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Cool memesEdition

What's new?

>Call of Kel'thuzad Event
>Join the Scourge in undying servitude with a new hero, new skins, and a bone-chilling challenge
>September 5th - 25th.
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/game/events/call-of-kelthuzad
https://youtu.be/-jInzG9Ukrk

>Kel'thuzad; The Lich Lord of The Plaguelands, Commander of The Dread Necropolis, Master of the Cold Dark, Founder of the Cult of The Damned, Former Member of the Council of Six, Creator of the Abominations, Betrayer of Humanity, Summoner of Archimonde, Archlich of Naxxramas, Majordomo to The Lich King, and Hearthstone enthusiast; Now on PTR!
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/kelthuzad/
https://youtu.be/Uv35ukl8c-w

>For New Players
>Welcome to Heroes of the Storm
https://youtu.be/wPk004vsjuE
>Heroes of the Storm 2.0
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20695700/
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes20/
>Official Community Resources, Guides, and Tips
>Talent Calculators, Statistics, Youtubers, and more
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/guides-resources/
>Tier lists are effective guidance tools, but should never be blindly followed
http://www.heroescounters.com/map
http://www.robogrub.com/tierlist
http://www.tentonhammer.com/articles/heroes-of-the-storm-tier-list

>Current Weekly Sale
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20984110/
>Current Weekly Brawl
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20976072/
>Current Patch Notes
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20973152/
>Current PTR Patch Notes
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20976073/

>Where can I find fellow players to group up with and discuss the game?
"/join /vg/" in game chat

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Shh, she's sleeping
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>>187564557
wake up and stop camping top you sleepy cunt

join the fucking team fights
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Why is every Garrosh player such a bastard
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>>187566195
They're roleplaying.
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>>187566195
Autists relate to being useless
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I worry that Kel'Thuzad is going to have only one build. Q build feels just flat inferior to the combo burst build.

Glacial Spike honestly seems just way too good not to take, and if you're taking Glacial Spike, you may as well just take talents that synergize with it better like Shadow Fissure and Hungering Cold. At the end the only Q-related talents you'll have will be the shade at 20 and the level 1 Q talent, which you may just replace with Barbed Chains.

No doubt he'd have more talent diversity if Glacial Spike were in his base kit, but that probably would have been too strong.
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>>187566431
There's a few "im learning or bad" builds and a few "im a mlg pro at the game and life" builds, and quite a few situational talents in the midst

He will be fine
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>>187566431
So what's the best talent build for combo cucking?
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>Play melee
>"Focus Chromie"
>Do so
>Die
>"wtf why die"
>Hit frontline instead
>"wtf why attack tank"
No winning.
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>>187566673
As far as numbers go I think the correct build is:
>1 - Barbed Chains
>4 - Whatever
>7 -Glacial Spike
>10 - Shadow Fissure
>13 - Whatever
>16 - Hungering Cold
>20 - The Damned Return

At level 20 I managed to get 8,316 damage off the full combo with EVERYTHING landing, plus two auto attacks (which you will probably want to weave in for those Hungering Cold procs).

The combo is: Damned Return > Spike > E spike > W near spike > E enemy > R > Q

You can also E the enemy before using the spike, which is more reliable and probably what you should be doing instead, but it lowers your effective range.
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>>187567956
Why did you die?
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>>187568960
When you move a character far enough into the backline so they're in melee range they tend to be farther from their team and closer to the enemy team making it much easier for the enemy team to kill them and much harder to their team to peel and heal the character. By doing this my character's health went from a full bar to an empty one due to the attacks of the enemy player, causing it to die.
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get garrosh now or wait KT ?
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>>187570385
If you buy Garrosh you'll get him in your next legendary drop.
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https://youtu.be/1pGGYA5_GX8

https://youtu.be/gOoVwLEAtsw

Thoughts about his interactions and poke lines?
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>>187571614
>If it isn't the traitor, Kel'Thuzad
>Ah, Antonidas's lapdog, how is he by the way, still dead?
Bantz
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Dreadlord Jaina poker lines

https://youtu.be/vbFG3uRx_60
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I just lost a match against 3 tanks.
I should uninstall now before it gets worse
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>>187574290
>Losing to an team with 3 mages and no support
Some people should just be ashamed of their actions
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Now we hhave KT, who is next?

Firebat?
Mengsk?
Talandar? (Honestly instead of the real fenix they will get him).
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>>187568470

>16 - Hungering Cold

Seems like
Power of Icecrown is the best, particularly if you take Chains of Ice at 13.

I think the rez at 4 is probably the best, unless you're against shields maybe. Spell Vamp is super good, and you don't have to rez, unlike diablo. It's basically a level 20 talent except it requires 10 orbs and its at 4 instead.

The reset for R also seems absurd at 20. Just toss it on tanks, zero risk.
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>>187574646
now we ask for deathwing obv but firebat would be good too and mephisto
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>>187574551
>he didn't even lose against 4 supports yet
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>>187574646
And if we get Talandar, we can have SC1 Fenix skins.
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where are the hot pictures of tyrande?
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>>187575148
I would probably uninstall the whole battle.net launcher if that happened
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>>187564557
>>187567691
haha, wp
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why was britcunt ever added to this game?
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>>187575253
>Not losing against a meme team of chogall, abathur, lost vikings, and murky
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>>187575572
I'm in silver, that team would probably steamroll my team without even reaching lvl 20
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>>187575642
>feel physical pain watching diamonds play, they are that bad
>there are people that are silver
>there are people that are bronze
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>>187575771
>tfw I just climbed out of silver into gold 5

is it really that bad?
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>>187575771
What rank are you?
I'm diamond currently, working to master, but I can agree that even watching pros play is fucking horrifying. The stupid plays they do, sometiems the fucking builds they do, just why on all levels.
>>187575828
>he just climbed to gold
>he just entered the worst ELO/MMR/RANKING that exist in any moba or rankign game
Buddy you are about to commit suicide, gold is the actual worst. Gold is above average normally so everyone thinks they are the best player which leads them to stupid strategies that are all in or some kind of other mega carry they think they can do which causes more losses than wins.

Gold is the worst rank, have fun in hell.
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>>187575828
don't give up anon.
the prereq for diamond seems to be actually using abilities on cooldown, and even then they sometimes forget to use ults.
it's depressing. it's not that noticable in quick match, but in HL or TL true diamonds just get massacred.
I'm so glad they're changing the ranking so you can now go into 1k master.
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>>187575989
I'm GM top 10 every season.
Honestly, most pro play is super solid. I don't watch NA, though. I know everyone, they're all mid tier GM.
EU is well done. KR/C aren't bad. I notice most things people call mistakes are really just alternates that people are forced into as a gamble, and when it works out no one says anything.
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>>187574290
The fact that a /hotsg/ user did this makes it all the sweeter.
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〉jaina has a 90% pickrate in silver gold with a 0% winrate
>now it's gonna get even worse
thanks bullzard
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>>187574290
what is this ?
those women are obnoxious
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>>187576951
>0%win rate
How is that even possible?
Someone must have won with her just by accident
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>>187577634
>first pick jaina
>last pick jaina into genji
>never get proper talents
that's the average jaina pickers, like I haven't won a single game with a jaina on my team since she became irrelevant, and yet she's the hero that I have someone on my team pick at least 50% of the time, even when I politely ask them not to.
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>>187576158
>braxis holdout
>ask team to let me rexxar
>they tell me its a shit map for him
>have huge winrate as him on map and naw I got this
>win the fuck out of lane, win all of early game
>team feeds harder than the EU takes in refugees
>lose
>see told you rexxar was bad
I had double xp of the next closest, multiple kills, and minion camps. What the fuck more do you want from me.
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>>187578069
Didn't mean to quote
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>>187578069
>>win the fuck out of lane, win all of early game
How did point-securing and lategame work out? I'm wondering because you conveniently leave that out of your little blog
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>>187578448
We never lost a single zerg rush, in fact only once did we get slightly fucked over which was them reaching 20% on a zerg.
I ended again with most xp by twice the amount and second highest dmg despite all of those fuck being in a 4v4 lane which should have been easily dmg farmable. Also was died for least deaths at 3 while the others had 7 or more.

This is at gold 1 mind you, elo decayed from diamond, so people are complete dog shit but still this is just depressing. Not only do people think rexxar is bad at literally one of his best maps, they also don't know how to make basic plays and not over extend.
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Is Tracer viable at the pro level?

I wreck shit in quickmatch and normally get MVP (at least half the time).
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>>187578764
Tracer has been picked a few times at HGC so yes 100% viable.
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>>187567956
dont listen to your retard team
you should only focus backline if you've got 1-2 buddies diving alongside you

or if you're tracer/genji and you're invincible because the enemy team has no cc
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>>187574728
hungering cold deals the bonus damage from every tick of decay
you can do half an assassin's hp with just WQ and nothing else

icecrown is the participation trophy for shitters who cant hit their root
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>>187575771
hello im gold 3 and i have a 30% winrate on alarak because i miss more telekinesises than i hit
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>>187578764
I'm surprised Tracer hasn't gotten the QM treatment yet although it might be because she sucks without enablers against certain comps.
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>>187578764
with the tassadar meme combo, sure
in general genji is more popular because he is stronger and fills the same "unkillable asshole murdering your backline and acting as a finisher when enemy runs from fights" role
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>>187580014
>pick raynor
>tracer dies
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>>187580014
It's because ranged AA is enough to fuck her up.
Ever played against Zul/Valla/Gmane/Luna/Raynor/Hamham without a support? Or against two of them? It's like playing Pyroblast Kael against Medivh/Varian/Genji/Tychus/Uther.
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>>187575232
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>>187580294
or a good hero like greymane
bonus points: he has more burst damage than raynor too so he can just eq when she's half hp and blow her up
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>>187580294
>Pick Zuljin
>Tracer gets the axe and dies
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>>187578069
person you replied to. You probably made a shitton of mistakes, didn't secure kills, didn't peel, so on, so forth.
Can't say more without seeing the replay.
If you lose a game under diamond, 95%+ chance you fucked up somehow and lost it. In diamond people actually have half a clue, you can't guarantee a win every time just based on skill.
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>>187580857
>didn't peel
It's not Rexxars job to peel, that's the tanks job.
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>>187580789
>>187580691
Raynor has more range to zone tracer out
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>>187581482
But Zuljin has more damage and attack speed to get rid of her faster
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>>187581235
You are an off tank. You also have two bodies.
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>>187581728
You're a busier, your job is to deal damage and stay in a lane as long as possible.
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I just bought Murky and he alone makes QM fun again. I don't have to care for Nova or Valeera ganking me because it doesn't matter.
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>>187582247
I liked pre-rework murky better, his new talents are fucked up in the shitty sense and pufferfish is basically useless now
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>>187582426
I remember the period after the rework where Murky was considered busted, but I'm not sure why.
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>>187582562
because ebin level 20 talent that people were not expecting and meme of the murlocs
sometimes I feel blizztard doesn't know that the fuck they're doing
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>>187582135
As Rexxar yes

but the best Tank Misha is also controlled by you, and she rocks at peeling.

Stay Bronze League.
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>>187580526
>It's like playing Pyroblast Kael against Medivh/Varian/Genji/Tychus/Uther
>Tychus
explain
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>illdan and sylvanas feeding their asses off
>try to blame it all on our morales
>morales proceeds to glue herself to my tyrael ass because i'm the only halfway productive person
>still lose big time
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>>187582135
>being a bruiser means you can't peel
hm
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>>187582867
and that is why you don't pick pyroblast if you dont know what the enemy heroes do
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>>187583050
legit didn't know he has this
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>furnace butcher
why is this a thing
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>>187583452
because sometimes you disconnect and the bot picks the shit ult
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>>187583452
muh damage

Shitters who don't finish their meat quest who are desperate for damage pick it thinking it'll be worth it.
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>>187583559
nah mayne I've played with and against a bunch of butcharoos today and then all went furnerino
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>>187583671
at what fucking mmr do people not take lambs in like 90% of games
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>>187583772
high silver low gold
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>>187583452
playing against an enemy team that is both competent enough to usually cleanse lamb and immobile enough for you to reliably hit 2+ with explosion
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LOOKS LIKE YOUR FOE BEAT YA TO IT
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mada mada
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>bought a 30 days stimpack in late July
>had emergency a couple days later
>just came back home
>missed out on 99% of it
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>>187584121
Fuck off, Genji.
Let me smash your buildings in peace.
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>>187584176
>f2p player sitting around wishing I could spent wow gold on hots
>2.0 thing happens and I get everything I want for free
like at this point I can't even begin to imagine spending $ on the game

>clear dailies in bot games
>open up chest
>3 day stim
>can't be on for a few days
ughhh wish they let you pick when to toggle/consume it
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>>187584405
>clear dailies in bot games
>not just playing ranked
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>>187583912
>team doesn't once get cannons
>3 of them give up after repeatedly diving entire enemy team 3 levels down 3v5 and dying
>'lol we can't win this why try'
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>>187584514
oh I was staying somewhere and using some laptop without a mouse
normally prefer to avoid queuing anything other than ranked

minus perhaps a warmup in try mode or something
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>>187584405
I think you can alt + f4 instead of accepting the chest and reopen it later when you can use the stimpack.
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>dreadlord jaina
>"scream for me"
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>>187584405
If you'd get a stimpack out of a chest, just crash your game. Box contents including stimpack are preserved if you do this so you can open it when you can make use of it.
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segregated servers per language when
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>>187585551
>>187584793
Easier, you can just log out from the bottom right corner.
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>>187585582
>be high rank
>suddenly no ESL
git gud anon
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>>187582923
Please tell me how Sonya, Chen, Zarya or Tyrael are supposed to peel.
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>>187585881
>be medium rank
>can't progress because stuck with brits, russians, spics and frogs
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>>187586417
>enemy team has same morons
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>>187586352
>sonya distractions and murders their assassin
>chen has massive slow on their backline
>zarya has a shield
>tyrael has a shield, speed, and sanct
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>>187586464
>enemy team doesn't
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>>187586565
That's not exactly peel, peel would be the ability to disrupt the enemy's team positing
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>>187586352
Leap, Wandering Keg, Repulsion Zone and Graviton surge will do the job, and Holy Ground.

