/scg/edg/ Star Citizen + Elite Dangerous General#183: Milking

first for scam citizen

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*delays content for over a year*

>>183600974
>grabs your wallet
>lies into your face
>tickles sandy

also ded "game" ded thread

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>has done more in alpha than eve in 15 years

>>183609371
SC doesn't have mining yet.

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>>183609428

>walk on stations
>cockpits

>>183609371

>15 years

lol? I thought there was a first person flight mode

planet landings yet?

>>183609746

Its just point and click. eve is a 80's game. SC is modern. They even removed a small "captain's quarters" component where you could see the avatar. Even that was atrocious!

>>183609845
Come back in month.

>>183609893
i love and support this game but damn, ive been hearing that one month response for a while

>>183610072
To be fair, when they released the schedule, things did seem like they were coming along quicker until various things got predictable delayed.
Evocati was supposed to start 3-4 weeks ago originally, but the delays were communicated in the schedule.

>>183610072
Yeah so you can guess what I'm gonna tell you when you come back next month.

>>183609428

Botting in SC will be hell! Even with static roids I think it will be problematic.

>>183610215

Depends on how many people the ship can have, the npc's and how orders are issued.

If your toon can sit your ass in the captains chair of a orion and control everything by issuing orders then you can bot since most micro is done by the game AI itself.

The prospector will be a different matter though. I think it only carries one. Depends if roids are static and if theres a way to return to the same place for mining.

>>183610476

Ah yes. Botting cargo missions might work too.

FYI crysis has working multiplayer, with multiple enterable vehicles, working FPS mechanics etc etc.

obviously its been out for nearly 10 years and not in early access, it's functional and available for a reasonable price but don't let that put you off, you can still imagine what SC could be like when you play it.

>>183610924
Or I can just play 2.6.3 since SC has most of that shit already.

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>he wants to live in space with his friends

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I got the black skin presale version and upgraded it to the Recon variant? Did I fuck up?

>>183614525
I did exactly that. You are good my friend.

When a ship changes in price, does CIG exchange your goods/asks for the difference or does it maintain?

For example, will the people that got a cutlass see their package increase in value?

>>183616456
Yes, your ship is always worth the store value.

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>>183616456
Depends on your definition of value. The CCU value goes up obviously, but you're not suddenly gonna get more store credits for melting it.

Is SC ded yet?

>>183617945
Never, and only will it die upon release. How will they maintain servers?

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a e s t h e t i c

Anyone got invited to evo yet?

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>hurr durr Elite is unplayable
>meanwhile I'm having fun
>meanwhile SC gets eternally delayed

>>183621042
Me :)

>>183622935

But anon. No trial/free flight weekends/plex/token item.

It doesnt even exist!

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>>183612351

>>183622935
ED is the most playable space sim to date

It's just not fun

So I've read in several different places that marked slaves can be turned into a li yong-rui control system if you're pledged to him for 5 merits each. But I'm finding that this isn't the case. I can't even turn them in at lembava.

Did this get removed and I can't find any information on it or what because I'm getting butthurt over here with a cargo hold full of slaves I spent too long acquiring.

Will 3.0 have different stats for combat suits?

>>183624706

>because theres literally nothing else since Freelancer

lel

>>183625989
It's the Indian, not Chinaman.

>>183628532

I guess I just have to accept that I'm going to have to jettison all these fuckers.

I don't know why there's two guides for getting li yong rui merits that list marked slaves as a piracy commodity and and no one ever fixed it or called bullshit. I guess it's just a ded gaem

Where do I go for PvP in E:D (besides Eravate or Sothis & Ceos)?

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*refactors your ship*

>>183629059
CGs or look up the Galactic Combat Initiative

>>183600606
>>183614525
Wait, is it still possible to get in black or was that a pre-sale thing only? I haven't been following the project much these past few weeks but I saw this images and have been thinking of getting one...

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*keeps the thread alive*

>>183600606
I suck at E:D I got a hotas,and it is hard.... any tips? Also What is the best vulture build without dlc,or is trading/passengers better than bounty hunting?

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>>183630034
Pre-sale only. Also, don't bother unless you really want a land vehicle you can barely transport. It doesn't really have good value for its price point.

>>183630813
Passenger runs are good money makers. I mainly do massacre and bounty hunting missions though. Vulture's two main weaknesses are a very low boost speed (makes escaping difficult) and poor power management. There isn't really a best vulture build but I'd recommend a gimbled multicannon and gimbled beam if you can manage the power for it. If not a burst. The multi will be good for power plant sniping. Leaves ships dead in the water and shoot it enough the ship will blow up. Make sure you have A rated thrusters, distributor and power plant. You might be able to get away with B rated thrusters in the vulture.

General flight tips are to find an asteroid and practice using thrusters to maneuver around it. Thrust up and down to circle and use your main engines to maintain distance with FA off. Though with the vulture fighting larger ships you can often just fly around them so long as you stay in the blue zone of your speed.

>>183630813
Passengers are max comfy
https://eddp.co/u/JoUNA7gp
That's a good Vulture

>>183631934
>>183631512
what ship do I use for passenger?

>>183630813
Get a courier instead my man

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>>183631270
ya I don't have a ship to transport it anyways, but I don't really care, it looks sweet and I don't have a ground vehicle.

Who knows, maybe with the Redeemer rework sometime in the next [decade] pic related will happen and I can ferry it along with me. If not, oh well.

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We can keep it going!

>>183634387
but why

I made the last two threads and I don't see the point in limping this along if we can't get past 100 posts. if it's true 3.0 is going to evocati we'll bounce back then.

>>183600606
>old thread
>links a goon shitpost

>>183634584
I like talking about ED here because the official forums are full of drones and I fucking hate Reddit's stupid goddamn alien logo mascot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia8ZPfAlfOw
>3.0 trailer
>half of it isn't even in 3.0

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Where the 6 pack bangbus variant though?

