/bbg/ - Bloodborne General

>>184073412
You're a chunky lad.

>>184073062
Arc scaling +65? how does that differ from the flat rated gems?
>>184073387
Ok see I have almost identical AR but if the percentage gems make that much of a difference I'll go for your. What glyph/boss did you get them from?
>>184073564
Yeah where did you find the first two gems?

requesting some help on lower pthum level 3 against rom the tedious spider

pass is rip

Blood minister Pavel, I'm Provost CIA.

Went to grab league oath lads, onward layer 3!

>>184073775
>Arc scaling +65? how does that differ from the flat rated gems?
Arc scaling increases scaling.

Arc damage +x just adds x damage at the very end of all other calculations.

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I have never seen Rom in the dungeons outside of Layer 3 of Lower Pthumeru, and I'm becoming increasingly certain by the day that this is just one long con against me that Rom exists in FRC.

>>184073796
Booting up, I'll SRRC in

>>184073775
Yeah the Arc scaling +65 gem. Cold Abyssals increase Arcane scaling, so it adds a % boost instead of Flat damage the Brainsucker gems offer.

>>184073964
Why not just look up a glyph?
I wasted my time killing rom for nourishing abyssals earlier today.

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>>184073910
So inspite of being at S scaling it will still increase with those gems? Neat.

>>184073964
Go to v5v5fpsd and you can see for yourself that Rom exists in FRCs.

>>184074109
Yes.

The letter you see is representative of a hidden number, and has no limit.

>>184074109
Letters are used as an estimation of scaling, S is already the highest so it doesn't change but scaling can still be increased.

>>184074084
great show kompeh

YOU TOO
re ringing haha..

Topkek, I could swear I wouldn't be hit by the axe.

>>184074625
Glad to help.

Change IDs to names in the settings

>>184074360
>>184074449
Wow ok so I take it then insofar as tentacle slaps are concerned, T20 cold abyssal are the best gems? And the way you guys got them are though kkvk8gsj, 4irp2fsr, or camejqft?

>>184073775
The Triangle is from Isz Ebrietas, the Radial is most likely an Isz Watcher OoS or a very lucky Arcane gem drop from Pthumeru Watchers.

>>184074673
Don't be ashamed of your ID, it's neat.

>>184074702
>T20 cold abyssal are the best gems?
Only one Cold Abyssal is necessary. Then you want a 27% and a whatever. Either a 24.8% from Ebrietas or if you're lucky an off-shape 27% from Watchers.

>>184074673
yknow it never mattered to me, but for you sure

>>184073818
Thanks Albatross and Hibiki. Greatly appreciated, you were fantastic

>>184074752
Yeah, it's not XxX_M4R14-_-TH3-_-H3DG3H0GXxX tier

>>184073775
The triangle gem is an Arcane Abyssal from Ebrietas, as you can see I have an OoS one of these in the first setup... I wouldn't recommend trying to get one yourself, I got very lucky. If you can't be bothered to farm Ebrietas for +15 flat arc secondary (it can be soul destroying) then try get a 27.2% Arcane triangle from Watchers instead (boring but not nearly as bad). I can't be bothered finding the glyph sorry, it shouldn't be too hard to find anyway.

My setups aren't great to aim for since they require ridiculous amounts of luck/grinding and OoS gems. I just posted them because you wanted to see ideal setups and both of those come very close.

If I were you I would go for the following setup (doesn't require any OoS gems).

>Radial - Whatever you can be bothered to get, Bone Ash Hunter gems are the 'best' but pretty tedious to grind for. I usually recommend 19.3% Nourishing gems from gargoyles as a super budget option.
>Triangle - Arcane Abyssal with +15 flat Arc, or 27.2% Arcane gem if you can't/don't want to get the +15 flat Arc secondary
>Radial - Cold Abyssal with ATK vs open foes

The Radial slots are the ones that can be further improved by grinding OoS gems. Ideally you replace the first radial slot with an OoS Arcane Abyssal, or 27.2% Arcane radial gem. The Cold Abyssal would also probably be marginally better with +15 flat Arc but would require you to get an OoS Cold Abyssal from Isz Elder since you can't get +15 flat Arc secondary in Loran.

Sorry for the wall of text. It's kinda hard to cover everything if you can't tell what gets are OoS just by looking at them. I'll try and answer any questions you have though.

>>184074752
It isn't about shame, it's about not wanting your ID permanently displayed to the cesspool that is /bbg/

>>184074702
It only needs one but since Radials that aren't Cold Abyssals are pretty rare drops you're most likely better off just sticking another in.

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>>184074752
O-Oh, thank you for the compliment. But like this anon said >>184074975 I'd prefer that my ID isn't displayed

bad luck Claire, we turned the lever, come back to the lamp and ring

Not my proudest moment, ringing again by boss gate

>>184074975
wow rude, I think we are a pretty good general

>>184075272
You're in denial. Or you've never been in here during Amerifat daytime hours.

>>184075374
Oh is it bad during that time? I'm usually only here between now and maybe 8 hours from now and it's always been cool.

>>184075501
>is it bad
Daytime /bbg/ makes me want to stop playing and sell my PS4.

bad luck you two, im back at the lamp!

Did you guys get him?

>>184075192
Shit man, I was so hard in pure dps mode I didn't realize how little hp I had left

You get her man?

>>184075272
>faction wars
>endless meta arguments
>the perfect storm that is the Segalt incident
>that one shitter who believes he's some sort of god because he can stomp Mensis scrubs and never proves anything, alongside rivaling our main resident faggot in posting exactly the same shit for any reason at all
>Sarah
It's not about what's on the surface, it's about what lies underneath. And it's bad. There's a reason I quit BB for a period of time before considering returning.

>>184075637
>him
kek, her*

>>184075645
Yo, Claire, would you mind telling me your build?

Your BoM hit like a truck, but you also have at least 28 Str and 15 Arc.

Is it just like, x/15/50/12/x/15?

>>184075671
I just coop and spelunk to avoid as much cancer as possible. Souls PvP autists are the worst.

>>184075978
It's about as effective as those drills they used to do here in Burgerland some fifty years ago, where you would crouch under your desk to protect yourself against the imaginary nuke coming down on your head.

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>>184075887
It's not a very good build but I put too much time into it to make a better optimized one.