They aren't ideal or constant, but they can peel.
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>>187586573
>impossible
>>187586630
peel is anything that protects a friendly target
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>>187587597
Well then you and I have different ideas of what peeling is.
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>decide to do team league for the first time in like a year
>play against fucking masters players while in placements
>they pick nothing but epin fotm heroes with 0 synergy
>we counter them and pick actual good combos like alarak + smash varian and lunara auriel
>they lose at 14 minutes at a literal 5 level deficit

I had no idea this shit was so easy. Do they let anyone into masters?
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>>187588582
Team league is less competitive than unranked.
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>There are only room for one KT around here
top bants
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>>187588582
other tales from the trench

>enemy team first picks rehgar
>we go dehaka sylvanas
>they go greymane artanis
>hmm what could their strategy possibly be?
>draft johanna lili cassia while they continue to pick nothing but right clickers
>they're blinded the entire duration of bloodlust and then some
>these players were diamond/masters
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>>187589015
>get placed in Diamond
>enemy team picks meta shit like Greymane Tass Malf Dehaka Muradin
>dude on my team last picks jaina when we don't have a tank
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>>187589015
You guys where smarter then some pro teams that I seen, so take comfort in the fact that you're smarter then people who plays the game for a living.
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>>187589712
Muradin is meta again? But they haven't given him any buffs in a long time, and they still haven't changed avatar to be something more then a health boost.
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>>187586352
not all non-tanks can peel
but those who can still should when convenient
just because you're playing kaelthas and "assassins arent tanks lul" doesn't mean you shouldn't stun the butcher who just charged your support
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forever chained arthas forever permafrosted body and soul forever seeing only darkness fully wrapped up in chains and loving it
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>>187589813
they changed avatar FROM something other than a health boost
it used to give him skullcracker on every attack in beta
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>>187589813
He was always decent though

>>187589945
Thats a dark path you going, don't do it anon.
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>>187589945
Fuck you
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>>187589945
if you start a thread on /d/ about this ill post in it
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>>187589945
Don't forget the delitized runeblade.
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D Azmodan is so good in low gold...
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>giving a hero 10% AP and a level 20 talent at 20 suddenly makes it fun and not trash
dreadlord jaina is the best skin in-game, too
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Artanis is ridonk this map rotation, he destroys everything on all the maps.
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I can't be the only one who dislike the new jaina skins.
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>>187593436
Remember the days when Artanis was a mandatory pick? Good times
>>187593994
Which one? We got two new skins
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How the fuck is mvp calculated? Thought it was kda, but it went to the most useless feeding piece of shit this game
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Time to play hero league for the mount. If I'm matched with golds I'll stop playing and sleep through team league games.
No point in trying to climb when they give you the mount just for participating.
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>>187566195
Nothin personnel kid
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>>187594062
I remember when he could have as much shield as life
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>>187594598
He had 2 more kills than anyone else and no one else had high enough numbers to offset
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Which Blizzard programmer thinks that it's better to have a bot instead of giving an option to remake the game and let the leaver eat up the MMR loss?
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>>187594598
I'm surprised that it didn't go to some faggot DPS player.
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>>187596279
They'll remake it to match it to overwatch system where you are free to leave the game but take the loss none the less
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>>187596401
>Blizzard slowly puts more and more Overwatch into HOTS
>Eventually, major overhaul patch turns the game into a third-person shooter
>Then a first-person shooter
>Then non-Overwatch characters are removed over time, you get refunded 100 shards if a hero you own gets removed
>One day, everyone is locked out of their account until they pay a one-time fee of $40
>Company is renamed ActivWatch
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>>187596714
But I already own overwatch.
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>>187596765
>Players who already own Overwatch get a 25% discount on regaining HotS access
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>>187596914
Nnnnoooooooooo
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>>187578764
Great mid to last choice, worse first pick.
she has many hard counters that QM players rarely know how to play right.
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>pick sylv on Braxxis
>also have Sonya on team
>Sonya wants sylv to solo
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>probius fun as fuck
>tfw dickass zerul comes within range of your upgraded cannons and you blow his shit out with pylon power
i do not regret buying this little beepboop fucker
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>>187598118
You will when Genji shits on your dreams.
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>>187574728
Hungering cold is legitimately the best talent on that tier for damage period no contest, even admitted by the hero designer himself. Icecrown is the waveclear talent.

If you can't land root then don't play Kelthuzad.
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>>187598421
>The first time I found myself playing Probius against a Genji
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>>187598421
luckily the only genji that's shown up so far kinda fucked off and we never really ran into each other and he fed like a motherfucker
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>>187598421
>>187598701
>Tracer
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>>187598680
You've got them mixed up. Icecrown is the one that works on heroes.
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>>187598954
Game designers words not mine.
https://youtu.be/4JCVNqXkW1g#t=19m19s
>hurr they dont even know their own game
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>>187599295
Probably changed the names.
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DAILY REMINDER THAT 27.07.2017 WILL BE FOREVER REMEMBERED AS A DARK DAY IN ORCISH HISTORY.

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Blizzard really fucked up with Garrosh's representation in Heroes of the Storm. His abilities and role do not fit his character fantasy in any way. His kit should have been for another character.

Yes, he is fun to play. But he should have been a bruiser, like Artanis, but with burst and less focus on defense and with an ability to force 1v1.

>what Blizzard devs did
Hey guys we plan to release Garrosh somewhere in summer 2017
Fast forward summer 2017
Alright guys just attach some existing kit to Garrosh and release him. And dont forget to make a legendary skin + bike with a bunch of tints
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>>187599584
He literally discusses functionality of each one. The stacking SP one is for sustain damage. Getting 13 + ticks of 200 additional damage is better than 5-30% on each spell stacking.

Sorry your feeble bronzie brain can't comprehend simple math.
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>gm cutoff is about 4.9k right now
pray 4 me brehs
didnt really wanna grind but now I'm tempted
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>ranked
>4 people hover assassins or specialists
>instalock illidan
Didnt want to win anyway
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>>187599818
So you mean, if the entire enemy team is tanks, and they all stand in your AoE, you might get more dmg than the talent that lets you instagib even more of the roster with your big bone?
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>>187601305
Even if you get half as many procs its still more damage

If you root, and hit one spell and auto attack, its more damage.

Even fully stacked, at 30% bonus damage, hungering cold out damages it in every conceivable circumstance.
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>zag solo bot, no one laning against her
>10 minutes later the fort is still there
>look at her talents
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>>187602515
>hotsg poster is trash
>not muh fantasy is meta
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>>187602849
>your talents
Bungaposter begone
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>>187603364
Ouch!
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lightning leopard li li when?
star princess valeera when?
sweet chromie when? arch nemesis leoric when?
are we getting a halloween event with a bunch of new skins?
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>>187603501
my talents are fine
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3,760 gems

from chars i need i dont have: ragnaros malthael greymane alarak varian zuljin dehaka xul leoric kaelthas artanis

what to buy :-D
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>>187604502
lost vikings
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>>187604502
Malthael is by far the most useful from those
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>>187604606
>Malthael
Not him, but really? I never see him anymore and when I do he just keeps dying
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>Hey, those forts don't grow on trees y'know! Or... maybe they do.

Ashenvale/Mount Hyjal map confirmed?
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>>187604606
literally only useful for braxis holdout
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>>187605754
One map should be orcs vs humans another should be vs scourge. Only things that matter in wc
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>>187605858
>>187605669
He's a good team killer and is easy to play.

He's good on every map and most comps, though bad against multiple ranged assassins.
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>>187604087
Then why did you lose?
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Damn Garrosh is more fun than I expected. Especially the Q+E combo in early game just really effective when it comes to getting kills and feeling devilish, but I often time lose matches and teamfights in the lategame. He doesn't dish out, he doesn't really tank. He just slows and throws, great in early game and it's really fun to throw champs around that think it's a great idea to attack head-on with my base in my back, but kinda frustrating in late game. Either way, he's a lot of fun, I love it when I can position champs into towers and forts and now I don't have to wait until I'm level 10 with Muradin or Stitches.
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>2.0 hype fell off
>Game is dead again
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>>187606101
Usually when I lose late game on Garrosh it's because we forget to focus my throw target and we just fuck off doing random shit instead.
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>>187606096
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>>187606150
Not really dead. Overwatch feels more dead with massive queues and shitty MM.
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>>187606192
>your damage
AHAHAH
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>>187606192
>mediocre stats across the board
You'd be the worst player on the team if you had two more deaths. As it is, you're just slightly above the feeding Leo and the retarded falstad.
>>187606150
Even PTR feels alive. HotS might overtake Overwatch on PC, honestly.
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>>187606183
Yeah, I noticed I just chimp out on my keyboard, hitting skills at random, you always hit something. But the damage just isn't there and he has suprisingly low health, that doesn't really get redeemed by his passive as most damage is dished out by abilities anyway. Maybe I'll need to experiment around more with builds, I always went for the circle strike R, because I tend to miss taunts or use them to an unsatisfying effect, guess I gotta learn to use that right.
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>>187606150
Nah man, this queue feels fast as fuck compared to pre 2.0. Only thing I noticed is that, if I join a quickmatch immediately after I just finished one, mine or the enemies team might have the same one or two players that did the same.
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why are turks the worst?
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When's the update going live in EU? Need to craft Jaina and turn on ingame sound for a change.
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>>187606809
>he hasnt met Russians
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>>187606809
small head
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>>187606920
dunno what shit ranks you have to play in to be concerned with russians
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>>187607004
The thing with Russians is, they are either at the absolute bottom or at the absolute top. You are only save in the mid ranks.
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>>187606150
>What are summer holidays
Holy fuck you burgers have been brainwashed to slavery and non stop work I swear. To not even think people go on vacation and stop playing during summer is crazy, even fucking Bolivians or Meheecans have holidays
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>>187607089
I just checked the Top lists and the first 8 places are south koreans and 9th-10th are brits. How the fuck do those koreans do it?
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>>187606920
Dunno lots of Russians play very well. I bet the shit Russians are from the broken southern republics and as a result turkic as well.
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>>187607221
>What are summer holidays
Those fucking kids man. Besides
>being tourist scum and shitting up other countries
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>>187607279
They're Asian m8. I bet the Brits are chinks or gooks as well.
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>>187606809
They hate fantasy, just check /twg/ and /d2g/ for proofs
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>>187607221
>Meheecans
What did he mean by this?
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>>187607374
??
You can go on vacation in your own country.
Or just stay the fuck home but at least stop going to work and do interesting stuff like hiking or swimming or something instead of playing vidya.
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>>187607004
>>187606920
idk about hots but in dota, russians are actually capable and dont give up. Thing is they arent able think at least 5 seconds ahead
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>>187607496
>Not knowing pre-2000 memes
Fucking newfagg
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Every single Valla I played on BoE with today went AA instead of arrow, is this an epic new meme ?
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>>187606150
My queues are still very decent.

