/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

>>183807162
Dark Souls 2 and it's fans are cringe

Why don't people use spears in DaS3? Every screen or webm I haven't seen one person using a spear.

>>183807297
Souls series and it's fans are cringe

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Fucking Black Knights are so useless

>>183807408
literally the OP of last thread

>>183807441
>>183807297
Videogames and their fans are cringe

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>>183807079
>>183807103
Excellent.
How's my weaponfu after the buff?

And actually how's the Moonlight and Farron Flashsword? Haven't actually kept up with the new Regs since I heard about Funsword's buff.

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Shulva is pretty cool.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13530081
Don't forget to vote

>>183807670
Farron Memesword got a damage buff, but it's till shit.

Sorceries are more or less the same as they've always been, not getting anything meaningful from TRC kind of sucked.

>>183807689
Eleum Loyce is the coolest.

>>183807689
>Anything about das2
>cool

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>>183807408
Does plow count?

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>>183807670
Farron GS is pretty good now after the buffs, the AR increase makes it very strong on hits. What's more important were the stamina consumption decreases which gives the Farron practically Straight Sword-tier stamina usage on all its attacks. It's still hard countered by things like crossbows or blocking but you can be effective with it now.

Flashsword is still just an inefficient straight sword you cast and Old Moonlight is nice with Heysel R1 combos but meh on its own due to having the same problem as the MLGS beams where they have shit aiming especially locked on. Soul Greatsword I prefer over both.

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>>183807689
my facorite area in DaS2

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>>183807969
>and Old Moonlight is nice with Heysel R1 combos
Does the Heysel `Soul GS combo still work? I might pick that build back up.

>talk in the last thread about DaS2
I fucking hated that game, but its Infusion system was so close to being great.
The fact that I can't make my weaponfu Funsword scale off Int and use it on a build with Flashsword and HMLS is just a crime.

>>183807747
>dark fantasy
As much as I like Dark Souls, I wouldn't really mind a lighter-toned game

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>>183807670
you can meme the damage up really high and you have lots of mobility for ugs poise/poise damage
it's not high tier though, just a cunt to fight

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How do you deal with bowfags in Arena? There is literally no way they're going to get hit deliberately, they've actually gotta try to be hit. Am I supposed to wait it out for 3 minutes or something?

>>183808348
Yes, it works with both Soul Greatsword and Old Moonlight so long as you have maxed cast speed with Sage +2 or something. Old Moonlight does more damage in the full combo but I prefer to keep Soul Greatsword attuned instead because it's more useful on its own.

>>183807896
ds2 haters are out and flaming tonight boys

Man, I hate dark souls multiplayer. I got invaded and died after a single riposte

>>183808423
why are pyros always the worst players ever

>>183808352
Miyazaki said "dark fantasy game that won't disappoint souls fans", so nope enjoy your ugly world
Actually das2 being a high fantasy with curse starting not long time ago was neat, same as a bright fucking coast keep in the forest of fallen giants

>>183808469
Nice. Thanks for fielding my questions.

>>183808519
Posts like these are so cute.

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>>183807162
SLIDERS
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>>183808596
>After eight years DeS is still the best Souls game

At this point I think the guy Miyazaki was brought in to replace might deserve just as much credit.

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>>183807408

>>183808551
because pyromancy is the stat class with the most stuff against it.

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>ENB is just running past everything in the DLC now

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>>183808769
How the FUCK did he make a nice face in DaS3??

>>183807162
I've played Demon Souls, Dark Souls 1 and 3, and I'm currently playing Bloodborne, is Dark Souls 2 even worth playing at this point? I've heard the best thing about it was just the PvP

>>183809212
Looks like shite

>>183809310
>is Dark Souls 2 even worth playing at this point?
Only if you want to laugh at how comically bad it is.

>>183809310
It's worth at least one playthrough if you can find it cheap.

>>183809310
Play it and form your own opinions

>>183809310

The PvP being good is a meme. DaS2 combat is the worst there is in this series. It's a fine game for customisation and PvE though.

>>183809310
DaS2 is a fun experience, sure. I would recommend everyone to play through it at least one, even though it's the weakest game in the series. Play it and find out whether you like it or not.

>>183809028
MIRACLE
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>>183809028
>not just using some of those sweet sliders in the pastebin

>>183809028
Why is the one on the left so good compared to the right ?

Which Souls game is best for STR builds?

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Did we ever find out what happened to her?

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>>183809659
Demon's

>>183809310
What did you like the most about the other games?

DS2 is a slower game that puts quantity and variety over quality. It's better if you are the type of player that likes really breaking the games and figuring out niche things. It puts mechanical balance and gameplay variety overtop of all else.

If you liked the customization, being able to choose where you wanted to go, and how your character was built, and using lots of different items/weapons/spells over the course of a single playthrough, exploring and item collecting, then DS2 is going to be very rewarding.

The PvP was good because DS2's slow pacing meant that players had to -commit- to every action, and the variety meant that most/all builds or stat distributions were pvp viable.

>>183809310
Das2 and bloodborne are the only souls games I can play now
I also replay des once in year/half, but others just can't compete
>>183809489
>weakest game in the series
Das and das3 exist

>>183810042
>Das and das3 exist
As if I'd ever forgive FROM for their Soul Memery and ADP bullshit.

>>183810026
>DS2 is a slower game that puts quantity and variety over quality
>quality
I disagree
Everything in das2 very well designed mechanic wise. For example actually not shit tier way to farm rank in the bell keepers offline

>>183810042
>Das2 [...] the only souls games I can play now
2/10

>tfw we will never go to Astora where 9/10 people are willing to help
>tfw we never got foreshadowed bloodborne by going to Carim
>tfw we will never go to the Medieval New Orleans that is Catarina
sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who feels this feel

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>>183810346

>>183810196
What's wrong with souls memory?
It allowed second biggest summon range in the series, right after bloodborne's 40+/- base levels
It's funny how all games in the series since des expanded summon range in different ways, except das3 which had poorly implimented das version without sunbros bonus. In the game that fucking uses bloodborne level bonus system
Just shows that developers never truly cared about it

>>183809641
I found BB's CC much more intuitive.