>>183635368
dude, upboated.

>>183636274
the trailer wasn't even made by CIG so I hear, PCgamer made it to hype their next issue about 3.0

I am not going to reinstall the heaping trash pile that is E:D but I'm curious:

If I have an anaconda + 100m or so, is there still RNG bullshit to get weapons worth a damn?

Have they even added other meaningless things to do besides the BH, trading, and exploration?

Are there any exploits?

>>183638116
Exploration is the new meme and its not even an explot

You can get 600k from ONE detailed surface scan now

>>183638368
How soon till they patch it? I heard that they nerfed the fuck out of trading a few months back and instantly uninstalled.

>>183638442
This is an intentional change that they implemented only about a month ago
It's not like Sothis/Ceos where an edge case in the algorithms creates an unintentionally high payout

It's not going away any time soon

>>183639650
But I thought FDev was obsessed with eliminating all profits entirely and any sort of bump in revenue was quickly nerfed? Huh.

>>183640492
>obsessed with eliminating all profits entirely
They tried. You are only supposed to take 3 at a time, but there are plenty of ways around that. The higher payout was a consolation for the poor griefers who were being kept from their Corvettes.

>>183632137
Whatever your price range is. Usually passenger cabins size 4 and up are preferable. Type series, ASPX, and up make decent travelers. Good jump range is important.

What ever happened to that SC referral contest? I remember when it was announced some anon was using google ads to btfo streamers. Did he win?

>>183632137
1mil - Cobra III
5 mil - Type-6 or Dolphin
20 mil - Asp X

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"Leaked" screenshot from reddit. Not sure if its real or not.

Which $55 variant of the buggy is the best choice? Turret, radar or racing?

>>183643149
Radar or turret.

>>183643149
The turret would probably be useless. The radar model could be good for team play.

>>183643149
When does the LTI/concept sale end? I was thinking of picking one up after 3.0 releases

>>183644163
August 2nd.

>>183642737
Nevermind it was some rping faggot.

>>183618091
>pump out a $500 ship concept but it's limited time offer and you gotta act now

5 million bucks on a whim

also you know that part where servers are owned by the company who owns the game's engine, and theyre probably not gonna be so quick to shut down the only real game that will ever be made in lumberyard

can the ursa and greycat be melted down from the $110 package?

i dont need useless vehicles but i do have alot of ships that are useless

just want the turretted cyclone
>only a single size 1 gun
>literally worse than a bike in every way other than firing upward possibly
>still want it

>>183645649
Get the radar one fag.

>>183645649
You can't melt individual items in a package

>>183645649
>only a single size 1 gun

For perspective, 25mm auto cannons fit in that category, and it's iffy on if the bikes will have a spot for an ammo box

>>183645825
ok, good, my herald is safe

for now

>>183646068
ok, well for perspective in SC, 2 size 1 guns on a $35 bike that goes faster with a smaller silohuete is more useful than a slower jeep with a single size 1. energy weapons or otherwise. besides nobody is going to be able to effectively do anything with guns that arent badgers anyway

if they add some new mechanic for it that lets it carry like 3x more ammo if you mount a ballistic, maybe but they wont do that

>>183600606
When can we expect the real 3.0?

I mean when will all the things that were originally stated for 3.0 be in the game, instead of this gutted 3.0 thing they're pulling?

>>183647078
Next week

>>183647078
try next year

>>183647078
Yes

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>>183647078
February 2018

>>183647078
Not until 3.2 (if they include MicroTech), which will probably come next year.

>>183648576
>giving a serious response
all you're going to get in return is a shitpost about how you're blindly optimistic to the point of denial and it's never happening, or something similar.

>>183648659
Literally this. Never respond to anyone who talks about how mad they are that 3.0 is gutted. They're probably just fishing for replies so they can shitpost.

Is there any penalty for being a dick to NPCs in Alliance space, as long as I don't die there?

It's not like having a bounty in the Alliance will affect me when I'm in Empire territory, right?

spess legs?

>>183648659
>>183649150
Wow, talk about insecure. I never claimed its not going to happen, I just want some fucking accountability. That and the game I paid for, that they said I would get.

>>183652774
It's not about insecurity, it's about experience. I've seen it happen a dozen times.

The fact is, if someone has invested in SC, there's a 99% chance they know about the schedule report. If they do, then they know it outlines when CIG expects to get things done. And if someone's been following this project for more than a week, they know what those dates really mean.

There's a very small possibility that the person asking is an idiot, but the most likely outcome by an overwhelming majority is that they're shitposting. Deal with it.

>>183652447
Just play 3.0 if it ever comes out

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>>183652447
No, triangles.

>>183656891
What if the missiles were filled with bees though?

Just how far can the Diamondback Scout's jump range be pushed? Scout, not Explorer. I've got mine just shy of 28ly now, but I'm also a filthy casual.

>>183658315
Would impair efficiency, unless the bees were square.

>>183656891
>>183660936
What if the AA cyclone can mount rocketpods instead of missiles.
We Grad buggy now?

>>183662327
nah you'll have to upgrade to the $10 more version that lets you aim lower

why would I use a fighter hangar over an actual wingman?

>>183664183
Most fighters won't have the range to accompany ships big enough to have a hangar on long trips, so you save fuel by putting it in a hangar.

>>183663860
Rockets will arc in gravity fampai

Have you already established a clan for Star Citizen? It's us vs the Daddies of Plebbit.

>>183667042
we have several

>>183667042
KWA represent

>>183664183
>>183664285
And you get to do this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XcBsmVgC3s

>>183667042
>playing with a /vg/ meme clan with the people in this thread

i plan to take this game somewhat seriously given the time and money i have invested in it but thanks. also this general is full of actual normies with life priorities along with maybe 15-20 people who are not going to be playing casually after buying whatever their endgame ship is

maybe for 3.0 if there are some people doing actual, professional, organized piracy then being in an org will matter

>>183664285
that's bullshit but I believe it

>>183667880
all you had to say was 'I'm joining a reddit guild'.