>>187607483
It's weird how this is true. Why do turks hate fantasy so much?
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>>187607279
These countries have one thing in common: hygiene is unimportant.
Time not spent showering or brushing your teeth can be invested in vidya.
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healing magic..........................................
quaint................. but useful.........
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>>187607709
>knowing pre-2000 memes
>pre-2000
>memes

get out of the fucking basement you neckbeard faggot
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>>187567956
>>187568960
Lemme visualize it.
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>>187608528
i've had....much better healers
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i bought 10 loot boxes. it was a horrible experience. with each opened loot box i felt more pain. i do not recommend this to anyone do not repeat my mistake
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>>187609498
>buying anything in this game
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>Come back after a month
>Check whats new
>Hanamura has been removed from all game modes
Is HOTS officially the best moba out there right now?
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>>187610093
You can thank your warchief for delivering the Overshits to the trash heap where they belong.
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>>187610093
Damn, I already wondered why it was so much more fun lately.
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>>187610393
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>>187610393
Literally not him
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>>187610393
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>>187575492
Because they needed a permaban that was designed to invalidate every melee hero in the game.
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>>187610393
Looks closer to Reinhardt than Firebat. Firebat has two megaman handcannon things and you can clearly see fingers there.
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>>187580294
>pick raynor
>have to play scardycatmode becase can't escape from ganks ever
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>>187581482
You might as well pick SGT Hammer and actually have an escape.
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>>187610451
>>187610632
haha, everyone get sweaty because fire is hot, well memed
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>>187610393
GUYS GUYS GUYS THATS A DRAENEI
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>Be squishy
>Meet Chromie
>Fucking die
I hate that short cunt so fucking much
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>>187610948
>needing an escape
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0FPw-51WTQ
MMR grinding tune?
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>>187610393
That's Thrall
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>>187609019
If the only way you can thing to attack their back line is walk through their tank you are playing in wood league.
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best bros
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>>187611583
In some lanes in certain maps it's literally the only way. Cursed Hollow's lanes are especially bad about it.
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>>187607279
>How the fuck do those koreans do it?

If Starcraft and LeL are anything to go by, a whole bunch of them are pill poppers, SC has had a big issue with people knocking back adderalls like M&Ms coming to light more than once.
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>>187611636
>no warcraft 3 campaing had a group of heroes this bro
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i wonder if im the most toxic guy in hots. wish i could stream, it'd be my gimmick.

i play since kaelthas release and have

1 permabanned acc for "racism" before blizz made silence system
when they made silence system i was silenced all the time.
when silenced players got banned from ranked i would play for max 1 week before getting silenced again
majority of my losses are me simply intentionally throwing the game as soon as someone pisses me off
i rlly have no nerve for ppls bullshit in the game
i have 10+ silenced smurf accs
my main acc is silenced for 1 yr 6 months
right now i finished lvling my new smurf acc yesterday & didnt get silenced yet, but int. threw 4 placements so now im playing with plat faggots.
i think i int threw at least 1k ranked games over my time in hots

this dumb system + my attitude r the only things that prevented me from climbing out of diamond over the years.

even tho i was less skilled my peak was definitely during preseason when i was silenced but could play ranked
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>>187594598
Usually it is when you do 3 things better than the rest of the team.

>XP
>Damage against [category]
>Damage taken
>objective participation
>kills/assists
If you are #1 in 3 of these categories for your team you pretty much always get MVP.

In your example
>best XP
>best siege damage
>most assists
>2nd highest hero damage
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>not one but two bots on team
>still lose 200 points
thanks blizzard
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>>187611740
idk thought Illidan and Kael had a cool bromance going. Untill Blizz ruined it.
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>>187611324
Don't hate on rocketlegs.
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>>187611751
>i have 10+ silenced smurf accs
>my main acc is silenced for 1 yr 6 months
wew lad
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>>187611740
>>187611636
>implying Anub'arak had a say in whether he wanted to tag along when he was just a mindless husk
>implying Arthas had a real say either since his soul was taken by Frostmourne
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>>187611751
why would you be proud of having poorer social skills than a toddler?
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>>187611751
>Yuros

Big laugh
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>tracewhore and gayji are worst champs in game
>lucio is actually interesting without being OP
you can't explain that
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>>187613073
>literally incapable of not speaking in memes
>champs
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>>187613073
>without being OP

Probably because they gutted the shit out of him.
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>>187611146
>be Gmane
>meet Chromie
>pew fwoosh crash woof thunk sheesh thunk awooo dead Chromie
>get a free teleport back to safety to boot

I love that sandy crotch midget.
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>>187613162
lucio is fine l2p
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>>187613442
Probably because they buffed him.
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>>187610393
ENCHANCED

It looks like an old god/scourge themed skin for Firebat
Body type checks out, he even has something that looks like a fuel pipe
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>>187613542
Its a dragon on his spaulder
Makes sense what with the fire and all
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>>187613073
whiteys btfo
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>>187611751
>boasting with how retarded you are
wew
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>>187613542
Looks like a tuskarr.
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>>187613542

thats a minion. another starcraft event coming with new maps.
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>>187613542
Enchance the screen on the right, retard
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>chains you to an iceburg
>hear the ominous sound of the impending combo that will spell your doom
What do you do?
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>>187610393
Looks awesome, hope they make him into a melee warrior with splash damage.
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>>187615427
literally nothing you can do unless youre johana with iron skin or garrosh with self cleanse
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>lose one tower on tomb of spider queen
>lose the game
give me one reason why i should even bother trying after losing a tower. Not a fort, mind you, a fucking tower.
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Bought tyrande yesterday. Why the fuck blizz call her support? I got more kills and hero dmg than good healings. Even his both ult aren't for support
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>>187615602
Support =/= healer you fucking wowfag
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>>187612391
more like gyros
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>>187615471
nah, he's gonna be a support, setting allies aflame with heal over time...

of course he's gonna be a fucing warrior with AoE nigga!
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>>187615471
>tanky as shit
>flame thrower with DoT skills
>probably slows and a grenade stun
nah he's gonna be a specialist
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>>187615659
Always been so in HotS though. Go back to leeg obu lolz general if you want to shitpost you dotard.
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How do the reworks feel like? Anyone played some on ptr?
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>>187616682
>Always been so in HotS
>Tassadar
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>>187616861
Leoric feels like he has plenty of viable options as opposed to just one build, pros will probably figure the most optimal one but right now I dont think there are bad choices, he feels like Xul where you can just pick a build and tune it as you level up.
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>>187616861
Jaina BROKE
Leoric BROKE
Chromie harder to stomp, habe to git gud at Q otherwise BROKE
Morales seems good on paper but time will tell
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>playing garrosh
>against a 4-man
>stomp them easily
>they are on my team next game
>spend the entire game throwing them over walls
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>>187615523
People are shit and constantly throw games.
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>>187617097
>Morales seems good on paper

What kind of fucking paper are you using?
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>>187615884
>setting allies aflame with heal over time...
Jokes aside I can see this working for Alexstraza.
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>>187599747
Daily reminder you're a fag,
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>>187617478
French rule
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>>187617054
>>187617097
Are his aa cleaves enough to compensate the waveclear nerf on the swing?

And Jaina is busted? Really? Not that I mind since she's the first character I bought on release and I'm kind of miffed she got shifted out for le wizard of many resets.
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>>187610393
>we're getting Kel'Thuzad and Firebat in rapid succession
this is too good to be true
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>>187617715
A Song of Ice and Fire :^)
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>>187617701
Not OP enough to carry shitters but good enough to reward good Jaina players for playing well.

Way better than before.

Also, yes. Leoric can clear waves pretty fast if you cleave right for 0 mp. Pretty good. Also works with spectral leech.
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>>187618082
Pretty nice, thanks for the heads up. I'd rather have her solid than busted.
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>>187617571
that's why they removed Morales' talent that gave healing targets burning rage
it's gonna be base part of Alex's kit
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Heroes I never got gud with/played much
>Abathur
>Alarak
>Artanis
>Chromie
>Illidan
>Kerrigan
>Morales
>Murky
>Probius
>Stitches
>Tracer
>Tychus
>Zarya
Which should I git gud with?
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>>187616682
>LeL
>Dotard

Nigga
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>>187618960
Alarak is a lot of fun.

Artanis is probably still the best toe to toe bruiser in the game.

Tychus is a really niche pick but still real fun.
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anyone else think they kinda fucked Garrosh up?

He's a really strong combo-tank but why the fuck did they make him a combo hero?

He should have been based on Warrior skills, like Varian, but had more aggressive ones and been less of a combo hero and more of a bruiser.
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>>187618082
Cleave does NOT work with Spectral Leech.

>>187617701
You lost 100 damage pn Q and got a smaller AA cleave at 105 damage. It's virtually the same in lane, worse against mega waves, better in objectives like Infernal or GoT and better in teamfights. You always have Royal Focus and Kneel if you really need that Q waveclear.
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>>187619019
But dotards constantly shitpost in lolg my friend, try to comprehend the words in context of each other next time
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>>187619931
How could it even be more aggressive than Varian? Even his tank build is meant for aggression.
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>>187619931
>allowing me to play a hero that can kill my own teammates
that was blizzard's first mistake, into the fray should be removed before I get permanently banned.
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>>187619931
>>187620169
Really he should've just been a multiclass in all but name character, let him spec to either be tanky and disruptive like he is now or also be a solid duelist/assassin.
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>>187620169
Your confusing game design with general adjectives m8.

Varian is aggresive because everything about him gets up in your face but that doesn't mean his skills are actually that aggressive.

Charge is a gap closer, his Q is a generic shockwave, parry is a block skill and taunt is a peel skill as much as it is to secure skills.

When I say aggressive skills I mean shit like execute, cleave, recklessness.

The only aggro, smack you in the face skill he has is bloodthirst, the rest is CC.
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>>187620394
This, I don't care a huge amount about "hero fantasy" or whatever but it feels so unsatisfying to have all these meaty looking moves that do jack shit damage
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>>187619193
>Artanis
>better than the the skeleton king
lel
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>>187619931
this your future now
baseline quests on traits/60% of the talents and combo heroes
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>>187620327
Nah that's the only redeeming thing about him.

He feels more like donkey kong than garrosh the way he just chucks every motherfucker around.
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>>187620764
Maybe with his retarded looking rework coming sure, but fuckin lol if you'd rather have clunky ass Leoric than Artanis in most recent bits.
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>>187620924
what kind of a bronze ass shithole leorics have you been facing with artanis
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>>187620747
This desu.

Having the most angry guy in the setting also deal the least damage of any tank was a mistake.

He doesn't even have talents to switch him up and make him more of a bruiser.
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>>187621030
The kind of shithole Leorics that reside in diamond.
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>>187621070
>He doesn't even have talents to switch him up and make him more of a bruiser

This is all I want, just take some of the really shit-tier talents nobody uses and swap in some that give him some kind of damage boosts, make bloodthirst do multiplied damage to enemies under X% health or something fun.
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Blizzjew pls
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>>187621428
>give him some kind of damage boosts, make bloodthirst do multiplied damage to enemies under X% health or something fun.
Yeah that would be cool.

They've kind of attempted that at the moment but it doesn't work out at all.

You can use the armour boost to get the max damage out of body check, a bit like hearthstone, but the max damage you get is like 430 at level 16, when Garrosh is nearly dead. It's hardly impressive.
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>>187622081
Making some shitastic word puzzle does not give more credence to your shit opinions on Garrosh. Kill yourself.
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>>187622081
I already have Gul'dong but that was a good little memory jogger, only 1 or 2 of them were something that had completely gotten away from me.
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>>187622232
the damage is shit anyways
though that combo can work to get the 60% slow at 75% hp
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>7 loses in a row
>not even one was my fault

How to fix EU soloq?
>>
All I want is a 'good guy' hero who soaks up massive damage for his team and saves their asses. he doesn't even have to do damage, he just has to jump in with a confident smile on his face, and his very presence inspires hope in his team.
very related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OECmr9gCdRs
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>>187618960
Probius and Chromie
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>>187621030
artanis is better than leoric in almost every sense, the fuck are you even saying

the bronze here is you
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>>187624609
All Might made me think of Reinhardt at first.
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>>187624717
reinhardt, with braum's Get Behind Me from LoL as his second heroic would be fucking amazing
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>>187624609
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>>187624609
Johana?
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>>187624704
whatever you say anon
im convinced, for sure!
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>>187624815
he would be a fucking amazing hero

D: increased movement speed when running away from enemy heroes
Q: hamon aa reset, bonus spell damage on next attack
W: deep breathing, channels to gain armor and regen hp
E: CRAKUR BORREY: throws clacker, stays at destination and deals damage for a few seconds, then returns to him, slowing in its path
R1: tommy gun outta fucking nowhere: roots himself and deals massive damage in a target direction (sort of like the braxis boss)
R2: no fucking clue, maybe a taunt with "your next line is..."
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>>187624557
play better champions.

also assuming 50% win rate 0.5^7 = 0.7%

so if you played 7 games a day it would happen 4 times a year.
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>>187624803
I feel like Mei will show up fairly soon. Her kit is easy to implement. Q for frost spray, W wall, E encase self, first R is area banish, second R is whatever. Only real question is if using encase on allies should be by default or a level 13 talent.
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>>187626098
My overall win ratio is above 60%, I only play competent heroes and I'm well above 65% with my mains.

