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Old Thread >>184280197
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Don't forget to vote for how you'd rate the expansion, if you already haven't.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13573329
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>Open 10 wd packs after waiting for private lobby matches over 3 hours
>no spawns or snow whites for free dust

reeeeeeeeeeee
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>>184306568
>dust
You have to go back.
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Luna is back bois
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I wish Aegis wouldn't exist, making Nep obsolete.
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Why the fuck are they nerfing ouroboros but not nerfing eachtar? Are they stupid or something?
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Why are you playing a dead game?
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/ourguy/
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Haven has
>best early removal
(not every class can kill 3hp follower with 2pp card, haven can BANISH it)
>best midgame removal
(just themis bro)
>Amulets with countdown that has barely no counter-play
(removing them causes to pop earlier, and the usually cost so low that banishing them is not worth it)
>LITERALLY UBEATABLE CARD
(Aegis should be nerfed for game sake)
>really great midgame followers (Dark jeanne, Cudgel even ancient lion)

Haven is literally 1 step away from becoming most dominant craft with ~70% winrate, cygames are not seeing big picture, were going to be in some deep shit when more haven cards are going to be printed.

Dont listen to people screaming DRAGON OP, NEED NERF or SHADOW IS GONNA BE TIER 1, EACTAR NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, those are all filthy haven mains.
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>>184320314
Ouroboros makes games longer, Eachtar does the opposite
Please think of Nakata-san
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KOUSHIN SEYO
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>>184320723
>4pp 2/3 that summons goblin
Lol no, literally everyone will have a way to deal with it by turn 4/5.
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Friendly reminder that it's your duty to spam dshift and make games as long as possible for jap salarymen.
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>>184320797
>only haven has 2PP removal
Epic
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Why would you guys want to nerf Alice though? Isn't it a bit overkill? No other neutralcraft other than Nblood is relevant. Gob Leader and Tove are dead so I doubt blood will still play neutrals when their class cards are now better. Killing Alice will kill the only decent sword deck in the game.
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I'll miss playing these, it was fun for me
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>>184320464
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Reminder that cat is still exactly the same shit. Reminder that both alice and actress got ignored and they are still busted as all fuck. Reminder that tove is the only meaningfull lose and he's easy to replace
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>>184320946
They are morons playing shitty decks who think they should have the right to win after basically skipping the first 3 turns
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>tfw no nerfs
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>>184320314
because dragon has more good cards like oro to use, but shadow only has eachtar
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>>184321008
What's funny is that mathmatically, an angelic warrior does the same amount of damage as goblin leader.
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>>184320797
Haven definitely has the potential to be some really disgusting cancer in this patch. The biggest apparent threat right now is shadow, which haven can easily stomp in their current condition

Snow white is far from being bad, and teatime is one of the most broken cards in the game
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>>184321069
THIS HEAD
>opponent emotes what?!
CANNOT BE
>opponent dc
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One month until leaks.
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>>184321008
leader is the worst loss by far for cat, and replacing it will bring down the deck a fair bit
that said the deck still looks very decent
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>>184321008
Alice and Feria are balanced
>Reminder that tove is the only meaningfull lose and he's easy to replace
No he's not, tove was the best 2 drop in the game along with dogfucker
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Prediction for next month's meta?
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>>184321271
TotG 2: Electric boogaloo
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>>184321271
>rob pre-nerf
>good
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>>184321164
The only point of playing leader was for the DREAM of having two buffed goblins on the field. It almost never happened because gobbo can be traded easily and you had him more than one turn the opponent bricked and you were going to win regardless.
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YOUUUU KILLED MEEEEEEEE
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>Rapunzel instead of leader
Same shit. Enjoy 123 Alice for another month
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>>184321271
>post nerf RoB is meh
>pre nerf RoB is good
It's literally the opposite. Geez, I wonder who could be behind this post.
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>>184321403
dumb horse
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>>184321069
>wanted to get 3 animated eachtars
>was afraid he was going to get nerfed
>he didn't get any nerfs
Guess this head can't be taken, huh?
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>>184321403
>standard 2 drop
>has optional rush if played with a neutral
Only things better than it are Lyrial and Feria
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>>184321405
>Rapunzel
Maybe. I don't like her that much but I have three of her. I'll try it.
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>>184321405
rapunzel sucks fat dicks if you don't specifically play rush or storm support
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>>184321265
Feria should only give 1 attack or 1 toughness, not both.
Alice should buff either hand or board, but not both.
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>>184321175
CANNOT BE
>THERE NO ONE ELSE I'D RATHER LOSE TO
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>>184321403
You totally deserved it, you asshole.
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Rapunzel is very high roll dependent. She's amazing if you get it, but just awful and trash when you don't.
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>>184321492
It's a neutral synergy card that doesn't get buffed by Alice/Feria and can only trade into 1 drops without dying, there's no point in playing him now
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>>184321539
Feria uses an evolve point so her power is balanced. Alice is debatable, we have to see how the goblin leader nerf goes.
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>>184321008
>can no longer be tutored by baphomet
It's an indirect nerf, bub.
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>>184321492
if we're talking about cat (which is the only neutral deck blood is going to play anymore) tove pollutes the pool of things bapho can tutor so it's not worth it. replacing it with a neutral follower has the advantage of doing the opposite, and you don't have enemy's toves or snow whites anymore to contest your 2 drop
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>>184321672
>tfw baphomet can tutor itself
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>>184321405
>>184321501
>they kill your 2-drop
>you drop alice but cannot attack with either
Nice follower.
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Goodnight sweet prince...
May you find peace with Maelstrom, Azazel, Aurelia and Otomeme
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>>184306360
>Hey guys, we can just reduce spawns attack so he can't be fetched and maybe reduce his effect damage leaving him in range with comparative power play cards. Ooooooooor we can just blow out every blood deck that used baph, including fucking snakes
>Hey guys, everything has horrifically strong win cons. You know what really needs to go? Grimnir. Fuck off JO, deck variety is for fags we only want 3 deck metas that change every 3 months
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>go 1st
>drop rapunzel on curve
>enemy kills your 2 drop
>drop alice
Congratz! you have 3/6 that can't attack!
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>>184321672
Baphomet nerf was really hard imo. Ruined every other blood deck because of bullshit like spawn.
They should've just removed his enhance.
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>>184321570
that's a weird looking dog
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I'm going full shadownigger to pollute the ranks to increase shadow whining so eachtar gets nerfed at end august.
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>>184321732
bonus gacha time!!
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>>184321781
Grimnir's nerf is exactly what I expected it would be. He is still a strong card for control but now aggro won't use him anymore.
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>>184321854
t. bloodfaggot
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>dragon premade now comes with free eactar/aegis
Noice
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>>184321781
>JO
The death of one shitty deck is worth it to not suffer back to back grimnirs on turn 6 from all the other dragon decks.
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Is there literally any reason to run Spawn in any deck now?
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>>184321781
;_;
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Wallet Rune is pretty funny IF you can pull it off without dying to mindless aggro.
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>>184321976
You know it's still going to happen because it's a solid control tool that can be followed by one of the other bullshit options dragon has.
Or it can just clear the road for bahamu.
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>>184321781
you want blood to end up like those treefucker and never get decent thing for 3 or more expansion?
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>>184322139
>he thinks this game is going to last another three expansions

o i am laffin'
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>>184321781
What even is the definition of a JO deck?
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>>184321781
>Hey guys Ouro is fucking OP, it drags the game
>but neutral shit makes game over by 6
>LET'S NERF OUROBOROS
I'd agree Ouro getting nerfed if meta is slow and it drags the game, but dragon has rarely the time to drop ouro with current meta.

Eachtar needs nerf in order for sword and forest to be playable.
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>>184321781
>Unironically defending Grimnir
Fuck off, this nerf was long overdue
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>>184321732
tutoring a tutor isn't that bad, you're still filtering the rest of your deck
>>184321806
for sure it outright killed other archetypes, however cat was already beginning to give up bkb for profiting on cat more, so post nerf bapho stays in line with the strategy
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>>184322180
Putting JO amulets and blasting face
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>>184321271
>if I don't like it, it's bad/meh
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>>184322268
http://steamcharts.com/app/453480#All

:^)

i cannot wait for next week, since we'll start seeing the old guard of the game start quiting, especially since these nerfs are absolutely fucking awful.
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>>184321172
>teatime
>broken
D0?
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>>184322268
It is based on overall player count of the game and average playrate of each class, hence the objectivity.
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>Alice untouched
neutralcancer will be as strong as ever
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>>184322091
At least it won't give them 12 free damage anymore
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>>184321781
eat shit grimnirfucker
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>>184322352
>nerfing the face of the expansion
That's like admitting they fucked up with the entire expansion
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Falise is cute and I want to try her out. What's a neutral rune deck look like?
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Hello, I'm from the future.
Tier 1
Ramp Dragon
Storm Haven
Aegis Haven
Nsword
Dirt Rune
Dreadshift
Midshadow
Vengeance/Midrange Blood

This will be the best meta since DE. Remember, you heard it here first.
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>>184322352
>Implying Alice is the problem
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>Snow White, a balanced card nerfed for literally zero reason (SEVEN PERCENT PLAYRATE HOLY SHIT)
>Baphomet completely destroyed as a card, destroying other blood decks instead of just removing the enhance
>Alice completely untouched, thereby ensuring that neutral cancer lives on
>Eachtar completely untouched after it's biggest checks were nerfed, thereby ensuring that the next month is dominated by midshadow because KMR has a huge boner for Eachtar
This game is dead
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>>184322467
but she is a guy.
el psy congroo
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>>184322513
>>Snow White, a balanced card
Stopped reading right there
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>>184322513
>Snow White, a balanced card
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>>184322513
but dude

cygames said its only blood who has the advantage going first

just because literally any other craft can use the same neutral engine as they do (barring tove) doesn't mean they win going first too :^)
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>>184322513
>Snow White, a balanced card
Not this shit again, hagfag
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>>184322510
>implying buffing both hand and board while retaining full stats on curve isn't busted as fuck
>>184322449
but they did, neutralcraft was a fucking mistake
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>>184322501
ramp dragon aka neutral legendary the deck is cancer though
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>>184322563
>>184322565
>>184322596
>WAAAAAAH A LEGO CAN GO 1 FOR 2
>*plays levi*
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>>184322513
Snow White is as bad as tove
Even worse, because she fucks dogs
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>>184322676
>what's a 2drop
explain how can levi go 1 for 2 on the second turn retard
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>>184322676
Crimson sorcery needs a nerf too tbqh.

