/xcg/ - XCOM General

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>>183766135
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>>183766331
This is now a Jake thread

Daily reminder that LW2 is garbage and is only propped up by a bunch of shills

When War of the Chosen drops, it'll be out for a good month, maybe more. Good riddance to that

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Did you think you Miscreants would be free because it's Hunter's day? FOOLISH HUMANS! You shan't be allowed to forget that i am THE ELDER'S MOST LOYAL CHAMPION! Any who sides with Hunter can only expect ANGUISH in what little remains of their pathetic miserable lives.

>>183766491
Sure hope the Elders don't kill you when the Hunter wins, buddy :^)

Have they showed anything about the new avenger defense missions with the chosen?

I just need to say the Captcha alien ruler boss required to make a new thread was hard as fuck to beat it kept dodging my hits and it had a really high defense and I haven't researched the 4chan pass tech yet and it's already July

>>183766779
Passes are very convenient to research.

>>183766779
>>183767141

>there are people that research to shitpost

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>>183766432
>>183766331

>>183766779
Looks like you only grazed the [Embed] boss too :^)

>>183767698
>if this primate doesn't shut the fuck up...

>>183767698
this image is so fucking good

>>183767698
>Soon

>>183767698
>My face
>My soul

pistols are useful

>>183766779
Just use classic captcha instead

Does anybody know how to turn a twitch clip into webm?

All vipers must fucking hang

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>>183769297
Birds kill and eat snakes
Pigeons are fucking everywhere
Coincidence I think not

webm related

>>183769109
how do you use classic captcha

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>>183769625
I don't know about just using the site
as is, but 4chanX has it in it's options
menu.

>>183769625
Have you never looked in the settings?

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Post your S T E A L T H B O I S.

>>183766471
Is LW2 really that bad? I haven't played it and I only hear bad things, aside from the fact that it has official support.

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>>183770318
A fuckton of RNG on the strategic layer making it very possible for the aliens win without you even being able to do anything.

>>183770318

In my deeply flawed casual opinion, on the Tactical side of things, LW2 is really really good. On the strategy side of things, it's flawed and covered in unnecessarily obscure and confusing mechanics.

I think overall i have 3 big complaints about the strategy side of things, 1 is that getting missions is RNG, second is that there are way too many mechanics involved in mission generation, Advent Strength, Vigilance, force level and maybe more(that not even taking into consideration how many things can modify these things), and third, they don't tell you dick about how any of it works. Oh and Dark Events spawning in countries that you haven't contacted so you can't stop them.

>>183771009
>Oh and Dark Events spawning in countries that you haven't contacted so you can't stop them.
Do you think it would be better if they were more frequent (Enough that countering all of them would extremely hard) but only in territories you have contacted?

>>183771129

I don't think they need to be more frequent, but even if they were it would still be an improvement.

>>183771129
>counter dark event missions can only spawn in contacted territories, but you can only counter a few
>viper rounds, mk3 advent, shredder, greater faceless, scopes and veteran spawn
>have to choose 1 or 2 to counter and let the rest activate
Nope.

>>183771586
No, I meant that they spawn individually but you're capacity to do them is limited by your troops rather than some arbitrary game play mechanic. If you have a strong and large enough roster you would be able to attempt to counter All of them

>>183771009
Not to mention the shear douchebaggary that is trap missions, another unexplained mechanic that is only there to be annoying since it's so obvious once you know they exist. I preferred the LW1 giant landed supply barge in the early months that you weren't expected to be able to take, but if you were good and prepared you could.

Instead, everything in the early game of LW2 is just too geared in favor of the computer, it's play near perfect, or lose. Even on Rookie it feels like the game doesn't pull any punches.

>>183771831
Technically all landed alien ships could be traps, 30+ enemies on a small scout anybody?

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>>183771586
When the mission pops up, you just gotta take it no matter what

>>183771009
But what you said (besides rng) is a good thing.
It requires you to be good at strategical layer too, you can't win game anymore by just being god in tactical layer.
XCOM is a tactical/strategy game, not just tactical.

>>183772793
That'd be fine if they told you anything on how to actually do that.
Or if the game was designed to play like that.
Or if RNG didn't screw you out of your campaign.
Or if managing squads, guns, and items among 30 characters wasn't so numbingly tedious.

Or if LW2 was actually good.

>>183772793

You'd be right if the mechanics they added to the strategy layer were actually good, alternatively, if they told you what they are and how they work, you know, like a good strategy game.

But that's not the case, so it's shit.

>>183772793
>XCOM is a tactical/strategy game, not just tactical.
Not as it stands, WotC is going to be a big step in that direction, but the strat layer is barely there. LW2 strat layer "mechanics" are mostly hidden and the only way to really interact with them is hidden behind several layers of rng.

>when lw2 auto assigns soldiers to your squads
Who the fuck are these people in my infiltration squad? Get out.

>>183773005
I just hate the managing part. You juggled like two squads with a few extras in long war 1 and they don't spam you with as many missions

>regret you have red mist enabled
>console doesn't work, since only this green top of comand line appear

Fuck, what can i do? Someone know other way to diable it or a way to fix console?

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>>183773261
>You juggled like two squads with a few extras in long war 1
What? You're kidding right?

>>183773605
That's all your troops, you had extras but they hung around in the hanger until you needed them for a specific mission, and you were only ever equipping and managing one squad, then swapping out a few people depending on the map/mission

Long war2 has three missions constantly going

I was told that completing missions in LW2 would promote your troops without needing to kill people, is that true? Missions are usually too difficult for these scrub troops to directly confront the enemy, and my dudes aren't leveling up much.

>>183774027

Yes, that's how it works. But did you believe it would be easy or fast to level up your troops? Fool! You are a fool! FOOL OF A TOOK!