I just got a troll in every single game, 4 afks, 2 who refused to play healer and an instalock illidan who did less than 15k hero dmg in 20min.
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>>187626570
Consider only playing ranked during times of high population so you aren't matched with people distant from your rank.

Which is funny because League ranked is best on low population hours because its only autists who are playing.
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>>187626570
great, then just play more
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Is Valeera perhaps the most versatile assassin?
I can count on one hand how many times I've lost with her.
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>>187626839
Yes, she is very good in QM
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>>187625537
Artanis is much more mobile, more tanky, has sick displacement and outplay potential, way more dmg, snowballs harder, and a huge AOE 4sec blind that cucks AA carries like no other.

The only thing Leoric has going for him is entomb at quite low CD, that ult if well timed it's free kills. That and less ress time, but you shouldn't even die if you're not a shitter.
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>>187626839
The only thing Valeera lacks more than versatility is actual damage.
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>>187626839
>valeera
>versatile
u wot
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>>187626930
your post wasn't necessary, i know full well about artanis and leoric
i also know that, if you go back, you can see anon claiming that artanis is the best ``toe to toe bruiser``, which is simply incorrect. i don't see a single instance in which artanis can go toe to toe with leoric and lose, barring leoric missing his W.
i also think leoric is a better hero than artanis, but that is beside the point.
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DREADLORD JAINA TIER:

>Light Blue = Green
>Red
>DOGSHIT
>rest of the colors

PROVE ME WRONG MOTHERFUCKERS
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>>187626839
that's a lot of fingers
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>>187626491
>(cont)
Q would be a channeled cone ability like Tychus and causes a stun if a target is hit for ~4 seconds of the 6 second channel time. Damage would be low, would have a talent to increase basic attacks against stunned/rooted targets and probably some quest to increase the freeze spray duration and a talent quest to become unstoppable while channeling Q.

kind of a zoning warrior who doesn't have any instant stuns aside from the R banish.
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>>187627240
>and lose
and win*
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>>187580294
I rekt a QM Tracer with Raynor today, felt good. Especially since we had a Valla feed tracer 4 kills before level 4 and then disconnect, meaning bot Valla.
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>>187627298
Default is mommy tho
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>>187627360
>filename
good old days
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>>187627298
Default is best, all the rest can go.
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>>187627298
are those fat tits shopped
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>>187628045
Go to ptr. Bring tissues. Report back to thread.
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should i buy jaina just for the new skin?
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>>187628721
Is broken right now with the rework.
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>>187626762
>>187626768
9 losses now, I'm unironically quitting the game. Already unstalled, bye forever.
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>>187629027
what an odd thing to quit over
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>>187629027
>quitting because of a loss streak
>which everybody goes on
>in basically every game
You were never gonna make it, breh.

>>187628721
>not already owning Jaina
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>>187629282
>games full of trolls
>game too simple to carry 1v5

Yeah, I should get my ass back to dota or league.
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Ya'll watching these?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sLcJvu2J6U&t=37s
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>>187629437
>You were never gonna make it
I already made it into GM in preseason and season 1, who cares about the game anymore.
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>>187629608
why were you playing past season 1 if you didnt care
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>>187629464
But they both have minimum 30 minute games.
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>>187629464
idk about dota but there's more bungaposting about league than hots

>wah top fed
>wah bot is 0/8 in 10 minutes
>muh mid never roam
>stoopid jung never genk
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>>187629790
Dota wards off a lot of it purely because one guy playing their ass off hard enough can swing a game on the right character, you're not forever shackled to your team if they're being worthless this or that time.
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>>187629027
Apparently you were doing something wrong.
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>>187629464
>one of the few games where feeding doesn't matter that much
>one of the few games where a favorable teamfight evens the XP and hero power
>one of the few games where jungle objectives matter more than a timed buff
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>>187626839
Valeera can literally only kill people one way

>>187629608
Quitting because you lose is child shit.
Gopd riddance.
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>like playing abathur
>only when i get a clone and can fuck up teams with "SURPRISE 2 oBUTCHERS-Jaina-sylv-diablo-nazebo-kael"
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>ANOTHER angel
>it's not Imperius
LOL
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When do eurocucks get the fucking update
I don't care about the new man, I just want the Chromie / Jaina / Morales reworks
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can i get a quick rundown on how to play garrosh?
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>>187632445
1. Don't
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>>187632445
hit q on thing that won't fuck up your team ie malth
press e on thing that won't fuck up your backline ie sonya
that's kind of it
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>>187632445
flip people over your wall at the start of the game
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>yfw
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>>187632890
W-what
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>>187632890
You mean you didn't know?
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>come back to HotS
>queue in QM
>straight up all loses even if im doing well
>queue in Unranked
>straight up 700s from 80s estimated waiting
what the fuck
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>>187633341
play during evenings.
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>somehow an orc with magic killed Varian but 3 heroes can't
makes you think don't it
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>>187631435
good, we need an angel specialist for full team

Imperius was a shitty D3 OC, he was never mentioned before that shitshow of a game
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>>187633667
>twin meme blades
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>>187633667
so this.. is truly the supreme power.. of TWIN BLADES DUAL WIELD SUPER FAST NINJA ASSASSIN Varian.. hmph.. i might.. try this
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am i gay?
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say something nice about him
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>>187633667
Literally everyone fucked up
>Johanna blinds while Varian is whacking on Butcher who doesn't need the mitigation
>Butcher doesn't brand and outslap him
>no Kael stuns
>Arthas chases Nova instead of collapsing on twin memes and cucking him super hard
>Varian picked twin memes
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>Chromie pickers
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This game is so fucking unfun. Holy fucking shit.

>tracer
>genji
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>>187633689
the sin war trilogy is like 10 years old anon
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anyone knows what heroes will be good vs kelthuzad and why
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>>187635302
>what'll be good against an immobile mage whose only forms of self-peel are skillshots
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>>187635302
I havent tried the ptr but I imagine zeratul would be half decent with all the teleport trickery and access to spellshield if needbe
Tracer to since everything he does is skillshot
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>>187634432
He's very robust.
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>>187635501
>chains you to spike
>bursts you dead
>dashes away on a 240s CD
heheheheheee fear the call of kel'thuzad
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>>187635208
Literally all of the Overwatch heroes are straight up cancer in this game.
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*blocks your path*
don't forget to pay your taxes kids...
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What the actual fuck? I was never a fan of KT but I knew something is wrong besides his retarded looking HotS model & unfitting kit. It's his voice too.

BADASS SKELETON VOICE HERE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aIxJ48u9w

In HotS he sounds like a redditor
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>>187636106
This is bait.
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>>187635664
>hitting Tracer, Genji or Zeratul
no

>Kel'Thuzad making it through bans
doubt
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>>187636106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VEalDEF-c
You know WotLK Nax isn't canon? Vanilla is. And he sounds like he does in vanilla.

>>187636315
>he is a low skill bimbo
Go back to LoL, that's the designated gurl gameeer 'game'.
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>>187636106
>hating on the original WC3 voice of grandadfu Michael McConnohie
>suggesting WotLK voice as a superior

underage please go
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>>187636106
Sounds stupid but not as stupid as you.
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>>187636482
>he is a low skill bimbo
u wot

>go back to league
?
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>>187631435
Its just malthael with different art

Keep in mind this video is like from 8 mo this ago
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>>187631435
It's obviously Malthael, though.

>>187633689
The specialist label was a mistake.
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>>187636841
>>The specialist label was a mistake.
Not really, it usually means the hero is good at non-hero damage and/or utility, assassins used to kinda suck at that before mages because a thing.
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>>187637747
Specialist in no way implies any of that. It simply means "unconventional or non-general" role or playstyle.

If Rock&Roll Racer is released, it will be a specialis because it will play wildly different than anything else not because it isn't a good assassin.
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>>187636770
thats the other angel i cant remember his name but he ded
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>>187638774
It's not Itherael and he's not dead.

Its Malthael, the angels are very easily distinguishable for a reason
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>>187636106
>badass skeleton voice
sounds pretty shit to me
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>>187634419
150%
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>>187636000
People overestimate Arthanis shields
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>>187633689
you don't need a specialist for full team in the first place dumbass

>>187637747
it's pretty stupid because about half of the time it means "unique gimmick hero" like murky/aba/tlv and the other half it just means "assassin with better-than-average pve" like nazeebo, hammer, sylvanas
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what to build malthael?

everything into the heal ability?
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>>187639267
No, if you only get two talents make it the increased trait duration talent and the bonus damage after 4 seconds one..
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>>187639538
>if you only get two talents
That came out wrong but you know what I mean
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>>187639615
Trade for carpet at 20 if behind
Trade for memento mori if you trust your support
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why is Probius even a hero
>worker rush is basically a bad version of thrusters
>can't relocate your pylons, meaning you always have to create a new one and then wait 15 seconds for the next one instead of just being able to move existing pylons
>photon cannon has only one charge and it only has one talent to increase its uptime, with said talent being dependent on your cannon hitting heroes
>you can't even order your cannons to focus a target which means even your cannon uptime is unreliable, since your cannons will often just focus buildings instead of heroes
they practically force you to go for the warp rift build to at least remain relevant in fights
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>>187640182
Or on BoE. Seriously fucking pick this shit on BoE.
Carpet + Memento with an optional Shade Quest at 4 is ridiculous at the pokey defending/attacking dance late game.
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>>187640336
photon cannon is useless garbage so only having 1 charge is barely a downside in the first place

probius is just a rift-spam bot who shits out massive amouts of (easily avoidable) aoe damage
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>>187641003
Photon Cannon is your AA replacement, pretty much.
Mage AAs suck balls, so guess why the turret is the way it is.
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Fuck overwatch
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>>187640336
oh, and not to forget:
>have to take at least 5-6 seconds to set up a pylon and photon cannon on an objective
>have to take at least 20 seconds to be able to get full value out of one of your ultimates
>enemy just has to walk away slightly and move the fight elsewhere in order for a photon cannon build to be completely useless
and all this time you could just be focusing on hitting warp rifts and actually doing something in the fight
why create a hero when one of the hero's two builds wins against the other by a landslide
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>>187642602
That D.Va just fed your team 3.5 deaths in the space of a killing spree, why are you whining?
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Even emojis of Dreadlord Jaina are great

What's the code for them? :dljainahappy:?
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>>187634432
he's got cool looking legs
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Heh, greetings
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>>187645326
well my boy you just won a code for him with that skin, ill post it here in 2 min
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>playing johanna
>get indestructible or invincible or whatever its called at 20
>never use it because im johanna and can't fucking die
what a shitty talent
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>>187646341
7650277783759482029426982

glhf
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>>187646479
At level 20 you pick Storm Shield, anon
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playing unranked and being matched with literal retards on your team who respond to any criticism with a variation of "it's just a game bro" is the surest way to lose your faith in humanity
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>>187647834
well i was in hl last week and there was this valla who in this 20 min match did 0 hero damage..
im not shitting you
literally 0 hero damage.. in HL
had 3-4 matches with people like that and ended in gold.. lat season i was on diamond.
i will not cry i can go up but why go troll in hl ? i dont understand.
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>no pirate hero
can we pitch in funds to get blizzard to buy the right to old ganplank so we can finally have a proper pirate hero that isn't a shitty cassia or falstad skin?
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>>187639238
I remember when Artanis could win that fight.
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>>187648628
BARREL
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>>187648628
Edwin Vancleef would be cool.
Too bad we'll end up with Vanessa cause tiddie.
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>>187648849
MORE POWDER
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>>187648845
He would have if the player wasn't such a complete dumbfuck.
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>>187563828
Actual question here , how the fuck do i get out of bronze , people just do retarded plays, every single time i have to play either tank or heal because nobody else wants to and then this.

>BOE
>Nice team
>Pick Artanis
>Last pick will pick garrosh, fine by me
>Then he suddenly picks Raynor
>??
>"we dont have damage"
>We win the first 2 inmortals
>Raynor decides to go ham and follow enemies to their forts
>Dies
>Inmortal time
>Decides to soak when were on the same lvl
>Lose the inmotal
>THEN HE JOINS THE BATTLE
>We are all dead
>He dies and complains that im always running away
>He keeps going 4vs1
>Keeps saying i shuldnt run away

Im so fucking tired , like seriously is there a way or should i just play qm and never touch ranked again?
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Give me a good reason why I shouldn't buy this skin.
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>>187649358
xul zag or hammer and just eat minions/structures

>like seriously is there a way or should i just play qm and never touch ranked again?
lmao what
you stuck in bronze so you'd rather just shit it up in bronze qm instead of climbing
okay whatever, you do you
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>>187583130
Lunara has a similar one. It's almost identical to the normal spell shield talents but it's 75% instead of 50%. As long as you turn it off and wait for KT to pyro you, you'll basically never die to it unless you're on a sliver of life as you run away or something.
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>Your most played hero is now your roommate.