>>183667943
well it's testable in the PU currently, smaller ships have laughable fuel economy for jumping within systems

you can always hire double your ship's capacity in escorts, then have them trade off on time in the hangar to refuel/rearm

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*is unhappy with a cupholder in the cockpit and delays the patch for 12 months*

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>>183668729
*forgets to put the little fan back into cutlass rework cockpit*
>b-but chris it's fine just please give 3.0
*allocates all the frankfurt planet tech resources to developing fan-spinning tech*

Can you put missile racks on missile racks? If you took the MSD-683 (Fits on size 6 hardpoint, allows 8 size 3 missiles) you could attach eight MSD-341's to it (Fits on size 3, holds 4 size 1) for a total of 32 size 1 missiles per size 6 hardpoint. Load them with cluster missiles for extra fun.

>>183656891
what if the missiles were hex shaped

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>overhears sean murray lying violently about simulating different atmospheres
>decides to do it for real

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>navy
>no airforce
>no U.N. Spacy
>no space marines

gay

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>>183669564
>no space marines
anon...

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>be august
>be gamescom
>600 concept sale announced, is revealed to be picture related

How would you react?

>>183669204

Waste of time unless all you had were strips of metal to weld/rivet into the desired shape.

A single cylinder is just as easy to make and stronger.

>>183670245
what if the hex tube is a hex missile, that has 6 triangular missiles

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>>183670310
Now we're talking

>>183670165
not sure why the redeemer hasnt already just been retconned into this

not sure theyre trying to make origin a real company tho just kinda civilian focused sportscars

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>what the cyclone TR should have except more future.

>no revolver bazooka that shoots micro missiles.
>no mini-gun turret

>>183670732
>you will never slowly guide a dual-warhead directional blast WP TOW into some poor guy in an ursa rover from your buggy 1km away as your scumbag squad goes nuts in the truck below you

i can't even think of a modern game, even simulation game where a TOW system works anything like it does irl. even the arma 2-based shit they make you play for hours before getting deployed just fires it like a slow tank round

>>183670959
point is cyclone weapon systems are outdated Vietnam tier.

>>183671124
the AA version is "improvised fireworks" pre ww2 soviet tier

the turret version is the most confusing because even some intern european whos never been in the same room with a firearm can google it real quick and see at the earliest an early 90s HMMWV turret that at least has a fuckin shield for the gunner

or you know, the halo warthog that this thing was clearly templated from real quick when someone said they needed to come up with another $40 3.0 vehicle real quick one day

>>183670959

Steel Beasts is pretty solid with TOWs.

They might waggle around a little more IRL, but it's spot on otherwise.

>tfw, there are people who make the Quince scan missions, while flying the Type 9 Heavy.
>Spending 10 minutes trying to land.
>Manually fly back to the station.
>And spend another 10 minutes, trying to dock.
They could be flying any ship...
And yet, they chose this one...

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>>183671415
>halo warthog has dual barrel mini-gun
>1st edition humvee can carry 4 people +turret guy.

>>183669178
No.
Also, no idea why they're even selling those racks. We don't even have a ship with a S6 hardpoint. The Gladiator technically has them, but you can't swap out the racks in the bay.

>>183677070
only 3 cups of coffee at once can fuel the VISION

>>183677070
why does he have 7 socks framed and hung on the wall?

>>183672000
>tfw can't do quince scans because the Scarab gives me motion sickness

>>183659763
https://coriolis.edcd.io/outfit/diamondback?code=A0pdtdFal8dds8f4------------.Iw1%2FkA%3D%3D.Aw1%2FkA%3D%3D.H4sIAAAAAAAAA2P%2BJ8XAwPCXFUjwB%2Fz%2B%2F1%2FoAjsDg0iHMAODxAtmBob%2F%2FxkAvq9RqCIAAAA%3D.EweloBhBGA2EoFMCGBzANokMK6A%3D

>>183677537
Cover your left eye while playing. No more motion sickness.

>>183677758
DON'T TRY THIS

IT CREATES MUSTARD GAS

>>183677860
o7

>>183652774
>accountability
Mad dad detected.

So has CIG totally scrapped the idea of ship-to-ship docking?

>>183678594
Yes

>>183678636
So when are they going to rework those retarded useless doors on ships then

>>183678594
I hope they have docking for big ships like the BMM.

>>183678594
in terms of ships hooking together with tubes or at some kind of universally attachable doorways, yes, for a very long while this has been scrapped

>guys the cutlass black is a pirate ship
>make it so versatile everyone wants it
>the population of lawful users with cutlasses is now significantly larger than the pirate population
Good job.

>>183678594
For now, yes. No docking in combat for boarding, you'll have to EVA. They still plan to make it so you can dock to stations at some point in the not too distant future, but ship-to-ship docking is out of the question for now because they couldn't make it work without everything exploding.

>>183678903
Are they still planning on using those dumb fucking circle doors for it?

>>183678826
The Cutlass black is the ultimate "alpha 3.0 test" ship. You can do everything 3.0 will have to offer with it.
Now I don't think that much people will keep it when new features get implemented in 3.2+...

>>183678939
I guess. The ships that are large enough to warrant docking instead of landing on a pad or inside a hangar all have them.

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Found the dev posts.

So if docking collars are gone does this mean the Connie will get a hangar now instead? Guess its getting remade for the 4th time? To somehow fit a hangar in.

>>183679135
>Aurora has them
>Cutlass doesn't
>Freelancer doesn't
>Constellation has them
>Caterpillar doesn't
>Starfarer doesn't
Nah, that shit's all over the place.