I put at least one heavy abyssal on all my skill heavy weapons (cane, BoM, Rakuyo, etc.)

>>184076260
You deserve lewds of your character.

layer 3 report:
got very lost in the pre treasure room
little loot or much to see in main dungeon
the swinging axes claimed 3 victims, embarrassingly
pre boss treasure room was a giant swamp with one of each kind undead giant
roar gestures were had before we promptly left
abritas claimed both co-operators, but we got her on the second try
she dropped an arcane up 23.9%
with attack vs kin down
i had lots of fun on my first spelunk!
thanks to Flatus and Claire!

>>184076260
40/25

Jesus. I'm kinda glad you didn't make a new build to achieve 50/25, hah. All your shit hits super hard already.

Interesting that you have 20 End; I never felt too overmatched and I only have 9.

>>184076521
Are you a euro or a night owl amerifat, katka?

>>184076782
Owl Amerifat.
I was doing pretty good being awake during the day last week but I'm back on nocturnal again.

>>184076425
No problem man, it was fun.

>>184076521
Yeah, keep in mind this character dates back a long time, pre-DLC days, people were still pushing 15-20 end (complete meme of course, it basically does nothing).
If I ever were to remake the build I'd probably put all that extra end to get my vit up to 50, I don't think a 50 in str would make too much of a difference

>>184076425
My pleasure

>>184076920
>I don't think a 50 in str would make too much of a difference
That'd bring your sat. modifier up from .710 to .85. I guess, yeah, that's like 10% on most stuff. Kirk'd probably get a good 30 or 40 AR.

>>184076862
Is there a reason why you like doing the Loran spelunks the most, or is it just your preference?

>>184077345
Loran's got the best enemy variety IMO. Isz is my favorite aesthetically, but it's just brainsuckers and NPC hunters.

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Anyone need help?

>>184077652
I do.
With my life.

Is it gay to pick a random root chalice to spelunk?

>>184077440
I actually like Ihyll chalices too because they seem the most difficult to me. I wish I could spelunk right now but I won't be home until tomorrow. Probably going to host 3 or 4 when I get back.

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>>184077684
I can help with that.

By ending it.

>>184077783
that's what i just did

>>184077876
That would be just fine, frankly.

>>184077783
I don't see how it could be, anon.

>>184077791
Ihyll does have the highest enemy damage modifiers and stuff IIRC, but absolutely loathe the Pthumeru tileset, especially after taking several characters through the story chalices.

>>184077783
No, but I would tell people the glyph wasn't new if I was intending to summon people from here. Not that people really care anyway, I just prefer to explore brand new glyphs personally because there's a chance of seeing something no one's seen before.

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roast me?

>>184078307
Your stats don't make any fucking sense dude

>>184078006
Would you ever consider streaming your FRC experiences?

>>184078307
It's obviously your first build m8, so it's expected to be shit.

>>184078307
First build, I suppose?

>>184077273
Exactly my point, it only really pays off on the really hard hitting stuff and even then by a fairly negligible amount, while my hp with a clockwise would bump up by about 130.

>>184076398
T-thank you anon, I'm sure your character is nice too

>>184077783
Not at all, the odds of you running into a chalice your co-opers have already seen is slim to none.

That being said, it is kinda neat to know you're treading all new ground that absolutely no one has ever set foot in before, might even stumble across a new bossless chalice or guidance 3

Who is the biggest cum starved beast of the general?

>>184079253
We all know the answer to this

>>184078540
I don't think I have the charisma, honestly.

>>184078762
Yeah that's fair logic. I've considered capping my main scaling stat at 47 for .80x(4, I think) to use the extra 3 points for other stuff.

Going from 43 to 50 vit is very probably a better investment than 40 to 50 Str, but, maybe 44/47 would be a good compromise. I mean you could free up potentially 11 points from your End.

But, yeah, it's just theorycrafting.

>>184077953
>>184078006
>>184078259
>>184078916
Thanks, I might make one later then. I would make a fresh one but I lack several materials.

>>184079363
Or better yet put those handful of extra points into arc to get it to 20, thus unlocking gloves, auger, and BSE.
Granted they wouldn't be very strong, but they'd be good utility tools for pvp to set up baits.

Which would leave about two extra points to round vit up to 45 so so we have nice clean numbers

>>184079363
I'd take skill and game knowledge over some guy sitting there saying yo yo yo xxxfagboixxx welcome to the stream my man.

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>>184079253
>Actually asking this question

Come on now..

>need good triangle gems
>27.2 phys up durability down first try
guess im not getting a good gem for a few years

>>184079654
Yeah, true.

I'm bored s I'm gonna do some half-asleep math on the difference between Kirkhammer, Rakuyo, and Saif at 50/25 and 40/25.
I forgot how much I hate figuring AR on two-stat weapons.

>>184079282
>>184079746
Oh yes I think we all do, didn't even have to say the name and we all knew

>>184078380
yes
>>184078601
>>184078736
nice detective work nonetheless anons.
my reasoning was this
I wanted to try out the items/spells,
and i occasionally like to finish off enemies safely with the pistol.
I leveled up skill because I read it increases visceral attack damage, and prior to that didn't know a whole lot about weapon scaling, but more points in arcane might have been a good move instead with the hunters axe.

Why is the Amygdalan Arm so fun?

>>184079838
Please stop bullying me.

>>184080031
You love it though

>>184079801
AR math is a fucking hellhole, I just figure out the "good enough" math and leave it at that, otherwise my room would look like a stereotypical PI office from a noir film

>>184080202
Arc makes it so much easier since you only need to figure Arc scaling and saturation and nothing else.

The extra step with Phys weapons of figuring Skl scaling is basically like doing a second weapon.

Spelunk?

Glyph is zpkk93ui and pass is bbg234

>>184080459
Coming

>>184080101
I'll fight you, I swear it.
>>184080459
Coming!

>>184080459
I'll join you

>>184080507
>>184080530
>>184080568
>3 responses

You'll have to fight amongst yourselves for a slot

>>184080364
I just use Mugenmonkey to figure out the "close enough" stats

>>184080619
He would've had four but I'm doing math.

>>184080530
Even if you did try to fight me, all I'd have to do is throw a pungent cum cocktail to get you away from me.

>>184080732
There isn't even an item in the game called that!

>>184080832
Stop roleplaying.