>Crimson sorcery
>1PP spell
>deal 3 damage to an enemy
vs
>Thorn burst
>2PP spell
>deal 3 damage to an enemy
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>>184322553
It's okay, she can take it up the butt. Now give me a dicklist.
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>>184322596
>>184322563
>>184322565
it is though, weve all known for a while that cygames is retarded
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>>184322727
>defends le old man 2-drop of full evo stats and 3-for-1s
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>wake up in the morning
>dragon is dead

what the FUCK dragon bros?
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>>184322772
>Turn 3
>you have nothing on board while haven has a 2/1 snow white and 2/4 ward doggo on board
>balanced
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>>184322676
Levi requires an evo point and people till this day still complain that Levi is OP.
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I already seen how retarded Havenfags in previous thread.
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>>184322863
grimnir
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>>184322879
Levi is balanced. Crimson sorcery is not. See >>184322750
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>>184322806
if you're going to evade the point do so in a less retarded way
what part of snow white being a 2drop too strong you don't understand
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>>184322903
kill yourself ESL shadownigger
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>>184321781
I just took 12 damage from 3 grimnir topdecks one after the other so fuck you and your cristal
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>hag shitters still this much assblasted

jesus christ you are worse than dragoncucks and shadowniggers combined
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>>184322920
>Had plays snow white
>You play Grimnir
>Next turn hag has a 2/4 ward doggo and a prayer and your grimnir is gone.
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Sleep well sweet princess.
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>>184322863
just drop grimnir bro
just drop tsundemon bro
just kill it with any 2-drop and then remove it with a spell bro
>>184322950
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAH IT GOES TWO-FOR-ONE HAVEN IS TOO STRONK GUISE JUST IGNORE SHADOW PLZ
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If they nerf Haven in order to counter the nerf of Dragon in order to counter the nerf of Blood won't Sword become too strong?
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>people think Snow white will still be worth a shit when she lost her ability to stay on board after a good trade
LOL
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>>184323013
t.shadownigger
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>>184322949
He isn't balanced for the fact he gave you Crimson Sorcery.
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>>184323053
uhh nerf forest?
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>>184323064
Just Zoe bro
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>>184322863
OH NO WHATSOEVER WILL MY 2/3 GOBLINS AND 3/3 UNICAS DO AGAINST SUCH AN OPPRESSIVE BOARD

I CAN'T BELIEVE HE PLAYED SUCH A STRONG 2/1 AND 2/4 WARD IN NEUTRALVERSE I CAN'T WIN NOW!
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>>184322180
The hard version is no-followers spell and pendant
A pendant list is basically control dragon that wins with Grimnir, earthshock ogre, and ouroboros burn
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>>184322920
>>184323031
Funny you guys mention Grimnir. Snow white can actually trade into Grimnir, kill it and surive herself. And then she drop the doggo + prayer. Now her board is a 2/1 snow white, 2/4 doggo with ward, and an amulet that can give her 2 cards 3 turns later, while you have nothing on the board.
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>hagfag throwing a tantrum
>again
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>>184323064
She can still set up a hound, and you can treat her like a psuedo zombie party/shield of fire/etc.
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>>184323074

i play haven control aegis but nice try you fucking manchild but if thanks to that you can sleep in night then i'm shadownigger

i'm just disgusted that shitters like you playing the same deck as me
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>>184322467
Like this.
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>>184323023
I love you princess
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>>184323153
Yes, it's a legendary card. That's fine.
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>mediocre crafts get punished
>shadow gets off the hook despite having all the bullshit cards possible

oh lawd nice pedo promoter game shadowbbs
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>>184323090
Then don't nerf Levi, just nerf Crimson Sorcery. In fact, a spell that can burn face for 3 damage should be at least 2PP anyway.
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>>184323153
Just BKB bro
Just Cudgel bro
Just Teena bro
Just Siegfried bro
Just Playful Necromancer bro
Just Levi bro
Just Floral bro
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>>184323064
She still can trade into a 2/1, then a 1/2 and survive. But vengeance Blood may still not see play after nerfs.
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>>184323231
this is trash
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Dragon was the worst craft in RoB and we get so many great things in ToG and they take them all away. LB enhance, zell, grimnir face damage, ouro heals. While shadow only gets catacomb and reaper nerfed. SHADOW WAS BETTER THAN DRAGON IN ToG, HOW DO WE GET NERFED MORE?!?!
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>>184323207
t.shadownigger
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>>184323240
They already took Reaper during the last nerf set.
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>>184323231
We don't care about your meme decks, discord.
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>snow white gets 1hp reduction on her evolved form, the smallest nerf out of all the 7 cards nerfed
>faggots crying foul
Seriously?
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>>184323274
sibyl?
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>>184323361
It makes her completely useless
>legendary 2/2
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>>184323274
>Dragon doesn't cares about other craft except shadow
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>snow white trading 2 on 1

wow what a broken fucking card it good thing now it can only trade into a 2 drop and dies but i guess thats a a legendary for you huh, wait what ? a 2pp that deal 3 face damage and gain full evo? a 2pp that destroy evolved enemy follower on fanfare? well shit how about a 2pp that literally wins you the game?


so much for a legendary 2pp 2/2 huh?
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>>184323361
Would be fine if they also made her cost 1 pp.
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>>184323253
>don't nerf this broken card
>just nerf this other card and ruin Disaster Witch alongside Levi
Fucking Runetards.
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>Dragon
>One of the worst classes this expansion
>Gets one of its legendaries nerfed out of fucking nowhere
Absolute bullshit
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>>184323164
Haven players have always been the worst craft players
Even the streamers that main Haven are insufferable passive-aggressive cunts
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>>184323274
>shadow was better
but it wasnt, it just had more play rate
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>>184323361
Hagfags are the new shadowniggers. They even complain about the possibility of a mechanic change where character that is not damaged cannot be healed.
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>>184323516
Wrong shadownigger
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>>184323512
t.shadownigger
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>>184323361
Just look at their winrates. /svg/ hags are true cancer. They ruined thousand generals with falseflaging and "shadownigger" posting.
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>These spawn nerfs means Seraph can make a comeback

Let the chemo begin.
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>>184323274
>dragon was the worst craft in rob
Kys
it was kept in check by nep but was good netherless
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Snow White is literally free vials, what the fuck are you running it for when Mainyu is strictly better at this point.

>muh doggo

good luck drawing both in your opening hand consistently
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>>184323274
Ramp Dragon was the highest win rate deck after ToG nerfs. It only didn't receive another nerf because "it has a low play rate at the same time, which is fine for a tier 1 deck".
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this is my wife rapunzel
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>>184323539
You do realize you're only proving my point, yes?
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>>184323479
Cygames wants to revive Rowenmemes. Dragon must die for that to happen.
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>>184323361
Because the card goes from being removal on a body to just removal, in a craft that is already drowning in removal. It's not worth the cost to make it.
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>>184322208
Add more competitive healing, more resistant bodies and resistant multiwards so there's actual defensive play that isn't rolled over by fucking F O U R damage instead

>>184323064
She's still removal resistant boost target for Elana, she sets up hound, and she still takes out all but 1/4, 4/4 3 drops
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>>184323570
>dragon
>good in RoB
Go fuck yourself, dragon has been shit in every meta besides standard and tempest.
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So August nerf is going to be Sibyl and Aegis?
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>>184323527
>This fucking retard pushing his idiotic idea again because he can't deal with one mediocre deck type
Uninstall the game.
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>Cygames completely killed Cblood and Spawn
>Bloodfags don't cry
Meanwhile Haven trying to justify broken bullshit
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>Characters that are undamaged cannot be healed

There, expansion is perfect.
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>So many players are going to be vialing their snow whites
>they'll then realize the mistake they made and quit

lovin' every laugh
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According to nips they nerfed dragon due to swordbab complaint.

Reminder to play midshadow and burn rune after the nerf and rape all swordbabs in sight.
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tfw you are a better wizard
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>>184323647
ramp dragon took a giant shit on daria
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>>184323682
nerf elana 5 pp?????
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Pre nerf Snow White is just a perfect card, add a little or change a little will make her truly broken or can make her utterly useless
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>>184323686
>they'll then realize the mistake they made and just create her again
???
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>>184323710
Nah, that was literally all /svg/ memeing about saha ramp after the single tourney it did anything.
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>>184323676
There is literally no reason to go against such a change because Elana will still be perfect against aggro.
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>>184323703
well sword cant deal with boros
thats a fact
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>>184323774
nerf yurius??
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>>184323703
Sword can't even reach 8pp to tech odin since any "control" fucking die to neutral shit and shadow shit.

Dragon is just a bad match up for sword, but damn those niggers should have whine about eachtar since it destroys sword's board easy and no mass removal to contest the board.
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>>184323274
t6 bahamut is better that kektar

>>184323680
I've sent them a bunch of comments telling them how fucking retarded they are.

>>184323703
You had to be a retarded storm nigger to be mad at ouro. Wide just boosted and blew out the health. csword was able to face tank.
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>>184323703
>Reminder to play midshadow and burn rune after the nerf and rape all swordbabs in sight.

Reporting for duty.
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>>184323774
How about the fact that it's completely unnecessary because Elana isn't that strong to begin with and makes the deck useless against every other deck type? Seriously, stop coming to these threads, it's embarrassing.
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>Grimnir nerfed
REEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>184323703
This is a pretty nice strawman
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Im haven and will probably keep playing snow white just as more removal until seraph or aegis.
And the eventual dog enable.
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>>184323819
>Whataboutism in my /svg/

Seriously hagfag go fuck yourself.
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>>184323625
>unironically defending the best card in the game
wew
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please concede

>>184323843
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>>184323834
i had no idea what youre even trying to say here, seriously though fuck off with your craftwar shitposting dumb ESL SEAnigger
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>>184323949
This anon gets it.
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>>184323703
>According to nips they nerfed dragon due to swordbab complaint.
Nips are faggots who think only foreigners like sword so basically they are whining about dirty gaijin ruining their waifu forte's deck
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>>184323680
Because Blood was broken but Haven wasn't
>7.6% playrate is enough for your craft to get gutted
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Why Cinderella has 4/4 stats
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>>184324004
Hags instigate it, if they want to keep getting beat down, I'm more than happy to oblige
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Bets on whats going to be nerfed next?
I think:
Tea time
Eactar
Little soulsquasher
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>>184323963
nerf elana????
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I swear I had at least 8 grimnirs and I vial all but 3 at the first set of nerfs in tog. I feel cheated.
I have 1 spawn and 2 boros. Should I vial them even if I want to play ramp dragon/c blood in the future?
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>>184324004
>hagfag is mad
>/pol/ shit
Oh wow
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>>184323298

here you have it fucking hag shitter
it's not a coincidence that biggest faggot streamers main havencraft looking at how big of a manchild you are
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>>184323921
How is it useless? When will you have full hp against any other deck that is not a control anyway? Also this mechanic change (note: not a nerf you stupid faggot) make it so that Elana become the staple to keep aggro in check, just like dshift keeping control in check. Perfect for cygames' idea of "not too long, not too short" games.
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>>184323703
What are you basing this off of?