>>183774143
I'm in Januray lmao

>>183766135
>expansion focuses even more on individual OP soldiers rather than large balanced squads
>taking out what made xcom fun losing massive numbers of soldiers but having a few core elites who stayed through your campaign
>now everyone is an elite
Xeno 2 when, xcom is kill

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What are they celebrating?

>>183774406

Warlock won, earth now belongs to him.

>Take 10 turns moving around the very edge of the map so I don't encounter enemies
>Finally get where I need to go
>The big pod at the start has moved to the other spot

fuck it

>>183773585
Maybe if i just edit .ini file for red mist... Can somebody tell me where i can find proper .ini file?

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
THIN MANS WAS WORST ENEMY IN FIRST GAME AND SNAKES IS WORST ENEMY IN XCOM 2
WHY THE FUCK THIS FAGGOTS IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN MUTONS OR EVEN SECTOPODS
First true FAILED mission in this campaign, lost 4/5 guys because of 3 hits through full cover in a row, and i missed 3 flank shots on them, only fuckng assault is able to kill this snakes.

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>>183778484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuzVyctY_tM
This music is so depressing, makes me want to drop this campaign.
Any advices on how to level my soldiers fast?
long dong btw

>>183778484
>failing a mission

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>>183779191
Yeah, i know
but every time i see snakes i think that THIS TIME THEY WON'T FUCK EVERYTHING UP

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>>183779291
Well, they techniclay ARE still thimints

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My god the Lost Towers is a completely different beast if you don't have bluescreen/emp when you go in, I almost took damage on multiple occasions

>>183769556
Birds are cute

Is the hunter's lodge missing chryssalids or am I going blind?

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>>183781648
>almost took damage
>MULTIPLE times
Holy shit anon how are you able to cope?

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Hello, fellow citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mg6jfOlULw
This is rather amusing.

>>183783580
>It's not really hacking if you ARE the system
Heh

Does Damage control work on Shield damage or is it just health damage?

challenge mode showcase when, it sounds interesting on paper

>new vegas riot gear + pathfinder hood helmet

who needs reapers when you can go cheeki breeki already

>>183766471
Reminder that you're a pussy bitch

>>183784268

Well, it would probably be a stream. Since we're getting Hunter info in less than an hour, that leaves 4 weeks~ until the expac comes out, and coincidentally we are also getting 4 new enemies(Priest, Purifier, Lost and Spectre), so we'll probably get info on one every week until release. So challenge mode info will probably be a weekend stream.

>shitters STILL whining about long war
No it's not muh RNG that made you lose honey bunch.

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>launch xcom 2
>Preparing to install XCOM2
>game uninstalled for no fucking reason

it was him wasn't it

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>>183784908

>>183784873
oh honey sweetie

Hunter is up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTOrnMdFTQE&feature=youtu.be

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>>183787272

Well, i can safely say i was thoroughly bored through the whole thing.

>That's right Commander, i am a hunter! Did you hear that i'm a hunter? I hunt things commander, because i'm a hunter, i've hunted humans but they ain't good prey commander so now i'm going to hunt you, because i'm a hunter
>btw my special ability is shooting at stuff

>>183787487
Looks like he gets the ability to shoot multiple times if he kills on his turn, which could be horrific.

Also grapples and a sweet pistol.

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>>183787409

As expected, Warlock remains as the undisputed best Chosen. No wonder he is the ELDER'S MOST LOYAL MEM- CHAMPION

>>183787487
He's the most threatening Chosen of them all, the normal one. Everyone else has crazy gimmicks everyone can easily play around. This guy has the power of plain shooting your head off.

>>183787272
>>183787409
Warlock > Assassin > Hunter

I see why the Warlock is embarrassed about his brother

>>183787487
he said hunt once

http://www.strawpoll.me/13529008/

Pls vote

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>>183787720

>hah, my brother might have the power of summoning exploding ghosts, mindfucking you into submission and even becoming invulnerable, while my sister can cloak and stab you from behind before you even know it, but me? I have a gun lmao

Yeah i'm real scared. Never fought a guy with high aim and high damage in xcom.

>>183787797
Yeah, so? What, someone on 4chins can't use a little hyperbole to in an attempt to start a meme now?

Why do you hate fun?

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>>183787409
YOU DARE DEFILE THIS GENERAL WITH YOUR WRETCHED VIDEO?

>>183787797

Woah calm down there memelord, someone might get hurt.

>>183788165
I'm expecting this guy to get RNG'd hard in people's playthroughs
Unless he has some guaranteed hit abilities, in which case fug

>>183788301
Check the video where he shoots through several LOS blockers. He's getting some sure hit skills

>>183787720
I predict that at release everyone is going to be complaining about the Hunter the most.

>he one shot my waifu from across the map and through full cover
>no fair

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>>183788165
Reminder that this fucks are statistically the most deadly enemy we face.

Between captive soldiers, the fatigue system, and all the bullshit ways Chosen can kill you in the early months, is the game gonna increase the number of soldiers you have on average to compensate?

>>183788301

I think more important than their abilities is going to be the randomized strengths/weaknesses. It could be very easy to get a super OP Chosen with the right RNG.

>>183788429
Eh, I think more squaddies have been lost to sneks and thinmints

>>183788429
Only because gatecrasher is ass

>>183787409
why do I have feeling he will have faceoff but with his rifle

>>183788372
>>183788301
>>183788389

I bet that ability only looks scary, it probably doesn't deal as much damage as his normal attack. Or at worst, it ensures the soldier ends up bleeding out instead of dying outright. So basically like a shit version of the Archon King's devastate.