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>try to make golden haired lady
>end up making a middle aged woman

W I T C H E D

>Successfully spot illusory wall
>Rewarded with 2 ritual blood(5)'s

th-thanks Miyazaki

>>184074748
>an Isz Watcher OoS or a very lucky Arcane gem drop from Pthumeru Watchers.
What's the difference between merciless watchers in isz(something like 5pwujscd I assume?) and watchers in a pthumeru dungeon?
>>184074969
So my waning ought to be Cold abyssal, my triangle breezy 24.8 or an arcane 27.2 from isz watchers, and my rad is to be an OoO isz watcher 27.2, an OoS abyssal arcane from breezy, or a 23.1 from some ash hunte somewhere? And I want most if not all of this with flat 15s?

Why did I think that was a good idea

Does anyone else make or get art of their Hunters or is it just me and do I have a massive problem?

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The difference between 50/25 and 40/25, broken down as simply as possible while showing my possibly/probably erroneous work.

Heavy+15, 27, 27 (1.617984)
50/25
40/25
Kirkhammer


>210+(210*1.65*.85)+(210*.29*.5) =

>210+294.525+30.45 =

>1.617984(534.975) =

865 +15 (Holy FUCK)

>210+(210*1.65*.710)+(210*.29*.5) =

>210+246.015+30.45 =

>1.617984(486.465) =

817 +15

Rakuyo

>164+(164*.65*.85)+(164*1*.5) =

>164+90.61+82 =

>1.617984(336.61) =

545 +15

>164+(164*.65*.710)+(164*1*.5) =

>164+75.686+82 =

>1.617984(321.686) =

520 +15

Saif

>180+(180*.95*.85)+(180*.7*.5) =

>180+145.35+63 =

>1.617984(388.35) =

628 +15

>180+(180*.95*.710)+(180*.7*.5) =

>180+121.41+63 =

>1.617984(364.41) =

589 +15

>tfw L1 HBLB

Nice job dudes, L2 now. RIP Cum-starved beast

>>184081654
You want two Radial slots for a normal Parasite setup, forget about Waning unless you get an OoS drop and end up needing a Waning slot to use it. Other than that yeah, you got it. I made a couple mistakes in my post but I don't think it really matters.

>>184082302
he probably enjoyed getting bullied twice

>>184082275
What's the formula?

>>184082459

I don't know how to note it correctly (which brackets go inside/outside), but:

(Base Damage + [Base Damage * Str Scaling * Saturation] + [Base Damage * Skl Scaling * Saturation]) * Gem1 * Gem 2 * Gem 3

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>>184082302
>>184082369
R E E E E E E E

>>184082275
It's better to use 2 HA on the Rakuyo and the Saif.

>>184083207
Well I ain't doing all that shit again lol.

Not tonight, anyway.

>>184083075
make that a third time!

>>184082275
So about a 50 damage increase the the most, not bad, but still seems like there's a lot better things to invest those points into.

oh dear

>Eating two counter-hits at once

This layer is pretty neat so far though, I really like when the main area leads into the pre-boss area. There's also at least 1 extra treasure room in the main room as well (the one I died in)

fastest wipe to that boss ive seen

>Cat dashes into the void immediately
>turn to look and gesture
>get dunked by Darkbeast into the void

Oh boy I'm laffin

>>184085085
pls no bully im new

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>>184085085
>>184085326

>>184081654
Isz Watchers drop Triangles and have a higher droprate for Fire/Bolt/Arcane gems. In Pthumeru those are very rare and Radials are the main shape.

>>184085491
DELET

>>184081217
that picture is 100% accurate. Emerald herald a shit.

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>>184085491

N-NANI?

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need 1 more for vicar, ringing in cath ward near lamp
password is bbg

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>>184082302
>Invaded three times and lost three times
>Try to invade again
>Accidentally click SRRC co-op and end up waiting 10 minutes to find the host
>mfw I just realized my mistake when I finally got summoned as a co-op buddy instead of an invader

>>184085760
Coming!

Nice, that run went a lot smoother :^) Thanks for coming along cat and Albatross, I had a lot of fun. Sorry for not really bothering with layer reports, there was just a load of materials and that's about it.

oh my gosh
i wanted some bolt gems and i get
bolt atk up 23.1%, fire atk +15 with wep durability down
thanks for letting me play yuria, it was a lot of fun!
sorry im BAD

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>>184085491

>>184086053
I'm pretty sure I died like 3 times in that spelunk, don't worry about it. At least our deaths were funny. Congrats on the find

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thanks albatross and cheese
t.jack

>>184086241
Anytime! Anywhere else you'd like to ring at or will that be it?

>tfw don't know whether to make a skl, wheel or blt build next

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>>184086305
when I reach witches, sure
i gotta go and grab the prostitute, then witches, then switch to night, woods to iosefka's invite
cainhurst to unopened summons, stone to nightmare finish that
then finish alfred's story etc etc

>>184073412
How do i solo queen yharnam?

Holy shit. How do i into bloodletting beast? That fucking range and that foot stomp is too much.

>>184086494
Let me know when you're up for it and I'll ring.

>>184086616
ringing at the bell before the witches forest if you wanna come with

>>184086559
Remember to dodge when you hear the baby cry for the second time in a row. She's easy once you learn that.

Anyone neee aome coop friendo?

Just got home from work and I need my comfy dungeon romp

>>184086647
Wh-where? You mean at the lamp or?

>>184086647
>>184086616
hemwick was the name
im at hemwick with the same password as before: bbg

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Found another one of these weird gems during the spelunk. It's a shame I can't convert my gun, as retarded as it would be. The first one I found only had flat phys damage, so it's kinda neat to be able to get elemental damage on a gun, even though it's completely useless. It doesn't even show the fire effect when I shoot stuff.

>>184086559
Finally got her. Fucking bitch queen.

>>184086560
Unlock while attacking, lock on to face him. Attack after dodging his attacks, iirc his right leg is the one that stomps so don't stick around it for too long. His hitboxes can be fucky but he has very predictable patterns. You'll want to stay in front of him most of the time and dodge under to attack.

>>184086745
I'd like to keep spelunking but I just don't have enough materials to make another glyph

>>184086310
What's going on here

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Thanks guys, meet me at the forbidden woods lamp, rushing to watchers

>>184087319
I'll ring there next, are we speedrunning through it?