>>183810026
>quantity and variety over quality
Well, you're half right.

>>183808769
this is pretty normal desu, what do you find so nice?
The glowing from IT weapon?

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What sort of Build would Miyazaki enjoy playing in DS3?

I would say something with a medium shield and a spear/sword combo, or a pyro build.
It sure as fuck isn't anything magic or faith related

>>183810598
It took the fun out of spending a lot of time on one character, eventually you'd just bump into SL300+ dudes and all with the same builds. You're basically forced to spend souls leveling up or you're going to get swallowed by the competition. Either that or make new characters.

>>183810598
nice pasta

>>183811268
Fallen knight, shield of want, and dark sword

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>>183810346

I know this feel. That's what I hoped the sequels would have been.

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>>183807162
Question: which Dark Souls is the hardest one?
I don't know which one to get.

>>183811472
>shield of want
Miyazaki would never touch anything related to the garbage like das2

>>183812001
okay, turtling black knight shield then

>>183811472
Hey, that's what I use!

>>183812001
Yeah, I think he'd use Grass Crest.

>>183811965
3

>>183811965
Play DaS3 after DeS, DaS1, and DaS2
Playing DaS3 after BB will ruin DaS3 for you
Other than that play them in any order you want.

>>183810026
>commit- to every action

Sure when you could roll cancel every animation pretty much.

>>183811268
Patches is his in-universe build as the most cowardly weapon set possible.

>>183810946
Post better.

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>watch ENB play Sunken King DLC
>he's fucking retarded and keeps missing shit left and right

So why the fuck do some people here shill him all the time? I don't fucking get it, he's garbage at playing the game, his mods are nazis and he talks for the first 30 minutes of every stream about random bullcrap he could be talking about while playing the damn game?

>>183811965
the first one you play is the hardest, excluding 2

>>183811965
They all piss easy

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>went back to BB for two weeks after playing DS3 for over half a year
>absolutely loved it on my first two playthroughs
>absolutely hate it now
>combat feels way too floaty
>can't run around enemies when locked on
>roll distance feels off
>general bullshit moves on certain enemies
>even with the DLC, too few weapon variety, a lot of fun weapons locked after some of the hardest bosses in the game
>pvp is an abhorent clusterfuck with the PS4 netcode, let alone 40% of players having a subpar internet connection
>even co-oping is a pain as hosts are literally slide-showing through the level at times

In DS3 there is so much more variety, I can play a one-shot sorcerer invader build, a try hard dual strength-build or a pure faith medic-build for co-op. The fashion is also much better, fuck ten different variations of the same edgelord trench coat[/spoilers]

So I have to be pretty much half way through the game (DaS1) to get something (Leo Ring) that makes my weapon (Spear type) not shit? Does Miyazaki hate spears or something?

>>183812292
The dumbest thing was that he didn't read any messages while going through the first area, absolutely retarded

>>183811965
The first one you play is the hardest.

The last one you play is the easiest.

>I rely on reaction time and dodging a lot
DS3 is the easiest, DS2 is the hardest.

>I rely on customization and building a powerful character a lot
DeS/DS2 is the easiest, DS3 is the hardest.

Yo are the bloodshades really back? I dare say it's time I've assembled my humble servants.

>>183812825
>not shit
spears are already overpowered, leo ring just makes them extreme

>>183812815
>one-shot sorcerer invader build,

Fuck off with your autism faggot

anyone feel like helping me with dragonslayer armour on PS4
yes I am shit

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>>183813217
but this says they're all shit except Demon Spear

>>183813350
Its okay anon, where did the sorc-invader touch you?

>>183813495
Sure if you help me against Champion Gravetender.
Pass and place?

>>183812292
He's a god-tier YouTube content creator. Streaming, not so much.

>get summoned in inner whale for midir even though my mark is in the far right
>host just stand there and watch as I solo the boss
What the fuck
reminder if you're a host and you do nothing in the fight you deserve your summon to cristal back

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>>183813949
...so did you bc or not?

>>183814076
No I'm a good girl

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>>183813949
>not having Warmth on you and healing the boss once you notice the hosts is hiding in a corner

>>183813602
>All those spears in high tier
Try reading the chart you posted.

>>183813602
these tier lists are about abusing backstabs and lag. That's why the longest spears are the best.

>>183813857
I'll rush to gravetender now

Haven't gotten that far but is it the Scholar Candlestick good for melee? that damage buff seems nice but I also like to use my right hand weapons for rusing rolling fellas

Anyone here love long invasions where asshole mcgee and his shitter squad eventually give in and chase you into mobs as you tear them apart one by one? I have so much god damn patience it's great.

>>183814528
you can stagger people if they aren't in a HA-frame.
sure is better than a staff bash

>>183807408

I'm currently mainly playing a DEX build that uses LKLS offhand/2-handed, with a Claymore/AGS and a dagger on my right hand. I've found that having it not only improves my trading capabilities due to the inherent poise, but gives me a chasing weapon AND a spacing tool all in one. It's unfortunately an easy to parry weapon type of course, but being able to switch between three different weapons tends to help avoid that. If they rush me like you should do with a spear I bring out the claymore. If they switch to a long range UGS to out-trade or try to out-range me, I swap to the dagger and use the quickstep WA until they use something like a straight sword. Then it's back to outspacing with the spear or out-trading with the claymore. It's been working wonders 1v1 so far, had plenty of success when I've been randomly summoned into pontiff FCs

I could probably make some WEBMs if you like. How do people tend to get their footage on PS4, just save videoclips and hope for the best?