>>183679362
>starfarer doesnt
But doesnt it?

>>183678939
Considering the docking collars are now gone from the cutlass that's a no.

>>183667042
I used to be in KWA but they are degenerates, they talk about how liking dicks isn't gay

>>183679463
Pretty sure it doesn't. Where are they? I think the only exits from the ship are the catwalk and cargo ramp.

>>183678826
>most versatile ship in the game for 3.0
>is [singular role]
Wrong.

and half the cutlass owners will drop it the second their $350 pre-ordered-endgame becomes flight ready. til then 3.0 will be a cutlass and freelancer orgy

>>183679520
There's one on the bottom of the room below the cockpit.

>>183678594
Yes, they tried it and discovered that a player could sit in the pilot seat of one of the docked ships and accelerate and pull the ships apart and kill people.

They didn't want trolling or fun, dads hate those.

>>183679617
Why not just force the ship's into a docking mode where it can't move, and make it so leaving docking mode automatically disconnects the docking collar? That seems like a really simple problem to solve.

>>183679682
I still belive that it's actually related to the internal physics grids, not people fucking shit up.

>>183679540
>cutlass and freelancer orgy
Perfect.

>>183679682
Dads wouldn't like that they were unable to fly away until docking mode was disengaged. They'd have to ALT+F4 or power off their machine or something. Imagine some pirates forcing docking mode on you, and you had to confront them coming in...

>>183679913
Obviously both ships would have to enter docking mode unless you were doing some kind of ewar.

>>183679983
The defending ship would have to detect that a docking was in progress and override the pilot controls, a safety measure.

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I kind of feel sorry for Gladius owners at this point.

>>183680519
It's more cinematic now

>>183680519
>at this point
They are literally just flying a cucked Avenger. I felt bad for them the minute the ship came out.

>>183680519
I don't understand why seeing the gun was something they wanted, what was the point of this, now my MFDs are harder to look at.

Great, I get to see the muzzle flash ruin my vision, god forbid I get to see the actual important stuff on my instruments, that would just make too much goddamn sense.

>>183681468
What a shitty screenshot.

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>>183681604

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*floods your twitter feed*

>>183681304
The ship team has consistently been making MFDs harder to see for some fucking reason and it's infuriating.

>>183682715
>calls his momma once a week so he doesn't feel bad that she pays his rent.

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>>183683245
Me on the bottom

>>183681681
Thats a big ass volcano.

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help

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>>183684447
Are you feeling it yet

>>183684584
it's an NPC cutlass full of dead npcs that i had zero business pushing buttons inside of

>>183684732
>boarding
Woah thats some advanced level shit you better thank Chris IN THE ORIGIN 600 SALE.

>>183684732
>it's an NPC cutlass full of dead npcs
They all died, but the ship didn't blow up? I never thought to try to board on once it stops, I just thought the AI glitched.

>>183685264
sometimes if you blow an engine off it'll just stop flying and idle out for a while

invisible wall where the ramp was previously but i was able to ram my way into it in EVA

pilot and copilot still healthy and ragdolled normally when i shot them, but everyaction prompt or button inside it teleported me to this position in the turret. despawned with the normal QD effects a minute late while i was in it

>>183685750
Eventually, the AI are supposed to pilot the ships so you could do that. If you could get someone on board after you shot one engine out, but before they got the engines going, I wonder how long you could just ride with them?

gamescom?

>>183677758
>>183677860
It's proven fact that without depth perception you don't get motion illness. Also increase your fov to 70+ from the config file. Don't be stupid.

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So who here can't wait for Merkill (Engela Merkel) to come over to the SC booth and tell them they need to hire more (((migrant computer engineers)))?? >=3
Merkill is going to be at the GaymesCON opening this year, who knows maybe some muzzy rat(s) will ram her "unfuckable lard-ass" with a fully automatic truck of piss ehh I meant peace..!

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>>183687523
>tfw you knew the schedule was bullshit when they announced it and gamescom was always the probable target until CIG confirmed it by dragging out UI features just enough to push the live date to where they could announce it on stage.

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>>183688115
tfw anyone and everybody with a functional brain-stem knew to add 3 months to the original 'timetable' without even blinking.

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>derek going to gamescom
>will literally encounter sandi and chris

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>>183688935
Fugg!

>>183688935
Oh shit, really? The drama is gonna be incredible.

I wonder if the goons are egging him on to actually assault Chris/their gamescom booth

>>183689225
I hope he rushes the stage screaming and gets spear tackled by security.

>>183688935
will literally run screaming at the star citizen presentation wearing a suicide vest*

it never goes off, it's the absolute final failure left to break his sanity and he's promptly committed to a higher security mental institution so he can safely smear shit on things and chew his lips apart until his family decides he's never really coming back and they agree to have him uethanized

>>183688935
He'd get eaten by Ben the moment he comes within 100m of either of them.

>>183689603
>100m
Inside that range and you have passed the event horizon. That's why Ben doesn't do AtV anymore, they keep losing desks and they only have so many Sandi clones.

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>>183689745
I actually believe this to be the case..!
The SC project is an Area 51 related (((social experiment)))

>>183690071
what the heck do they need ben for?

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How cinematic is S42 going to be?

>>183690770
everyone needs a fat friend.

>>183622935
i just got that game, is it really worth starting?

Think if I contact support and ask them to upgrade my cyclone to the pre sale one they'd do it? I've already spent __$505 so maybe that would be enough incentive?

>>183694159
2013/14 maybe, but nowadays support gets so swamped with shit that they don't really do nice gestures/custom requests like that any more.

>>183694159
If you had concierge then yea, but in your case the chances are slim

>>183680519
remember when they showed off that sleek custom HUD that followed the lines of the canopy much like the freelancer's, and instead of releasing it they did this garbage?

