SMT game history, I made a strong Alice in SMT IV.

Future planning time, is Die for Me! A good skill on the protag?

>>85487292
Great for killing non-immune trash-mobs, no idea if they nerfed it like they did sukukaja.

>>85487015
Man I fucking love how cheesy that thing is, it's great how restrained Atlus were with the whole hacker thing and didn't go the anonymous leegun route

>>85487962
There was no anonymous legion un the 90s.

>>85487962
SH was supposed to mimic 80s cyberpunk, so of course it was cheesy.

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>>85488046
Good.

>>85488075
>Hardcore hacker!
>Hack you!!

>>85488046
Yeah I know, I just used it as an example since most people on 4chan would know what I meant by it

>>85487962
>Anonymous
>1996

>>85488179
Hardcore sucker!
Fuck you!!

>>85488179
I dont care what anyone says, V looks cool as fuck

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>>85488258
Ayy lmao

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>>85488343
AYYYYYYYYYY
LMAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Why is Nintendo/Atlus so fucking much against us yuropoors. I mean, it's nice and all we got SMT4 for the American deal (even though 20$ isn't 20€) but you guys get Soul Hackers for 15, meanwhile it's still 40 in the eshop around here. And buying it physical isn't all that cheaper.

I just want to play my demon games Atlus!

>>85488312
V's pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4tQ6_ygdU

>>85488454
Would still rather fuck him than Hikaru Lucifer. God, that face is fucking mortifying.

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>>85488804
Only good fem-Lucy.

>>85488983
SJ Lucy looks like a crossdressing man. It's unsettling as fuck.

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>>85489034
>not enjoying absolute DFC
Pleb.

>>85475921
Who's the green eyed girl?

>>85489218
Ixquic

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Trying to encounter Matador in Carina 4F, wish me luck.

I really don't like the way Tatsuya is written in Eternal Punishment, it kinda makes me wish Maya still spoke and he didn't

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>>85489571

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>>85489571

>>85488694
I love V.

>>85488804
Am I the only one who got the biggest boner from that?

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>>85488983
That's a trap.

>>85489339
Thanks.

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>>85490209
No.