>>184086929
Elemental via circulars doesnt work on guns. The damage literally isnt added though it says it is

I farmed a 70 flat arcane circlemsave scumming a chest for nearly a week to test

Did nothing

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>>184087361
yeah, i can always run back through NG later for stuff I didn't get

>>184087369
That would have been hilariously broken if it had worked.

>>184087458
Yeah, 2k a shot blunderbuss wpuldve been the tits

goddammit, ringing again

Yeah i can't deal with bloodletting beast. Anybody want to srrc? Pass is bbqq.

>>184087838
Ringing

What's the worst/hardest FRC boss? Darkbeast? Descendent?

>>184087886
Thanks brother confederate. He's a bitch for sure. Not sure how you manage but that's awesome.

>>184088096
th-that wasn't me

I-I'm fine

If you add flat arcane to the reiter, will it start scaling more damage from it with arcane stat?

>>184088067
Anything is worse especially in Curse Chalice. But Camerabeast takes the cake for sure.

>>184088067
Those two are definitely up there, but I dread Darkbeast more. HMPH can go down somewhat easy with Exe Gloves and a Rapid Poison Wheel, or just parrying.

meet me at the breynworth lamp next or however you spell it

>>184088156
Really? Sorry then...

>>184088178
You can't convert split weapons, and flat damage doesn't scale.

>>184087290
look up at the feet

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>>184088326

>THAT room up the treasure area just before chalice rom

You know that room

It gives me PTSD every time

Oookay uhm, i gotta iosefka for summons, meet me at cainhurst lamp, will be a few minutes so make a sandwich or smth idk

>>184088616
I always ignore that room, I don't think it has anything important.

>>184088616
Unironically my favourite Lower Pthu room

can i leave eileen alone for a bit so i can prepare to kill crowsteel? or what?

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>>184088703
Don't wait for me. I'm going to sleep. Also Cheese, you were invisible that whole time in Byrgenwerth.

>>184088901
>4 insight

Well there's your problem. Also rest well, Alba

>>184088839
Yes

>>184088616
>kenshiro, you finishing up those enemy ai assets.

>yes koji, why you want to place an enemy? How many you need?


ALL

OF

THEM

on the carriage to cainhurst now
pw is bbg

>>184089262
I'm still ringing by lamp

t. cake

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>>184088386
Holy shit someone else that uses that image. Dope

>>184089823
I mean that image has been around the internet for quite a while

>>184089859
I just don't see it often on the thread my bad, my newfag is showing

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Alright uhh cake im gonna alfred this bitch up and grab a helmet, then gonna run to yarghul lamp, meet me there? my weapon's p. garbage btw

>>184090013
Is there a slot?

>>184090013
yeah, its me and cake, albatross had to go to bed
leveling and running this character in contrast to my bt vilecuck jack build

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>>184090013
I can probably do one or two more areas before heading to bed myself

>mfw 4 AM in the morning

>>184090104
Oh, what's the pass again? And you mean the first lamp in Yahar'gul, yeah?

>>184090202
yeah, pass is bbg
tping to log's seat now then gonna go back to cath ward to pick executioner oath, then gonna run to the lamp

that was embarassing

meet me at the 2nd lantern

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What did Miyazaki mean by this?

Okay, im beginning my search for the weirdest fucking dungeon i can find, starting with the first

Creating an ihyll root, pass is bbgz

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REEEEEEEEEEEEE

thanks both of you

>>184091508
I'm off to bed, anon. Was fun to just run through the areas, it was a nice change of pace from the usual sessions

Cake out

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>>184091605

>>184089859
IF I SEE THAT FUCKING CAT ONE MORE TIME

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>>184091689

>>184073412
Does ng+ affect the chalices?

>>184092439
no

>>184092485
Okay gonna start ng+ then

>>184092439
yes

>>184092439
no, if they did the chalices would be near impossible

Weird sneaky trap room

>>184092792
weird sneaky cheesecake room

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r8

>>184093207
it's a man in a dress/10

>>184093289
i cant into sliders

Why is the moon presence so weak?

>>184093207
>yupiel
needs to be smugger

>>184093531
We get there way too "overgemed" nowadays.

>>184093531
why is the moon presence so anticlimatic

>>184092805
kek this

Cheesecake is best waifu

Bsbs grab can go fuck itself

>>184094672
Its so telegraphed tho. He stops moving and you can predict it.

>>184094181
Fuck off egg

so is the spelunking pass /bbg / or bbg?

>>184095083
the password is fear the old blood

>>184095083
it's whatever you want it to be

>>184095083
password is whatever the host wants

Albatross best waifu

t. emma

Someone asked in the last thread whether the Charred Hunter set was based on the Hunter Set or the Yharnam Hunter set. The description for the Hunter Set and the Charred Hunter Set both say "One of the staple articles of hunter attire, fashioned at the workshop." Presumably this was the Old Workshop, and the purge of Old Yharnam was what triggered Lawrence to set up the Church Hunters and put Ludwig rather than Gehrman in charge of the whole thing.

What I can't understand is where the Executioners fit in. The set description says "Later became that basis for all Church attire, with its heavy draping of Holy Shawl." This leaves scenarios:

1) The Executioners were contemporaneous with Gehrman's hunters. The attack on Cainhurst happened before the introduction of the Church Hunters, who then based their outfits on the Executioners.
2) The Executioners were formed under Ludwig, and the Church Hunters were introduced later- maybe when the Yharnam Hunters proved incapable of controlling the beasts?
3) The Church Hunters started with one outfit, and later changed to a second in honour of the Executioners.

>>184088067
Rom is the worst FRC boss - even if you die less, you spend more time fighting, which is the only thing that matters.

tfw never anyone's waifu

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>>184073412
TELL ME ABOUT MICOLASH, WHY DOES HE WEAR THE CAGE?

>>184095289
Same here. It feels great tbqh

>>184074748
fuck off.

>>184095409
Something something antenna to communicate with great ones.
Too bad those retards forgot they don't speak english.

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>>184095538
I was just memeing, I know the in-universe reason why he does wear the cage.

>>184095216
>3) The Church Hunters started with one outfit, and later changed to a second in honour of the Executioners.