And I definitely agree with the nerf, the heal was unnecessary and often impossible to come back from, considering the card's infinite value and constant offensive pressure
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>>184324102
>KMR's pet card
>ever getting nerfed
THIS HEAD CAN'T BE BALANCED
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>>184324068
Because she would be useless otherwise
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>>184324121
You should.
If you miss them you recraft and lose nothing.
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>>184324143
>he made a deck just now to try to deflect from being an obvious shadownigger
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>>184324136
I guess he did hit the bullseye, eh SEAnigger?
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>>184324152
The heal actually made the card playable, now all it's good for is 3500 vials you can exchange for actually good cards.
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>>184324152
Sword can't deal with dragon and ouro made the matchup nearly impossible.
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>>184324246
Hello, underage /pol/tard
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>>184323970
Grimnir being the best card in the game is a symptom, not the disease. Better card pools should have given better lategame plays which would have obsoleted him outside of being a JO win con. Jungle warden and Aerin are examples of what should have been done about Grimnir being the "best"
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>>184324152
Protip, don't reply to anything that starts with "According to nips". It's a tactic to make it seem like something you made up has factual value when it actually doesn't.
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>>184324208

>he crafted 3 aegis just to prove his point guyz i swear!!11 they are all shadownigger in disguise!1

i'm not such a big retard like you hag cunt to do something like this
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Can we have Eris version of this? We need it for next month's meta.
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>decide to open 10 packs because nerfs
>get this
Never played Spawn, should I vial it when the nerf hit?
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>>184324343
>implying you didn't pull three aegis
nice try shadownigger
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>>184324143
>aegis
>monk of purification
>2 grimnir

nice daily deck you dumb shadownig
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>>184324379
>vial before nerf
good choice anon
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>>184324379
No. CBlood still has no other win con and Baphomet nerf fucking deleted azazel otk cblood. He's still strong just not autowin
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>can't stop crying how shit Snow White gonna be before WD release
This is me crying for real now. Fuck you intern-kun
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What did reddit mean by this?
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>>184324446
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>crafted Grimnir playset last expansion
>pulled spawn, snow, and ouroboros
>didn't vial any copies of baphomet
>didn't get baited into crafting Alice
Who /massive gains/ here?
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>>184324364
no
fuck off with your dumb craftwar shitposting dumb seanigs
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>>184324329
wow, the frustration from being born there is palpable.
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>>184324486
what's a racist doing posting a reddit?
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>>184324467
You should probably tie a noose around your neck while you are at it.
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>>184324379

>should i nerf shit for 3,500 vials so i could be able to craft it one more time when it will still be good?

every fucking time
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>>184324486
Why does this fag have to use my wife as his avatar?
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>shadowniggers this desperate to deflect on to haven after it's objectively proven that Shadow is KMR's pet class
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>>184324486
Young man experiencing severe cognitive dissonance at the fact that 4chan is immensely better at predicting real world events than his dear Leddit
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>>184324524
>Can't handle the bantz
Go back to your critter crybb.
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>184324518
>crafted Grimnir playset last expansion
Yes
>pulled spawn, snow, and ouroboros
Yes
>didn't vial any copies of baphomet
Yes
>didn't get baited into crafting Alice
Yes

I will miss Grimnir
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hours until patch?
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>>184324246
>>184324004
>ESL
>SEAnigger

So this is power of haven players?
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>Aegis not nerfed
>while they complain about aegis decks
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>>184324524
>Hoots SHADOWNIGGERS like an ape every thread for the entirety of ToTG
>Starts crying when Haven gets nerfed and tells people to "stop craftwarring"
Hm.
>>
>7pp flood, rush and +2/+0 is fair dudes, 3 heal isn't

shadowniggers are at it again I see.
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>tfw I had 4 eachtars
kmr is doing this to hit me on a personal level, I'm 100% sure
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>sword has no way of dealing with ouro!
What about fucking hero that literally got added this expansion? It's not like dragon is gonna play anything beyond ouroboros in his turn.
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>>184324467
chitoge best grill!
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>>184323703
Fuck this busted card
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>get to dust Haven's best legendary and replace it with Corpselords
>mfw
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Was the shadow reaper nerf really necessary?
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>>184324467
iktf, snow white got leaked i got mad when i saw how underwhelming she is and now that i played her for a bit she really grows on me ;_;, same thing with djeannu i totg.

now snow white is trash and djeanu is irrelevant i want to apologize, i swear the next time im going to craft all 3 copies of havencraft legendaries no matter how shit she looks
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>>184324784
This. Aegis was the card to nerf from haven but they conveniently ignore him again. He's as bad as eachtar ffs.
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the state of this thread holy fucking shit
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>>184324173
Why would a 3pp having full stats 3/3 useless?
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>>184324906
It was a scapegoat to protect KMR's pet card
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>>184324819
I don't think you understand how Ouro works
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>>184324906
He took a hit for Eachtar. The real nerf should be Eachtar.
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>>184324906
every single nerf this game has seen has been necessary, but we still need a couple more
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>>184323825
>destroys sword's board
Oh you're right. Sword's never had to deal with that before.
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>Show White is balanced
>Teatime is balanced
>but shadow!
Haven Mantras. Post Aegis winrates
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>>184324935
>Redditsona 5 reaction pic
haha epic
>>
Reminder that evolving Snow White now gives her only +1/+0. PLUS ONE FUCKING SLASH PLUS ZERO. Let that sink in for a while.
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>>184323726
perfect my ass. It was the best 2 drop in the game in a class that benefits the most of having an evolved follower before turn 4/5. It was fucking broken.
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>>184324906
Because double reaper was oppressive.
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>>184324972
Why would you play that over another 3 drop in any circumstance?
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>>184325062
Snow White was broken. It's a necessary balance, otherwise Haven would destroy the meta.
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>>184325018
t. elf fucker
just hang yourself already, forest is dead
>>
>>184324819
>What about fucking hero that literally got added this expansion?
A worse fangblade slayer?
>>
>>184325057
>everything I don like is reddit
Redditverse
epic
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>>184325062
The only reason Snow White is allowed to exist is because the shitty evolve is considered a cost. Why would Haven evolve Snow White when it has the best evolve drops in the game?
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>>184325062
>legendary 2pp 2/2
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>>184325161
>2pp 3/4
ftfy
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>>184325062
Reminder that evolving Corpselord now gives him only +0/+0. PLUS ZERO FUCKING SLASH PLUS ZERO. Let that sink in for a while.
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>>184325223
How dare you!
>>
What the fuck? Where did Snow White touch you KMR?
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>>184325252
Evolving corpselord gives him last words.
>>
Personally think Baphomet and Snow White nerfs are unnecessary
t. GM Shadow player
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I need a new game after uninstalling this.

What other games does /svg/ play?
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>All this hag butthurt
Snow White genocide best day of my life
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>>184324467
>>184324920
She's still a cheap sticky follower that will work with Elana. She'll still kill most 3 drops


>>184325062
Reminder that there's literally nothing wrong with that in consideration of it fucking evolving itself. you aren't paying for anything

>>184325007
>>184325141
Then stop playing a garbage storm deck. A wide board or durandal Hero allow you to make heavy gains through them.

>>184325314
It was too much value. The only people who didn't have a problem with snow white's cancer were the toxic people playing it.
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>have the best 2-drop and only 2-cost legendary in the game, which is inherently insane because EVERY game reaches turn 2
>still complain
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>chemofags still in denial over having been the cancer all along
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is this the dawn of fire and glass cat blood?
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>>184325431
dumb turtle, enjoy getting raped by KMR board clears
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>>184325443
>Wide board
>Against Dragon
Nigga
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>>184325406
http://www.amirrorclear.net/flowers/game/sil/

Mostly just read stuff these days. Life is just an unceasing conga line of disappointment
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>>184325406
I only play this game
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>>184325463
Fairy Dragon.
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>>184325370
>Baphomet
totally necessay, that or changing a lot Spawn so it can't be that oppressive on t6
>Snow white
I kind of agree but killing something while getting a 2/1 and triggering the dog on t3 was bullshit sometimes
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>>184325495
check previous thread
>chemofags denies official cygames data
>>
Come on, guys. Be more positive. At least after nerf, we won't need to start at that darn 2PP 3/3.
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>>184324819
How do I play Hero on turn 5?
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>>184325463
uh
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Cygames truly wants Dragon to become Neutralcraft.
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>2pp legendary Snow white can't even kill 2pp bronze Spiderweb imp
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>>184325443
>toxic
Go back to tumblr with your redditspeak.
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>>184325601
>0/4 on turn 2
Gee I wonder why it is not auto include in every deck like Snow white?
>>
>>184325520
Flame and glass will never be good
>>
what's the go-to blood deck now for dailies? aggro bats? kms?
>>
>>184325636
Triple Gawain, duh
>>
>>184325601
>>184325647
God damn it. The card's so forgettable it's even fucking up my rhetoric.
>>
>>184325636
>tfw you're trying to find tempo to drop test of strength into lucifer to try and heal all the pain but it never comes

>>184325520
As long as they remain 3pp, they'll never be viable outside of shift where literally anything works
>>
holy shit i cant believe people actually defend eachtar bullshit here now, what the fuck?
>>
>>184325406
Mostly Tales of Maj'Eyal but lately I've been playing WH40K Dawn of War
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>>184325718
Aggro is always the answer. Put in all 2 drops. Only 7 drop is Emaralda and 5 drop is dark airjammer.
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>>184325774
Nobody is defending him though, you dumb hag
>>
>>184325718
Still cat.
>>
>>184325406
Melty Blood
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>>184325774
>when you spend an entire month deflecting on another class but cygames nerfs you anyway
>>
>>184325774
Nobody is defending Eachtar. Stop trying to divert the attention that you lost the argument, hagfag.
>>
>>184325774

who does that you cretin?
>>
>>184325047
Nigga, I rather get Themis since at worst cd amulets will be waiting for me.

Eachtar rips anyboard I can vomit while making their own board.
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>>184325774
Nobody ever thinks he's not bullshit but at the same time, the core of shadow is badly fractured which he was made to address but then the nerfs stripped most of that away
>>
>>184325838
>>184325921
i play sword, and haven has the easiest time dealing with eachtar board why the fuck would they even complain are you retarded?
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>>184325774
>defend eachtar
Where? Who?
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>>184325616
They already spayed Spawn. Right now, Baphomet is just Dragon Summoner with flipped stats.
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>>184325674
even alice 4pp legendary can't kill imp ;_;
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>>184325921
>>184325987
>>184325838
the fact that almost no one is saying that he deserved a nerf is a low key defense
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>>184326028
someone posts webm that Eris use 3x Themis but still lost to 3x Eachtar keep filling the board
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>>184326028
>Man sets world record in backpedaling

>>184326113
This is the dumbest logic.
>>
>>184323825
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oysPnmUnYFw
I!
AM!
YOUR CONQUEROR!

