/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

but wheres the update

First for fuck herne

>>183480552
You probably get this a lot, but is there a major feature list for the last couple of years anywhere? I haven't played since 2015, and would be keen to have a top level overview if one exists anywhere!

HE-MAN WILL WIN
CHECK EM

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>>183480997
soon

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>need to train my blacksmith
>buttloads of garnierite lying around
>try to find some use for nickel other than caravan ballast
>decide to make my fort less drafty and finally install some doors
>this is the result
Nickel blocks it is then.

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This thread is too young to die.

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>>183483315
Nothing is too young

>>183483315
It's never too late to give up on your dreams.

>>183483939
i see this every thread

>>183480941
Taverns, libraries, temples. New personality system and AI upgrades. Procedurally generated music, poetry, and dance forms. Procedurally generated musical instruments. Sites can be built and claimed in adventure mode. That is all the important stuff.

Reminder that the game in it's current version is the best it has ever been, that the procedural world generation aspect is the game's main selling point and is a valuable use of toady's time, and that the percieved quality of the old versions is mostly nostalgia for the buggy, unintentional, and imcomplete game mechanics, which would be the main source of complaints of the game today had they persisted to the present.

>>183487342
You are mostly correct. The only disadvantages the current version has over the versions before DF2014 is the lack of difficulty of some invaders and little negative consequences of unhappy dwarves.

What's that? Diplomat just arrived?

>Naptime!

>>183487508
Yeah, it's almost impossible to make them go insane. My arena is, therefore, relegated to forgotten beasts and dragons, plus the occasional failed mood.

Is there any dfhack script that lets you see you see the sewer network in a city? It must be stored somewhere. It's clearly not generated on the fly like caverns.

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I need to get a scanner..

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>>183491091
forgot:
>I love DF more than anyone else (including Toady), that's why my opinion on the future of DF matters more than that of anyone else
>did I mention that I'm an oldfag? so I KNOW that DF is going downhill

>>183491265
I have admired a fine +drawing+. I am very satisfied.

>>183487508
>The only disadvantages the current version has over the versions before DF2014 is
>[forgets the current version having the worst FPS drops of any stable release so far]
I don't think you're being honest

Tbh I'm almost more excited for what kind of gladiators we'll get in the next tourney than what the outcome for this one will be. I can't even decide on of my current fighter ideas would be the best.

/dfg/ is knocked over!
The Archive attacks /dfg/ but he scrambles away!
/dfg/ stands up.

/dfg/ gives in to the pain.

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>possessed blacksmith has claimed a magma forge

Tourney when?

>>183499112
hopefully never again

what should I do with my gorlaks? nice things, not painful things

>>183499229
dorfy things, like torturing them to death

>nice things
what are you, an elv?

>>183499380
that is clearly not dorfy, it is goblish and koboldic.

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>>183499576
torture is only okay if you do it for fun.

otherwise, it's barbaric.

>>183499720
stonesense pls I bet it's idyllic

>>183499867
to be fair, it would technically be unthinkable that you would torture someone as an example in the sense that it literally would never occur to you given that you and they both know you're just going to torture the rest for fun at some point anyway.

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>dwarven foot traffic actually beats down the grass and creates natural paths
goddamn, that is some autism technology
inb4 pointed judgement of my fortyard.

>>183500209
really digging this one, dots

>>183500209
top doggo

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>>183500269
That's nothing, my dorfs turned a diorite bridge into an olivine one.

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>>183501256
does it clean itself when you raise it?

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>>183498863
>Solon Toliszaneg, Blacksmith has created Mersethasob, a bronze grate!

>>183498863
Fucking fey moods. I can build a happy functional fortress that never runs out of food and produces enough riches to trade for glorious things, but I still can't give my possessed dorfs what they want.

>What do you mean, you still want wood? This is a forest biome; there's so much wood I can't store it all indoors.
>Stone blocks? I have 4 different types of stone made into blocks!
>You piece of shit, I have so much leather! Just take some! Take some!
>No, not the Adamantine thread!

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>>183501445
Dunno, I already deconstructed it. I'll check it with the new one once the risk of accidentally starting a dwarven space program will be a bit smaller.

>>183500269
Jesus, did you have literally every dwarf outside when a siege occurred?

>>183502183
that's buildup from three or so sieges, and my cavern entrance is across the valley so I don't have rampaging trolls and shit in my fortress. also much of that is goblin parts rather than residents

for when my dorfs run out of bolts and start bashing with their crossbows, steel crossbows will do more damage than wood or bone ones, right?

>>183487342
Reminder that procedural world generation is a waste of computation and dev labor when all it produces is thousands of dull near-identical books that don't do anything and teeming hordes of npcs whose history consists of moving somewhere and becoming a milker

>>183504728
For blunt weapons, pretty much all materials are just about the same. Silver is the best but not by much, copper is surprisingly #2.

>>183504861
What? I thought weight was a major factor in blunt weapons.
>sitting on heaps of silver I assumed was useless
Time to rev up those forges. Does material have any effect on damage dealt when firing bolts, or does that rely strictly on the bolt itself?