Or more likely it takes a turn to fire so you can cancel it out by punching him in the face

>>183788482
https://xcom.com/xcom-2-stats/
sneks don't even break the top 5

>>183788552
>Or at worst, it ensures the soldier ends up bleeding out instead of dying outright.

You realize that's actually worse, right?

YOU'RE GOING BACK INTO THE TANK, COMMANDER

>>183788629
Pectoids? Really?

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>>183788629
>casualties breakdown
>3% from friendly fire

>>183788629
How the hell does the officer have more kills than the lancer

Hunter unironically seems like the most dangerous.

The other two have gimmicks but ADVENT taking potshots cause more damage than anything else in the game.

>>183788785
>>183788745
Gatecrasher

>>183788894
Explain

>>183788785
Lancers run up, maybe they kill you, maybe they stun you, or maybe the knock you unconscious.

>>183788552
The laser ability thing that can hit anyone anywhere on the map can only be avoided if you leave his LOS according to Xcom website.

>mind controlled soldier
>Accidentally get flanked by them
>Miss!
T-Thats xcom baby?

>Enemy mind controls your shitty Rookie
>He acts as shitty as Rookies usually do and misses a flank

4D chess

Just read from Firaxis employee that the hunter has vision of everyone in the map tho he can only shoot from his LOS ( He can't curve bullets)

>>183788929
They're enemies on the first mission.

>>183788998
One Mission Later:
Strengths:
Squadsight
Ever Vigilant

>>183788998
>>183789096

So it's useless.

>>183789113
So are people doing the first mission over and over again or something?

>>183789165
They kinda have to

>>183789165
I do in vanilla. Mostly because I get my ass handed to me

>>183788894

I don't think it's that. Most people play on Veteran and Gatecrasher is easy at the difficulty.

>>183788998
B R E A K L O S
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>>183789096

>Hunter sees everyone but still respects his LOS

So, what. Does he not even get Squadsight ?

If so, he's going to be a meme sniper. Just hide all your soldiers in a room and wait until he has to CQC to hit your soldiers, then flank the shit out of him

>>183788998
>Jake making memes into gameplay mechanics

>>183789270
I think he gets squadsight sans squad

>>183789165
do mods count in these? maybe all the reskins count as troopers or some shit

>>183789149
Not enough information on his strengths for me to dispute that, >>183789134 as this anon said hunter strength could buff his sniping ability. Also
>>183789134
>>183789270
he doesn't need squad sight, I said earlier that Hunter has full vision of the map, tho he needs LOS to shoot at you, if you camp in a room he could do the laser thing at you and wreck you I guess. Idk lets see how he plays on thursday stream

>>183789270
>hide all of your soldiers in a room while he stays at a distance and waits you out

God forbid he has a cover destroying attack.

>>183789368

>if you camp in a room he could do the laser thing at you and wreck you I guess

>From those hunting blinds, it can fire a Tracking Shot and target an XCOM solider from wherever they hide on the map. As soon as you see the laser-sighting beam, you have one turn to break line of sight before he takes the shot.

So if you see the laser you just hide that soldier and he can't shoot him.

>>183789368
Also because he doesn't have squadsight he doesn't get any aim penalty and we don't know how big his LOS is, could be everything he's facing since he has full map vision and you have to be either on his side or behind to avoid getting shot at.

>Hunter sees everyone, even you
>Has the ability to snipe you
>If he hits, your game crashes

>>183789270
>stack all your units in a room
>he throws a concussion grenade in and abducts a soldier before you can react

People like you are why we lost the first war

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>>183789575

>he needs to actually attack to crash the game

You're like a little babby watch this

[PUNISHES]

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>hunter is so cool!
>half his video is a montage of him getting his shit rekt

Calling it now, Lump won't even give you the laser warning from the hunter.

>>183790087

>Long War 2 for WoTC
>All Chosen attacks are instant kills
>Chosen can knock out and abduct in the same turn
>Headshot removed

Can just feel it

>>183790087

>assassin will never lose her cloaking
>hunter doesn't warn you with a laser and he can curve bullets so a marked soldier is a dead soldier
>warlock doesn't even bother summoning exploding zombies you just explode without warning

>>183790274
>>183790264
oh come on guys

they wouldn't do that

>>183790087
>enter map with hunter on it
>he has squadsight faceoff overwatch
>your whole squad is DOA

magnificent

>>183790087

>Enter the map
>Hunter triggers his Serial
>Exit the map

T-that's XCOM baby

>>183790349
Were talking about the same guy that gave etherelas an ability that punished you for missing shots, then gave it so much defense that you were basically taking coinflips.

>>183790647
That was in the base game anon.

>>183789935
>don't worry commander, the elders have sent me a hundred lives!

he literally savescums

>>183790647
I swear you guys who meme about magnificence and how evil long war devs are have never played the game start to finish. Pretty much the only magnificence ethereals get is SAA and +5 defense at 700 AR.

>>183791030
they also get distortion field, which can be an pain in the ass since they tend to sit on 4-5 muton elites

>>183791136
>kill ethereal like you were going to anyway
>distortion field gone

>>183790895
It would be hillariou if they actually could savescum.

>Game detects you savescumming and flags your save
>Chosen now get an ability where they rewind time and get to take new actions

>>183791260
>day one mod to disable this
just like true concealment :)

>>183791197
>killing an ethereal in one turn
I wish I had your luck

>>183791489
I don't like to leave them standing for fear of rift. Pathfinders were instrumental in this endeavor.