>>183813885
Yeah, his From the Dark series is absolutely great, his Demon's Sous stuff is mediocre but most of his DS1 videos are indeed very good.

His DS2 streams are kind of shaking my faith in his skills as a player not because he's playing mechanically badly but because he's totally oblivious and has no idea what he's doing.

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Are those cutie pies still around who wanted to do a co-op run?

No voice chat though, I'm rather shy.

>>183813949
Had this happen once to me, so I did what every good summon should do, lured Midir to the host and started clapping.

>>183814476
Pass: dsg
Depths of the Painting bonfire

SL50 +5 so it might take a few tries.
Others are welcome to join.
We're on PS4.

>>183814768
>he's totally oblivious and has no idea what he's doing.
That's partly because he minds the chat, but also, at a guess, because he just isn't enjoying DaS2 (and who could blame him?).

>>183814803
Yo, what game is that?

>>183813602
>>183814246
Pike, Partizan, and Spear are all basically identical except for their R2s. Winged Spear and Silver Knight spear are basically identical except for their R2s. This means that DS1 has basically only 3 spears

>Silver Knight Spear / Winged Spear: Pure Dex Spear
>Demon's spear: Lightning damage without faith investment
>Spear / Partizan / Pike

Gimmick weapons / not viable in pvp due to split damage, short length, or too high of level investment
>Plow
>Butterfly Horn (spear for intelligence)
>Dragonslayer spear (spear for faith)
>Trident

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>>183814673
>b-but that's not an honorable way to win honor duels

>>183814768
>>183812865

>he's totally oblivious and has no idea what he's doing.
ENB is the type of player who needs a wiki open to double check what he's doing constantly, and he makes videos once he knows what's going on. He's terrible at figuring that out on the fly.

>>183808423

Now you can't surely be complaining about bow users and their chip damage when you have fire surge slotted? They do the same thing you're able to try but better, and it's arguably more limited as a tool due to the inability to do rapid damage without standing still for the WA, which is basically a death sentence at the range you're able to use your chip damage tool

>>183814830
dropped my sign

>>183814956
Why, do you want to play games with me anon-kun?

>>183815013
what's that blue badge right next to his name?

>>183814803
donate to my paypal and I'll show you some of my character's cleavage in co-op

>>183815259
Not really, just wanna know what game is that, looks nice. I do like your socks though. Gotta get me a pair someday.

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I just verified my cache and my HUD is fucking up. The screen never fully blacks out (only blocks of it do) and the boss bars look like this.
What do

>>183815138
>>183814768
>>183812865
Something else that really bothered me was how he ran through the area with all the phantom knights like a fool.
He could've easily said he made a big mistake by doing that, but instead he claimed the game was funneling him down that path and said he thought it was what he was supposed to do, rather than look for the armor and explore. It felt like he was just making excuses at that point.

holy shit didn't think it would instantly kill me, hope you got the wolf

>>183815747
No He got me. Again?

>>183815730
to be fair, in all other souls games they do funnel / handhold a lot more

>>183815837
>>183815747

I'm happy to throw my hat in, p-sure I kept some or my raw +4s from when I killed him just incase something like this came up

>>183815373
Only a symbol that terrorizes even the most fearless and experienced invaders of dsg. It's the horrible sign that a phantom is exceedingly powerful and much higher level than either the host or the invader. A terrible symbol indeed.

If you ever see such a sign just make it easier on yourself and pull the plug unless you are brave enough to endure the atrocities one carrying such a symbol will visit upon you.

>>183815013
This made sense in ds1 (ds2 pvp was a clusterfuck so I dunno how it compares but seemed more or less like 1) where the host was generally unexpecting and couldnt summon an army of phantoms. The thing is that my favorite covenant was the forest hunters so I kinda like that everywhere is like that now. You get to go all out with invasions without feeling like you just smashed some kid who had the drake sword and knight shield.

>>183816283

They consistently just use meta weapons despite them often losing what makes them powerful at those levels, their only other main port of call is casting the stronger spells. And as we all know, spells are pretty easy to avoid if you're paying attention

So just beat them into the ground, find a place to hide past enemies and block them before the host can re-summon. Nothing funnier than watching them panic

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>>183814673
Attrition is one hell of a drug
I've spent up to 10-20 minutes chasing a gank squad and burning their estus so much that the phantoms have to resummon, tho the principal target is always the host

thanks for the embers my dude, still up for dragonslayer?

>>183816008
Already got him, but thanks anyway.

>>183815747
Signs down in front of Armours fog gate.

>>183815612

That's a DSFIX UI scaling problem.

>>183816625
Sun princess ring really comes in handy for this.

>dunked off the ledge
that's a first

>>183814673
Obscuring Ring is best friend. I don't even use a greatbow I just loop around behind them and toss a Lloyd's at them as they're fighting a mob and then wail on them.

I need someone to help me cheese the dancer

>>183817937
PC?

>>183813069
>Customizing and variety in Dark Souls 2
What is this meme

>>183817937
I did it at SL23 with the Dark Hand and I'm shit.

If I can do it, you can anon.

>>183818178
yes

>>183817598
Hold on I'm bringing the cheese build

>>183818302
aight I assume pass is dsg

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Guys help. I'm just wrapping up what was supposed to be my final playthrough to say farewell to the game and move on to other things but now I can't stop thinking about making a low level knight invader. I miss the knight event from DaS2.

Wat do?

>>183817921
Interesting, I didn't know about that. I'm still learning about this game. I finished my first run cold at ~35hrs and now I'm constantly looking uo anything I missed. Also I like to 100% games I like.