How good/awful is it?
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>>187649358
"proper" team comp is overrated in lower leagues, just draft a specialist that can split push like zagara and you'll stomp bronzies through map pressure alone
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>>187649406
it's not worth the doritos.
>no unique animations
>no unique models or effects (besides shitty locust)
>no unique audio

blizz saw an opportunity to make some shekels for the 2.0 release by making him legendary for the braindead abathur mains, while comparable skins are only 400 shards
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>>187649821
I believe the symbiote turns into a plush toy.
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>>187649798
>azmodan
i don't know enough about diablo lore to make an assessment here, but i assume it could be pretty dope having a fuckload of demon warriors to do all the housework
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>>187590007
>tfw you will never play as Marah again

why live
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>>187649406
because it's overpriced and shit

>dood it's legendary
because they knew retarded memers would buy it, just like the announcer

>>187649358
by winning
just pick something that looks good for the map/teams
and win
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>>187649798
Total bro-tier Pally Dad.
Until I need to burn a city to protect the rest of the kingdom.
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>>187649982
oh fuck nevermind then, i'm totally willing to dole out 1600 shiny doritoes for a goddamn plushie
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>>187650049
He's the Lord of Sin and his concubine rules the realm of Lust. He can probably summon a succubus for you if you want.
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>>187649795
Remember when retards in this very general said that Lunara was shit because "Even Valeera can just nuke her in a second".
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>>187649798
>Alarak

brb finding a sublet
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>>187650374
i assumed there were 7 baddies for each sin, but his appearance and quotes would tend to make me think he was in charge of gluttony. the more you know i guess
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>>187650540
she's very positioning-reliant and has a lot of dogshit/niche talents, so it's easy to see why people think she sucks. she's one of those "easy-hard" heroes like people were talking about a thread or two ago
her whole MO is that you win a war of attrition by kiting them all over the place and slapping dots on them, and then you murder them with leap/vines once they've overcommitted
poison does stupid fucking damage because it has 5% or 5.5% level scaling meaning that by level 20 it does 30% more damage than most shit and by 30 it does 50%, so you tag people and they start melting, especially with that talent that makes it do 50% bonus damage to slowed heroes
>>
is there anyone who can win vs sonya/chen on top lane braxxis? I main zagara but really struggle against those two
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>>187649798
>Artanis

He's a cool, but also kinda hammy with how every other thing he says is something inspirational.
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>>187649798
>Kael'thas
Sick, I'm buds with royalty.

Even though elves are filthy.
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>>187649798
>Nova

I never see her and she only leaves dirty dishes and laundry around.
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>>187651038
Leoric if you land your sucking hand, maybe Thrall or Illidan and a good butcher can do it too.
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>>187649798
>Tychus
Oh it's off to the beaches every day.
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>>187651038
to win against sonya you just need a way to stop her spin
alarak can poke her to death with lightning spam while shutting down any attempt to spin in a creepwave for hp
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>>187649798
Sonya as a roommate would make my life a lot more complicated but a lot sexier.
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>>187649406
Wait for Skelethur to come back and get that instead
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>>187651817
Alarak can also do pretty well against them as long as you play it right. Against Chen, use Q and W independently and only to stop drinking. Good Chens will try and hard read your Q and jump it with his Q. Against Sonya, just Q the spin and then manfight her, you actually hit harder than she does with autoattacks.
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>>187649798
>Anub

I literally can't think of a worse one.

>Doesn't even fit in most rooms to begin with
>Huge fucking beetles everywhere keeping my house pest-free but also eating all my shit
>Wake up with random furniture covered in silk
>Burrows around the house destroying fucking everything in his path
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>>187652310
Rag is probably worse.
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>>187652461
>Burns your house
>Now lives in the never-ending inferno that used to be your house

Rag is an asshole.
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>>187652310
>free silk (valuable as shit)
>lots of little beetle friends to hang out with
>mages stop bothering you
>bro is so considerate that he burrows places so his massive bug legs don't ruin your floors
you sound like an ungrateful fuck
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>>187649798
>valla

Cheer up demon hunter!
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>>187649798
>Zagara
best girl
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>>187652461
think Butcher would be worse
you'd run from him and he'd find you and chop you up like he was Ed Gein or something, and he'd get stronger every time he killed someone
you're out on the streets sleeping because you had to leave your house, and suddenly you hear EE EE EE WHUMP WHUMP WHUMP WHUMP

at least with Rag you could just leave forever and you'd be fine
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how do i build garrosh for dmg? because i cant count on my team to kill anything even when i throw them between the 4 of them
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>>187654248
That's a fair point.
>>
https://clips twitch tv/SullenTemperedBurritoRalpherZ
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>>187607221
Today I learned that people from other countries don't have jobs, children or responsibilities and enjoyments outside of video games. Actually I already knew that. What I learned was that if you're eurocucked enough you think being adolescent forever is a good thing.
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>>187655372
americans are cucks for their corporate overlords who will gladly work 50 weeks a year with 0 sickdays
>>
Some of KT's old shit.
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>>187655762
Old trait.

(Not pictured: Quest: Deal 20000 hero damage.)
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>>187655985
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>>187649798
>The Lost Vikings

>erik just runs around the house
>baleog does nothing but wrestle polar bears
>oalf just fucking eats everything
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>>187649358
No joke, this is the only real answer:

Skip a season, play no games in ranked or unranked. None.

Only play QM at prime hours and aim for a 55% winrate. When your MMR resets after that season, you can place again to get out.

No one gets to bronze by accident, so you can't get out by accident. Your bunga team didn't get you there, you were there before you queued for ranked. Seed your MMR and try again next season.
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>>187654346
You don't. His damage is awful unless the enemy team is all melee, then you just pad numbers with decimate spam.

If you aren't successful with him it probably because you aren't good enough with him yet.
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>>187654346
Pick a different hero.
Garrosh's biggest weakness is his tank-stitches levels of nodamage.
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Remember to thank your healers

also post some brightwing
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>some mouthbreather knocked out internet in my area with their car
How am i going to get mad at video games now
>>
So are all healers from here on out going to be energy based?
I see no point in picking a hard healer with Tyrael and now Morales being superior since no mana.
Utility supports with shitty heals like rehgar and brightwing can continue to exist I guess
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>>187659198
Mana serves a role, it was just always weird on Morales considering that medic in SC use energy and her niche is supposed to be this sustaining pocket healer that requires protecting constantly also needing to go back for mana every 30 seconds.
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>>187658026
>healers
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>>187659604
hey atleast it aint that panda girl
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>>187658026
Thank's Uther, the only good healer
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>>187658858
My internet has been down for three days because of a hurricane.
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>>187660565
Too bad too
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>>187660127
Lucio and Rehgar win more than Uther at all skill levels now
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>>187658026
Ugly winged frog
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>>187655372
>t. good goy
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>>187603705
Too bad her model looks nothing like that and is really fucking disgusting
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>>187658026
>>187659939
>tfw no faerie dragon to cuddle
Didn't blizzard have a plushie of them at one point? I can't find it.
Might have to get that zergling one instead, but I've always been a fan of warcraft over starcraft.
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>>187655372
Yeah right, now go suck that big (((goblin))) dick.
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>>187659604
I'll take a good one of these over any healer, even a good Uther. It's like having a bro that gives you vision and turns you into Genji. A good Uther's a close second though.
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>when tanks don't want to initiate team fights
>when dps joins team fights late or not at all
>when when lane pushers aren't going solo
>when healers are dying first

IT'S NOT HARD FIGURING OUT YOUR ROLE IN THE FUCKING GAME!!!!
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>>187649798
>Nazeebo
As long as he can handle his pets, it's cool by me.

BRAAAAHP AIIIEEEEEEE
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>>187666195
>be tyrande
>waiting for ETC to engage so I can e on his q
>just keeps right clicking around at a "safe" distance
>eventually gets poked down by enemy team
I wonder what his plan was.
Seriously is there anything worse than a tank that is too pussy to engage?
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>>187667370
similar siuation

>literally just slide anybody
>he does
>nigga gets blown the fuck up
>never does it again
like a fucking valla vaulted into him
and he just backed off

holy
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>>187622081
Fuck koff
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>>187667370
It's worse when your team is too pussy to follow up
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>>187667370
It goes both ways.

>be ETC
>waiting for malf to be ready
>slide expecting follow-up root
>he fucks off
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>kael'thas complaining about malfurion's "instant root"
>'wtf report this guy, he's 100% hacking'
>everyone calling him out on his bullshit and trying to explain how malf root works
>he just rages and afks
you'd think after 800 levels, you'd have at least SOME understanding of how abilities work?
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what's the verdict on li li brehs? (in game i mean, furfags gtfo)
nerfs? buffs? fine where she is?
trying to copy my GM friend by playing her a fuck ton to learn positioning, and i can't get a grasp on where she stands
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>>187669471
What's your friend's name?
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>>187669471
5.6% pickrate and 50.6% winrate in masters over the past 3 weeks.
They're okay, only really shine when you can abuse the blind.
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>>187669471
situationally useful as a flex-pick weird bruiser thing in a situation where blind is good
i don't know why you'd care unless cassia was already picked or banned though
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>tfw 8 losses in a row when coming back to HotS in QM
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>>187670851
Forced 0%.
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>>187670934
no please
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Someone was just telling me about ratting down a core with an ultimate evo gazlowe's turrets

So i just had the thought - what happens when you ultimate evo probius? Can you use their pylons? Do your pylons last until killed and also work for real probe? Can you detonate eachothers warp vortexes?
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>>187672793
>Can you detonate eachothers warp vortexes?
The answer to this was yes when there were 5-probe teams in brawls
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>>187672793
rule of thumb is that everything overlaps. jaina, for example, both can apply chill and both can use chill.
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>>187672815
That's a good loadout.
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>>187670247
i don't want to say anything he wouldn't want me to
he actually hasn't been playing a lot this season though
>>187670447
i feel like everything she does is incredibly weak
>>187670581
would you kindly please explain further? i do not understand your wording
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>>187674153
she's not a tank, a main healer, or a real ranged dps (the 3 core roles in a hots team), so you need to have all 3 of those in addition to her -- she fits in one of the two "flex pick" slots on a team

she's good against teams where blind is good because her only good ability is her blind -- go winds build and spam that shit

'bruiser' because she can actually be a fairly durable and hard-to-kill frontliner for your team
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>>187649798
>Medivh
>my entire house is now a magic citadel full of spoopy ghosts and enchanted furniture
T-thanks
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>>187649798
>Raynor
>I get killed because he wants to get laid.
T-thanks.
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>>187674881
Can't blame him. Sorry Tychus.
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>>187670851
>play unranked
>we get the level 4 BW and they get the level +105's
>we just lose because of that
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>>187674881
Ah hope she was worth it... Jimmy
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Wow Probius is really fun
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>it's another "someone doesn't understand how Azmodan works and rages about him not jumping into the middle of teamfights" episode
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>>187674881
never considered that part of his lore

sure, tychus was an ass, but now i think jimmy is an even bigger ass
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>>187678119
Don't forget, Kerrigan and Jimmy broke up anyways.
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>>187678256
Hard to date a giant space goddess while being a puny Terran.
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>>187677698
>it's another "you have a poke comp but your tank initiates immediately without letting anyone poke first" episode
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>>187678256
>'love ya darlin, here lemme kill my best friend to prove it
>'jk, the zerg look ain't doin it for me darlin
>kerri uses her god powers to look human again
>'it was all a ruse, i really do love you darlin

what a dick, i'd love kerrigan even in zerg form especially in zerg form
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Holy kek. They didn't get a single tower.
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>>187677698
Specialist life is the hard life.
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>>187649798
>probius
>pylons everywhere
>randomly bang shins on new turret every day
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how the fuck do I get out of low silver high gold
I can somewhat carry games as Azmo but Azmo is often banned/picked before I can do anything, I always have feeders on my team, if I don't play support the support is trash I.E. doesn't pick cleanse vs. Butcher, or the tank never engages,if I don't play spec I end up with Naziboo who doesn't clear waves, doesn't get stacks, and doesn't get proper talents, I don't know what the fuck to do
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>>187680596
i climbed my way to plat from silver 4 by picking position abusing heroes like artanis
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>>187681085
Artanis is free this week so same problem as Azmo, also low gold teams don't understand the concept of solo laning and rotation, just looking at the minimap sometimes gives me apoplexy
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>>187681236
plat players don't understand either desu

pick dehaka then
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>>187680596
>>187681236
Could help to pick something that counters Azmo/Artanis if they picked.