>>183791260
What we need is for Chosen to spawn every time people save scum or use the restart mission option on Ironman

No Xcom stream this week, apparently they're doing Civ V stream this week. Damn it Warlock, why'd you have to break the stream

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spooky

>>183792125
let me fucking guess, they'll be showing the nubia dlc

>>183792536
I don't play Civ, just saw a Firaxis employee saying they're doing Civ V DLC this week so stay tuned for more Xcom footage soon, so unless they stream twice a week, we won't be getting more footage soon

>>183774276
>expansion focuses even more on individual OP soldiers rather than large balanced squads
fatigue

>>183774276
Isn't Xenonauts 2 coming out this year? plus you have to rotate soldiers more since most likely you can only launch one soldier per mission then they have to rest for like a week because of the new fatigue system, so there's more squad management compared to what we have now.

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>>183769556
birds with tits ports when?

>>183783131
she'd be so much more attractive without lipstick.

>>183769556
Pigeons are the original XCOM. Humans only had to get involved when the snakes got extraterrestrial.

>>183770318
No it's not ppl want something to whine about.

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>>183790264
>Headshot removed
Now that would make lost missions alot more fun.

>reading all the comments about the Hunter and LOS
The Hunter always has LOS, but that doesn't mean he has LOF.
In x-com, LOS and LOF were two quite seperate things, not so much in the new xcoms.

So do the Chosen have to successfully abduct your soldier to gain knowledge (successful abduction in the sense where you don't rescue them) cause I kinda want to proc the Chosen Avenger mission but at the same time, I don't want my soldiers to get abducted and die in some faraway facility like cattle.

>>183794254
you can rescue them

>>183794254

I don't believe they've ever said whether your captured soldiers have to be "killed" for the Chosen to gain knowledge or whether there's a time limit on recusing a capture.

>>183794386
Yeah I know you can rescue them but do they still gain knowledge even though you rescue? I mean I could always use Rookies to feed the meter, I am pretty hyped for Chosen avenger ever since they showed it at THE ELDERS MOST LOYAL CHAMPION inside look.

>>183794512
Alright, well there's only 2 ways they get knowledge and that's them interrogating in the battlefield and abducting, maybe successful abduction without rescue gives 2 bars instead of 1. I feel like there should be a time limit when it comes to rescue missions, why would they keep a POW.

>>183794254
Jake said they have other ways to gain knowledge, and that you can't keep them from gaining knowledge totally.

>>183794981
Thanks, good to know.

I also read if you kill the Chosen ( not perma kill, so outside their lair) you get 5 AP and if they run away you get nothing.

>>183771009
The only legitimate criticism here is the lack of documentation.

Advent Strength (aka alert level) is the biggest modifier, and modifies pod sizes and number of pods. It grows in response to XCOM operations. The growth does not occur if the supply raid/troop column reinforcement is interdicted by XCOM. ADVENT can also request emergency UFO reinforcements periodically if you're laying the smackdown hardcore.

Vigilance is a direct reflection of how scared the forces in that region are of XCOM. They will shut down certain mission types (namely VIP/jailbreak) at high levels. High vigilance also means they will attempt counter insurgency like retaliations.

Force strength is just how far you are in the game. ADVENT periodically gets new units as the campaign goes on.

>>183773005
Whining about RNG in XCOM is about as stupid as it gets. I get that you might feel shafted when you're having trouble getting a region liberated, but I heard for months that XCOM 2 had a too simplistic strategy layer; and they were right. In the base game, every campaign is pretty much the same on the strategy layer. Here there's a bit more planning involved, and frankly I think most players can cope with it.

And complaining about managing squads, weapons, resources and armor in XCOM is just laughable.

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>get my entire squad ready for Viper King by Overwatching on the plateau in front of the dead person
>send a guy to trigger his arrival
>Viper King does his thing, darts for cover
>my Shotgun Ranger with 5% instant kill chance fires first
>EXECUTED

Death... is whimsical today.

>>183796092
>letting repeaters kill rulers
100% faggot confirmed.

what enemy has your repeater proc'd on the most?
for some reason they just love faceless for me

>>183796641
I never use them.

>>183796641
berserkers, even the queen, guess they hate bitches with perma pms

>civ 6 stream for shit civ instead of xcom this week
Nice.

>>183796037
The strat layer in LW2 is sitll pretty damn simplistic and you don't get to interact with much of that in any meaningful way. Its just sit back and hope that something falls in your lap. A meaningful way to interact with those mechanics would be like the new missions that are going to be introduced in WotC, or use the haven soldiers in more meaningful ways than the three jobs they have right now. Let me put some rebels on a job that will help me reduce strenght or vigilance, instead of hoping RNG will throw me a bone and give me a mission. I lost my last Legend campaign because my starting region rocketed to 7 strength before I could branch out and no missions popped up for me to counter it. I got a couple troop columns, but it wasn't enough to keep it from spiraling out of control. You can't just make a game unwinnable because of RNG on the strat layer, enough actions happen in the tact layer that it evens out, but the strategy layer can screw you in one or tow actions and lose you a game you have spent a large chunk of time playing.

>>183796554
Rulers don't deserve to be fought fairly.

>>183796813
This. Repeaters feel insanely cheap when they proc especially if you're fighting high hp enemies.

>>183796905
this

>>183796896
While I agree your influence over the strategy layer could use some work, like with resistance ring type missions that will be in WotC; I wouldn't say you're forced to wait for something to fall into your lap. Influencing region strength through rebels is done by interdicting reinforcements and resupplies, and vigilance is the primary driver of these reinforcements.

I've never played LW2 on legend, (currently lategame commander) so I have no perspective on that. But I do know that the game will ramp up a lot faster the higher you difficulty setting.

>>183796896

Go to workshop and look up "Job"

>Manufacture Job
>Guerilla Job
>Liberate Job
>Facility Hunt Job

>LW2 Rebel Job Selector

RealityMachina and RoboJumper have mods out that will fix this complaint some.

>A year since XCOM 2 released
>Only "full conversion" mod to come out is LW2
>Majority of mods are just cosmetics
I expected nothing and yet I'm still disappointed.