>>183696120
$10 says we're not gonna see that new Freelancer HUD in 3.0, either.

>HUD and cockpit views get worse
muh realism

>>183679362
>>183679463
>>183679484
>>183679520
>>183679564
Caterpillar has a docking ring in the airlock chamber on the top deck between the upper corridor and first module.
Starfarer has a docking ring in the forward EVA chamber under the nose, accessed forward from the cargo bay.

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When?

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>>183694159
I think it only works when you're stomping your feet around DEMANDING to spend 2500 USD on a Javelin Destroyer.

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>>183699002
3.1 I reckon, who knows maybe they'll squeeze it in 3.0 for shit 'n giggles like with the Prospector (no mining in 3.0 but you can fuck around in the fucking thing anyway lawlz)

>>183697563
it's already in 2.6. I swear you people dont even play.

post 3.0

>>183703716
I can't.

Have any of you worked as a programmer before? When I think about the game code in Star Citizen, I just think how much I wouldn't be able to work for CIG. Every day I'd just be stressed out, I'd be a nervous wreck. Imagine having 3 game engine codes on your screen at the same time, and trying to fix all the problems of dozens of ships and players and the most ambitious game world ever conceived.

They really do deserve their money I think.

>>183704572
man how long ago did they show is this, like 8 months?

just imagine, if it weren't for the german procedural warlock dropping that bomb on us we might actually have a couple more of the stanton planets right now, though they'd be the same as current area 18. in scale.

>>183704831
>Have any of you worked as a programmer before?
I work as a programmer now.

>Every day I'd just be stressed out, I'd be a nervous wreck.
Why?

>Imagine having 3 game engine codes on your screen at the same time
what the fuck does that even mean

>and trying to fix all the problems of dozens of ships and players
The reason CIG has so many employees is because they have specialized teams to handle different systems. Very few people touch large sections of the code.

>>183705181
not him but somebody's gotta be keeping track of the big picture, or you get shit like Illfonic's Star Marine that diverged so much from the core studios' code base they had to scrap it entirely.

>>183705325
Yeah, they have people who do integration testing, but those people don't necessarily know the ins and outs of the code their integrating--they don't need to know.

>>183704831
I have a bit of Python knowledge and it's incredible thinking how complex games must be. Even grid-based movement for a text adventure is out of my reach and that's outdated by decades.

>>183705720
This post is funny to me.

Can you post Sandi .webms? I need a collection of her best performances.

>>183704847
I wonder how much both S42 and the PU have been pushed back because of procedural planets.

>>183706784
I doubt Squadron 42 has been pushed back too much because of planets. PU has obviously been pushed back quite a lot. Though, with 3.0 it seems like we're reaching the end of the planet delay.

Of course there's also the reduced system count at launch, but hopefully those systems should have roughly the same amount of content thanks to the increased surface area.

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>>183706565

>>183705410
>>183705325
>>183705181
I know Borland C++ but Microsoft C++ is way too much for me. Is GCC++ any different if I start Linux?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbeo2G9fOwc

>>183707174
This one is one of the good webms. You can see all her best qualities here - attentive, cute and smiley and also cool at the end. I love her.

>>183708602
Is there a full vid anywhere of it? I wanna know what happened.

>>183709450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6UpYsOwlGY

o7 commanders

>>183709704
Honorable Comander! I welcome you to our humble imageboard. Are you part of any Clan or Group? I am commited to erasing griefing sociopaths from Elite Dangerous, I hope you are with me on this matter.

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>>183709450
Thanks, had a laff

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>>183710676
oops meant for
>>183709662

>>183707005
I find it so silly that people are in a huff about the released count at "launch" as if launch wasn't some arbitrary thing to begin with. it's not like the rest of the planets are being wiped from the plans, it's that they consider with the new system than 5 - 10 systems will be plenty of content to call a full release, but they're still going to keep going.

>>183710189
Absolutely, cmdr. Griefers need to be banned and get a life!

>bullying sandi
Hello, Tier-1 Engineer Smart.

>>183710865
honestly I don't even see what the problem is with 5-10 systems. 5 is a little small, sure, but each system has what, 3-5 planets and each planet has an area similar to crusader to explore. that means asteroid belts, moons, stations, and of course, the planet themselves. this gives you like 20-40 areas to work out of on launch, and it's not like these areas are small.

>>183713351
Some people are worried that CIG won't fulfill their promise of 100 systems, which is legitimate, but that was a concern before, so it's not new.

Some people just reason that
>CIG said there would be 100 systems on launch
>Now they said 5-10
>Therefore they went back on their promise and you're an idiot for just accepting it

And any attempt to have a discussion with these people just makes you a mindless cultist.

>>183714005
What does this mean in terms of gameplay? I thought there was supposed to be procedural galaxy just like in ED but with some of the content manually and beautifully crafted as well. So... I'm confused. How can you have a "space" game without a fucking space?

>>183704016
there was a pic of a ship near a moon?

>>183714218
SC was always hand crafted from the start. The procedural planets came much later. We were supposed to have a few landing spots per planet in the original scope.

>>183714420
How can it be MMO scale game if all you have is handful of planets? Doesn't make any sense. And yet they have literally probably closer to 100 different ships and everything. What the actual fuck? The scale of the game doesn't make any sense now.

>>183714218
>What does this mean in terms of gameplay?
We'll have a smaller area to play in terms of empty space volume at launch, but we gain an exponential shitload of surface area for planet-based gameplay.

>I thought there was supposed to be procedural galaxy just like in ED but with some of the content manually and beautifully crafted as well.
There was never ever supposed to be an entire procedural galaxy. SC wants to avoid the problem where your game is as wide as the ocean and as deep as a puddle. With their new procedural planet tech, they can generate planets procedurally, but they don't stop there. The tech also allows artists to modify the generated planet as much as they want. Add planet-scape geological/geographical features, landing zones, etc. They planets are ostensibly procedural, but they all get a very heavy hand-crafting pass. The procedural generation is there to assist content creation, not replace it.