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RIP anon
My internet betrayed me, I wish you luck

>>183818723
thanks miyazaki didn't want to do that anyways
want to try again?

>>183818723
that's a common bug that exists since day 1

>>183818880
>>183818926
Here i thought it was just a third worlder syntom
sign is down

ah fuck me sorry

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I knew that'd happen, that's why I dropped the embers

>>183818404
I know that feeling very well. For all the faults of these games, there's always been something that keeps me coming back, too.
I've found it best to force myself to take short periods of time off, but still come back and play from time to time. Whichever game in the series you have in mind, the online won't die off if you spend a few weeks or a month away from it.
Sometimes it feels better to come back after some time away, too.

>>183809752
kek. should've buffed with hidden weapon

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>>183809752

>>183820110
can hidden body and hidden weapon be duel charmed?

thanks so much man, dragonslayer had roadblocked me hard

>>183820280
No problem, if you need more help let me know

>>183819660
this is going well

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What is the purpose of being able to say "no" to some npcs?

For example Andre in ds3. You can say no to giving him coals to work with. Why is that? You can't do anything else with coals so why not?

There is another time where you release Karla and you basically can say yes or no to taking her back to firelink. Why say no when she can only help you?

I just never understood the series reason for letting me say to no gain. I can understand if there were two black smiths, then you could choose who to give the coal to. But there is just one and he is the only one that can use it.

Why?!

>>183817937
Still need help?

>>183820560
yes

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just playin gsome dark souls :)

>>183820491
Roleplaying lite. Or, within the spirit of the series "you're given a choice but it doesn't really matter"
>>183820636
Aight. Level?

I don't understand why people are saying bleed is worthless now. They just lowered the buildup on non bleed infused weapons so there would be a reason to use blood gem. Except there isn't a reason to use a blood gem because it lowers the attack damage so horrendously its still worthless.

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fun game

>Yhorm the G I A N T
>Smaller than most bosses in the game
Why this

I was told that using weapons that take twinkling titanite or titanite scales is a bad idea because they cannot be buffed or infused? Apparently not being able to buff or infuse a weapon is a big deal if you ever want to do damage.

I really like the old wolf curved great sword but apparently it's garbage.

>>183821587
What the fuck is the profaned flame anyway? Like lore wise. What the fuck or where the fuck is it?

>>183821639
Buffs are meh. Infusions are a pretty big deal, but saying that they're bad as a general rule is an unfair generalization

>>183821587
???
Only curse-rotted greatwood, high lord wolnir, and ancient wyvern are bigger than him though

>>183821896
But is it true? I mean not being able to infuse with heavy or sharp or refined is kind of aids.

>>183821923
oh and Midir

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this gaem
anon try waiting some min when you summon, it might be the conection setting up

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>>183821553
Very

>>183821923
And honestly, yhorm would probably shit on all of them in a fight.

One side question, do the lords of cinder know the other lords? Like what would yhorm say to Aldrich? What would the abyss watchers say to lothric or whatever.

>>183822113
host is floating, return to the world twice.
it's not gonna happen

>>183822030
Some are good enough without infusions. It just means that certain weapons are better on a quality build rather than pure str or pure dex

>>183821639
Those kind of weapons generally require quality stats, and since refined infusion was nerfed any infusable weapon is much better heavy or sharp. So on a build you basically have to choose between special/boss weapons or normal weapons.

Uninfusable weapons aren't bad by any means though, the Pontiff Knight Curved Sword is the best weapon in the game, and you have other decent options like the Ringed Knight Spear, Valorheart, Gael's GS, etc

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damn dude, everything is sliding
no more mister nice guy, she's already dead

So I asked the previous thread, I'm not looking for a guide or any hand holding but just a general sense of direction and priorities. I've finished Anor Londo and got the vessel, and I know I need the ember in New Londo and Rite of Kindling in catacombs. So what's more or less the order to tackle the lord souls? Four Kings > Nito > Seath > Bed of Chaos?

this is a well designed game
>>183822305
>>183822562
>>183822113

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>anon finally gets in to get stomped in the first seconds
I've been there

>>183821923
And the demon in pain and the demon from below, and the demon prince and the nameless king phase 1
And there's more if you count the ones that would be bigger than them if they stood up

>>183822696
Literally any order at all. But Rite of Kindling will help a lot, and is actually possible to obtain before Anor Londo anyways.

>>183822496
I see. So I am a newer player doing a quality build. I am trying to get 40 in ate and dex. I kind of fell in love with milk wood battle axe though. Not sure if I should refine or sharp or heavy it.

But ideally I should be using a boss weapon to get the most from my stats?

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>>183808769

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>>183821553
>shartleaf
lol

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>close arena duel
>he points down
post yfw

>>183823354
cute boy

>>183823415
>bscb
lol

>>183821894
A type of chaos flame that burns forever
I think it's a reference to the Eleum Loyce chaos flame from DS2

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>>183823449

>>183812292
reminds me of this other streamer that would have raging meltdowns and start screaming and bitching to the mods to ban people that mentioned his fatrolling. He said he was a real man for being over 70%.

I was in awe how many people would literally give him money everyday during his streams

Did you nerds made it? is the dancer kill?

THANK YOU SO MUCH BASED DARK SORCERER

>>183823859 >>183823885
yes, 2 ashen estus later. jesus fuck

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help this shit has been pissing me off for the past 3 days now

Anyway, give me build ideas.

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Whats the lowest level you can make a pure sorc build and still do a shitton of damage? Is it possible, for example, to make a crazy fragile glass cannon mage at sl30 and oneshot fools in the swamp?