I think this might be it because in Research Hall, which is supposed to take in the past with the Healy Wheely Church being more powerful than they are at the start of the game, you have a Church assassin that's wearing the Yahar'gul black garb, which suggests that what is now considered "Yahar'gul garb" was what regular church hunters wore. And indeed, the Yahar'gul garb is categorized under "Church" garb in the inventory, lending further credence to this theory.

So maybe when the split between Healy Wheely Church and Mensis happened, Mensis stuck with the old garb either for distinction purposes or because the split happened before the executioner wear became the "standard wear" for Church Hunters.

>>184093531
Originally you were only supposed to have one go at it

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>>184093207
Girl next door level beautiful. Personally I like it

Best glyph to farm offshapes?
Isz preferably

>>184096712
damn, that sounds amazing, why did they change it?

>>184096818
4bl20zit

>>184096860
Casuals

tfw you'll never touch albatross's long hard pick

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>>184096864
>tfw high on le dude lmao rn and am not sure if you are memeing or I just see things

>>184097028
Im serious.

>>184096864
is this an actual fucking glyph
no bullshit /bbg/, please tell me

>>184096941
>muh casuals
Only having one shot at the boss is incredibly stupid due to the number of shit that can happen like power outages / controller failures and having to go to NG+ because "lmao such hardcore having only one shot at a boss you've never encountered before xD" would suck shit for every except the 0.2% of people who jerk their tiny dicks off for getting it on the first blind try.

You deserve all the ATK down gems for this post.

>>184097104
It is, I farm there all the time

Pre-Gazpacho Iosefka doesn't let you into the clinic ostensibly to protect her patients. But the thing is, she doesn't have any patients. You haven't seen any when you were exiting the clinic. If you use the glitch to get there, there are no patients there. When you get into the clinic from the Forbidden Woods, not only are there no patients, the only emissary is evidently Iosefka herself, which means that no patients were in the clinic when the impostor took over. Clearly she's lying and there must be another reason why you aren't allowed to enter. So what is up with that?

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Hey /bbg/. Posting in here because /dsg/ is now nothing but a cesspool of players who didn't even start with II but maybe Scholar at best and say things like "who is Gough".

Quick question: correct me if I'm wrong, but as a phantom without miracles, the Sanctus is the only item in the entirety of DaS that -passively- regenerates your health, isn't it? There were numerous that stacked in DeS and DaS II had some similar. However, the only way I seem to know of to heal myself in DaS effectively if there's no time as a phantom is with a healing item (which of course there are only 4 of in that game, one I can't use as a host).

Effigy shield have any effect like that or is the FTH requirement just because it's one of the best shields in the game across the board?

Image unrelated. Answer appreciated.

>>184097380
There are no patients there because you're not supposed to be there before the forbidden woods, you silly billy

>>184097380
You can still glitch into it? I thought they patched that out a while ago

>>184097380
Other patients are the ayys in the woods

>>184097426
>>>/vg/dsg

>>184093207

Not a terrible face but admittedly, I don't like BB and DaS III's character creation. Everyone ends up looking like they came out of a sauna five seconds ago all the time and skin colors are hard to determine before starting the game.

>>184097436
That's not my main argument. The main argument is that there's only a single emissary there.

>>184097448
You can't do it any more; but I really don't think that they also added patients there.

Where do I go to find the brain of mensis after i release it into the void?

>>184097571
Oh, sorry, i misunderstood you. Im pretty tired.

>>184097509
That's a cool theory, but they're really fucking far from the poison cave, in a narrow dead end. I thought they were connected to Byrgenwerth, which is much closer, or to the Old Labyrinth, which is directly underneath them and where they can be found in the wild.

>>184097523
calm down
reminder that bbg shouldn't exist and that we should have had a fromsoft general in the first place

>>>184097426
no, there are no other items, that's why the host gets tons of flask uses and is supposed to heal you

>>184097426
>the Sanctus is the only item in the entirety of DaS that -passively- regenerates your health, isn't it?

That is correct. There's a weapon called "Server" which restores health when you hit enemies with it but that's basically it for regen.

The lack of regen in DaS1 is due to Demon's Souls having fucking insane regen so they kinda went overboard in the opposite direction. I think DS3 achieved a good middle ground for this.

If you're a phantom your best bet is to grind humanities from rats in the Depths or from the DLC area when you get to it(the DLC area is the best place for farming humanities by far). The humanities are an instant full heal.

>>184097426
i'd help you but i've only played bloodborne in like one year and i haven't been playing Das in like 3 years so i really don't know the answer, sorry

>>184096402
The problems with that are:
1) You also have White Church and Black Church hunters in the same area, which hints that the clothing was there at the start of the Church.
2) The Yahar'gul hunter is probably supposed to be a prisoner. However, this implies that Mensis and the Church were at odds very early on, which causes other problems.
3) Mensis is technically part of the Church, so grouping it under Church garb sort of makes sense. Isn't the Mensis cage also a Church item?
There probably isn't a decent answer to this one, though.

>>184097380
I thought there was a half-transformed Celestial Emissary on one of the operating tables (it's been suggested that this might be the blood minster who treats you at the start of the game, as there's a wheelchair nearby). There are also a few Emissaries wandering round the Forbidden Woods- but how would they have got there so fast from the clinic?

>>184097668
I dont want to share a general with newfags who only have played dark souls 3 you faggot.

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>>184097668
>tfw no /frog/

>>184097426
>>184097668
>>184097692

In addition the "co-op miracles" in DS1 suck dick compared to the later entries. The only AoE heals are locked behind a useless fag enabler covenant that only really has those co-op miracles and if a host made it all the way to the area where you can get them, they should be able to heal phantoms with their Estus.

One thing that DS2 did really well was make most healing miracles have an AoE for co-op phantoms as well.

>>184097380
My theory:
The ayy lmao who drops Iosefka's Blood is actually not Iosefka, but the homeless looking man who gave you the initial blood transfusion. Meanwhile, the actual Iosefka went mad from using the Third Umbilical Cord and her personality changed dramatically. In fact, your observation strengthens this theory: she wasn't letting you in because she was fiddling with the Third Umbilical Cord, and you weren't supposed to see that. This is the only adequate theory that explains why the two doctors look identical.

>>184097763
how did that thread go?

>>184097913
Exactly as you imagine

>>184098117
Pcuck shitposting?