>>183798389
spectrum is good

>>183798389

Really?

99 % of all mods created for all games are bullshit like custom characters for games or voice packs or cheats or easy mode of some kind. Mods that are shittily done to begin with.

You're disappointed? You should've expected it. Also you're ignoring spectrum and to a lesser extent ABA.

Those are good efforts, albeit not without issues of their own and "lesser overhauls" perhaps.

>>183798463
Is it? It looks pretty janky to me.

After my long dong campaign is over I might give it a try.

>>183798389

Full conversion mods are a huge effort. The only game I can think of that has a ton of full conversion mods is Civ IV.

>>183787756
Warlock > Shadow The Edgehog > Assassin > Literal Shit > Hunter

>>183799932
What is wrong with the hunter? I don't get the hate.

I wonder if the Templar XCOM tree will include psiop abilities in addition to regular class abilities.

Think of a Templar with Fortress,Sustain and Solace.

>>183800179
he dares to defile this place with his wretched tongue

>>183800179

He's a little edgy. So is the Assassin. Warlock though is just amazing over-the-top camp.

>>183800495
Since when is being somewhat gritty a bad thing? Hunter isn't fucking models while driving a Lamborghini and getting quickscope headshots.

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>>183793465
You don't say.

>>183800495
I like the Hunter, he's got some personality. The guy seems to resent the Elders pretty strongly, which is interesting. The Warlock is top meme-tier, so he's great, but the Assassin is really boring.

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Show me your swarming +++ 0% supply raid face /xcg/

>tfw you can't play ironman because every time a soldier dies you alf-f4 to save them
it's all these customization options, fuck xcom 2 for making me feel attached to my squads. next game I swear I'll make everyone the same white dude with yellow blowout hair and throw waves of rookies at every problem.

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>>183801112

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>>183801112

>>183801153
you better don't buy wotc then

>>183801470
Man,when I get WOTC I'd still want my hero classes to be the same as the one you get in the narrative. Elena is a cute!

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>>183801112
>why can't i hold all these skulls?
As a Khornite Chaos player irl the fact that you literally mount ADVENT heads pleases me so immensely. Blood for the Commander! Skulls for the hologlobe!

Quiet Chosen when?

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>>183788161
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13529008/
>no xpiratez

>>183790087
>>183790274
>>183802148
DAY 1 MOD

except for warlock, he can stay

>>183787756
Warlock > Epic Levels of Cringe > Hunter > Assassin

Going over the top into Large Ham territory was the only way to play those roles and the latter two seemed far too sincere.

>>183803224
Sorry anon I figured ogcom would be close though

>>183769556
So when are we going to get a Beastmaster class that can either tame a doggo or a birb?

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>Skirmisher
>Ex-ADVENT soldier
>Takes a turn for every turn the enemy takes
Fucking radical.
>Reaper is just some dude that's a mix of sniper/ranger that's good at hiding
>Templar is just a psionic with more powers

Why is Warlock the only good chosen?

>>183803510
The ethereals have favored him with their blessing.

>>183800179
Warlock is hilarious and overtop meme-fuel.
Assassin is boring and edgy *unsheathes katana & teleports bhind u* nothin perosnnel kid and talks way too much.
Hunter is just the Navy Seals copypasta but faggier and shitter

>>183803224
Where my xenonauts bro at?

>>183803885
Here, surprised I was the first to vote. I like the base management and the interceptor phases but combat seem super stiff and when you get the plasma game gets really easy, fun tho.

>>183803461
Skirmishers only get extra turns if they're targeted at, so if noone targets them they dont get extra moves.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=685702241

Thoughts on this mod?

It looks like a neat idea. Kinda reminds me of Disgaea.

>>183804181
The Skirmisher ability he is talking about is called Battlelord. It is at the end and turns them into a mini alien ruler.

>>183804203

Never played it but I can tell you right now it's going to be completely unbalanced with everything.

>>183803461
More like Templars are Jedi/Sith
Reapers don't really do anything Ranger like aside from Stealth. If anything they are what the LW Scout should have been, mixed with a little bit of a Saboteur kind of class. Explosives out the ass to make sure that their stealth is maintained or regained. A class that isn't meant to do up front engagements, but to set things up for other classes or to capitalize on other classes engagements.

>>183804203
>This is an attempt to shuffle that up a bit, give the enemy more chances to shoot, and hopefully a more fluid firefight.
>give the enemy more chances to shoot
its shit

>>183803461
reapers are stalker
templars are protoss

>>183804346
Isn't battle lord "get a turn every time you're targeted"? They'll still be insanely OP since they don't have turn ending moves so if you stack a lot of moves, you'll just keep shooting.

>>183804442
Templar's seem super strong since they basically have implacable/deflect/reflect every time they use their melee plus they can swap places with enemy/squadmates and can also duplicate themselves (once per mission) while Reapers tho seem lacking when you look at them, seem insanely great with squad sight and their remote start doubles the explove dmg and range, plus with Covert ops reapers might have a lot more value if they botch it because of shadow concealment.

>>183804671
>protoss
you mean eldars

>>183804752
That ability is called Reflex. Battle lord is the 'any time an ayy does anything at all, I get to go' unless if they use revised ruler reaction rules too.

>>183804976
Oh thanks for the clarification, Shit Skirmisher's seem insanely OP ( I can see why their damage isn't that high) Reflex with Battle Lord and Layway(?) make them seem insanely strong.

>>183804852
I think you mean EXALT

>>183804976
Probably does, have to be in the line of sight. I'm more interested in the ability that lets them do any action on overwatch. I swear if this allows them to pick which target they shoot instead of just the first one to enter LoS, I could kiss them. So many times I've had Overwatch trigger on pod leaders that have no chance of being hit.