CHARGE!
CHARGE!
CHARGE!
CHARGE!
CHARGE!
>>
>the absolute state of this thread right now
heh, so glad I took this month off from the game
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>>184326113
>the fact that almost no one is saying that he deserved a nerf is a low key defense

Holy shit, you are a genius.
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>>184326174
Don't worry anon, it'll only get worse from here on.
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>>184326113

i did say that two times in last thread but maybe it was lost in between hags butthurt so you haven't seen it
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3500 VIALS PLEASE
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>>184326225
that can't be physically possible
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>>184326174
Unless you're whaling, you'll never get those packs back and already f2p physically cannot keep up after the addition of a second lego without passing on legos and vialing more.

There's also solo missions now so you can just beat up the beginner practice AI in 20 minutes for 2 packs every 3 days
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>>184326174
>only a month off
Time to make that permanent
>>
>playing dirt
>brick
>and brick
>and brick
10/10 deck
>>
>>184326149
This happened 6 million times on DE with otohime and it was "fair and honest" because swordcucks were doing it
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>>184326243
>7 bronze pack
Kill me
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>>184326303
>2 1PPs
>multiple 2PPs
>bricking
Stop with the falseflagging, runefag.
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>>184326307
>tfw sword has never been nerfed

Truly KMR's pet class.
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>>184326271
It has gotten worse 3, arguably 4 times IN. A. ROW. Did you even read this fucking nerf where they blew out baphomet instead of simply fucking shuffling spawns damage around so he no longer qualified for the tutor?

>>184326149
>3x party, 3x thane, 3x kektaur
>Skellytins all up in your board
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>>184321172
>which haven can easily stomp in their current condition
this is wrong. midshadow already beats aegis
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>>184326354
Did you ever play the deck mate?
>>
i didn't think about this before but it doesn't look good at all that they nerfed this many cards. it makes me trust them even less for some reason.

i fucking told them that powercreep isn't reversible.
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Remember when people used to complain about Yurius being overstated? It's amazing that we've come to the point where people actually defend snow white.
>>
>5PP amulet
>Get a 5PP follower instantly and another 5PP follower later on

Why is this allowed?
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>tempted to waste 1.6k gold on WoD packs because of nerfs
should i
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>there are those who still think his head could be taken
Stop being this delusional. That's unhealthy.
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Vampy-chan sugoi dakara!
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>>184326271
>Eachtar killed SV during TOTG
>let's keep nerfing other cards instead addressing the whole reason why many people stopped playing the game

Just even increasing the shadow cost for zombie rush would be ok, but damn they stupid as fuck for hitting Ouro in current meta since there's a high chance it'll just devolve into TOTG meta+rune.
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>>184326551
>chance to get any lego
Yes. I wish you luck.
>>
>>184326514
All the nerfs were terrible and won't really change much.

Neutral Engine is still ridiculous, and Shadow will probably become tier 1 again.
>>
>>184326514
yeah, I can't imagine what sort of monstrosity the next expansion will be
>>
Nerf Eachtar and the player count will come back. Do it while you still can cygames!
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>>184326697
>Nerf Eachtar
How?
>>
>>184326676
>WE NEED SWORD AND FOREST TO INCREASE PLAYRATES!
>Instead make more cblood support cards
>more retarded cards like spawn and alice
>sword and forest still trapped in DE era
>>
>>184326652
>>184326697
Eachtar isn't as strong as neutral blood bullshit so the meta will be fine once for all
>>
>>184326729
>Only buffs zombies
>Zombies now cost 4 necromancy
Choose one
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>>184326729
Possible ways: Up the shadow cost of his zombies, have his buff ONLY affect zombies, no doubt more. It's not hard.
>>
>>184326536
How many eidolons you have?
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>>184326729
Take his head
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>>184326789
Honestly just having him buff only zombies would be a major fix.
>>
>>184326729
Any nerf. Even symbolical nerf like make the zombie generation 4 shadows is ok as long as cygames show to their players that they know they fucked up since ToG.
>>
>>184326789
Only buffs zombies. Maybe +1 to other followers
>>
>>184326729
Like this
>Necromancy (3): Summon a Zombie.
Repeat for remaining shadows or until your area is full.
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>>184325406
>WAAAAAAAAAAH A LEGO GOES 1 FOR 2 CYGAMES PLZ NERF JUST IGNORE EACHTAR PLZ
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>>184326729
easy mode: increase shadow cost per zombie to 4
hard mode: remove +2 or rush
DANTE MUST DIE MODE: make the +2 and/or rush eat shadow as well
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>>184326551
Yeah. Lego pull rates are dickass. If you aren't good are grinding arena then you should open what you have the least golds of. Between that and the dust of extra silvers is your bread and butter
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>>184326826
That head can't be taken!
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>>184326867
It's trash without rush.
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>>184326652
Eachtar is the forte of shadow. Take away or mangle him and they're back to no win con in midrange
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>>184326959
And Ouro is trash without heal.
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>>184326959
Good. Then Snow White can rest in peace.
>>
the real tragedy here is how aegis avoided nerfs for the xth time, snow white is annoying but she doesnt deserve getting the hammer over aegis or tea time first
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>>184327040
>8pp Demonic Strike
HAHAHAHAHA
>>
>>184326652
>>184326652
Cygames backed themselves into a corner by nerfing Catacomb and Reaper first. They basically took the class's two best general-purpose cards (for various decks) and left the absolute strongest one (for one specific deck) intact. Now if they take Eachtar the entire class falls apart.
>>
just make it so you have to choose to either buff the board or summon zombie renos
but maybe that's too much for cygames' chink programmers
>>
>>184327040
And Ramp is still meta because no one gives a fuck about Ouro. Midrange without Eachtar is dead
>>
>>184327112
Just like when they refused to nerf Roach
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>>184326729
Zombie only gain +1/0. And they need to nerf Sybil and Aegis too
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>>184323703
>eachtar and sybil aren't getting nerfed cause they're legendaries in the prebuilts
Looks like I'm gonna be a shadow and ramp nigga next month.
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>>184327142
>ramp
>meta
Not in wonderland it's not.
>>
>>184327112
>the entire class falls apart
Nope. Only midrange getting gutted. They still have aggro and Nep.
>>
>>184327096
>tfw it's come full circle back to the end of RoB
YOU LAUGHED AT ESS VEE GAY, BUT GUESS WHO WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG?!

EIGHT PP
DEMONIC STRIKE
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>>184326596
Full comic album that this is from here:
http://imgur.com/a/ZBuzr
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>>184327190
Spawn will be dead tomorrow.
>>
>>184327112
Shadow as a class is fine. Aggro shadow has always been cancer and nep/DAlice shadow decks have a lot of favorable matchups
>>
>>184327161
Roach was fine, roach is fine, roach will always be fine. A 1/1 that cannot do anything on its own and is dead with even a ward with 1 attack is and will never be a problem.
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>>184327142
>no one gives a fuck about Ouro.
If that was true, they wouldn't have to nerf him.
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>>184327215
>aggro without reaper or catacomb
>nep when haven and rune are playable
t. Hag
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>>184327329
DAlice is very bad
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>>184327352
Thats why gobbo mage had to be gutted right?
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>>184327263
My daughterwife Luna is so cute
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>>184327391
When I get two more DAlice's I'll show you. I'll show all of you.
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>>184327372
30 turns mirrors
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>>184327329
>aggro shadow right now
>literally 1/2 2/2 3/2 2/2+2/2 curve
>against neutralcraft and heal spam
My sides.
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>>184327404
She is still usable. She is nerfed because people keep whining since they can't rub 2 brain cells together to save themselves from imminent roach strike.
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>>184327461
I was poor boy like you. Crafted 3 DA. Fall into memes.
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Wallet rune is a pain in the fucking ass. Lucifer in the end game is such a pain.
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>>184327513
You can't defend guaranteed two roaches in hand basically every game. Even when you BUILD A WALL it only takes a tech to make it all tumble down
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Would prenerf Gobu roach OTK do well in pre nerf WD?
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>>184327629
>it only takes a tech to make it all tumble down
Just look at Roach vs Shadow. Nothing can save you from wards.
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>>184327689
No. ToG's powercreep and WD powercreep combine makes it impossible. Also Grimnir.
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>he still plays shadowverse
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>>184327629
As if. If that is true otk forest wouldn't have trouble with death breath.
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>>184327562
I sandbagged in B so I could actually play stuff like tempo bats, woodland refuge tempo elf, ironwrought fortress tempo sword, creed ambush sword, etc so I'm hard up. My golds are pretty spotty too.
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>>184327112
I'd gladly trade Eachtar Catacomb back. Hell, I'd trade eachtar for a catacomb that makes 0/1s. I want my fucking weenie/shadow engine back.
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have the nerfs happen yet or can I continue fapping?
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>be Cygames
>make expansion
>few month later
>realize your game is unbalanced now
>nerf almost all the newly introduced cards
For what purpose
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>>184327329
Aggro Shadow isn't even played anymore.