>>184097763
>This Happened
Yeah and idiots let it happen because they let PC "players" shitpost with 4kings level of annoyance constantly. I made those threads and it had several successful runs, other times a complete joke because PC would scream and shitpost because Bloodborne was actually being discussed.

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>>184097716
>Isn't the Mensis cage also a Church item?
I *think* (because I don't have the wiki on hand) the Mensis cuck cage is "other" instead of Church.

>The Yahar'gul hunter is probably supposed to be a prisoner
But he's using a Church Pick.

>>184097380
>You haven't seen any when you were exiting the clinic
You only have access to a tiny part of the clinic before you exit the place for the first time.

>>184097573
There are two cage elevators in the area with the Lost Children and Mergo's Station attendants inside the building after the Church hunter on the lower bridge. Go into the one that's furthest away from the lamp and it takes you to the Brain.

>>184098151
Worse, everyone shitposting.

>>184095216
I personally believe that Ludwig started off as an executioner (he's still wearing the Executioner set, even in his transformed state), and then became a hunter for the Church. The Executioner set became the basis for the White and Black church sets, while Ludwig designed the Yharnam Hunter set and all of its derivatives. The Church sets were worn by actual clerics, while the Hunter sets were relegated to the regular Yharnamites recruited by Ludwig. There's a big difference, isn't it?
I personally believe that Logarius had been an executioner since before the time of the Old Hunters, because he doesn't fight like a hunter and has no trick weapon. His looks indicated that he was a very old man when he sacrificed himself.

>>184096402
>I think this might be it because in Research Hall, which is supposed to take in the past with the Healy Wheely Church being more powerful than they are at the start of the game, you have a Church assassin that's wearing the Yahar'gul black garb, which suggests that what is now considered "Yahar'gul garb" was what regular church hunters wore.
I personally don't think that's the case, there are many hunters in this prison, all of them church hunters, and they all wear different sets. The one you're talking about is presumably Antal, who's a defector anyway.
>And indeed, the Yahar'gul garb is categorized under "Church" garb in the inventory, lending further credence to this theory.
That's because the School of Mensis is one of the two ruling organisations of the Church, even though they went rogue at some point.

>>184098232
>You only have access to a tiny part of the clinic before you exit the place for the first time.
Not so tiny - it includes the largest patient room. That's not my only evidence at any rate.

Is there any way to access the area with the the Winter Lanterns in Mensis when you're an invader?

>>184097907
That's a bit far-fetched, don't you think? I don't think Miyazaki would give Iosefka's vial to a character who is actually not supposed to be Iosefka.

i'm fucking dying

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>>184097913
>>184098117
>>184098151
>>184098220
>>184097763

As much as the Pcucks are annoying, console elitism is equally retarded. Pretty much nobody plays DS1 or DS2 on the consoles and a console only thread would become a really tiny circlejerk that's spread across 4 games. It's not rocket science really, if you go out of your way to act obnoxious toward any particular platform, all the sane people will laugh at you and move on instead of playing along with the platform war bullshit.

>>184097668
>reminder that bbg shouldn't exist and that we should have had a fromsoft general in the first place

Fuck no. /dsg/ is a shithole because you have all the hardcore fanboys for DS1 / DS2 / DS3 all in the same thread and a lot of the times the threads are just DS2fags trollshielding on DS3fags or vice versa.

/bbg/ is comfy because everyone is here to discuss one game only so there is no need go do autistic shitposts dedicated to ranking the games.

>>184098587
>Pretty much nobody plays DS1 or DS2 on the consoles
Even nowadays it's still more active than PC versions where you have a 3rd party malware add-n that tells you how many people are online.
>/dsg/ is a shithole because you have all the hardcore fanboys for DS1 / DS2 / DS3 all in the same thread and a lot of the times the threads are just DS2fags trollshielding on DS3fags or vice versa.
And guess why? Because of PCucks. Learn some facts before speaking kid.

>>184098587
>if you go out of your way to act obnoxious toward any particular platform, all the sane people will laugh at you and move on instead of playing along with the platform war bullshit
The problem is that there are very few sane people on 4chan, you just need a single comment about which platform is better to completely derail a thread.

>>184098449
Can you operate the shortcut elevator before the elevator that takes you to Wet Nurse? Because if you can, you could probably go into the window and get through the area where you drop the Brain of Mensis and access both areas by falling down the hole. The question is why would you want to do that.

>>184098546
He also wouldn't give the same model to two completely different characters.

>>184098792
That's the problem, that elevator doesn't work for invaders. Is there any other way to get there?

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>>184098726
>Even nowadays it's still more active than PC versions
Can you show me the statistics?

>And guess why? Because of PCucks. Learn some facts before speaking kid.
Put your trip back on Lucifer. And it's not really a "fact", just an assumption that can't be proved to the contrary because there isn't a timeline where DaS2 and 3 were not released on the PC.

But I've been around when DS1 was the newest game and PS3 elitists were butthurt about "xniggers" getting a hold of their exclusive even before the rants about "PCfags" started to go around because there was no PC release yet.

So from that basis my assumption is that pc release or not, the ds2 / ds3fags would be at each others' throats regardless.

>>184099039
>DS1 was the newest game and PS3 elitists were butthurt about "xniggers
Literally never happened. Keep making shit up though.

>>184099039
>my assumption is that pc release or not, the ds2 / ds3fags would be at each others' throats regardless.
You are absolutely correct.

>>184098881
>Is there any other way to get there?
For an invader? Nope. I guess the only way you could get there if you tricked the host to come into the elevator with you lmao.

Maybe there's a glitch I'm unaware of but I haven't found it.

>>184091080
The ascension of mankind begins with a fall.

I want to spelunk with you but I do t think it's safe. You'll see my perfect build and flawless skill at the game and probably kill yourself. I didn't know if I can risk that.

>>184097907
Depends how far you're willing to accept evidence out of game, but:
1) You're not supposed to be able to see much of the original Iosefka, which means "voice changing" rather than "same actor acting differently" probably means "different person"
2) The second actress in the credits is "imposter Doctor" (not Iosefka, interestingly), and an imposter passes themselves off as someone or something they're not
3) If every other Emissary drops something related to what they were (e.g. sedatives, Arianna's shoes), it seems odd that the minister would drop Iosephka's blood and not, say, ordinary vials.