Just spam meta heroes like Gul'dan, Anub'arak, Zul'jin, etc.
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>>187680596
First, you have to realize both your teammates and the enemy team is shit.
You're probably shit too.
Stop being shit.
Make the map your bitch. Force objectives, force people to fight you 1v1 and win, take forts. Show up to team fights. If you're average, you'll win half of them. If you lose, go do something else. You can honestly get more done solo than an entire team if you know what you're doing.
You should be able to 1v1 or 1v2 easily with whatever hero you pick, even if its cheesy shit like poking them to half, going to tap and finishing them, or moonfire malf and just outhealing. Or just straightup pick an assassin and murder them. Every hero can make it to grandmaster, as Glogan is evidence of. Seriously, I wish that guy would kill himself already.
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>>187681445
On this vein, I don't know what counters Artanis.

I guess like...shields and spells since Arty only does burst and blinds.
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>>187682086
that's literally what I do, I just pushed 3 lanes at once on BHB as Azmo vs. Zag, Sonya and Samuro and my team managed to almost throw the game, and then they accused me of throwing despite carrying them.
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>>187680596
spam greymane forever he's the fuckin easiest hero in the world and is still OP
just right click spam qs and sometimes blow people up
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>legendary loot crate
>murky announcer duplicate
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Is Ragnaros still good anymore?
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>>187624704
artanis is fucking shit compared to leo
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>>187685453
>400 doritos
Duplicates are the second best thing after the actual thing you want. Would you rather it be a chinese Arthas horse? Or an ugly color variant of a skin you already own and use but with better color?
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>>187686601
Got nerfed a million times and he's kind of underwhelming now. I'd say you're better off with Malthael or Xul at the moment.
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Any murky players here?

Why do you insist on ruining the game for 9 other people?
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>>187649798
I sleep in fear I'm going to wake up inside a giant cocoon and I've got like 4 extra legs
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>>187686937
...Improved
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Would it be better or worse if I'm fapping between matches?
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>>187649798
You know that movie trope with roommates fighting about something and then one day there's a line in the middle of room?
Yeah...
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>>187686679
Sauce me fampai.
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>>187687583
It's in the filename.
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>>187687831
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>>187688036
The artist name is g1138.
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>>187688174
Anon you're a life saver.
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>>187686760
murky is a good and strong hero though
are you sure you're not thinking of some other hero, like Gazlowe or Li-li
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>Finally saved up 1000 Doritos for the first time.
Fuck yes.
Now how much is that Skelethur gonna cost?
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>>187649798
>kharazim
>have to take my shoes off at the door
>everything in the apartment arranged for feng shui
>makes me go to the bikram yoga class he teaches on wednesdays
>his hair is clogging the damn shower drain
0/y'tar
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>>187689096
feng shui is pretty comfy though, I'm saving up some money to buy land and build an ancient chinese style home following taoist concepts
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>>187689209
>a fucking leaf
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>>187689326
I'm european akshually
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>>187649798
>Sgt. Hammer
>Entire place smells like engine grease
>Probably food scraps every where
>Both parking places filled by he fucking tank
>Cooks everything with napalm
>Can probably fix anything in the place without calling a repair man
>Probably walks around in bra and shorts if anything because to lazy to put on clothes
>Might be able to cuddle for warmth in the winter
>Or might just crack napalm shells and light the house on fire

I'd give it three months.
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>>187689096
I'll take that over like 75% of the cast, including the humans. Only characters I think would be as pleasant are Jaina, Lucio, and Genji. Maybe Chromie/D.Va/Tracer if you're really outgoing.
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>>187690480
Jaina would steal your booze and bring 10 black dudes to gang bang her in the living room then she'd let you clean up the mess
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>>187690695
maybe post-Theramore Jaina
default HotS Jaina would probably be too nice if anything, she'd make you tea every day after work even though she has zero interest in you but chronically sucks up to people out of habit
but it'd be okay because free tea, why the fuck not
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>>187690480
>pleasant roommates
>a fucking DJ nigger with mechanical legs
It could be only worse if he had vuvuzelas on his back and a pair of barking dogs for hands. You'd go ballistic on the second day and deaf by the end of a week
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>>187691329
yeah but we're comparing "normal human being that's not aggressively violent or basically a homeless guy in armor" to shit like

>giant bug-spitting vagina monster
>10-foot-tall ayylmao with narcissistic personality disorder that's planning to become supreme leader of the country by staging the entire bureaucracy's deaths
>giant lumbering Mr. Munch that eats people instead of pizza and comes with a built-in Psycho soundtrack
>giant stinky metal-obsessed cow-man
>guy who's basically decaying standing up and has necrophilia but still fucks animate objects somehow
>three literal vikings
>yoshi but actually kind of scary
>chick whose bottom half is a fucking deer and exactly as large as you'd expect someone with most of a deer for legs to be, coincidentally also a smelly hippy
>pyromaniac wizard guy who makes tornadoes for fun
>LITERALLY SATAN HIMSELF
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>>187688395
doesnt matter how strong he is

that cahracter is anti fun
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>>187683887
Good, then. Keep it up. Ignore shitters. I like to tell them to uninstall.
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>>187686760
Professional Murky here
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>>187686679
>hots getting more porn
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>>187689082
>have 15k
>bought blue cloud and that's it
>want to get dreadlord jaina
>can't buy it on the ptr

At least there's that gem quest so it wasn't too bad.
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>>187583452
Because sometimes you need burst damage, and between a charge, q+aa and furnace explosion you can pop a squishy.
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cleaving a whole team to pieces with the level 13 talent and aoe lamb is the zestiest shit you can do on butcher
prove me wrong
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>>187584343
>pushing top lane deathbridge with dragon knight

welp you basically killed falstad and you did kill illidan.
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Why are the muted players always the biggest shitters and feeders?
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>>187691329
Lucio takes efforts to ensure he or anyone else doesn't get tinnitus and would offer you super duper noise cancelling headphones from the year 2090 if you were really that bothered

Also his legs aren't mechanical they're just skates

>>187691831
>Room with Li-Ming
>Sneezes and accidentally casts arcane orb, blowing a hole in your wall
>"Sometimes I'm so good I astound myself! :D"
>attempts to fix it with more magic
>blows more holes in your wall

Uther, Jaina, Tracer, D.va would probably only be the other tolerable humans. Pandas would be tolerable depending on how much you're okay with the house smelling like alcohol 100% of the time
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Why bant when you can throw?
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>>187693779
>that genji

yeah that's a fucking peruvian, mute that guy forever
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>>187693505
If she was dtf she'd do some hella good femdom though.
>want to see a magic trick? hmhm~
>how does THIS feel?!
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Why am I enjoying this game? I normally hate AoSlikes but I'm really enjoying HOTS. I even have taken friends away from LoL and DotA to play this with me and they don't want to go back.

What is it about HotS that makes it bearable?
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>>187649798
>Auriel
Angelic and sexy
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>>187689082
I played this game for months and still only have 1500 doritos

I just want my meme dragon announcer ree
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>>187693958
Shorter matches makes it less painful to lose, no laning phase so you can go straight to action
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>>187693958
no stupid farming bullshit or item shopping just fight each other

more than 1 map

musics pretty good
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>>187693451
This holy shit, and the ping spamming
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>>187693451
>>187694156
Duh, they got silenced for abusive chat

It's Blizzard's favorite punishment
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>>187693451
I find people who feel the need to trash talk their own team to be a lot worse than quite people.

But fucking pingers are the worst.
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>>187691831
>chick whose bottom half is a fucking deer and exactly as large as you'd expect someone with most of a deer for legs to be
I chuckled

Also, I thought
>giant lumbering Mr. Munch that eats people instead of pizza and comes with a built-in Psycho soundtrack
was supposed to be Dehaka and I now had a craving for playing Dehaka, but then there was the yoshi comment, so I suppose that description was Butcher
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>>187691831
>10-foot-tall ayylmao with narcissistic personality disorder that's planning to become supreme leader of the country by staging the entire bureaucracy's deaths
>guy who's basically decaying standing up and has necrophilia but still fucks animate objects somehow
??
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I dig Azmodunk. Which ability should I choose? the one that empowers Globe for scoring kills, or for hitting heroes?
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>>187694859
The latter. I'd recommend against taking Taste for Blood unless you're duo with a Leoric, Jaina or Jojo who'll help you soak from two lanes on select maps.

The E talent(s) aren't the worst, especially at lower mmrs and/or when the enemy team lacks a reliable means of disrupting your channel.
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>>187693958
Just because bullshit adds artificial depth doesn't mean its fun.
Ironically, that's what nuWoW is.
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>>187694728
Alarak basically murderers everyone higher up than him to become highlord. Which is totally legal on his planet and how they do things. Protoss are also super fucking tall the game just doesn't do a good job of showing it

I don't actually know who he means by the second one, I assume either Leoric or Kel'Thuzad, or maybe Arthas? I'd go with Sylvanas if he didn't say guy
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i will drink li li's tea
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>>187695861
This is perfection.
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>>187695605
>>187695861
>>187696006
we alarakposting now?
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>>187692586
How so?
He seems no more stressful than any other hero. It's just head games really. treat him like any normal hero target and he is no more threatening than Zag or Naz.
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>>187692586
There are far worse "antifun" heroes to face than him. Nova and Samuro being top of list for allies while Azmodan and Genji for enemies.
Over all Medivh suffers the most if you are not in a chat, he can't really coordinate with his team but he can make doing anything undetected frustrating for the enemy team.
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>>187649798
>Probius
I'm gonna have the most tech out, energy sufficient and secure living area whether I want it or not.
>>
>everyone picks dps with a stitches tank
>pick malf cause whatever
>dps never kill shit
>still outhealing lulu so that isnt the problem
>realize the problem is that im out dpsing both of our dps
>sonya is top dmg
>get called shit healer cause they cant blame themselfs
Diamond is shit
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>>187695861
fucking amazing
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>>187700656
Hots is shit.
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>Play hero league for the mount
>Game matches me with golds
>Quit playing
I'm sure this will help bring more people to ranked.
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>>187701806
They want more people playing rank they need to fix the system and do away with the hidden MMR because that's why it's so shitty all the way up thanks to alt accounts cheesing to higher play.
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>>187701880
Thing is I was plat, now I do my placements and it matches me with golds, meaning I'll be placed in gold, meaning I'll have to climb to get the mount
Just no.
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>>187649798
>Garrosh

We can stay ripped together and help shave each other's heads.
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Someone please explain this to me. Started playing Unranked about 3-4 weeks ago.

Why is in that in Unranked I constantly get matched with Platinum/Diamond players but in QM I get bronze MMR players and my placements this season I got Bronze 2.

I have a much higher winrate in Unranked compared to QM/HL. Should I just focus on keep playing Unranked so my MMR seeds over next season or should I just make a new account?

I know I got placed in Bronze for a reason but it's infuriating when I can go in a win streak in Unranked Draft but have a 51% winrate in Bronze HL.
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>>187702384
Now I get why people call /fit/-anons gay
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>>187701806
I honestly stopped caring about the mount when I got placed in low-tier gold. It's just not worth it, I keep rolling on my bikes.
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>>187702450
QM and Unranked have separate MMR ratings.
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>>187702707
Just do team league and get the mount for being in bronze.
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>>187702707
Same, people who aren't in diamond shouldn't even be playing ranked. Not worth the hassle.
>>
So far I've only been playing quickmatches. In ranked people tend to take it way too serious and get angry too often, which leads to excessive flaming, which kinda ruins the game. Still, I like the mechanic that you know your map beforehand and try to pick and ban the best heroes. What are your experiences with the Unranked draft mode? Since people don't got any ranks to gain or lose, am I right that people there tend to be more chill?
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>>187704043
All game modes are equally toxic. In unranked people troll pick, you have silenced players who play pve the entire game and the occasional premades who never follow the rest of the team.
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>>187704026
>You get the mount by placing the lowest rank in teamleague
N-nani!? Just looked it up and it seems to be true. Got no friends, so I'll look around for a random dude in the chat that feels the same and plays those 10 matches for the mount.
>>
any way way to make gems?
leveling heroes doesn't don't work anymore since game doesn't have enough heroes
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>>187704139
From my experience, there is not much animosity in quickmatch in the matches I've been in and I'm playing at least like two a day. The chat was extremely underused pre 2.0, where I could go through half a dozen matches with people not exchanging a single word. Nowadays there is the occasional spammer/flamer, but I wouldn't say it's predominant. Located in West Europe.
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>>187704290
All my games have swearing Russians.
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>>187702450
Should I just focus on keep playing Unranked so my MMR seeds over next season or should I just make a new account?
play unranked
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>>187704249
>leveling without a stimpack is painfully slow
>the only way to get stimpack is leveling or paying real money
holy... I got this conspiracy theory, where they lowered the leveling speed since the 2.0 launch and the 100% bonus of the stimpack just brings it back to the regular pre-2.0 progression. like when shops put a 20% discount on something after raising the price for 20%, so that they can label it with the big, red "20% OFF!!!" sign and bait people to buy that shit. think about it, this is startling.
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>>187704418
forgot the meme arrow i should kys myself
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>>187702450
51% winrate is exactly the sweet-spot Blizz hopes to hit with every player
Sounds like you're at the perfect rank for you ; ^)
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>>187704449
Except it's mathematically faster, as well as infinite now.