>How can you have a "space" game without a fucking space?
SC's universe has a 1:10 scale for distances in space. It's still fucking huge.

>>183714652
>a handful of planets.
Stanton alone, the one that they're currently working on for Alpha, will have 4 main planets, each with 3-4 moons. That's about 16 bodies in one system. Multiply that by ten, and you've already got 160 moons and planets to explore that are 1:4 scale.

I don't think you appreciate how big space is. And besides, they're not just stopping development of systems after launch.

The reality is this: "launch" is whenever they do the last wipe and money/lives/etc. start mattering for real. These systems are going to take a shitload of time to make, especially now that they're working on the planetary scale. So here's your choice: they launch the game in 3-4 years when they have 10 systems done, or they launch the game in 15 years when they have 100 systems done. Take your pick. 100 systems was feasible before when most of them were set dressing. It simply isn't anymore.

>>183714652
It's the same relative scale, just things are condensed a great deal. Instead of a few points per system, they can make each planet as dense as they want for missions. Hopefully what this means long term is you will be spending most of your time in one system doing stuff as opposed to making one stop then system hopping for fucking ever.
I personally don't see that as a bad thing. I would rather have a full system of stuff to do instead making traveling around itself the game.

>>183715091
I see I guess it could work. I'm just thinking about that you will end up one place which is incredibly crowded and then, we are living age in which intergalactic travel has been norm for ages, warping between handful of places gets old soon.

But I can also imagine very big planetary scale by itself - that's great but that calls for different kind of game mechanics - that's more of a fps type of exploration which is separate from space trucking.

But I'm kinda excited, in vague way. Has there been any previews of the 3.0 alpha yet, any real gameplay where someone is doing something instead of trailers?

>>183714652
>How can it be MMO scale game if all you have is handful of planets?
One of the tiny moons in 3.0 will take 15 hours to circumnavigate by ground vehicle.

The planets and moons in SC are 1/4 scale. That's almost unfathomably huge. Even most MMOs have a very tiny fraction of that in their entire game world.

>>183715125
Yeah I see what you mean now. I'm bit boneheaded because I have dedicated my life banishing sociopathic griefers from ED.

>>183715437
>I'm just thinking about that you will end up one place which is incredibly crowded

I believe instancing will prevent areas from being overcrowded, in fact, it might be too sparse.

>>183715437
Landing zones will likely be relatively crowded, but that's a good thing. You want them to feel busy. But space? And planets? No way. If you spread every person on Earth out evenly across the planet, you wouldn't even be able to see another person. Yeah, SC is 1/4 but that's still ginormous.

As far as mechanics, SC was intended to have FPS mechanics from the beginning. It was one of the major selling points. Except now, instead of just having it on space stations, large ships, and landing zones, we get entire planets with biomes, outposts, derelict ship crashes, etc.

If you want to see some gameplay, look up their Gamescom 2016 and Citizencon 2016 demos.

>>183715904
Have they talked about missions in 3.0 alpha? Do they have anything meaningful to do except racing and exploring / dogfighting? I'm worried that I might become cultist..I shouldn't be this interested.

>>183714218
it's actually going to be bigger and more procedural now. I think they realized once they got their scale fleshed out how fucking massive the world is going to be and decided 5 to 10 was enough to start. it's going to be vanilla WoW in terms of trying to get from one side of the world to another, and entirely possible you won't be able to do it at all in a single sitting.

>>183716086
The missions are supposed to be PvP. For every cargo running mission, there will be a mirror pirate mission. If a player doesn't take either one, a npc does. The cargo runs are supposed to follow from raw resource to finished item, but it won't be that complex to start.

>>183716086
They've talked about their mission system as whole.

Basically, it's modular. You'll have different mission components. Get an item, pirates attack, move some cargo, things like that. But their mission system will be able to combine them in different ways, so that missions don't always play out the same way. You could have a mission to get a black box from a wreck. One time, you're able to get it without a problem. Another time, the system might give an unlawful player a mission to stop you. Another time, you might find a note detailing the location of some cargo you can loot. Stuff like that. Of course, the locations won't be the same every time, either. And that's not even mentioning the emergent gameplay between players and orgs.

Of course, how much of that will actually make it into 3.0 is fucking anyone's guess.

>>183679913
>>183679983
>>183680060
gay I want my money back fuck dads

>>183716714
anon no that's gay

>>183677485
to mark the 7 times he didnt cum into a sock.

those seven times resulted in 7 children.

>>183716714
Honestly, I don't think the docking collar was the fault of the dads. I think one of the programmers injured himself laughing at the idea and they dropped it before anyone else got hurt.

>>183716302
>>183716605
Let's hope for the best as the next version has been coming for quite a while so maybe there's still a slight chance there's something spectacular. Something which makes it worth.

>>183716920
>docking people can troll you

dont dock with fags, EVA

> the have those port holes that do not work, the bottom port hole does not work cause ship gravity memes....

>>183716920
They're going to have a very similar problem with parasite ships like the one on the constellation.

>>183717052
I think the mission system will be fun, until someone figures out how to cheese one side of it, if it isn't completely broken the first week.
>>183717082
The final word on it was that they would look at it later again, but a lot of other thing were in front of it.
One day, down the road, we might get it as a qol.
>>183717197
Sherman(?) said that was a specific case they had a plan for. What was being postponed indefinitely was different ship docking.

Kickstarter pitch:

>you can intercept people
>dock with their ship
>board them
>kill them
>steal their ship

Existing concept:

>no longer able to dock
>have to find alternative means to board their ship
>dads will just fly away while you're in space in your EVA suit
>ram you in supercruise
:^)

>>183717490
Learn to disable ships, fuckboy.