>>184098232
Other Yahar'gul hunters use Church weapons, though- the ones guarding the Village have the Tonitrus and Ludwig's Rifle. On reflection, I think the fact that he's got his weapons on him rather than being disarmed is probably the best indication he's not a prisoner in the same way that the Choir member in the Hypogean Gaol is.
Like Yamamura and Brador, he's probably a Hunter that went mad and had to be preventatively detained by the Church. But I think the balance is in favour of him being a hunter working for Mensis, and not an example of what all early Church Hunters look like.

If we go with the idea that there's early Church Hunters and post-Executioners Church Hunters, maybe the only difference between outfitsis the added shawl. However, I think this:
>>184098343
makes a lot of sense. The idea that Executioners, Gehrman and the Powder Kegs all co-existed with separate workshops fits with the description of the Executioners having their own workshop, "a secretive enclave of mystical beliefs and heady fanaticism". If they'd come in with the Yharnam Hunters, they wouldn't have needed to be secretive and they could easily have shared the Healing Church Workshop.

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This game is so addictive. I love the whole Souls series but I tend to find them a bit gruelling to play, like it takes something out of me so I can only play them for so long in one go. Meanwhile I can play Bloodborne all day long, even though it's more horrific and depressing, with more disgusting enemies.

>>184099782
Agree with everything.

>>184099789
For me it's addictive because of the hunter slick movement which change the pace of the game considerably. The weapon though not as many is still unique on their own. And though not well-received by many, i love Chalice dungeon just because i like grinding for gems.

>>184099634
Same here but in English

>>184099782
>You're not supposed to be able to see much of the original Iosefka, which means "voice changing" rather than "same actor acting differently" probably means "different person"
Even so: why would Iosefka-2 put on Iosefka-1's clothes on even though clearly no one is supposed to see her? Isn't it a bit of an overkill?
>The second actress in the credits is "imposter Doctor" (not Iosefka, interestingly), and an imposter passes themselves off as someone or something they're not
The credits actually don't name a whole bunch of characters by the name (Eileen and Gilbert come to mind). As for Iosefka-2 being an impostor doctor - well, it's sure isn't medicine that she's doing behind the closed doors.
>3) If every other Emissary drops something related to what they were (e.g. sedatives, Arianna's shoes), it seems odd that the minister would drop Iosephka's blood and not, say, ordinary vials.
Well, he did work in Iosefka's clinic after all, so it would make sense that he would drop the type of blood used in this clinic.

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Why didn't you just fly to the Moon Presence on the crows?

noob from yesterday here.

I farmed some blood shards and managed to buy the complete yarnhaim set. now I have 1700 blood left and wonder what I should do with it. I can upgrade my weapon I think (Im using the axe + pistol) or I could upgrade my stats

>>184100735
weapon of course. Stats if you know what are you doing. Don't summon again for first playthrough you filthy casual.

>>184100735
Weapon is the priority, not the gun the melee one. With spare blood echoes (after you've levelled and upgraded stuff), it's a good idea to stockpile healing items and bullets. They get more expensive as the game goes on and you'll go through periods where you just burn through them.

You'll want 10k for the item that opens the gate in the Cathedral Ward too.

>>184100735
Weapon upgrades matter more at the start than upgrading your stats. You can get your Axe up to +3 before you require Twin Blood Stone shards.

>>184100735
if you ever need to farm you are doing it wrong
dont summon on your first run you idiot
read the fucking first link in the op then gtfo

Brittle ceramic doll penis.

>>184101060
>>184100908
what do you mean with summon?

>>184101307
getting another player to beat the game for you

>>184101401
why did you think I did that? did I write anything about that in my first post?

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>>184098587
>/bbg/ is comfy

>>184101442
there was a new guy a few days ago summoning for the first boss, i thought that was you

>>184101506
no that wasnt me. I just started playing yesterday

>>184101459
Not him but last thread was comfy af, we were discussing lore and stuff. It was great

SEGALT IS

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>>184101459
Well it's comfy compared to /dsg/ ds1/ds2/ds3 fanboys trying to establish their favorite game as the best in the series in order to be the King Shit ruling over Retard Mountain.

Yeah, this general has some dumb shit like the Segalt drama and some of the fc gossip girling is gay a fuck but overall we're pretty comfy.

>>184101729
ah sorry man, but seriously, you are best off by far playing the game knowing as little as possible about it. the first link in the op post has a few spoiler free hints for new players, read that then dont come back until you are finished with the main game at least

i need ONE red jelly for my last chalice
anyone know where to get it?

>>184101991
Isz and main game have all the red jellies you need to open frcs

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>>184101991
>i need ONE red jelly for my last chalice. anyone know where to get it?
You can get them as a drop from this guy

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>>184102029
>>184102092
found it nvm

>>184102229
>vilecuck to stupid to follow a simple guide
like pottery

>>184101841
>Yeah, this general has some dumb shit like the Segalt drama and some of the fc gossip girling is gay a fuck but overall we're pretty comfy
>He says while posting a crossdressing memester that hated Bloodborne

You ever stop and wonder if you aren't part of the problem?

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>>184102464
>dress like one
>am obviously one
>am totally one
>

>>184100251
>why would Iosefka-2 put on Iosefka-1's clothes
In game, because she needs to convince the people brought to the clinic that she's a Church Doctor in order to lull them into a false sense of security. That's if she wasn't wearing White Church garb already, of course.

Out of game, you're only supposed to see the model through a very narrow crack in the window. That means you're supposed to focus on the voice acting, which comes from two different actresses, and not the model, which is the same both times. That means they want you to understand that it's two different people.
>The credits actually don't name a whole bunch of characters by the name
They do name Iosefka, though.
>for Iosefka-2 being an impostor doctor
The important bit is not "doctor", but that her description doesn't include Iosefka. If your argument was true and both characters are meant to be Iosefka, the pair might be named "Doctor" and "insane Doctor" or "Iosefka" and "insane Iosefka", but not "Doctor Iosefka" and "Imposter Doctor".
>it would make sense that he would drop the type of blood used in this clinic.
There are normal blood vials lying around in the clinic at the start of the game, so they clearly use both. The fact she'll only give you four, and the fact we only find it in one place other than the clinic suggests that the special vials are in limited supply. On the other hand, Yharnam produces more normal blood than alcohol. The logical conclusion, then, is that most treatment at Iosefka's clinic uses normal blood, and the special stuff is either for special cases or is still in its development phase.