They just want you to stim, senpai.
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>>187704764
Sill feels like shit to slog without Stim
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Someone FaceApp him to be happy now
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>>187704784
This. Past level 5 it's very slow, getting Tychus to 15 was a nightmare. Stim makes leveling 2x faster, without Stim you're 2x slower. Whatever, I got my 600 doritoes, still got some to go until I get the sweet, sweet release of the 30 day stimpack. Can't remember the last day I opened a crate.
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>>187704901
I don't get the buzz around him, the skills are basically Jaina, but she's a skeleton now and instead of slows she binds you. Must be some WoW nostalgia.
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>>187705086
>because they both use frost, their kits are identical.
bone spike and the global ult are fucking fun
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>>187705154
I never checked him out, I don't to to PTR servers, I just say what I saw in the official Blizzard introduction/reveal of his abilities. Not saying it's bad, the design is pretty cool, but people here were waiting for him like the return of Christ.
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>>187705086
well, I guess Ragnaros and Kael'thas are the same character too, they both use fire

>WoW nostalgia
Warcraft 3 nostalgia. WoW KT is shit, like entire WoW while we're at it
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>>187632890
I just noticed that when hammer sieges or unsieges she pops in and out of the tank.... on her in game portrait!
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>>187705706
It's hard for me to overlook that the tank is human sized and she's as big as a fairy.
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>want to have fun with stupid overwatch mobility creep heroes
>think overwatch aesthetics are the ugliest thing to come out of gaming this decade
Warcraft themed skins when?
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>>187705086
>WoW nostalgia
>he doesn't realise half the point of HoTs is wc3 nostalgia with hope for wc4
That said, KT does seem pretty fucking 1 dimensional.

I get that they wanted him to be a big flashy assasin because those always feel the most powerful, but adding some specialist skills would've suited him.

Also
>no dark ritual
>death & decay isn't an ulti
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>>187705906
>want to have fun with stupid overwatch mobility creep heroes
>"I can't believe I met a Starcraft hero! Hey, can I take a selfie!?"
>Genjis horribly overboard Jap. accent in the German version
>Lucio is shitto
Never again.
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>>187705906
blue green oni genji is pretty good.
dva is obnoxious, luckily no one plays her. most boring kit ingame, I think.
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Is there any way to make Valeera viable in a ranked setting? She is fun as fuck, but I know that she is just stealth shitter hero that relies on enemy noticing that she is killing their morales or something. Not to mention you cant push either
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>>187706283
>>187706379
Every OW hero feels obnoxious as fuck desu.

Like the whole idea that they can all attack whilst moving cos they're from an FPS is gay as fuck and every single one of them is annoying because they're gimmick has been ported over to game where everything dies at a fraction of the speed of FPS's.
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Does HotS have the worse reconnect sysyem of any game every created?
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>>187707430
>about 20 minutes in the game, "gg ez no re"
>have to take a phat shit
>come back, game disconnected, don't got any XP
every time
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>>187706650
Just remove stealth, it's a shitty mechanic that will never be decent.
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>>187706650
Just give her fucking damage back. She was perfectly balanced before she got gutted, but QM is king, which is why nova has never not been garbage. The only way to make a stealth hero not get nerfed into the ground is give them zero damage (samuro) or a pure utility ult (zera)
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>>187706650
Not really, anyone that's not blind will just spot your predator vision every time at the levels where people are actually trying and then smoke you.
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>>187707565
>DC mid game
>takes 5mins to get my connection back
>"ok, lets just load back in, hopefully the AI hasn't fucked up my talents"
>loading takes so fucking long that by the time I'm back in the game it's over.
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With all the talks about Leoric and Morales reworks the changes to Chromie and Jaina gets overshadowed. So how are the changes to Chromie and Jaina?
>>187611636
Now all we need is a undead support. So then we can play as team scourge, we already have team orc and team alliance. So we need more
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>>187622381
It's true though.

Garrosh does fuck all damage, he's a straight tank instead of a bruiser and his entire kit pivots around an OP combo.

Of all the iconic warrior abilities they could've given him he has 1 and it's not even a huge part of his kit.

He's a flawed hero because he basically has everything he ever needs from level 1 and so if he had any really strong talents he'd be broken.
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>>187650837
His design and personality is suppose to have all the 7 sins worked into them.
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>>187708560
Chromie basically got a flat buff if you can land Qs. 4 per level for the same amount of damage at 20. Some fun new talents, but nothing gamechanging. And she lost range at 11, which won't make much difference except for padding numbers.

Jaina feels fantastic, might go from one of my least favorite heroes to one of my most. The new talents are both fun, 60s water ele is great, but iceblock baseline really makes her feel like an actual frost mage.
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>>187708560
revive my nigga putress
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>>187707108
Pls do no bully Zarya, and Genji can't attack while moving.
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>>187708745
>he's a straight tank
Nah, that would make him valuable. He has way too few HP and his passive does fuck-all, since most damage comes from abilities anyway.
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>>187709240
His trait gives protection from ability damage as well.
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>>187709240
It reduces all damage though...

They changed the lingo so there's armour, physical armour & magic armour.
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>>187709420
Damn, you're right, just checked it out. Why do I still get my shit shoved in in any lategame matches then? Early game he's extremely good, just throw an enemy into the tower and you get a free kill. But with every level his usefulness seems to drop for me.
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>they've still left nerfed to shit Samuro in the dirt
Did he even deserve the nerf in the first place?
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>>187709675
Fuck yes. At launch he ruined the entire fucking game.
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>>187709601
Because ability damage tends to come in bursts.

If you have 1200 hp and 25% armor, if something hits you for 1000 premitigation, you're going to drop down to 500hp still.
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>>187709601
He's still squish until he's low HP.

You can pull off some clutch shit with that armour boosting talent & bloodthirst.

The talent that reduces bloodthirsts cooldown really needs to be improved though. If you're use it at the best time it's pretty rare you'll get it up again before you die with the talent, so it's fairly useless.
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>>187709675
>>187709719
He truly was a new level of busted back in release, while I don't miss the days when he was busted I feel like he could use some buffs to make him something more then a camp clearing character.
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>>187709838
I always used that Bloodthirst to clear minion waves, it doesn't do all that much against hereos.
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>>187709675
>still the highest winrate ingame because of how braindead easy he is to play
rework when
what a boring hero
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>>187710026
Just like WC3
fantasy nailed
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>>187709961
How is he only a camp clear character? He's literally one of the best gankers in the game.

>>187709997
It heals you for about 1/3 of your HP if you use it when you're nearly dead, which is also when you're hardest to kill.

If you take talents that reduce enemy damage as well you have a lot of situations where people are trying so hard to kill you but they just can't manage it between 50% damage reduction on Garrosh, 60% reduced damage dealt on them, and his self heal.
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>>187606920
I am the Russian.
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>>187686679
>no dick
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>>187711250
Privet tavarish.
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>>187693451
It was the opposite when silenced players were permitted into ranked. Always the best players on team.
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>>187693505
>Uther, Jaina, Tracer, D.va would probably only be the other tolerable humans. Pandas would be tolerable depending on how much you're okay with the house smelling like alcohol 100% of the time
>Tracer
>D.va

Holy fuck kill yourself please. What faggots have infested this thread
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>>187711315
oh fuck off
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>>187711168
>He's literally one of the best gankers in the game.
Gankers have CC or burst damage. Nova is a "good" ganker because of snipe + one in the chamber + pinning shot and being able to be *partially* hidden. Thrall is a good ganker because of wolf + windfury burst. Butcher is a good ganker because of charge + furnaceblast/rapecage. Valeera is a good ganker because of her cc and burst.

Samuro does not provide burst or CC, he is literally just sustained damage, and it's actually rather low. At level 10 he needs to aa for ~3.2 seconds to barely 900 damage. Without providing *any* cc and having no sustain.

Nova does the same thing with just a snipe and an AA. And does more if you pinning shot and then perform a second aa.
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>>187704901
Should be still sad because they turned him from a badass death skeleton lich into a down's syndrome retard
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>>187649798
Damn, should play more with LiLi, now i'm stuck with slug and probably will get mutated to Zerg queen (male).
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>body check's damage in increased by TWO HUNDRED PERCENT of your armour bonus!
>the max armour you can ever have is 75, with the active bonus
>the max damage increase you will ever get out of this ability is 150...
>it's shit
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>>187711787
oh, my bad, got confused and thought you meant garrosh lol
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>how butcher players image themselves
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>>187690695
And the downside is....?
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why can't us eurocucks get the update already
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>>187714789
which update? its due next week, aren't you a bit early?
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>>187707108
The problem is that none of them are characters. Starcraft, warcraft and diablo are all games, with their own mechanics, stories, characters and tone. Then they took those characters and spells and altered them for this game. Overwatch is made from the ground as a moba style game game and as a result the characters aren't actually characters, they're just gimmicks, and when you alter them you have to hold onto their gimmicks or there would be nothing left of them. And since their gimmicks and game play is meant for a fps it just doesn't work.
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>>187643250
Fuck X can also mean you simply don't respect X and want that shit outta your face
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>>187686679
>1095x1920 px
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>>187714931
I don't know about KelThuzad, I just want the Chromie, Jaina and Morales reworks, aren't they due this week?
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>>187649798
>Rehgar
>"FIGHT ME"
I don't think I'd win, otherwise he seems pretty bro, to avoid suspicious that I may be harboring an alien I could always have him shapeshift and say he's my very large dog I spray painted blue because I'm a dick.
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>>187715275
no?
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>>187649798
Cho('Gall?)
What does he even do in the Lore?
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>>187715823
>What does he even do in the Lore?
He's a cult leader and the right hand man of an Old God.
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How does my Rehgar build look? This is what I usually go for.

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/rehgar#gn5g

I also like the idea of this build, could be good with like Johanna, ETC or Illidan on the team:

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/rehgar#kzv5
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>>187715823
he's a pretty important character of the whole Warcraft thing
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>only need like 5 more wins to make GM for the season
>shit my pants everytime I get into games like this

FUCK
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>>187716943
>wolf talents
No
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does KT have shadow fissure?
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>>187717740
CDR is good tho
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>>187716943
or, you know, stop trying to be special and build for what isn't actually bad
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What was with that Mauradin promo video trying to make him look like an "ass kicker" when his defining gameplay trait is being a pussy who's super safe and can always run away?
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>>187649798
lately i play a lot of abathur because i just half-afk on QM
so i have an sleeping guy who spawns insects into enemy territory?
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>>187718674
>not jumping over the wall to stun that pesky KT hiding
You're the pussy.
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>>187718473
>/bronzeg/ doesn't take cleanse
sasuga
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>>187715823
Was the first Ogre Magi. Was Gul'dan's apprentice. Was the Chieftain of the Twilight's Hammer when it was an orc tribe. After WC2 he reformed the Twilight's Hammer as a cult following the Old Gods. Became the right hand of C'thun.
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>>187719472
I take cleanse when I need it andI don't always need it and I'm not pro enough to use it for minor or really short CC.
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>>187719679
Healing totem is better.

CDR sounds good but Rehgar already has mana issues, so if you feel like you need CDR to keep people alive then you've already lost the fight because you are playing wrong.
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>>187720087
imagine trying to give talent advice when you don't even play the hero enough to know which talents are in which tier
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>>187719679
cleanse is fucking OP and learning to use it is one of the easiest ways to improve dramatically and there is virtually never a game where an enemy has literally no CC, even if it's just one stun, one root, cleanse is extremely powerful
precleanse for example is super useful and may seem hard, but it's actually really easy - just look at the screen and know when the opponent throws their CC, especially if it's with a decently long wind-up animation (like mura's stun), think "when would I stun" and just throw out your cleanse.
or if that's too much as a start, just cleanse every time your dive assassin (greymane, genji, malth, etc.) goes in - the enemy WILL throw their CCs at him in panic
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>tfw literally threw the game unintentionally by not going to enemy's 24% core and splitpushing enemy catapult lane during a friendly curse

just kill me
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>>187709601
Maybe you're picking the wrong talents. Maybe you should pick bodycheck with reduced healing + D boost instead of Q quest + AA reduction if their prime dmg source is a mage like kt or guldan+another squishy like Valla. Don't pick the W upgrade (CDR) at 4 if most of the enemy team has ranged. Garrosh has actually three different builds and ultis that match the three of them. All his builds aren't equally good but they adapt to a different situation each so they're all viable and make him OP in every scenario. Garrosh is one of the rare heroes to have flexibility and not rigid talent choices so make use of it instead of picking all talents based on icy veins or something. Just adapt and win, Garrosh is really secretly op regardless of his q>e meme combo.
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>>187720653
Learn from your mistake and do it better next time!
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>>187720157
Oh sorry

The wolf regen is even worse, didn't even pass my mind because its such a trash talent.
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>>187693056
Hey, I wanted to push mid.