Is killing lilly considered save scumming?

>>183805806
Layway gives you a free action instead of an overwatch shot so I am assuming you can choose.

>>183806129
depends on your answer to this question

Given the chance, would you drop a load on her fat ass? Nobody would know unless you wanted them to.

>>183806129
yes

>>183805123
I think Templars will be the best of the bunch. Making cover? You know how insanely powerful that is both defensively and offensively? Tricking stupid Advent into taking it as a cover option to move up is going to be too easy and then it just disappears the next turn and they have no cover. Teleporting enemies so they are out of cover, while putting yourself next to the enemies that are easy to kill? We don't know how far Volt jumps, but I hope it's at least Grenadier grenade range. Some kind of disorient blast, possibly with a chance of stun. Being able to reflect a shot, meaning leaving them out in the open after slashing someone is not only completely safe, but also damage beneficial. And then the two holy mother of skills, Psi Storm and Ghost. I don't think anyone needs to tell you how stupid powerful these skills are.

>>183806493
The amount of focus you have is the how much volt jumps so max of 3. The deflect shield thing is an option tho, so it's either you move (after you use rend which is the melee) or you use deflect so it's kinda risky, if you want to play it safe and go to cover or go hard and use your deflect (it's single deflect per use)

>>183806705
I know how many times it jumps, but we don't know the range. No way they are going to allow that thing to jump to anything in your line of sight. It has to have some kind of fall off.

>>183784908

Check other games anon, it might be Steam or it might be your hard drive

>>183806817
Ah shit read it wrong, well I do hope it's grenade radius like what you said. Yeah Templar looks like the strongest of the bunch and Skirmisher comes to a close second just because they can have a shit ton of movements.

>>183806242
You know it. I Eiffel tower her with a spark

>>183807302
Skirmisher's strength is just going to be very variable, since his abilities rely on enemy circumstance, rather then the Templar's more RNG ramp up of gaining focus drops from other peoples kills, or simply killing targets with Rend.

Having his cooldowns up for long chain of attacks is going to be key to using him well. I think the two will be pretty close to kills per mission. Reaper might edge them out just because of Remote Start though. It's easy to forget just how many fucking explosives are on a map and with that sit rep that fills maps with explosives, hell. I can't wait to blow up a ton of Advent that thought that car was a fine place to sit.

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>WW1 XCOM
>1700's XCOM
>Medieval XCOM

>>183807868
Yep, Skirmisher's lack of fire power (they do less damage) will be made up by how versatile they'll be with how much moves they can make and even on OW, with Layway they can take actions rather than shoot the first guy in their LOS. I think reaper would be kinda effective if they can bring at least 2 claymores but besides that they make great scouts at least and their damage while lacking is still good if you can keep staying in shadow conceal and they'll be valuable in stealth missions which I think WOTC will have a lot more like the rescue and assassination missions.

>>183808346
I think every Reaper I get, I'm hoping for Shadowstrike. They seem like they will be really good for a high crit build. But yeah, stealth missions with them are going to be insane. Don't they get an ability that marks all targets they see, so even targets in the fog are still known to you? Recon like that is way to important in this game. Will never run into a pod on escape ever again.

>>183808116
medieval XCOM is magical monsters invading from another reality with magitek. With your wizards reverse engineering it.

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Does this mission expire? Just had my best soldiers get the shit kicked out of them hacking the tower.

>>183808706
Yeah it was shown in the stream (that was never uploaded) they're basically highlighted so you see them when they enter fog of war which is pretty great. Almost all their skills too let them reenter shadow concealment too if i remember it correctly so you can take pot shots pretty frequently at higher rank and just go back to conceal which is pretty strong since A.I don't really know how to fight against concealed enemies although one strength of a chosen could be "REVEAL ALL CONCEALED UNITS" which will fuck your reaper up, imagine the hunter getting that strength, no conceal + his eagle eye see the whole map bullshit.

>>183808838
I'd buy it. I wish they made the bureau into a strat game instead of a 3rd person shooter I enjoyed it tho, pretty fun.

>>183807552
Then no it's not savescumming

>>183809065
No, once it's known to you, you can go on it at any time. The thing is though, Advent will try to strengthen the region, so the mission might be harder later if you leave it for a bit.

>>183809065
No it's permanent until completion. Don't wait too long though, ADVENT will continue increasing the alert level there.

>>183809249
>>183809285
What happens when I complete it?

>>183809462
The region is liberated from ADVENT control. After which you can set everyone to supply and rake in the cash. Also if you post an engineer to the liaison slot you get more supplies.

>>183809149
Yeah, I saw that on the Warlock. Fucking hell that is going to be too powerful. Having all my scouts get fucked and not even be able to re enter concealment until the chosen are gone is just horrific. Also, yeah, I have seen how poorly the AI handles not being able to 'see' you. Rogue class mod made that really clear with reposition. That do over has saved my ass and is completely broken. Any class that can attack and keep stealth just means the enemy runs around. Though who knows if they upgraded the AI now. They might actually try to locate you by flanking positions. Just means corner cover is that much better now..

>>183809462
You liberate that Region and now have to defend it from Advent.

>>183808838
>Castle base defense
>Burning ayys at the stake
>Lazer crossbow
>Deus Vult

forced evac from most missions ruined my buzz for LW2

>>183811748
>throw flare when close to objective
wow so hard

>>183811829
>no satisfaction of clearing every ayy off the map
>no corpses
>is the sole reason "0% supply raid" even exists
no

>>183811979
more often than not you do clear every ayy off the map

I mean explosions are pretty attractive sounds

I'm thinking about increasing the maximum squad size to 8 and dedicating a slot to a Combat Hacker Specialist. I never used those; whenever I was given the choice, I'd pick a Medkit promotion (except Haywire). Are Combat Hackers worth it?