The fact that the item is named "Iosefka's blood vial" and not "Clinic blood vial" is meant to be a big fat hint that the Emissary you kill is Iosefka. Similarly, the fact that Imposter Doctor gives you Numbing Mist, Lead Elixir, and Beast Blood Pellets instead of Iosefka's Blood Vials is meant to be a big fat hint that she's not Iosefka..

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>>184102691
That's not OnlyAfro in the picture though. And I didn't even know he hated BB because I haven't watched his vids since DS1 was the newest game.

I FINALLY BEAT LUDWIG FUCK YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS

>>184103391
nice one anon. dont forget what you learned or two of the next bosses will be even harder

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Anything going on this morning lads?

I could myself use a spelunk, or radial or triangle Cold Abyssals.

Anybody up for Hotdogster? Pass is bbq

>>184103787
If you open to spelunk some cold abyssals i want in.

>>184103391
Remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

I'm making a isz root frc once im done with the last story chalice if anyone wants in
give me a (you) and it's gonna take a sec to get the materials

>>184104090
I'm down for that.

>>184104090
I'll come too

Difficulty rating (easiest to hardest)
>Bloodborne
>Dark Souls 2
>Dark Souls 1
>Dark Souls 3

Seriously, I just can't get along with DS3. Makes me sad.

Finally finished doing the story dungeons.

>>184105208
DS1
Bloodborne
DS3
DS2

>>184105208
That's about how I'd rate it.

BB > DeS > DaS2 > DaS1 > DaS3

Midir would sort of put 3 > 1, but, the rest of the game is so goddamn easy it still kind of comes in last.

>>184105270
I would've put Dark Souls as easiest but there are certain bits that fuck my shit up still. I'm also using certain ranking things like I've never summoned in BB, never felt like I needed to, but I felt like I had to for O&S for example. And things like how annoying it is to run back to boss fights and stuff like that. That pushes DS1 up the scale for me. Otherwide it's pretty easy.

>>184105438
That is the easiest to hardest, anon
DS1(easiest)>BB>DeS>DS3>DS2(hardest)
DS2 is hardest because of design(lets put 5 enemies in one room that swing at INCREDIBLE HIHG SPEEDS, good luck)

>>184105208
for me, easy > hard
BB > DS2 > DS1 = DS3 > DeS
Demon's absolutely kicks my ass

>>184105208
>easiest to hardest
Wait what.
My brain wouldn't let me see this as you typed it.
There isn't any way on earth BB is easier than DaS3.
t. >>184105378

You got your shit all fucked up.

>>184105556
I know. And I was saying that I'd also have put DS1 as easiest but for the reasons I stated.

>>184105783
Ah, im retarded then
the only boss i've ever wanted to summon for badly was SL1 O&S

Is it possible to get random summons in your FRC Chalices? Or does it only work with a password?

>>184105861
No, it's perfectly possible to summon randoms into FRCs.

>>184105904
Not the anon you replied to, are there ever NPC old bone summons there? Just out of curiosity

>>184105773
Bosses might be tougher in Bloodborne but so is the Good Hunter. BB has a higher skill ceiling

>>184105773
Nah. I find even getting to that ice doggo to be awful in DS3. That fat knight fucks me up, all the other knights fuck me up. I feel like I'm fighting a series of minibosses. Those oily snake fucks too. Every "room" feels like I might die. Iudex Gundyr typically kills me about 4 times, killed me about 7 times on my first time. By contrast, my first ever time on Gerhman I did it in 3 attempts.

In DS1 and DS2 I can typically sleepwalk through it with a few exceptions (talking about regular enemies not bosses). Same in Bloodborne and add on that I didn't summon or feel pressured to, but I did in DS1. But yeah, DS3 is basically a waste of money for me. I have the DLC as well but I haven't got past that cathedral place after the sage.

>>184106001
Come to think of it, I've never bothered to explicitly look, but I'm going to say there aren't.

>>184106031
That's fucking weird mate. I slept through DaS3 until King of Storms/ Nameless and then went back to sleep until Spin Doctors.

I had to cap myself at SL70 to make the game challenging, and even then it was only the DLCs that were challenging.

>>184105208
DaS1 has the largest barrier to entry for completely new players, but offers the least mechanical challenge for experienced ones.
DaS2 is kind of all over the place difficulty wise. Easy for new players at the start, but does a poor job of teaching important mechanics that become relevant later, and jumps between trivial and challenging almost arbitrarily.
DaS3 is by far the easiest to start with both because it's the most simplified and intuitive with regards to obscure mechanics, and has the easiest, most heavily tutorialized earlygame to gradually teach a new player all the core mechanics but then progresses to some of the most challenging content in the entire series.
BB is kind of all over the place. Its mechanics are as simple as DaS3 and easy to figure out, but it has practically no tutorial and instead just throws you into an earlygame sandbox area full of enemy packs and tells you to figure shit out. It's incredibly forgiving with 20 vials, but fewer iframes, counter damage during dodges and the generally higher enemy damage that can result in potential instantkills on failed dodges, mixed with the highest input delay in the series forcing counterinuitive predictive dodging, can make its difficult combat very unforgiving. The biggest notch against its difficulty is just how easy it is to exceed the intended level/upgrade level for an area and proceed to stunlock the boss into oblivion and dumpster it in about 5 seconds. None of the other souls games make it so easy to overpower yourself, or reward you so heavily for doing so, which really only leaves the deep chalices as potentially difficult content.

Though I'd consider some of the FRC chalice bosses to be the most difficult content in the entire series due to the fact that any mistake is a potential instantkill and the fights take ages.

Alright, im tired of poo in the loo descendant swinging at 80 miles an hour which i dont have a problem with, exception being he dodges my fucking bullets
this guy reminds me of drakekeepers from DS2

password is bbg

Do you like cats, /bbg/?

I'll post some of mine later of you want.

>>184106441
post the DS2 cat

>>184106407
i'll help

>>184106407
Ringing, are you at the lamp? Ihyll, right?

>>184106504
this, Shalquoir is best waifu

>>184106523
yeah

>>184106441
>>184106504
>>184106553
Suddenly the distinct lack of quality in this thread makes perfect sense.