They pinged the shit out of me to follow them top so I obliged. Thankfully they never went top again after that.
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I still have Greymane, Gul'dan and Alarak on lvl 1 from the assassin pack from 2.0 release. Don't know how to play with them
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>>187715784
oh
that's a bummer
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>>187721527
>Alarak
Land Qs, poke with lightning, don't go E or lightning builds.

>Gul'dan
Horrify sends people away from the center of the cast point.

>Greymane
I dunno.
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>>187721527
GM braindead build is all flask and then just lob that shit like no tomorrow and enjoy top damage
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>>187711694
she just plays fucking video games
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>>187721271
Wolf regen is actually pretty nice, it allows you to roam a lot with zero downtime.
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>>187649798
Abathur. Room full of locusts. But at least I get a cool hat.
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>>187724426
I wonder if Abathur can alter my DNA to give me a giant cock
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>>187725035
YOU. IMPROVED.
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Jaina and Dreadlord Jaina aggressively scissoring.
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>>187694728
>>187695605
I was talking about Xul with the necrophilia shit. I don't think Arthas or Sylv would be much better though.
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>>187721527
>greymane
go Q build
pretend to be raynor but also spam Q
if you see someone low enough for you to murder, E->Q->rightclick is ~50% of a squishy's hp so just go in and kill them
cursed bullet is % damage so it's great against tanks but it's also great against everyone else. you can do about 100% of a falstad's hp just by hitting with each of your 4 damage abilities once and contributing a werewolf rightclick or two

>guldan
dont lifedrain in teamfights unless you desperately need it to not die, only use it for minions or 1v1 situations
stay with your team's healbot forever because despite having loads of self-heals guldan is actually one of the most support-dependent assassins in the game if he wants to do his full dps
spam q every 1.5 seconds on any minion or hero in range of you (minions especially; you have very strong waveclear)
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>>187694728
>>187695605
https://youtu.be/oOpcMmXAhEo?t=49
also forgot to show a good representation of how fuckoff huge the protoss are
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>>187708858
Speaking of which, what's a realistic estimate to finish her ice block quest? Is it worth vomiting all your mana early game to get it asap?
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>>187709997
it does an autoattack or so worth of damage
not crazy high but it contributes something, especially if you're trying to burst someone down fast after you threw them into your team

also the self-healing is still valuable, and is halved against minions
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>>187712158
>the max damage increase you will ever get out of this ability is 150
iirc the wording is fucked up. rather than 150 flat bonus damage, you are gaining 150% of the base bodycheck damage
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>>187718674
the original hots hero spotlights even showed supports oneshotting people with their shitty 0damage abilities
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>>187693958
In addition to what other people said there's also a distinct lack of super hard counters (e.g. Dota, like playing Medusa against Anti-Mage or Pugna against Nyx) and the game tends to force actual PvP a lot, meaning you get to have fun fighting people instead of farming or sitting in your base so you don't die. Also the game's not as snowbally but still lets you press your advantage while ahead, so you don't get scenarios where the enemy team is just hopelessly powerful unless your teammates or draft actually suck that bad.
Also compared to Dota specifically, this game has a minimum execution floor of Super Mario Bros. as opposed to Farmville.
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>>187719679
every cc in this game is minor and really short though
even lamb only lasts 3 seconds
if you wanna git gud you gotta learn2cleanse
or jus wait for blizz to remove it from the three heroes who still have it lmao
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>>187726162
Is Q build the only build for Greymane? Because I want to empower the werewolf aspect of Greymane not the human
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>>187726942
Basically, yes. Also you will spend most of your time in human form hurting their backline with flasks, wolf form is only used when you can get the kill easily and disengage to safety.
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>>187649798
>Tychus

We're hitting up the bar probably every night.
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>>187726942
q build is the only meta build

you spend 90% of your time in human form. the werewolf is just for finishing off low-hp targets or for pve.
although note that if you're splitpushing or some shit it's safer to be in wolf form so you have access to swipe->disengage as an escape if you get ganked

if you really can't hit your Q at all then you can do something like wolfheart->eyes in the dark->quicksilver/wizened, but you'd probably be better off just going q build anyways and getting practice with it so you'll be better next time
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>>187727114
Is that so? Because I was always under the impression that Greymanes talent choices allowed him to pick play style. Either you hurt them as worgen only to kill them as human or you hurt them as human only to kill them as worgen.
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>>187726942
nah the worgen build is viable as well but it's much harder to play
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>>187727359
The meta and I don't see eye to eye
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>>187726226
Protoss are 2.7-3.0 meters tall, which translates to about 8-9ft. They're bigger than warcraft orcs (about 8ft tall) and elves (about 7ft), about equally sized to male jungle trolls, but still smaller than male tauren(10.5-11ft tall), forest trolls(11-12ft tall) and almost any proper adult sized ogre (runt's are 6ft at adult hood, average is 8-9ft to 11-12ft for the average warrior, chieftains are about 15ft but truly special ones are 20-25+ ft. they never stop growing).
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>>187727520
the burst from flask build is shockingly strong
You can even kill (or bully to base at least) a good number of bruisers and tanky heroes with cursed bullet -> Q into creeps/other target -> E -> Q -> W if you expect to be able to hit them for several seconds straight. Squishies will outright die if you have Q quest done.
Here's a quick talent chart that's safe as fuck in 90% of games: https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/greymane#lOlh
Here's a good in-depth guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7THgrqvi0I

Just one little note about talents: Greymane cannot proc his own executioner, so if your allies have no slows, stuns, or roots with any significant uptime, get the Giant Killer (Alpha Killer) talent at 16 instead.
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and pick eager wolf on boe
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>>187726942
Not really, but other builds are more niche. If stacking is going to be exceptionally hard sometimes people go flask damage at 7 in favor of taking range or even *much* more rarely the stacking damage increase. Range plus blunderbuss at 20 is pretty nuts.

Also fun fact if you were to pick a hero that got all of their nonheroic talents, greymane would easily be the most absurd.
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>>187721527
how works Alarak sadism?
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>>187728434
good point, it's actually really fucking good DPS (40% attack speed is always good, especially on top of a 50% that you already get), and the only real downside to it is that you have to keep W up for a long time or else it's literally useless, contrast to executioner where it can proc instantly and is useful regardless of whether your W deactivated or not
that downside is a moot point on PoE for obvious reasons and lets you do fed Butcher/Amateur Opponent Artanis levels of DPS to the immortals if not more.
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>>187728558
sorry friend but youre wrong
most absurd would be murky
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>>187728758
How wrote on tooltip
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>>187728808
>pick a hero.
Sorry anon, but murky isn't a hero.
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>>187728808
>level 1: Inner beast cooldown + uptime, refreshes off of abilities, cocktail range + mana
>level 4: worgen armor, human stealth, inner beast gives 10 mana per hit, cocktail explosion range.
>level 7: +1.1 aa range, cocktail stacking, extra aa damage for kills w/o deaths
>level 13: darkflight + disengage range buffed by 35%, razor swipe +60% range -1s cd for each basic aa, +30% movespeed for keeping inner beast up for >4s
>level 16: 40% aspd buff on inner beast after 3s, 3% giantkiller in worgen, bonus damage for ally slows
>level 20: Human aa's turned into cocktails, worgen aa's turned into cleaves

I mean shit, maybe something like illidan gets retarded, but that's pretty hard to compete with.
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>>187728758
Sadism is bonus damage to heroes. His abilities all do really low damage because that's how hard they hit things that aren't heroes, so by default he does 2x damage to heroes. Killing a hero gets you 3% bonus sadism, stacking up to 30%. This is lost if you die. Some talents decrease his sadism permanently. So without reduction and 10 hero kills, you deal 15% more damage than you normally would to heroes.
All his 13 talents give him another way to gain sadism. Rite of Rak'Shir (purple) is the only one of these that stacks indefinitely. You mark someone, and hitting Q on that target gives you 3% sadism. If that person dies, you gain 5% (in addition to the normal kill sadism), and the mark disappears. Rite's cooldown then drops to 10 seconds (cooldown is normally 300, or 5 minutes). So basically, you rite someone that you're going to be hitting Q on a lot (their frontline/tank) and Q them as much as possible, or you rite someone who's gonna die for sure.

>>187728558
>>187728808
Alarak is fucking ridiculous too on that note, his tiers all have enormous synergy with themselves and each other and he can just stack sadism on everything and get CDR from everything while perma-disabling you, shitting damage in your face, and self-healing constantly. He doesn't even need his 10 or 20 at all and he'd still be OP as shit.
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>bhb
>someone wants to "def turn in" instead of beating enemy to coins to begin with
>double digit deaths
Every time
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>>187728558
Imagine garrosh. He would reduce all enemy team to shit basically turning into an unkillable shrinking ray that hard cc's your ass, throws niggers at you to finish you off and can 1vs2 every hero in game with the exception of malthael maybe.
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first picked illidan on BoE and dumb fuck from team started qqing about how their team of artanis, butcher, varian, muradin & malf counter me. lol. i asked to ban arthas before i first picked & the fucking tard who does bans banned valla instea.d what the actual fuck?

anyway. we were roflstomping the game, on 1st immortal almost destroyed their top keep. then shit started cause of the fucktard who plays tassadar (he was the guy who QQed in draft) 3 times died to a gank. on fucking tassadar
then our lunara died because "xD didnt see i have only one leap"

and we ofc had a stupid fuck in team with sindragosa and D on lvl 1. holy fuck if you build like that your parents should have drowned you in a sewer. if you actually think sindragosa is legit you should be seriously killed

anyway we won a fight, by that time the top keep was already destroyed and there we went core. our dumb fuck on uther types "we cant go core as 3", but we actually can its just that this stupid fuck on lunara went to depush creeps assaulting our towers omg !!!

we do core just fine without lunara & enemy is respawning their core is already 10% so we kill it win the game and i wish cancer upon my teammates in chat. because they deserve it. they really do.

there is no fucking excuse for thes ppl to be this bad. if u actually play this game significantly often like thes lvl 600+ fucks and you are under diamond then congrats you are a subhuman
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>>187730985
didn't read a single word cry more
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do you get ranked rewards based on your current rank or the best rank you got during the season?
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Holy shit new Morales looks like dogshit
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>>187731187
best rank
if you do placements asap as soon as the season starts you can get a grandmaster portrait before the actual goodplayers arrive to take the rank back from you
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>>187731187
Based on max rank, but it's nothing. Max 5k gold.
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>>187729654
Kharazim would be pretty retarded.
Cassia also gets stupid strong.
Tyrande becomes basically unkillable in 1v1's.
Artanis gets to do big dick things all the time.
Zarya becomes better than tassadar at things.
Rexxar laughs heartily at the thought of you ever catching misha or killing him.

Kerrigan actually ends up being useful.
Malthael has a talent synergy overload
Lucio turns into gigahealer.

>>187730942
Eh, not that amazing compared to some things out there. Stitches or Muradin for example turn into a absolute fucking monsters.
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>>187730985
Hi are you the same nigger that posted this and are also the famous reddit feeder that thinks his team doesn't deserve to win when they do dumb stuff?
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>>187731540
I think people underestimate Garrosh and his kit isn't all that sexy and doesn't sound that good on paper except for the meme throw but he actually has very good talents and utility and if the dmg reduction was somehow calculated he would have much bigger numbers than supports like Tass or medivh in dmg reduction.
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>>187731737
>>187731737
NEW THREAD
>>187731737
>>187731737
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>>187732320
his Q build is fucking disgusting especially against autoattackers
also shields at low HP on him are always fucking gross except against dedicated anti-shield talents like Varian
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>>187732476
Except it doesn't work, Varian has anti shield ability not anti armor.
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>>187734280
shattering throw's passive breaks even with the armor at bare minimum (and his shield talent is on the same tier as the armor buff so it's no contest)
shattering throw's active does 1400 damage to shields BASELINE (level 0), so no shield survives that shit
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>>187649798
>Butcher
once lived with a dude that roided out the gills and would aggressively fly off the handle many times a day. He never put a finger on me or anyone else though.

I don't know I think this would be worse. At least now I can save money by buying the whole cow and letting him portion it
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