Hell, any non-neutral aggro is played anymore.
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>>184327112
>the absolute strongest one (for one specific deck)
what the fuck are you talking about. literally the only reason you'd ever not run eachtar is if you're nepping it up.
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>>184326403
>pulling stats out of your ass
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Who else maining LB in storm ramp here after hag fags are going to make a comeback
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>>184327286
So? Instead of Spawn it's gonna be Eachtar making sure ramp doesn't exist.
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>>184325047
Is Themiss the most powerful angel in RoB or why does her decree kill literally everything except for like 3 things?
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>>184328014
>Replying to Havenscum
They'll say anything to make it look like they're oppressed
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>>184328014
>muh self reported stats
theres a reason everyone in jcg is running blood/shadow
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>>184327861
???
yeah it did
shadow just struggled to get the requirements for the wards
the only deck that ran DB at that time was nep
everyone was playing aggro shadow
but when it was played or anything similar like front guard general it was pretty much gg for the cinnamon roll
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You know what? Between the meta right now or having haven on top of the meta, I would rather choose the current meta.
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>just got killed by prince into zombie party into double eachtar
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>>184328202
Same
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>>184328117
Check shadowlog stats
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>>184328202
Haven popping up means more dshit, storm ramp and even roaches.
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>>184328152
>i don't know how tournaments work
The reason is solely because shadow has the best means of contesting and countering blood in a tournament environment.
>but those statistics don't count
Then where's the statistics showing aegis loses to shadow?
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>>184306516
This general is full of your circlejerk friends from Discord and casual kids who can't build a deck meming, you can fuck off any day.
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>>184328152
>self reported stats
Classic Havenscum
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>>184328174
If you play aggro and can't finish opponent by turn 6, you're much dead by running out of steam in earlier meta let alone Roach strike turn 7.
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>>184328328
>The reason is solely because shadow has the best means of contesting and countering blood in a tournament environment.
you're retarded. haven can be teched against blood much harder than shadow can. no one even runs khawy

>Then where's the statistics showing aegis loses to shadow?
scrims
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>>184328010
Eachtar doesn't help you tyrant, it doesn't help you dalice, it doesn't help you aggro or burn face with ghosts, it doesn't help you get PTP online, it doesn't help you atomeme. Catacomb helps you with all except one of those things, Reaper was aggro core in addition to midrange.
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>>184328202

Pre nerfs with blood on top

>have one deck on top with unbeatable win con
>to one who goes first win

Post nerfs with haven on top

>have one deck on top with unbeatable win con
>to one who goes first win

after gutting dragon it will be the same fucking shit for me or maybe 2 decks if echtar will make a comeback
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>>184328174
>but when it was played or anything similar like front guard general it was pretty much gg for the cinnamon roll
Which is why it was actually fine. It had hard counters. Sword was brought up a few tiers because it is anti-forest. Not to mention that Daria could actually outcompete roach.
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>Dragon nerfed for no reason
Hahahahaa good fucking joke cygames
why don't you nerf albert and roach while you're at it
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>>184328451
>haven can be teched against blood much harder than shadow can. no one even runs khawy
And haven can tech against roach too right?
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>>184328567
yes? not sure why that's relevant though since forest will never see play in SHADOWverse
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>>184328451
Haven already has worse winrates and performance against current blood than shadow for a reason. Meme techs like iron maiden are useless in an environment where players don't drop spawn and pass their turn if it's possible for the opponent to have a tech like that.

>but muh anecdotal personal experiences
Wow so professional and not self-reported!
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>>184328647
>tournament environment
>forest will never see play in SHADOWverse
Ahhhhhhh havenfag
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>>184328546
100% deserved, sibylnigger
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need a private match win pls concede. Lobby # 37174
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>>184325774
We have been being raided for a while now. The shocking true is that theres low life forms out there that just shiposter because they're not better than it. If you're a lose chat pig among nobles behind just a keyboard, what there's to lose? They've already destroyed /a/ too why not everything else?
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>>184328152
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>>184328970
>15
>13

So dead.
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>>184328858
thanks
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>>184328469
I'm so conflicted about Catacomb. On one hand, I love him because he made just about every Shadowcraft meme you can imagine better. On the other hand, I hated that the card pretty much singlehandedly railroaded every single deck into playing an aggro curve with Reapers.
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>>184327142
stop shitposting. Let dragon alone for once. They can't even roost in peace.
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>Bloodcat will still rape ladder
>Midshadow back to tier 1
>Aegiscrap back to tier 1
>Dragon nerfed for vague reasons
>Forest, Sword and Rune not helped in any way
WOW I'm really impressed by the knowledge of these MtG pros, they really know their stuff
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>>184328970
Clearly dragon needed nerfs.
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>>184328152
Shadow had a tolerable Blood matchup and Haven did not. Haven was by far the most played craft with a bad Blood matchup specifically because it oppresses literally everything other than Blood.
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>>184328024
Just tilt dread otk
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>These nerfs

If they want Shadow to be at 66% playrate again they might as well wipe all the WD cards clean.
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>>184328721
>caring about ladder over tournaments
fucking shadowjews.

>>184328689
haven (for the moment) has snow white which is tove tier earlygame. they have actual healing which is huge vs spawn. they have themis vs neutral flood.

>Wow so professional and not self-reported!
not arguing that you should believe me because of scrim experience, just that self reported shit has been wrong before. you probably should believe me because shadow absolutely shits all over aegis in blood + 1 tournaments.which it would not if haven was 55-45 against shadow
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>>184329101
Blood completely lock him down
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>>184329094
Bloodcat isn't terribly oppressive anymore because
>baph is now an unreliable tutor that can tutor himself
>tove is now merely decent
>goblin leader is trash
It's not nearly as consistent as shadow/haven
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>>184327142
The fact that Sibyl wasn't nerfed seems like a strong tell that they'll do another nerf wave after the prebuilts are released. Eachtar will get nerfed in it as well if Shadow becomes a problem, but they really don't want to nerf him before the next set can replace him as the midrange win con.

I personally would love an excuse to play one of Shadow's 5 other cool 7-drops for once.
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>>184328970
WOOOOOW LOOK AT HOW OPPRESSIVE DRAGON IS NERF THAT SHIT IMMEDIATELY
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>>184329094
>bloodcat
>baphomet and ant eater dead
Are you a delusional bloodfag?
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>set of animated alice adventures
this is my face
pic not related
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>>184328970
>tfw Kikegames will be forced to give both crafts broken cards next expansion to increase play rate or face more

So cycle of bitching and whining will happen once those idiots focus on saving sword and forest?
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>>184329101
Every other game in the ToTG meta Tournaments was 20 turns thanks to Ouro. They really don't want that happening again.
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>>184329310
Sybil will never be nerfed. I personally think Sybil is a strong but not oppressive card, so it can stay in the game.
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>>184329310
They can nerf sibyl fine. The alt-art cards are basic and can't be vialed.
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>>184329227
>just that self reported shit has been wrong before.
You can't ignore statistic from thousand matches and call it wrong. It's logical fallacy. Just watch tournament itself. Haven is shit against Blood. Shadow is more stable
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>Dragon has 30% wr against Nep Pre-Totg
>let's give them LB, Ouro, Grim and Zell so that they have a fighting chance
>still sub 50% wr against nep, but Rowen can bear it
>flash forward some months
>Ouro, LB, Zell and Grimnir all dead in the water
What's even the fucking point? Dragon doesn't use one single card from the WonderLand expansion and they slowly lose all their playble cards from TotG. Next month they'll assassinate Sibyl and then they might as well just remove all dragon cards post-RoB and you wouldn't even notice a difference.
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>>184329395
They CAN nerf her, but there's no way in hell they'll do it before people spend their money on a deck with her as the primary selling point.
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>>184329319
>baphomet and ant eater dead
Oh man now Cat's damage won't be polluted by non-neutral cards anymore whatever will i do
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>people will actually defend a 2pp 2/3 plus tip
Are haven players the most childish?
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>>184329101
>>184329317
The nerfs were preemptive, you fucking mongoloids.
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>>184329317
>playing dragon in spawn meta
>tournament
It like you don't know how tournaments work
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>>184329310
Oh this retard again. Don't blame people for calling you retard and telling you to fuck off. You're just shitposting now, you're the only person who insists in this bait. Talk about B rank crying about Aegis, holy hell.
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>>184329289
Tove is not merely decent, he's trash. He's like either a bad removal or a Fighter. Cygames are retarded.
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>>184329443
>It's logical fallacy
no it isn't.

>Haven is shit against Blood
what is this meme? seraph actually beats pure spawn which is the variant 3/4 semifinalists from the last jcg were running
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>>184328970
>50% shadow
>13% dragon
>nerf dragon but leave shadow alone
You never cease to amaze me cygames
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>7 tove
>10 leader
>4 baph
>1 grimnir
Well I guess 2,450 vials is alright

>>184329503
They play hag solely to solitaire then win the game with an uninterative win con that either can't be countered at all or is only countered by non-meta cards that cause you to lose the other 84% of matchups you play. What was your first fucking clue?
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>>184329489
>he still thinks that the neutral engine without leader will be as good
I have a playset of animated Teena and I can see them gunning down with much consistency.
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>>184329484
>people spend their money on a deck with her as the primary selling point.
It didn't even happened yet. Fuck off with your mental gymnastics, butthurtman.
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How buttmad are the nips anyway?
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>>184329595
He's removal that leaves a body against 1/2's and also doesn't brick when you opponent doesn't play anything t1/2 dumbass
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>We want the game to be less luck based
>Makes baphomet tutor any blood follower including himself

sasuga kmr you retarded zipperhead
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>>184329595
>can gain rush if played along a neutral card
>just a fighter
Lyrial and Feria are fighter clones too if you don't have EP
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>>184329716
Hopefully so plasmad that they undo the baphomet and drop spawns attack. Fucking retards. 2 bombs clearly wasn't enough
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>>184329484
>they'll do it before people spend their money on a deck with her as the primary selling point.
How? The pre-build isn't out yet. And that can apply to every other craft with their pre-build.
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My...meme powers..egh
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>>184329719
>He's removal that leaves a body against 1/2's
A removal that requires you to play 2 cards, can only remove things with 2 defense or less and will never survive against anything that matters
lol so gud
nobody will play tove anymore don't be retarded
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>>184326921
How do you get good at grinding arena? You need to basically go 5-0 to recover the cost of gold? Also how do you get good at arena? You go for a full hand of 2 drops?
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>>184329841

post dick because i have 3x wyrm gods and one of them is animated too
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>retards unironically defending baphomet
See Maid, Gob Mage, Lou and Dragon Summoner. Baphomet has better stats than them, tutor better cards AND a strong enhance effect. That shit is broken and limit the design of blood cards.
>muh snek and azazel
Literally only special snowflake retards play that shit. I never see them since the 2nd day of ToTG.
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>>184329503
>people will actually defend 7 mana clear the entire board/kill your opponent if you have anything resembling a board
not even close
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>>184329595
Actually fighter is better because he can be buffed by Alice and Feria while tove will always remain a 2/2
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>>184329719
>against 1/2's
Wow 1 attack, that sure is scaring Alice. You could play a Neutral instead of that useless Fighter with Rush to increase the synergy with THREE different cards in your deck. The Anteater is basically useless now.
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>>184329841
Do you urd em?
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>>184329845
>removal that requires you to play 2 cards
???
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>tfw autist on 4chan can do a better job at balancing the game
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>>184329953
I don't think anyone's defending eachtar, everyone knows he's dangerous stuff

But last thread was literally full of havenbabs whining that their 2pp 3/5 double attack is now a 2pp 3/4
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>>184330043
The sentence didn't end at the comma you are supposed to read what comes after it too
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>>184329943
All the balance in the world doesn't matter if the game isn't fun.
Flipping coins is 50/50 perfect balance, but it's boring as shit.
Killing fun decks because you're too incompetent to make cards that aren't overpowered with Baph is just being a bad game designer.
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>>184329838
He's a obviously a seer, he already knows people will spend on pre-build Dragon, as if the most hitted craft with the nerfs remains relevant over the broken options over there.
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Obligatory reminder that we don't need Shadow nerfs because Dirt is going ot be tier 1 now and it rapes Shadow.
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>>184330108
muh 7.3% why did you nerf her!!!!!
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>>184329943
>better stats
>a literal 2/1(4/3) on turn five

The neutral engine made playing a 2/1 on turn 5 not a gigantic tempo loss.