>>183504801
just go back to whatevertower defense game you came from.

among thousand of generic colony management games, DF is the only one of its kind. why people want to change DF instead of just moving on to another game (which clearly are superior, according to their own logic) is beyond me.

>>183504801
>the vast majority of pleabian peasants lead boring lives
>heroic deeds are rare and thus heroic
How is this bad.

>>183505246
Also, reminder that Toady will not be able to combine Dwarf Fortresses moving parts into a reasonable simulation because he gets bored with what he's working on and abandons it to work on something else.

>>183505392
If the vast majority of characters are literally whos why aren't they folded into the abstracted site population so you can have the actual named npcs be more likely to have things happen to them

>>183505704
But I'm pretty sure everyone is a named npc with the potential for greatness thanks to rng.

>>183505432
He already has. Fort mode and adventure mode are as unified as they could get

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>hate everything about DF
>hate Toady's fantasy world simulator vision
>still play it
what did he mean byt this?

>>183505392
There's very little in the form of context. You will probably never find about those heroic deeds because they are buried in descriptions of cheesemakers getting their ears cut by dingos.
This is especially bad when it comes to names. Every time the outpost liaison comes he just dumps half a dozen names on me and all of them sound like the same shit. What IS Riversclothed? Why not display "the capital Riversclothed"? Why not let me see the nearby dwarven cities in the currently barren world/civs menu so I can at least pretend to memorize them? Why is legends mode so bad and why can't I open it without duping my save?

>>183506773
>why can't I open it without duping my save
you can, with dfhack

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Kinda late to the party, ain't we?

>>183507958
>tfw still no mod that makes elves turn into logs on death

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>>183507958
Honestly, I'm not really sure what to do with this faggot. I'd love to introduce that filthy tree fucker to my hammer lords, cut down all the trees, wreck their army and decorate chambers with chained naked elven maidens, but I'm a major slut for giant animals and good Lord, this is the most boring savage jungle I've ever seen.

>>183509701
How do you have so many wild animals? I never have more than like, 6, even in untamed wilds

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post current fort

>>183506773
Pretty sure you can xml dump the world from legends and then use a utility like legends viewer to make finding stuff/the relations of things a breeze

As for the for the world gen stuff currently being boring, let's not forget that Toady has yet to implement a lot of planned roles for npcs.

>>183510098
6x6 embark.
When I embarked there were like 60 animals - elephants, giant tiger, giant alligators, giant hippos and more. Then they all fucked off before I could set up traps and never came back.

>>183510531
Planned roles?

>>183492067
Do you mean 43.05? This is the first version in a long time that has caused an FPS increase for me. I suppose it is because of the 64 bit stuff.

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Welcome back, my dear friends, to the semi-finals of the Third Dwarf Fortress General Tournament! Our last four remaining warriors have bested all who stood before them to reach their hard-earned place in the penultimate round of our illustrious blood rite. Despite this, only the final two survivors shall proceed, to be matched with each other in the Grand Finale. Be it Man, Dwarf, or Beastman, we shall know of our finalists before the moon has waned, and which of our champions shall perish, to be revived in the Battle Royale.
He-Man, Urist Dye-Maker, Hercule, and Herne. All master fighters, all expert warriors, and all shall kill or be killed tonight, all for your delights, and for Armok's red smile. Let the tourney...

Begin.

Being rather combat light this evening, I hereby ask whether any of our finalist's managers would like to step up, perhaps answer some questions regarding their choice of gladiator, their hopes and goals, or perhaps merely for some good old trash talk.
Seat yourself well and make yourself at ease, my friends. Soon enough, we shall have our two fights, and the blood we so desperately crave.

>>183513193
Oh god my heart skipped a beat what the fuck

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>>183513193
Oh boy.

>>183513193
I'm Urists manager, I'll answer questions etc

>>183513797
how often are you supposed to water basil plants? i'm just kind of watering it whenever I remember to

>>183513864
It depends. How good is the drainage of your soil?

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>>183513797
Alrighty, let's hear it then.
>Why did you choose to manage Urist Dye-Maker (why you chose such-and-skill/item)?
>What were your hopes coming into the tourney?
>Have you anything you'd like to say to He-Man and his Manager?

>>183514121
i'll be honest I have no idea, how am I supposed to measure that?

>>183513193
I will also answer questions, accept abuse, etc.

>>183513797
What exactly is Urist going to do after the tourney? He doesn't seem like the type to go to disney world

>>183513797
Seeing as his application to the tournament was the result of a failed strange mood, what's next in stores for Urist assuming he doesn't get eviscerated in the coming rounds?

Alternatively, what's his stance on the legalization of beastman marriage?

>>183514278
Did you actually test the adamantine cloak on the arena or did you just choose it based on the previous performance of other fighters with it in the other tournaments?

>>183513797
How many simulations have you ran to procure certain victory?

ok so i've been trying to do a volcano embark for so long. Every time I embark for the volcano I literally see no volcano. What am I doing wrong?

>>183514278
Did you get the idea of adamantine capes specifically from the warning that they would shit up the tournament, or were you already thinking about it and that was just the thing that convinced you?

Oh is this what we're doing now?

>>183514278
are you gonna beat me?