>>183813302
In missions with robots, yes, and they get some good AoE attacks as well.

>tfw you hate long war 2 but love the mods it has for it

fuck you idle suppression

>>183813302
I dont know how anyone can live without combat protocol its just sooo good

>>183814070
I'll try them out then.

>>183814173
I know. No way am I going to choose waking a soldier up over that.

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>>183787272
>>183787409
>0:54
>long ass shot goes straight through a wall, killing the soldier
WALLS CONFIRMED NON-EXISTENT.

>>183814145

Idle Suppression doesn't require LW2.

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>>183804203
>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=685702241

Good concept needs work however

>>183808116
Play Massive Chalice and leave XCOM Alone

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How fucked am I ?

>>183814145
Idle suppression is a stand alone in fact to use it and LW you need to do extra.

>have not one, but TWO shredder granadiers with rapid fire
>equip them with sup. scope, sup autoloader and sup repeater
>have a psion with inspire up their ass

And that is how ayys lost their rectal virginity. Repeatedly.

>liberation mission need 15 days to 100% infil

great, it's not like I need 1/4th of my army

>>183815962
Shoulda trained more Rookies.

>>183814398
>>183814173
revival is so good in LW though. it's like a soft counter to sectoid bullshit

>>183815962
boost it and you'll be five days less

>>183815330

i dont consider ticking one extra box much of "extra"

>>183814462
Yeah, the hunter has no LoS. He sees the entire map and if you are in his cone of attack, he can hit you. At least it's targeted and not just random who he will attack. Just move out of his attack.

anyone know if you can pull guys out of psi/officer/awc tubes for avenger defense?

take that 30% shot commander
just do it

>>183817674
>Remember someone saying that it feels like the enemy hits more often because they're more likely to take that 30% shot
>Do it myself
>Fucking murder that bitch
It felt so good.

>>183817674
Overwatch, aye aye.

>>183817674
I remember the day I started taking rapid fire pretty much any time I get the opportunity. I saw bagel do it once in an EXALT mission and have done it since in LW1&2.

Even when the shot is like 43% that's two shots as opposed to one 58%. And if it misses you get locked on for the second shot, if it hits hard then executioner will make it a 63%.

>>183816859
Nor do I but the point stands

>>183814937
>Play Massive Chalice

Don't tell people to play shit games. It's not nice.

>>183814937
>Massive Chalice
I'd rather play XCOM on rookie with all aliens having 1 HP and no avatar project/timers. Even then it'd still be harder than that piece of shit Double Fuck game. Fuck (((Tim Schafer)))

>>183819864
3.3 is a (((Tribesman?)))

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>>183787272
>>183787409
>they saved this for last instead of the Warlock

>>183820573
He's the "coolest".

I miss how quick and quiet old XCOM was compared to 2.
>COMMANDER THE AVATAR PROJECT IS ADVANCING IN CASE YOU FORGOT I'M GOING TO WASTE 20 SECONDS TAKING CONTROL AWAY FROM YOU AND MOVE THE CAMERA WHILE REPEATING THE SAME LINE OVER AND OVER AGAIN
>COMMANDER THE OUTCOME OF THIS RESEARCH HAS BEEN VERY EXTRAORDINARY
>COMMANDER WE DON'T HAVE ANY ASSIGNED RESEARCH, WASTING TIME AND RESOURCES
>I CAN SEE WHY YOU'D CHOOSE THAT VENUE OF RESEARCH COMMANDER MY TEAM AND I WILL GET RIGHT ON IT
>COMMANDER ADVENT IS ATTACKING ONE OF OUR CAMPS WE NEED TO GET THERE ASAP
>COMMANDER WE NEED TO ESTABLISH CONTACT WITH THE LOCAL RESISTANCE
>Takes 10 seconds to go to research lab
>Takes 10 seconds to go to barracks
>Takes 10 seconds to go to hologlobe
>Takes damn near two minutes to pick a mission, Skyranger animation to play, soldiers loading up animation to play, Skyranger animation again, Skyranger loading screen, soliders leaving Skyranger, Central to yell at you, then the mission starts (none of this is accounting for outfitting soldiers either)
>Animations are slow as fuck and awkward even with mods
>Still buggy and unoptimized a year later

>>183822292
that shit was in the last game faggot

>>183822292
For me it's the opposite, I can't stand the slowness of EW.

>>183822292
X2 is just chatty, it isn't really any slower than EW. And honestly, Shen and Vahlen chatted at you too, they were just more likable than Shen 2 and Tygan.

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WHO'S BREAKING LOS NOW FUCKER

>>183822292

And now you'll hear the Chosen, ADVENT radio, and resistance radio chatting at you non-stop in the strategy layer.

>>183823573
>uncheck ambient narrative
:^)

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>LW1
>Still have only ballistic weapons
>No MEC or gene mods yet
>all alloy armour is broken
>best troops are still recovering from a terror mission

SHEEEEEEEIIIIITTTTTT

>>183824558
Send 1 scout with mobility out the ass, and stealth navigate that shit to the end.

>>183824558
It's EZ if you know what you're doing. I always get it around gauss+carapace because I play with the dlc on

>>183824558
>playing with repair enabled

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>>183824679
>>183824764
>>183824861

I am gonna grenade every single fish I see.

>>183825110
Good luck and watch for the thin man pod

>enemies hit my grenadier on a 25% and 35% in a row, killing him
fucking rip

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>>183825161
Everyone line up for the fucking XCOM buffet!

>>183826019
Hope you have AP nades.