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>>183823965
>>183823885

PRAISE THE ONION

>>183823415
Isn't that shield terrible? For anything other than fashion that is. i don't think it gets small shield parry frames

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>>183824178
me neither

>>183824178
>not being able to parry with regular/medium shields

>>183824330
Hold on, do all small shields get increased parry frames? I thought only the ones that have the special animation had better parry frames, like the buckler and target shield.

Hold up. Does every attack that come out of a Thrust weapon get a Leo Ring bonus on counter hits? Does the lightning from the Dragonslayer Spear get a bonus, for example? Does a spell cast from a catalyst that deals thrust damage get a bonus?

>>183824470
iirc every thrust type melee gets it...also arrows

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Can I still get summoned through white soapstone in ds2 even though im hollow?

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>>183824385
medium shield parry is meta as fuck
>>183824449
little shields have better frames
littler shields have even better frames but longer recoveries

>>183824579
Yes

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>>183824385
I can, but if I'm getting med shield frames, I'd prefer if it also has med shield defenses/stability

>>183824721
I actually find it easier to parry with medium shields...is that why it's "meta" now? I love using the sunset shield for them

>>183824116
Stop downloading torrents

Red pill me on greatbows. I love great bows but I feel like their only use is to cheese shit from long range. What are some practical uses for bows and great bows? Is it possible to utilize bows in such a way that isn't just "shoot this stationary enemy with 99 arrows"

>>183824579
That's half the point of getting summoned cause it restores you at the end. That's what so great about the small white soapstone.

I'm having a hard time deciding between spears, katanas, straight swords, or curved swords for a dex/faith build in DaS2. What do you guys think would be the best?

>>183824579
Being summoned was intended to be the primary way of unhollowing. Even small white soapstones (5 minute summon) restore you so long as neither of you die in that time.

Then Scholar added 60 fucking effigies because everyone who never played DeS bitched about the health penalty.

>>183824980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBoaKsa-pyY

>>183825513
Spear

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Should dark souls be more gory?

>>183825587
I wish Souls had dismemberment like Shadow Tower Abyss.

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>>183808997
ENB is a good example of a has-been who keeps succeeding because of his old series he did years ago. If he entered the 'game' as it were now, nobody would give a shit about him or his content. Or I don't know, Twitch has really low standards and reddit numales like him succeed much better than they deserve.

But the point is that his streams show that the only reason he ever "made it big" was because he was one of the first people on the scene.

>>183825784
Fuck off, Tanimura.

whats the sl meta for swamp and halfway fortress invasions?

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>>183825587
I wouldn't go as far as Fallout w/ Bloody Mess gory, but decapitations and dismemberments could be neat as special death animations.

What are some tips for a pver just trying to defend himself from pvpers? I don't mind being invaded in ds3 but I just get fucking dumped. I never have phantoms with me either. I just don't have any pvp fundamentals.

>>183826341
1. learn to PvP.
2. gesture if he does, but keep your guard up. this isnt dark souls 2 anymore, and your average invader is a lot tougher than before on account of being used to dealing with gank squads.

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>>183825587
I wouldn't mind but it's not a priority

>>183824470
>>183824575
DS1/3: Only physical damage.
DS2: All thrust damage types, but not spells. (spells do not deal thrust, even when cast with a catalyst with thrust type, since that only applies to the catalyst's melee moves).

>Does the lightning from the Dragonslayer Spear get a bonus, for example? Does a spell cast from a catalyst that deals thrust damage get a bonus?
No, in all games.

And in DS1/3, on an infused spear, the physical part only will get the counter bonus.

>>183826341
Twink invaders will have gear and optimizations to just fucking dump you even if you were the more skilled player. There's not much you can do beyond finding a convenient place to die.

>>183826341
you have to do it to get better. Best advice is not to hold on to shittons of souls. Don't be that guy that immediately runs like a pussy back to the bonfire. Just stand your ground and pace your stamina. Most pvp ends within 3-12 seconds

I practice parry on just about any mob, it helps learning the timing

>>183826341
Use your extra estus and higher HP to your advantage, be careful about invaders that try to aggro the whole map on you.

The best way to kill an invader as a host is to get them in an open, empty area, and then trade blows with them. They will always have lower HP and run out of estus than you do, by default you're at a huge advantage. It's when they can backstab/parry, use other enemies in the area, or knock you off a wall that it becomes a problem.

>>183826669
but das3 is bullish bcuz invading is 2hard!!!11?? ;-;

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Just uninstalled ds3 and installed ds2 again, feels good to be back to real pvp and not this nu-dark souls bullshit that the a(actually B-team) introduced.

>>183826774
>being a dirty chugger
I guess I'm just oldschool guilty gear/streetfighter mentality. IF it's 1on1 just take the death instead of sipping the sunny d like a scrub

if you are against 2+ yeah have a sip

>>183826669
Ds3 is the most forgiving our of any game in its series when it come to being invaded by a twink character. They've almost made it so the average invader has to in order to deal with the typical 3 v 1, giants seed, and never ending blue summons.

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Goddamn Pontiff is a goldmine tonight, me and my friend never get much activity when we're here and we finger up constantly.

>purple teaming up with us after failing their force-off-ladder trick, drop him some embers and we spend a while pushing off some gullible Aldrichfags before we all get instacursed
>friend starts mining with the pickaxe, all the other invaders join in while I whip them to work harder, they drop gifts and BC out
>me and friend are actually trying to get to Anor Londo, meme hacker again, breaks all our shit and keeps spamming us into the air before our fps dies
>3 invaders, two are throwing shit at each other, end up getting naked with the waifu-looking invader before my friend blueballs me and jumps off the ledge

Now we don't want to move on and kill Aldrich, this place is way too fucking fun.