>>183717490
If you can hold a ship with a tractor beam and force the door open, I say that is effectively the same thing, but not as elegant.

>>183717619
>be a dad
>pay someone UEC to sit in my engine room
>pirate intercepts me
>"fix the engines"
>pirates in EVA suits heading over to my ship
>"engines online"
>turn ship around and blast them with size 6 weapons as they try to float back to their cutlass
:^)

>>183717768
(You)

>>183717768
There is currently a keybind to turn engines off. I wonder how many people will figure out to sucker pirates in by acting lame, Star Trek style.

>>183716302
is there really a pirate mission for every cargo haul? that could honestly get boring. instead of 'hope I don't get jumped by pirates' it would be 'ok let's see what kind of pirate we get today' and every hauling mission becomes an arms race rather than a risky cargo run, pretty much eliminating over the long term the chance of coming across poorly defended cargo transports that weren't expecting you, or opportunist pirates that can actually be fended off easily.

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>>183717490
>>183717619
>>183717670
>no latch and hook docking to force ships to not explode instead get a dinky soda can ring
>can only enter from the side or the top cause gravity fucks any attempt from below
>eternally doomed as dads runs away and your crew chases them and forget about you since you eva so slow

>>183717962
>is there really a pirate mission for every cargo haul?
probably not, people wouldn't want to run cargo if that were true. >>183716605 was probably closer than me. It's supposed to be generated from mission parts to keep it fresh.

>>183717962
>is there really a pirate mission for every cargo haul?
Of course not, it would get stale pretty quick for the reasons you just explained.

Also consider that not all cargo hauling is a formal mission. A lot of it will just be players buying low and selling high, or buying shit for their org.

>>183718114
We will have to see how the tractor beams work. If holding someone prevents them from using their engines, then that would be ok.
There are probably too many sci-fi tractor beams from them to choose from, but disabling engines is common among them and makes sense here.

We need a Freelancer drag racing variant that has the entire cargo bay converted into a fuckhueg engine and the power/cooling to support it. The previous main engines are instead used for maneuvering.

>>183718486
or you could just

y'know

shoot their thrusters

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>you will never infiltrate a city sized space colony, disable
the gravity and attempt to steal a prototype ship

>>183718650
>precisely shoot out all 12+ thrusters

uh huh

>>183718764
I hope the game has some form of proper stealth gameplay and thievery tee bee kyoo haytch.

Imagine how fucking rad it would be if CIG finished a new ship or something after release, stealth patched it in, and left it in some company's hangar for a sneaky player to potentially find and steal, before announcing the ship and having it available for purchase in-game a few weeks later.

>>183718565
I just want a 3 man class for racing larger ships. Pilot, copilot, and engineer just running out the power, engines and cooling to the limits on the edge of exploding, on a racetrack, would be mainstream TV worthy.
>>183718650
I want to take some of these ships for myself. If I could stop one long enough to get tractor beams on and eliminate the crew, minimizing how much damage I have to do would be the priority.

>>183718921
Most ships have 4 main thrusters, tops. They're not running away from you with maneuvering thrusters.

If you don't want to do that, hit them with an EMP.

Hell, this is all assuming it takes only takes a couple seconds to repair a damaged engine, which will almost certainly not be the case.

And before any of this happens, you still have the option to threaten people first.

Basically, stop being a dad and think like a pirate.

>>183719252
Those would be good for long range endurance racing, could have some death races through Vanduul space for extra fun.

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Logged in for the first time in ages and I'm three and a half thousand light years from Sol

I'm in an asp explorer with detailed surface scanner and advanced discovery scanner and wondering if it's even worth my time to scan things on my way back for money instead of just getting back as fast as I can

>>183719508
How does one get Sol system permit btw? What's the best way to grind the rep for that?

>>183719218
>imagine if a game company did something legitimately cool
I can only imagine it, for it will never happen in reality

>>183719421
>They're not running away from you with maneuvering thrusters.

I hope you realize mav thrusters are responsible for most of the thrust in SCM mode speeds. Main engines don't even do most of the work.

>>183719508
>haven't played E:D in ages have no fuck'n Idea were I am fucking rim world shit

turn off E:D cause i am not going to my week flying 17k light years to civilization

>>183719508
>instead of just getting back as fast as I can

Yeah gotta rush to see all the nothing again

>>183719892
do people ever do the 20-30 mill passenger missions?

>>183719762
That's inner core of ED - starting at the reticule while warping for 25 minutes to destination. Rinse and repeat.

>>183719442
They said racing was going to be a tier of equipment, like military or civilian. If they have it large enough for medium ships, then I was thinking like powerboat offshore racing but across the entire system.
We need the SC version of the Mille Miglia or Targa Florio where ships run quantum legs between points in a system and complete courses at each destination, against the clock. It could get bigger with each new system until there is a grand 100 system race that takes days to complete,

>>183720097
staring not starting i'm drunk

>>183720110
Once they've got a couple dozen systems in the game, they should do a sort of space-trucking for charity thing.

It could be pretty cool publicity.

>>183720074
It's too risky for me. Every single one of them hates getting scanned and you have to stop constantly from them requesting shit too. If your silent running is on point and you have endless heat sinks, go for it.

friendship drive charging

>>183720628
warning heat level critical warning heat level critical warning friendship drive charging

>>183720407
I was trying to think how to enforce the stages, but if you had to pick something up at each point, that would make for proof and exclude non cargo ships.
Nice. It would be like the Cannonball Run 1 and 2 and Smokey and the Bandit in space with guns. How could this not win SC outright?

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When they say you can't go from space to the ground on pic related, is that a hard no, or is it just not recommended? Asking for a friend.