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>>183826019
You dun fucked up

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>>183822292

Is there any way to stop the pestering barks from Tygan and Lilly? I especially hate with a passion the bark from Shen about not having an Engineer assigned to anything with a passion. When you're late game and you've run out of places to staff your Engineers having Lily whinge at you drives me up the wall

that said, will there be more than one base defence in WotC do you think? I know the Chosen can intiate one if they get enough intel but besides that? It also struck me as odd how you could dedicate one room in the Avenger to use for base defence and then staff an Engineer inside then as soon as you do the mission the room is basically useless unless you manage to get the dark event too (Can you even get two in one campaign in vanilla?)

>>183825860
>new month comes immediately after
>can just buy a new grenadier for cheap
ha

>>183826240
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=655124816&searchtext=quiet+bradford

>>183826252
>putting a price on your men
sick

>>183826425
that new grenadier came with fucking implacable so you bet your ass im happy about it

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>>183826185
>>183826219
Time to try again. I think I can use close combat specialist as a finisher if I can get the grenades off.

>>183826906
I recommend not pulling every nid on the map all at once. Swing to the right at the start, move through the house killing the zombies, then move into the market to set up and murder some nids there.

>>183799091
Mount and blade yo

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He might clash with my roster's aesthetic, but damn it, he gets the job done.

>>183826906
>>183827117
This is a reasonable video to watch for advice. If it works in LW, it'll super work for you in vanilla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYgIET5oZ5I

>>183827160
True, but that game is ancient at this point, and there will never be another sequel. X2 still has some time.

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Im so sick of m gus getting shot thru high cover ruining what would otherwise be flawless missions.

I start taking crazy risks after I see I lost the flawless run because I just want to get the mission over with. Whats worse is they all pay off and no one else gets hurt. Only the guy who was in high cover during my cautionary play phase. It's bullshit.

>>183827487
>there will never be another sequel
You just gotta believe anon. That, and hope Turkey doesn't shut down the studio.

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>>183808116
>medieval
>you hire witches and shit to reverse engineer invader shit
>this angers the population which can kick you in the ass later on
>fucking trebuchet bombings
>charge ability for Knights

>ww2
>have to pick a side
>balancing ayys with enemy armies
>later down the road you save/get saved by another army
>join forces
>btfo ayys and then duke it out with other fuckers in the war
>

>>183826019
Dude, get a mec and use the area shoot zone ability to take out the sharks.

Don't waste nades on those.

And get someone with mobility to rush to the ship while having the rest of your squad on the shoore on perm-overwatch

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>>183822292
I don't see any problem with the chatter.

>>183826425

Oh, neat. Thanks anon!

>>183828354
He's playing long war. Collateral damage is not a base mec ability and mecs don't become available until the mid late summer

>>183828745

Is it me or are her tits lopsided in that drawing?

>In before women's breasts are naturally lopsided, I know.

>>183827490
The lesson to be learned here is to play aggressively and not defensively

What about a mod for xcom2 that just gives the aesthetic armor options of xcom1?

>>183829587
The artist was attempting perspective. It's difficult to execute sometimes.

>>183829719
Already exists.

>ranger just got Guardian
so I should just start stacking aim on this guy right?

>>183829992
Hair triggers and aim

>>183828310
Those devs always look like they're genuinely having a good time.

ironman has been pretty fun so far, personally
only 1 person dead and I already have t2 equipment, maybe I actually am good at this game

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>>183826019

how the fuck do i counter lmaofaceless on early missions?

>>183832067
battle scanners
your own personal intuition
they dont like running around, I find

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>He doesn't name his soldiers Grenadier Unit_004, Ranger Unit_012, etc.
>He doesn't make all his soldiers wear full body armor head to toe so you can't tell the difference between them
>He doesn't disable voices, or download a robotic voice pack to use for all soldiers
>He lets his soldiers have nicknames
>He forms an emotional attachment to his soldiers
It's like you WANT the aliens to win.

>>183833696
If their lives don't matter I won't play as well

Anyone else have a problem with Berserkers where on reveal they enter bullet time, and no overwatch fire triggers and it stays right where it was revealed?

>>183834753
Sounds like the berserker was on the edge of the sightline.

>>183833696
Keep your disgusting anonymous soldier fetishes to yourself, creep

>>183834753
This is a known bug, it happens with Andromedons and Berserkers alike. Basically, what happens is that they go for a melee attack and are interrupted by a melee attack in return or by certain abilities triggered on overwatch. This causes them to get stuck in slow mo movement for awhile. They still do stuff, but animations won't play and that sort of thing. No real solution beyond just letting it happen, it usually resets itself over time.

>>183829540
Well, that sucks for him.

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>>183829671
I do play aggressive. Notice I said crazy risks.

Regardless it happened again. /Sigh another mini vacation and no bonus loot - F-U RNGesus.

PISTOLS ARE USEFUL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U02E2sjwlLM

Redpill me on the spokesman

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>>183836446
He is a respectable lawyer with the practice T. Hinman and Elders

>>183836446
The spokesman is actually your mom.

Once Advent formed she finally got that "gene therapy" she has wanted all those years.

>>183836779
Also it's speaker not spokesman.

>>183836738
>>183836779
>confusing the speaker for the spokesman
this is why xcom lost

Why am I not getting the Psi Gate mission?
I did the vial research, ADVENT stasis suit research and the codex brain research.

>>183837104
did you skulljack a codex?

>>183837104
Decrypt alien data.

>>183837047
Ah well Cato is voiced by Jon Bailey and has an awesome voice.

>>183837104
You have to research the codex data as well I think.

>>183836987
>>183837047
I wasn't even involved in that and I still feel bad for mixing it up myself.

>>183837047
Oh you mean the Honest Trailers guy. Yeah there's your redpill. He formed XCOM so he could keep doing Honest Trailers. Advent outlawed social media.

>Sectopod stands up