But Cygames are ridiculously incompetent and decided to nerf Baphomet instead of the cards that enabled him.

Maybe another month of player loss will make cygames put some actual thought and effort into their nerfing.
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>>184328014
That is because ALL decks currently are teching against neutral blood. I mean Shadow is running fucking Necroassasin and leaching corpse both of which were never around in midshadow previous decks because they were the early aggressors.

Currently all decks are playing hard removal on the early rate or they are playing the neutral package.
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>>184330141
Cygames likes unga decks, doesn't like thinking decks. Which is why they gave nothing to forest for 3 consecutive expansions.
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>>184330228
Rune can counter any craft besides Haven. Rune countered Spawn but not the Neutral curve. This is not a secret.
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>>184330281
>forest
>not unga
>>
>still no 2PP 3 damage spell for forest
>still no 1PP 1/2 follower for forest
>still no viable board clear for forest
>>
Can anyone link pics of Snow White engaging in bestiality with dogs?
tyvm
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>Shadow has 55% winrate
>better nerf dragon and haven
cygames
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>>184330040
no that's wyrm
>>184329927
it's bad and stupid, but w/e/
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>>184330108
>2pp 3/5
stop adding attack together when looking at multiple bodies. it's fucking retarded

snow white is obviously great (until tonight when she's obviously trash). but the amount of unfairness she can gift turn 2 isn't as big as sybil or eachtar on their turns. i wouldn't give a shit if they didn't completely avoid nerfing shadow which is either the second or third best deck already and will have 0 competition soon
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Meta predictions

Rock: Haven
Paper: Dshift
Scissors: Shadow
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>>184330249
I actually generally liked the way they nerfed stuff in the past but they're really dropping the ball right now.
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>>184330350
Rune counters Shadow incidentally just like Haven does. They don't need to tech something like Mutagenic when Calamitous just rapes literally anything Shadow can play.

Neutral curve is neutered without the unremovable 3-drop, and Grimnir's nerf is actually relevant because Dirt likes to drag games out, so overall Rune looks very good.
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>people already saying midshadow will dominate

It won't, fools. Neutral will still be king since Alice s untouched.

Now we'll see more sword, rune and haven neutral since blood killed all of them with tove.
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>>184330506
>shadow without reaper beating dshift
I got bad news for you.
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>dragon drops all his removal
>then drops sybil
How do you even beat this as an aggro deck?
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>>184330506
>Dirt > Shadow
>Dragon > Dirt
>Nep > Dragon
>Haven > Nep
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>>184330408
>>still no 2PP 3 damage spell for forest
Twin elf assault
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>>184330506
dshift actually beats midshadow and haven can tech against it pretty easily now that snow white's slot freed up
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>>184330281
That's also why they try to make Dragon players quit. They're literally the only craft that tries to oppose the "only turn 5 allowed" time limit along with some types of Haven deck, and the only players to call out their bullshit. Dragon players quitting means Cygames controlling the player fanbase aka Shadow/Vampyniggers all day along.
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>>184330504
>Can activate doggo
>secure your early game

She is still insane even with 2/2 stats while evolve.
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>>184330617
>Neutral will still be king
It was king for a week at most you shitter.
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>>184330617
>It won't, fools. Neutral will still be king since Alice s untouched.
The only Neutral deck that had a positive (51% lol) winrate against KYB was Spawn blood
Sword? Kyb has a 60% winrate against it
Forest? Kyb has a 65% winrate against it
And both those decks lost goblin leader while KYB is completely untouched
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Post Luna.
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>>184330669
>2PP 0 damage

I am amaze that cygames can actually make a 2PP card a brick in an early game (or late game when you are topdecking).
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>>184330504
>but the amount of unfairness she can gift turn 2 isn't as big as sybil or eachtar on their turns
The amount of board control and tempo granted for that turn was absolutely insane if you werent snowballing with the neutral package. It was less fair than sibyl
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>>184330769
Stop with this kyb meme already. Forced as shit.
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>>184330813
STINKS
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>>184330719
But dragon ends games on turn 5
Just that they have bahamut or Enhanced Grimnir out then
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>>184330813
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>>184330617
Neutral's 3 is shit now, you basically have to play a 2 + 1-drop if you want to get big Alice value, and that just makes her hand buff worse.
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play dreadshift
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>>184330636
Good thing, or else they would be dead.

I knew it, only aggrobabs complain about these cards.
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>SYBIL AND EACHTAR UNCHANGED
YO GUYS HEARD YOU LIKED TOTG AFTER ALL
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>>184330228
Dirts counters itself pretty much. Having the hilarious 7 sigil hand happens way too much.
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>>184330040
gives you x2 on evo too next turn
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>>184330965
I have no idea why you guys are so butthurt about Sybil . Literally just kill her.
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>>184329846
Build smart, be a luckshitter, play well.

4-1 lets you match with log-in+dailies. 5-0 is a free ticket and potentially a mulligan on a non-5-0 run
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>>184330725
she's bad m80. snow white is already clunky now when there's actual payoff. post nerf the maximum possible payoff is trading evenly with a 2/3 assuming your opponent isn't stupid and playing a baphomet or some shit into her. she needs a deck with angel of the word to be playable and even then i'd probably prefer a neutral, mainyu, or 'eat shit combo: the card'

keep in mind she's one of your 6 2 drops that can be evolved which does happen sometimes and doing that is now actually a complete joke
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>>184330965
>Sybil
>relevant
What's your problem Cygames employee? If you want to nerf it just to trigger people because you're butthurt, go ahead nobody can stop you.
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>>184330813
I hope we get something nice out of Comiket. I hope Carrots become relevant again someday.
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>>184331036
>ramp
>heal
>and on curve stats
>idk whats wrong with it lol
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>>184331068
Carrotman is very likely to take the place of goblin leader in many neutral decks.
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>>184331076
Okay B Rank, now climb a little in the game. Or stop playing if it's too hard for you.
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>>184331036
Literally just lose all your tempo trading into an overstatted follower that still has to be removed despite already having contributed a PP orb and 3 damage heal. Wow, just remove it bro whats the big deal
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>>184330470
No, I mean do you urd your wyrm's for sustained effect?

>>184330636
You got preferred matchup'd. That's life if you're balls to the walls win hard or lose hard
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>>184331058
2/3 are 3pp
Snowwhite is 2pp
How is that a bad trade at all for haven?
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Dont mind me, just playing a superior game while waiting for the nerfs to be implemented
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>>184330719
Dragon is the same shit as the others go fuck yourself. They play more PP followers because they ramp
>>184330636
You don't. After this nerf we are back to TotG with every other craft forced to run aggro because there's no threats bigger than aegis, eachtar and sibyl + company
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Luna!
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>>184331154
>le B rank
Nice argument
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>>184331150
Carrotman is still only 1 body for alice to buff
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>>184331165
I found other dragon card more problematic and deserve a nerf more than Sybil, namely Rahab and Ouroboros. Ouroboros got the hammer, Rahab should be next in line instead of Sybil.
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>>184331169
>urd your wyrm's
that works only in fairytales
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Should I spent all my gold on WD packs to pull spawn and snowwhite?
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>>184331076
Every deck can literally leave you as a alive corpse before turn 5 hits. Sometimes Dragon is forced to delay Sybil because they won't get the healing from it if they haven't ramped once, which could mean losing tye match. Stop being so retarded underage.
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>>184331175
it's not a bad trade. it's just not a good enough one to justify hitting face for 1, being unable to kill shit if your opponent only has 1 attack minions, and making you the saddest person on earth if you need to evolve her manually. keep in mind the only common 2/3 is grimnir which is getting majorly nerfed
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>tfw shadowverse will never have fun cards
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>>184331058
>clunky
>killing a 3-drop with your 2 is clunky
>killing a 2/2 with your removal-resistant 2 is clunky
Fucking hagfags. Holy shit. Other classes are happy just to have a fighter that stays relevant after turn 5 you fucking nigger.
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>nerfed Ouro a card that was already nerfed
>shadow is completely untouched
Nope. Can't take this bullshit anymore. I'm out.
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>>184331290
Nah, it's two. The one in your hand and the one in your board.
You have to pay 2 to play a 3/3 carrot and that's it.
>>184331410
You won't pull them but you will get a shitload of gobbos and toves so yeah, pull.
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>>184330868
I can read the comic but I don't understand what the 3rd panel pic drawing is meant to be.
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So, is Orouboros useless now?
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How much longer do we have until maintenance? I'm bad at timezones.
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>>184331579
the guy holding his nose because luna stinks
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>salamander their board
>thane
>salamander again
>thane
>grimnir them
>zombie party
>bahamut them
>lurching + demon eater
This is bullshit.
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>>184331482
>fun

I lost faith in them after they release Reno.
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>>184331581
Still good. He still functions the same, but you don't heal on his death anymore, You still run him for the same reason you ran him before.
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>>184331581
Now? No
After the nerf? Yes
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>>184331581
Yes.
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>>184331682
>8PP Demonic Strike
Pfft.
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>>184331663
Reno Quest Priest is the reason I went back to that game. Well, that and the abysmal state this game is in.
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>>184331223
Mordecai!
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>>184331213
Ramping is Dragon's mechanic and obviously Dragon can't do what the other crafts do. They do that because that's all they have.
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>>184331485
>OMG how can you call her clunky when she can trade evenly with things that cost the same mana and nerfed grimnir???!!!!!
you're retarded, shadowjew

>removal-resistant
fortunately she hits face for 1 so they don't really have to give a shit about her unless she has a ping to help her obtain actual value. or alternatively haven could play a neutral for synergy or an actually good card like the new gold
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>>184331319
That's probably because your're a B rank.
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>>184331319
>WD meta
>rahab
You are serious, right?
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>>184331682
You aren't funny. Stop spamming this general.
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>>184331838
>nerfed grimnir
As opposed to pre-nerf grimnir, right?
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>>184331581
Not even close.
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>>184331682
>le legendary demonic strike
fuck off
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>>184331581
I could still see him as a 1-of. Keep in mind a major way he got cleared is grimnir which he no longer has to counteract the damage from. But yeah, mediocre.
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>>184331935
To be honest I don't think it needs a nerf. But I think if they want to come for dragon once again Rahab should be nerfed first before Sybil.
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>>184331581
He still has the same offensive pressure, but you can't be totally braindead with him anymore. It's still an okay card.
>>184331756
8pp demonic strike that has to be removed or you potentially get punished heavily the next turn, when the act of removing it is usually a negative trade
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>>184331962
well one of them is good enough to justify running regularly and the other is meh
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>dragon lose LB, grimnir, zell and ouro
>all wincon cards
>shadow lose some annoyances while their main wincon is still there