>>183721679
Hard no, and it should be obvious why

>>183721679
The atmosphere is so thin on the existing moons I have to assume it's speculation on full planets. In the reveal the dropped it from a freelancer at the top of atmo and it was fine.

If anything I expect a static death anim in place of the atmo burn, much llike entering the airlocks nekkid.

>>183721814
I mean if the angle was just right and you were following someone it, maybe you could cheese it and survive. I should have asked if they gated it or left it up to the player not to die.

>>183722156
They have yet to implement anything to stop you, in real terms. In 3.0 you probably can.

>>183721679
You should be able to for realism but with a slim chance of survival. Maybe you could land in a ship while falling, if you don't burn to death in the atmosphere first.

>>183722102
Dropping shit from the edge of the gravity well will probably be its own game.

If they don't implement the jump jets the buggy is supposed to have I'll be pissed

>>183721679
With the magic sci-fantasy thrusters Star Citizen has, I don't see why you couldn't. Just slow down and don't enter the atmosphere at thousands of m/s like real world spacecraft do.

>>183722920
They're not going full KSP autism with their orbital mechanics.

>>183722382
That sounds like a win for the "trying to survive reentry on a space bike" camp.
>>183722384
I was just wondering because of all the wrecks on the surface. If a wreck can survive, maybe a bike can too.
>>183722920
See everyone. Logic. You can't burn up if you don't go fast enough.

>>183721679
no you will overheat,how will you stay on with high wind speeds and high entry speed

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>>183722920
>Just slow down and don't enter the atmosphere at thousands of m/s like real world spacecraft do.

Reading that is actually painful, are you aware of what an orbit is

>>183719661
Who the fuck runs these companies? I have been wanting shit like this in mmos for years.

>>183722865
Do all models have them? That thing really will be mako tiers of OP.
>AA gun that can fly short range

>>183723195
I am extremely aware of what it is, but when you have thrusters that just give you absurd thrust with essentially no fuel usage you can fight gravity and avoid falling too fast by your thrusters alone. Just kill all orbital velocity then go straight down at a regulated speed.

>>183723330
>you have thrusters that just give you absurd thrust

Dragonfly's top speed is 50m/s

>>183723009
they might and I hope so.

>>183723121
>how will you stay on
Just slow down.
>>183723195
The orbits are fake. We 1940's planet theory to go with the WW2 planes in space.

>>183722865
>>183723272
They dont got jump jet you tards, they are just thruster parachutes faggots. You know when you deploy the buggy from high altidudes, not a fucking meme where your bug can hover and fly a little

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>they've reached the point where they're not even sure whether they can publish a text post on schedule

>>183723448
>entering atmo on a hover Harley Davidson
>just slow down


Retarded

>>183723381
Absurd in the fact that it's enough thrust to stay aloft in at least 1G while also being massless or having an arbitrarily high exhaust velocity. Any ship with enough thrust to hover on maneuvering thrusters or go vertical with the main engine could do this. Someone else already gave the real answer and it's that they're not going full real life autism with orbits.

>>183723231
It works when you have companies where profit is seen as something that is emergent from a good game
as in the mindset "if we make good games with interesting settings/mechanics/story people will be more willing to want to pay us for it"
rather than the profit oriented mindset of "how can we make money off this while spending as little of our time and money as possible and not appearing to be completely soulless"

>>183723625
Dude just like, slow down.

>>183723625
You burn up cause you go too fast. If you just go less fast, then less burn upness.

>>183723839
Yea i wish there was a fun loving 1/10 of a billionaire with a wonky accent who doesnt need to worry about profit.

>>183723874
>>183723975
Space Harley is not aerodynamic you gonna heat up or worse loose control and spin out

>>183724247
Aerodynamics wont matter if you just. slow. down.

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>>183707174

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z272A_91vSk

>>183724247
>loose control and spin out
Fuck I didn't even think of that. You have to be careful which angle you pick if you don't slow down enough.

>>183723381
given that minimal top speed you're not going to be planet hopping in a dragonfly. to even be in a position to attempt an atmospheric entry you'd have to get dropped off by a bigger ship, so orbital momentum will already be null.

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nice bike, shitlord.

brb orbit

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>>183724690
You take me back up to space with you.
I can't leave without help.

>>183724835
i was the guy posting a few weeks back saying i had like 100 CCU between dragonfly and mpuv. i decided to stick with mpuv because i've used it. it's just like a normal ship except no jumpdrive, can enter and exit planets, and also flies faster than the dragonfly, and can just fly over the surface like the dragonfly, and it also carries people or cargo in the back.

it's not as cool as a bike, but it's more useful and can do the same things

>>183724996
Does it still make tiny Reaper sounds when using boost?

>>183724996
Can anything smaller than a Starfarer carry the MPUV?

>>183724996
>and can just fly over the surface like the dragonfly

Ah I see you're in the Evocati?

>>183724690
>he doesnt have an idris so you can carry an argo so you can transport your dragonfly to the surface
Its like you dont have a nice middle class home in the suburbs with a private school bill

>>183725064
idk, don't remember

>flying over ruins at 100m altitude
>can spot every little detail, cave and artifact
>can land and load up anything i want
>go back to my ship in orbit

>>183725141
not sure, the freelancer got a redesign but i dont think its big enough.

>>183725161
no but it operates the same as any other ship. take off, it cant retract its landing gear, just go slow through atmosphere. its not like ships need wings in this game, its just a ship that you can fly slow

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>>183725141
>not using the ship with the dedicated Argo hangar
Step it up senpai

>>183724336
>i made my 500m/s fall into 400m/s fall did i do good guys

>>183725438
No you didnt do good, you gotta go slower.

>>183724336
Too bad for you that's now how the orbital mechanics are designed to work in SC. Once you're in a planet's gravity well, you're geostationary, and your ship ain't gonna slow down anymore when your velocity readout says 0.