>>183823354
Literally disgusting. Don't ever reply to me again with anything so monstrous

>>183827007
>just take the death
>implying the invader isn't going to chug

>>183827108
anytime bae
>>183827152
so let em

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[Screams externally]
>>183825587
I wish all the time and resources wasted on thousands of destroyable objects had gone to dismemberment

>>183827007
>chugger
>invasions
what the fuck

>>183827076
I ran into the pickaxe miners at pontiff a few weeks ago. I was trying to collect concords and I guess they knew. I followed them around whipping them and they killed any red that invaded. I got 8 ears that night

>>183826341
Play defensively if you must and only attack when they attack. Use a weapon that can't be parried or near impossible to parry like splitleaf.

Best option though is to just hide or sprint through level with obscuring ring and way of blue and a seed of giant active and go inside boss fog to send them home.

>>183827393
do I stutter?

>>183814803
anyone know what game this is?

>>183827007
That's what the arena is for.

If you're being invaded, all bets are off.

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>>183827007
>streetfighter

If you were actually any decent at street fighter and other fighting games then spacing and punishing should be a complete joke to you in dark souls.

>>183827254
>I wish all the time and resources wasted on thousands of destroyable objects had gone to dismemberment

Destroyable objects was something easily implemented with existing code. Dismemberment would require a whole revamping of the combat system and how hitboxes / damage works.

DS3 lacks any ambition whatsoever, I doubt they would risk trying anything new like that.

>>183827570
Get good, literally. If you can't punish estus, there's something fundamentally wrong with your build

>>183826936
>playing Soul series for the PvP

>>183827875
it is....if the ping is perfect...and we all know how perfect and non existent lag is amr? AMR...derp

>>183813069
>DS2
oh fuckin please just go full giantdad in DaS

>>183828018
>Playing soul series

true souls players never play the games and just shitpost on /dsg/

>>183828013
estus drinking is the easiest it has ever been with rolls.
>build
found the memer

>>183824980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SouTozZ-oX8

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>start watching ENB's play of SotFS' Sunken King because you niggers keep talking about it
>that shit lighting
>that shit walking/running animation
>that shit every other action animation
>that shit sluggish movement speed
>that shit sound design
Jesus fucking Christ I'd snap my disc again if I still had the shards.

>>183824116

Just use the legacy captcha my man.

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>>183827431
I'm tempted to tell my friend to equip WoB to give some reds/blues some free shit, but then it might look like too much of a gank. We try and 1v1 unless they're trying to gank us.

Tempted to make another character so I can host some stuff at Pontiff. FCs, blues vs reds, whatever. Lot of fun tonight, some invaders are pretty cool.

>>183828036
You must not be very good at online games if you can't adapt to a bit of latency.

Go to any of the fighting game generals and ask how they manage to perform combos, some of which are 1 frame links, or block mixups online.

It's not a complicated concept and had been done by many others. If you can't do it then you can't do it but others can.

>>183828404
>But MUH CUSTOMIZING AND VARIETY XD (whatever that means)

>>183828824
you seem upset, with all the implications and such. Everyone knows ds coding is shit for pvp, relax you don't have to white knight your precious game

>>183828941
He BTFO'ED you
Git gud

>>183828841
>(whatever that means)
this is why you can't enjoy DS2

>>183827875
but you're completely shit and would have been dead without ember health?

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>>183828658
Holy shit, thanks.

>>183829018
relax. you seem super upset for me pointing out the obvious

you can still enjoy the game, Timmy. you don't have to samefag

>>183828404
>being that triggered by petty shit

how did you ever make it through DS1, or any indie developer game for that matter?

>>183827875
>r1 spams
>opens himself up with rolling attack
>r1 spams
>r1 spams
>points down after r1 spams
wow such good

>>183828658
How do you enable legacy captcha?

>>183829412
but R1 spam is the most reliable way to win in DS3

>>183829412
DS3 PvP

>the host has double the estus and can summon unlimited amount of blues and whites
/vg/ will defend this

Just had a fight with these two spergs who would most of the time just run in circles and try some fancy shit. Killed the hosts friend and the host spends the next 10 minutes just dodging me and healing while he can summon his friend again.

DS3 is pretty shit aight'

>>183829272
>indie developer game
Easy, I don't play those.

>DS1
That game's lighting, animations, and sound design are god-tier.

Thanks for the (You).

>>183829534
yeah for scrubs...I agree. thus my point about ds pvp is shit

>>183829563
it makes for a better single player experience for people who want to play the game once and then leave it after beating the final boss./

But it makes for a shit experience for anyone who wants to actually want to learn the mechanics and play against other humans, not just AI.

>>183829563
last night at pontiff I invaded the same 2 dudes, the phantom must have be a password invite with all the gear and shit. They kept trying to gank but failed. As soon as the phantom died the host would disconnect

I see disconnects as a juicier win. I mean what type of pussyboi gets so frustrated he has to pull the plug to save face?

>>183828196
>estus drinking is the easiest it has ever been with rolls.
absolutely, can't deny that. But I still puish estus on daily basis
>>build
>found the memer
What does that even mean? If you don't have a faster backup weapon to punish estus you should really rearrange your stats or equipment (aka build) to carry one, or at least get good with hardswapping. Even if you're on a pure str build, you should at least carry a heavy longsword. Invasions aren't duels, stop treating them as such. Or at least don't cry "DISHONORABLE SHITTERS" when others don't.

>>183825982
between sl20+2 and sl30+3

>>183829049
Explain what that means then

I beat Gael on my second try. Was he easier than Friede and Midir or did I finally learn to roll?
Also holy shit is Cinder easy after the DLC

>>183829994
I never implied they were dishonorable shitters for using estus. I just said they were scrubs for needing it

I also never said it was impossible to punish those that chug, it just isn't worth it in pvp for this game to try

I'm not a leet pvper that goes with 120/140 builds. I'm happy at sl 60 with my constant pontiff invasions without all the tryhard pc ce fags that always auto break my weapon. I have my 120 collecting dust for that faggotry

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>start new game
>kill "downscaled" phantom
>350,000 smackeroos

>>183829994
I shouldn't have to do metashit because of the game's shit design.