Luna pedos dictating the game again.
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>>184331838
>baww my 3 mana 3/4 isn't literally the best at everything unconditionally
Just play Lyrial like everyone else if you care so much about that face damage in a non-face class.
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>>184332039
But now they cannot gain back 3 defense for every time he goes back home. That's going to matter a lot for the dragon player.
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>>184331165
>>184332039
Netdeckers aggrobabs I swear. Aggro bats wanting to freely cheat the game all over again.
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>>184332039
>8pp demonic strike that can easily be removed, when the act of removing it is just another 8pp demonic strike
fixed that for you
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>>184332085
It's still a 2/3 ward for 3 with the neutral tribe that becomes a board wipe if the game drags on. The fact that it won't literally win you the game hardly makes a difference when it was STILL arguably the most-played card in the game when turn 10 didn't exist.
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>>184330602
How's the deck list looked like anyway?
How many legends?
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>>184332163
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>>184331340
Land of wonders!
Land of marvels!
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>>184332134
I actually want lightning blast back. I don't even play dragon myself.
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DREADSHIFT META SOON
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CONTROL SWORD IS GONNA RULE THE META NOW
THIS IS OUR PATCH BROS
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>>184332316
>I don't even play dragon myself.
Nice try
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>>184332163
I thought Luna had goat horns there
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>>184332270
thing is even if you boardclear it's not a good turn now. it's a conflag with a shitty ward stapled on whereas it previously at least pressured them and made them have to worry about getting stormed down
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x3 lighting blast weren't enough
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>>184332304
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>>184332276
Only Oz if you're specifically playing the burn variant, otherwise there are no core legendaries.
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>>184332428
Nice meme
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>>184332290
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>>184332428
think about the one good class that didn't get nerfed. then cry.
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>>184332234
Yes, surely anyone aiming to reduce the enemy leader's defense to zero is aggro. Tempo is just a myth.

Any deck archetype that doesn't literally end the game instantly must be muh aggro boogeyman, unlike my intelligent ramp that only ever plays on curve
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>Dragon nerfed again
For what purpose?
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>Won a game with PtP snow rune again
Ahhh
My favorite shitty meme deck
Welcome back
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>>184332515
Do you also consider Bahamut or pre-nerf LB to be a bad turn? Unlike Grimnir, neither of those prevent you yourself from getting stormed, and they're both bricks if you draw them in your opening hand.
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>>184332428
Dirt rune and midshadow exists so no.
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DIRTBROS WW@?
THE TIME TO RISE IS OURS!
JEB WILLS IT!
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>>184332624
Then complain ABOUt DSHIFT DUMB. It never works, liar bat.
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>>184332643
>Blood and Haven get slap on the wrist
>Shadow gets nothing
>Dragon gets 2 core cards outright removed
Love these MtG pros
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I'm going to rope the next faggot that starts first and gets a perfect leader into alice
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So whats the decklist for Midshadow now? Is it still cerbhowl
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>>184332728
>Strom Ramp blocks your way
What to do?
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>>184332658
baha and pre nerf lighting blast can kill more than vanilla 4 hp shit

>neither of those prevent you yourself from getting stormed
baha is absolutely preventing you from getting stormed unless your opponent can kill you that turn. what's going to happen now is shadow shits out a board, you grimnir it, and they laugh at you and throw down another board without giving a shit about your nonexistent board
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Disco dragon tier1 btw
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>>184332728
Fuck everybody BROS
I'll always hate dshift but every other bullshit deck of yours are welcome. Burn Shadow and Blood to the GROUND.
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>>184332431
It is true. I play forest. Having dragon lightning blast your board 3 times of course is a bad feeling but with dragon in the meta other classes will play with more restraint which is good for the meta.
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>>184332945
>Dragon
I won't even search a laughing face for you weaklings.
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>>184332290
poor Forte, she did nothing wrong.
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>dragonman will never be this smug ever again

Happy now, swordbabs?
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>>184332945
How? You can transform their shit, and there's that 0pp removal.
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goodbye sweet prince
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>>184333020
>Ramp twice
Time is running out!
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WHY WOULD THEY NERF JO
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>>184333081
>You can transform their shit
after it storms you
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>>184333081
Transforming shit like Genesis, Forte or Polyroar's dragons means fuckall since they already hit your face.
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Is this the official return of the Rowen memes
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>>184333163
The only things that storm ramp could lethal me with were ouruboros and grim, and they are both go and staying go.
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>>184333081
Ramp is counter for dirt. You win only if he bricks. At master at least
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>>184333163
Do you mean brick itself? Also, you can storm too now, grats. Someone post that Gold girl's deck.
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>>184333081
I doubt dshift will run caprice anymore since it was way too expensive, and burn variants will very well replace bolt with calamity now that shadow is a threat
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Who else here trying to play with the nerfs one last time?
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>>184332428
I can't wait to tear these shadowbabs a new one with these sword techs
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>>184333253
>>184333264
you guys do realize ramp beats dirt, right? baha blows up your sigils and clears your board and it has a ton of healing (especially after it switches to saha because of shadow).
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>>184333318
Caprice is a core card to dshif to remo big followers and board flood. Tin Soldier and Sword is still a problem, dshift definitely needs it.
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>>184332949
And then you play another Grimnir. You act as if wide boards with more than 4 HP are remotely common in this game.
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>>184333687
thane, attendant/chimera, throwing down multiple things with insane draw. it's pretty common dude. you're probably not going to run shadow out of cards with your grimnir. without face damage it's just a stalling tactic that only clears the most vanilla shadow boards
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>>184332728
Damn to think that dirt rune was a 35% win rate last patch. All it needed was draw and MOTHERFUCKING LEVI to be viable.
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>>184333497
Do you realize that dropping 1 Baha may be the only thing they will do all the match? Rune's resource to counter it is almost guaranteed.
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>>184333937
>Do you realize that dropping 1 Baha may be the only thing they will do all the match?
besides healing for 20 and dropping more large bodies than you have removal?
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>>184331581
He can be used to craft any legendary card you want. That's pretty useful.
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>>184332163
>>184332290
Heard you talking shit about us with your reddit friends like we wouldn't find out
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>>184334012
That's not how it works. Dirt rune is aggressive.
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Atleast he made the right choice by leaving.
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>>184334038
>buy 3 dragon prebuilt now
oh vey
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>>184333937
That's why dragon has 57%+ winrate against dirt and 60%+ against burn?
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Last meta report before nerfs.

>4%
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Is woodland ban a win more card?I can't really imagine a situation where the buffed followers would stick for too long or rather have 4 different allied followers on board to remain unless they are low PP cost cards with low HP but then again they would die to a simple board clear spell or other board flood followers/cards.
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>>184334078
>>184332163
>>184332290
You have to go back.
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>>184334123
and saha ramp is the king of anti aggro
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Will they give out free packs for roost maintenance
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>>184333898
>running thane when eachtar and party exist
>running attendant when neutral snowball exists
Would you rather him just be a 2/3 ward without enhance? Because like I said, people run him fucking everywhere even when turn 10 doesn't exist.
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>>184334227
>4%
>41.5%

We are done.
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>>184334234
>>184334078
What?
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>>184334254
>free packs
When was the last time this kikes gave out free packs outside of events?
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>>184334227
>SHADOW
>49%
>UNTOUCHED
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>>184334350
Please understand
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>>184334218
I don't think Dragon will see play anyway.
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>>184334345
>calling Cyagames "kikes"
are you serious, nigger
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>>184334253
Alice is still alive. No one wants to play a gamble deck. And Saha only worked out against Midrange Shadow because lighting blast was still there.
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>>184334350
49% would be fairly balanced, honestly, if there wasn't a tier 0 deck lowering the winrate of every other class.
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>>184334569
What is the problem, you fucking jew? Got upset someone calling you what your kind are?
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>>184334292
>>running thane when eachtar exist
you run both. it's standard in jcg lists for example
>>running thane when eachtar and party exist
party is an option but it gets conflagged and shits up your eachtar's shadow pool

>people run him fucking everywhere even when turn 10 doesn't exist
that's not really true. shadow/dragon/aegis games are regularly past turn 10. the only decks that really limit game length are dshift/seraph/cthulhu
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>>184334345
>outside of events
So just apolopacks? Last time a maint went overtime was RoB.
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THE TIME HAS COME
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>>184334669
Why do you hate yourself so much
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>>184334609
that's not true. dragon's winrate against shadow went way up after nerfs because people started running wrath drake and saha isra
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>Elana
>Aegis
>the one who gets nerfed is snow white
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>>184334672
>shadow are regularly past turn 10
Hahahaha. Maybe KYD Shadow. Those fucking retards.
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>>184334227
>48% Dragon
WE MUST DESTROY IT
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>>184333497
dirt just needs to hard mulligan for Magic illusionist.

Evolve it and go face.

Dragan can't do shit against it.
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>>184334672
Neutral is an aggro curve and it autoincludes Grim.
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>>184334793
I am not from Jew, you fucking shekels loving rat.
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>>184334227
>shadow avoided nerfs
aaaaaa
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>>184334672
>that's not really true
What card is more played than Grimnir?
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>>184334892
because vanilla ward with base stats is fine for neutrals. but if you're not after neutral synergy there's much better class shit
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>>184334973
you're making May cry
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>>184335000
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>>184335035
>but if you're not after neutral synergy there's much better class shit
Only 3 classes have wards that are as good as grimnir
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>>184334227
>People think Shadow isn't going to be tier 0 again
>one more month of ToTG meta this time without dragons.

Is time to make balanced man decks.
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>>184334803
You couldn't survive the Shadow early curve with that. Dragon's chance of beating Shadow were decided if they mullinged Oracle or not. Saha without LB was the same as having your efforts of surviving go to waste.
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>>184332428
A N T I Q U I T Y

I'M SO DAMN CLOSE TO JUST VIALING AND CRAFTING HIM AND A 2ND ALEXANDER. STOP ME NIGGAS, HOLD ME BACK FROM EMBRACING CSWORD
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>>184326165
At 7 pp Alexander would be amazing board clear for sword. Cleans up a Death's breath and zombie party pretty well.