>>183829446

Settings on the lower right I think.

>>183829590
>Easy, I don't play those.
From is an indie developer. They're not even one of the larger indie studios, none of their games have ever sold more than 5m copies and they lack any first-party publishing or distribution.

Titanfall 2 was considered a sales flop. It sold more copies than Dark Souls 3. DS3 doesn't even make the top 10-15 games sold in 2016. Consider that for a second.

All souls games, especially DeS, DS1, and DS2, are indie projects.

>That game's lighting, animations, and sound design are god-tier.
They're alright. Sound Design and lighting in DS1 took a nosedive compared to DeS, animations are acceptable but still pretty bad for a melee game.

I love From Soft but I'm not going to pretend that they're some AAA budget studio. All of their games reek of low budget compromises, and your criticism against DS2 can be applied to most of the series. You just have a double standard because DS1 is nostalgic/looks pretty so you ignore all of its massive flaws.

The only reason From sells games is because they make unique games, not good games.

Does popping a finger make you more likely to get invaded even if you dont have any phantoms?

>>183830692
thanks

>>183830473
The game was designed for pve. If you're engaging in pvp in some way other than summoning a bunch of friends to help, you're already going outside of the bounds of the game's design.

>>183807162
Can someone recommend me a build that has a bit of everything for DS1? I beat DS2 with pure melee but I feel as if I missed out on a lot of the games cool stuff.

>>183830813
if you haven't beaten the level boss the finger just resets the timer to be invaded and allows you to be invaded by more....invaders

>>183830813
No. It just allows 2 invaders (and/or 3 phantoms) and resets the invasion timer. Doesn't increase your priority over hosts with phantoms.

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>>183830937
Funny how that isn't the case for DS1 and DS2. It's like Miyazaki gave up and just wanted to shit out a 80$ cinematic experience or something.

>>183830421
>I just said they were scrubs for needing it
Of course he's a scrub, did you even read the post? He's a pve bab. And don't act like the invader won't chug if presented with the opportunity. Few wouldn't
>>183830421
>it just isn't worth it in pvp for this game to try
>it's not worth to cut their heals in half
I'm not saying to blindly chase them down while they're surrounded by your enemies but opportunities exist
>I'm not a leet pvper that goes with 120/140 builds
Me neither. I play on all brackets and see others and myself do stupid mistakes all the time. But I at least try to learn something from them
>>183830473
>playing chess
>get the king in the front lines asap
>dude don't do that, you'll lose
>what the hell, I shouldn't have to do metashit to win, what a shit fucking game
There's always a best way to do things. You don't have to follow it but it helps. It's a fact that big burly str weapons don't have good chase. You can either bash your head against that and complain or find a way around it.

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Afternoon gents. Just beat DS2 for the first time, aside from the Shitlurker and the Ancient Dragon. all I have left are the DLC zones.

Should do them now or wait till NG+.

>>183831005
>>183831069
Thanks

>>183831218
ds2 dlcs are brutal on their own, do them now
>shitlurker
If I find you, I will cut you

>>183831168
>You can either bash your head against that and complain or find a way around it
or do neither and move on. this isn't a job, I'm a casul that fights and dies with thinking further than that

>>183831310
I wish you could find me, then you could help me

>>183831338
Technically a way around it. Waaaay around it. Of course, all that go with the assumption that you like the game. If you don't, there's no reason for us to be making that conversation in the first place.

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Cute.

>>183831218
Do the DLCs now.. The true ending doesn't even make sense without finishing Vendrick's questline.

>>183830971
>27 strength, 2H your weapon (30 strength if you use a greatshield)
>xx dexterity (add points to equip what you want, dump points here for higher damage after you reach 27 strength)
>16 intelligence with Oolacile Ivority Catalyst (Darkroot Basin)
>14 or 20 faith with thorolund talisman (bought in firelink)
>16 attunement

This should let you cast / equip ~80-90% of the weapons and spells in the game with some proficiency. You miss out on 1H wielding pure strength weapons like dragon tooth, and you miss out on high level spells (which are mostly gimmicks anyway) but you get everything else. Oolacile and thorolund do not scale, so you get a flat spell casting strength no matter how low your int/fth is. 16 intelligence is enough to cast most of the best spells (you need 25 to cast the next group, then ~40). 14 faith gets you basic healing, 20 faith gets you lightning spears and a bunch of support miracles.

>>183831168
>You don't have to follow it but it helps. It's a fact that big burly str weapons don't have good chase. You can either bash your head against that and complain or find a way around it.
Then what's the point of using them? The game is already dying, and by the end of the year, everyone's """BUILD""" will just be straightswords. Just like how everyone in DS1 today stack poise and backstab.

>>183830361
What other game allows me to dualwield halberds and do 1100 damage very early on, in a setting of which this is viewed as perfectly balanced from the eyes of the game
What other game allows me to spice down the requirements of a spell so my melee character can have a spell or a buff at the cost of the spell being weaker or not lasting as long
What other game balances what people assumed were joke weapons by giving them incredibly low stamina usage
What other game has a dex-based ultra greatsword
What other game has as much build variety as DaS2, because it sure ain't 3

>>183831742
thanks a lot anon, will do this.

>>183831095
It definitely was the case for DS1. They didn't have an arena in the base game and pvp was largely an afterthought, especially on PC. It just had better covenants.

DS2 was designed with pvp in mind from the start though, probably because a lot of the lead creatives in it were from Armored Core, which has always been a more tournament/competitive/pvp focused game than souls or their other series.