At 8 pp You've already been Eachtar'd twice and probably dead.
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>>184334864
If they droo sibyl and you don't have a dod you might as well concede
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>>184335130
I imagine Luna crying to Cygames to not nerf her balanced man and then Cygames making her suck her dick so she can keep her toy.
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>>184335035
>much better
What would that be?
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>>184333928
It's almost like a meh control deck without a win con becomes good when it gets two expansions of burn and switched to aggro. It makes aggro bats look like a sick joke.
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>>184335221
i dunno what to tell you dude. post nerf dragon's shadow winrate went up significantly

>>184335137
you don't run a 3 drop for the ward unless you're tempo trying to protect your 2 drop, or something. scyther is an example of a great card that could potentially take grim's place. or angel of the word since pings are always good
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>>184335348
wtf is that fetish?
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>>184335348
What sexual favors would Vampy give to keep spawn?
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>ALICE DIDN'T GET NERFED
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING MEEEEEARARLAKJRJFSDHFIUDSHFUIHSDIFGASGFS
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>>184335348
I want to draw something like this but can't because /svg/ will find my pixiv. Sad
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>>184335569
rape?
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>>184335375
vania (male), tsunder demon, scyther, shadow last words off the top of my head
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>>184335587
looking at how shit turn out, not enough. She should have sold all her holes.
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Will Ouroboros still be viable?
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They shouldn't even nerf gobbo leader. Neutral engine is the only reason why forest still has 4% and sword still has 6% playrate. Nerfing them will make those 2 classes non-existent.
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>>184335686
>Cygames making her suck her dick
are you implying Cygames is a female?
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>>184335635
Goblin leader being nerfed is an indirect nerf to alice, though now instead of buffing potentially 4 units it will be 3 at best, still stupid as fuck and most likely nerf material for next month if the Neutral package evolve into a super agro deck and not so midrangy as it was with Neutral blood.
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>>184335348
>Luna sucking dicks
D0?
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Once the nerfs go live, should I vial the one Snow White I have for a second Echtar or keep it just in case
inb4 kill yourself
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>>184335664
just do it, nobody gives a shit who you are.
>>184335857
maybe cygames is forcing luna to autofellatiate.
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what time does the update drop?
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>>184335686
>sexual favors to prevent something cygames has the right to do
>rape
tumblr pls
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>>184335753
>will 8 pp Demonic Strike be viable?
What do you say to that?
As a swordbab, that's my favorite nerf of the set.
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>>184335753
Viable as vial fodder. Who the hell wants to play a 8pp 4hp card?
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>>184335343
It's usually 3 or 4 hp after trading, so Levi/Halo Golem can take care of it
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>>184335949
>nobody gives a shit who you are.
It's serious business. You don't want to be associated with 4chan degenerates.
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Do you guys remember?
>Death's Breath
>you only have 8pp
>drop Ouro
>Cerb+Zombies face
>Eacthar+Zombies face

>drop Ouro
>Death's Breath, trade Ouro
>heal or drop Ouro again
>Party or Eachtar

>drop Ouro
>Thane, trade thane into Ouro
>if no evolve points Mimi into a follower trade into Ouro
>the board flood is still there, thane with his last word is still there
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>>184333449
Did my missions in solo and avoiding the game like the plague until the patch is live. The desperation in ranked must be unreal right now.
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>>184336145
OUROBRO SO BROKEN
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>>184336145
JUST
THEMIS
BRO
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>>184336167
ranked really isn't that bad since people figured out that shadow and rune are ok against blood and mixed in with some dragon and haven. or maybe i'm high enough that people don't need to grind for gm and just play for fun idk
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>Shadow second highest playrate and winrate in this meta
>untouched
>killed dragon preemptively instead
What is this bullshit?
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>shadow
>haven
>dragon
Which class should I bandwagon after the nerfs hit?
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>>184336529
The one that didn't get nerfed.
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>>184336501
Thank you.
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>>184336375
>Themis fucking Thane
>Eachtar or whatever plus 0pp ward bane next turn
Even as Haven I can have so much Themis!
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>>184335635
Guaranteed they didn't do simply because they didn't want to give out too many vials at once. Anyone who unstars them is being foolish.
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>>184336529
>dragon
lol
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>>184336501
they clearly decided on all the nerfs like 2 weeks ago and didn't bother changing them after shadow resurgence
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>>184336501
Don't forget that tournaments are also filled with Shadow and Blood.
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MY GRIMNIR JO DECK
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>SatanCat so close to GM
If he didn't meme with neutral Forest the other day he could have made it!
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>>184336624
All of them got nerfed recently or in the near future
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>>184336501
Dragon mirrors are bad for their esports as they are boring to watch. I guarantee that was the real reasoning.
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>>184336501
shadow was performing thanks to blood, dragon wasn't because of blood, what's so hard to understand
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>>184335753
>Will Ouroboros still be viable?
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>>184336752
Forest and Sword existing in the missions pool is why I won't turn off solo missions.
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>>184335871
>Goblin leader being nerfed
HaHaHA How? Leader got status boost and Alice can BUFF HAND.
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>>184336843
>implying shadow mirror is fun to watch

The only decks which are fun to watch are between forest and sword. Sword playing wards on curve trying to cuck forest out of a win while forest trying to outwit sword.
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>>184334230
Yeah. They don't have a summon engine to drive it and they don't have the draw engine to basically hand vomit very turn. I dunno how they made it work in testing

>>184334569
>Double legos per xpak while gold stays the same
>Destroy the meta so it's a chore to play and you can't play actual meme decks
>Dude here, have maybe one of two hundred and twenty two unique lego copies
>Dude we're going to keep nerfing around the problem and the nerfs wont even matter
>Dude out of 800 cards most of them are trash forever and we don't care
Are you?
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>>184336843
apparently there was a 30 minute dragon mirror in some major tournament recently
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B&B is such a bullshit card. The only reason it's balanced is because elf sucks.
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>>184334849
In what world do you find a 2pp 1/2, autorevive and evolve to 2/3 pseudorush okay?
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>>184336989
The nerf is that you can't go 1-2-3-4 anymore.
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>>184337009
Shadow mirrors atleast end fast and you have a lot minions unga bunga each other. Watching Dragons throw Ouros at eachother is the opposite of fast exciting explosive childrens cards games esports.
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>>184337071
Because these tournament are scripted. The players take 10 minutes to make a move.
>>
It's funny how you can immediately tell which posters in this general come from a mobage backgound and which come from a card game background.
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>>184337179
t. Johnny
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>>184336951
about solo missions, do they reward less coins?
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>>184335290
I'm having my third gawain today so yeah, he's good shit. It's a shame it's a highroll deck against most meta stuff but still goddamn when the wall(tm) goes up.... whew. Gettin the vapors just remembering my ambushes luminous mage

>>184335587
She gave everything anyone asked for and it
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The Dragon nerf made sense because Dragon was still very strong. Don't forget that Dragon had the second highest winrate before the Reaper nerfs, what means they probably ended up as stronger than Shadow after that happened. Dragon wasn't good in THIS meta, since Dragon's match up against Blood was horrendous, but it was definetely going to become good again after the nerfs.
The problem isn't that they went after Dragon, the problem is that they didn't go after Shadow as well.
>>
Recently started playing and I don't mind dropping some money on the game, considering the new premade decks coming out, anything good you guys would recommend?

Currently considering grabbing the Haven one 3x and making an Aegis deck, but the dragoncraft one seems good as well...
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>>184337117
>Can be damaged by followers crashing into it
>Can be transformed
>Can be banished
>Need 3 neutral cards for that to even be a thing

It is not even that good compare to broken shits other classes have.
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>>184337162
Just play Wiseman
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>>184336989
Goblin leader now overlaps with alice and typically won't come out until the enemy can already deal with it
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>>184337246
yes
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>>184337246
Yes, I generally average 60g a day from them. Usually between 40-80 a day + logins, which is worse than normal but you're done in 5 minutes.
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>>184321732
like you would put more than 2 baphomet in your deck for Cat
the only blood card for cat will probably be
1 baphomet
3 cat
3 claw
the rest will be neutral
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>>184336989
Leader was strong because of turn 3 Leader into turn 4 Alice, not by himself.
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>>184334973
>from Jew,
Yeah, you're from Mexico.
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>>184335905
You can buy eachtar you retard. Snow white is still good for Elana and target immune stat boost decks
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>>184337225
The eSport underages all act autistic and are worse than solitarie craft when playing.
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>>184337402
>no bkb
>no scarlet
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>soulcuck plays sv
>again
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>>184337071
There was one in JCG last meta where it went to reaper. Cygames obviously doesn't want that shit to exist.
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>>184337279
Kys Blood had the 2nd highest rate. Stop keklord. The problem is that you don't know shit.
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>>184337296
You'll never be able to make a Dragon deck as a new player. Don't bother.
The Haven pre-built is good. If people are right and Shadow goes back to being Tier 1, Dark Jeanne will definetely see a lot of play again. Also, Aegis still enables the best Control variant of Haven.
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>>184337117
God forbid something lasts one fucking turn christ
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>>184337516
It's an act at this point. "Lets tune in to soulcuck to see if he melts down again today."
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>>184335753
For the last time, yes. Grimnir nerf is a bigger deal for Dragon, really.
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>>184337304
>>184337406
I hope so.
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>>184337490
people have already consider cutting those for better Cat pull even before the nerf.
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>>184337279
Not a lot of people still ran ouroboros and still wont after getting better ramp cards. Nerfing grimnir wasn't the solution. Grimnir being good for everyone is a consequence of kikegames ignoring class card libraries and dumping decks constantly instead of fixing their curve
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>>184337564
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Which one between goblin leader and khaiza would be better for replacing leader on cat? I feel like the latter would clutter up the hand too much considering cat, am I wrong?
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>>184335635
Bapho obviously was more unbalanced than her or Sibyl or Eachtar. Thank you Cygames for those reasonable changes, you guys are the best.
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I probably shouldn't have waited until they announced they were removing easy mode.
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>>184337759
That's a lie, damn sheep. Every cancer bandwagoned Kys blood and were bragging about it. Discord even tried to hide it before the nerfs even came to light. Then the Dariafags showed up to beat Shadow and Kys.
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>>184337604
>turn 6 9/10
>take 9 hp the next turn
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>>184337516
the one and only entertaining western vialstream
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>>184337973
>official data is wrong because I said so
(You)
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>>184338125
Everyone said so. You're just a library rat.
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Since Baphomet got nerfed in place of Phantom Cat, I guess that makes him the scape-goat
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>>184337973
Holy shit, you are retarded.
Let me hear your pathetic excuse for this : https://rage-esports.jp/news/rage-vol-4-shadowverse-decklist
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>>184335664
I want this artist to draw his NEET Forte trying too hard to be lewd in her shirt + pants.
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>>184338125
>"for a tier 1 deck"
That was included because cancer employee-kun as mad over Dragoncucks in this thread.
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>>184338234
>Snek and Azazel died for this
What an unjust world
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>>184338306
Inconsistent deck, but still something like Atomy Win The Game if ramps. But rarely happens, and you can't trust tourney shitters also: Tournament =/=Ladder
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>>184338551
>>184338551
>>184338551
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>>184337117
B&B wouldn't be particularly broken if Elf twin assault didn't exist.

Right now it's easy mode for elves to just remove any real threats before dumping him
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>>184326729
Make him only a 7/7 on evolve.
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>>184330108
meanwhile eachtar is literally 22/14 for 7
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