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I think this is the most I've ever struggled with pontiff, wew

>>183832048
>pvp was largely an afterthought
>after DeS
k

>>183829127
He sipped. I didn't even though I had all the time in the world to.

>>183829563
Yes and?
You could summon infinite whites and golds in DS2 and DS2 as well.

In DS2 and 1 invaders couldn't chug at all.
Play duels if you want fair fights.

>>183832041
softcaps for almost all stats are at 40. Dexterity also gives you faster spell casting up to 50 dexterity, and strength gives you 1.5x bonus (which is why stopping at 27 is acceptable).

You will be around SL80 to SL120 when you beat the game, so that's enough to reach all of those stats and still have high health and endurance.

One piece of advice: Use DSCM. That way you can get sunlight medals by being summoned for gargoyles, letting you access lightning spears early on in the game. Being summoned for co-op lowers the faith requirement for joining the sun covenant.

>no dual whip weapon
I wish they'd at least tried some nice combinations.

Any oldfags around?

I've been thinking of an old sanvie DaS vid from niconico, of a cosplayer doing a bunch of Claymore dash2HR1>BS combos on people. The cosplay was some anime girl/girls I didn't recognize. Maybe from Slayers or possibly a video game franchise. I think one of them had red or pink hair.

Ring any bells?

>>183832214
PvP was an afterthought in DeS too. It was just slightly less of an afterthought in DS1, but it was never intended to be played purely for the pvp.

>>183830343
really, sl30 is top end?
how do you even get a build going with it then? because at sl30 i feel like ive got the bare minimum stats as it is

>>183832462
no powerstance in DS3 because miyazaki hates giving players choices unless he gets to punish them for making the "wrong" choice.

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>>183832297
>needing to chug in DS2
Just kill them dude

>>183826669
>Twink invaders will have gear and optimizations to just fucking dump you even if you were the more skilled player.
>weapon levels are factored into invasion limitations
no, thats not how it works.

>>183832697
prisoner's chain and raw infusion is really good.

In Demon's Souls, what's the best starting class for kicking Vanguard's stupid butt?

remember when onlyafro was /ourguy/ ?

>>183833083
Royalty. You get soul arrow and fragrant ring so you can just hang back and spam arrows and slowly kill anything.

>>183833165
he's /our girl (male)/

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>>183831897
Str weapons? Winning trades. Are ss good enough that they can be a main weapon? Yes, they're fucking ridiculous. You don't have to use them though, there are plenty of weapons with good chasing running attacks. Namely spears, katanas, curved swords, curved gs.
>>183832426
>nice, clean, paladin-ish fashion
>shit-encrusted fucked up anime sword

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replaced the hollows in parish with the cut spider guys. it's not a huge change but i think they're cool

>>183833373
What the fuck are those?

>>183833467
the cut spider guys, duh.

>>183833467
The cut enemies from DS1, Hollows with spiders on their backs. They finally made their debut in DS2.

>>183833373
b-but they should be in izalith or blight town, not parish

>>183833467
Transition from a hollow/humanoid to crag spider
>>183833373
Boy, I forgot how it is to not get staggered on the first hit by trash mobs

>>183833373
Dittoing >>183833583 , replace the statues with these guys maybe.

>>183832863
Ah yes, late-game rings and DLC weapons prevent you from invading at lower levels. That must be exactly how this works.

>play through DS2:SOFTS again for some reason
>do a covenant of champions run
>get 2 shot by nearly everything until I pump 40 levels in vitality and then I only get 3 shot instead

this is so fucking frustrating, I'm trying to beat Sunken King right now and I'm so close to just quitting, I'm literally getting killed in a single stun lock by random ass mobs and then losing 20 minutes of progress because I have to crawl through each area with a bow, Iron King nearly broke me and this isn't helping at fucking all.

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>>183833810
>enter covenant that makes the game harder
>complain that the game is harder

>>183834064
I CAN'T LEAVE, I CAN LET MYSELF GIVE UP OR LEAVE

I KNOW I'M FUCKING AUTISTIC AND TERRIBLE BUT I DIDN'T THINK THE HELL WOULD BE THIS BAD

>>183833583
>>183833691
lost izalith is too open i think so they wouldnt pose a threat. blighttown might be good, i havent gotten there yet (im still working on burg)

>>183833810
>>183834183
psst

I'm going to let you in on a secret

Covenant of Champions is how the game is meant to be played. It forces you to abuse all the mechanics and overpowered weapons in the game, and rewards you for doing so.

Take care of Last Giant and Dragonrider (both of which are easy to fight without getting hit), then go item collecting around Heide, get a maxed out sunset staff and dark bead, then go clear shaded woods, the pit/gutter, wharf, and huntsman's copse so that by the time you are ready to take on your next few bosses, you have a lot of overpowered equipment.

don't forget you can get titanite chunks by burning an ascetic at the cardinal tower bonfire, so once you reach lost bastille there's no excuse not to have a +10 weapon

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Rate my wafiu lads

>also steal protection ring +3 is op in PvE

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>turn cross region off
>still match with laggy fucks from china and japan

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>Utterly destroy a shitter in 2v2 arena
>he enables Cheat engine

>>183834664
yeah, I've already beaten the main game content and I'm the last DLC, I've gone for some fuck retarded quality build because my other SOFTS playthrough was a hexer

although thanks anyway, I'm going to take a break and finish it off later so I can finally be free again.

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>>183821553
>Bow attacks
>Points down

Truly the worst type of person

>>183832141
he's remarkably easy to cheese from range with great soul arrow

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>>183833373

Is there concept art of those? I remember seeing it, but I can't find it. Might be that I'm just confusing them with the DaS2 version.

I stopped playing before the ringed city DLC, what should I know? I watched a speedrun of it but I mean has the game changed in PvP at all.

>>183821553
cancer