>>183514207
>I chose Urist originally intending to make him an armor user, but he proved too adept at dodging so I believed it to be a waste. I think the two handed sword was a good choice, however, if I could go back I would've definitely picked a hammer instead.

>I was hoping to make a decent showing, and at least have some entertaining and/or brutal fights. I think that was achieved.

>I wish He-Man the best, if he wins our fight I hope he wins the finals

>>183514249
After you water it, dip your finger in it a while later and see if it's still very wet.

>>183514292
Hopefully this will prove therapeutic for him, and he regains his sanity.

>>183514358
He has no opinion, as far as I can tell. The only thing we can get out of him is (autistic screeching) and writing on the walls in his own shit.

>>183514396
None, I'm just eyeballing my opponents.

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>>183514278
Nice
>Where did you find this spooky elk-man and why did you choose to manage him?
>What were you hoping to achieve in this tourney?
>Are you feeling confident in your matchup versus Hercules?

>>183514371
>>183514445
The previous tournament is what gave me the idea. I did try it out to see if it actually worked.

>>183514461
Probably. Maces are bad weapons, especially against large creatures, and bronze isn't a particularly good material for them to boot.

Also answering questions since everyone else seems to be doing so and i want to be like the cool hip kids.

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>>183514461
Mr Manager! Over here!
>How does Hercule feel about his steady increase in popularity?
>What did he desire to accomplish in this tourney? Is there more?
>Any comment on the nature of the allegations Hercule faces back in his home-country for a supposed murder?

>>183514792
>maces are bad weapons

Famous last words.

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1/2

>>183514916
>>How does Hercule feel about his steady increase in popularity?
Popularity is ephemeral compared to his goal.
>>What did he desire to accomplish in this tourney? Is there more?
Hercule has been set many tasks to complete in order to wash away the shame of some minor crime back home. This is one of them.
>>Any comment on the nature of the allegations Hercule faces back in his home-country for a supposed murder?
No comment.

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>>183514858
Just a few questions good sir!
>How did He-Man feel after the death of his rival Skeletor?
>What are He-Man's goals for the tourney?
>Anything in particular you'd like to say to your opponent and his manager?

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Where is the volcano? I just wanted to do a volcano embark

>>183514618
Herne's based on English folklore. All I did was change him from a spooky dude wearing antlers to a spooky did with antlers.

I wasn't expecting to beat Purple Fist, but now that Herne's come this far I intend to win.

Yes.

>>183514792
You've backed yourself into a position where you are the only remaining manager that is playing "to win" rather than for show, seen by everyone else's refusal to use adamantine.
Is this what you initially wanted? Would you have done anything differently?

>>183515251
Urist and He-man are both using adamantine as well.

>>183515417
Talented Dodger

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>>183509701
>Giantess Caged Guest

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>>183514858
>Is the power of grayskull an actual thing?
>What are your plans for the future now that your arch nemesis is dead if you emerge victor of the tournament?
>Are the rumors surrounding your sexual orientation true?
>What is your stance on the legalization of beastman marriage?
>Any words you'd like to say for the kids at home?

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>>183515230

>>183514858
Will you make me proud for believing you'll win?

>>183514278
How mathematically perfect is your solution for victoty?

>>183515417
Too bad adamantine weapons can't cut through adamantine cloaks.

>>183515243
>Sometime a keeper here in Windsor Forest,
>Doth all the winter-time, at still midnight,
>Walk round about an oak, with great ragg'd horns;
>And there he blasts the tree, and takes the cattle,
>And makes milch-kine yield blood, and shakes a chain
>In a most hideous and dreadful manner.
>You have heard of such a spirit, and well you know
>The superstitious idle-headed eld
>Receiv'd, and did deliver to our age,
>This tale of Herne the Hunter for a truth.
— William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor

So, will Herne be doing any chain rattling tonight?

>>183516164
86.67% perfect.

>>183516353
It's true that He-man is at a slight disadvantage in that sense. However, cloaks don't cover some of the most important parts: the hands, the lower legs and feet, and the head. He-man could win his match with a single attack.

>>183514858
Rip, I'm starting now.

>>183516931
Any contestant "could" win with a single attack at any time. That's obvious. You've made that chance as small as possible.

>>183517097
wew

>>183513193
Fantastic, now that we've had our interviews, it's time to get to the main event. Thank you to the manager's for answering our questions!
>>183514612
>>183515143
>>183515243


Now, our first fight features the Noble warrior He-Man, bold and blonde he is, wielding an Adamantine blade and girt only in the morbid mask of his past rival, Skeletor.

Dominating his previous fights with incredible swordsmanship, this hardy warrior has made it this far through strength, spirit, friendship, and through the cutting power of his steadily upgraded swords. Now, against another two-hander, will this hero of the people keep his wits about him and triumph? Or will the insane, hate-fueled force of the Mad Dwarf tear down this mighty warrior?

Urist Dye-Maker, mad and dangerous, has acquired a brilliant Adamantine cloak, shimmering and incandescent. Perhaps, in a very rare moment of semi-lucidity, the dwarf willfully chose the one thing capable of resisting an adamantine blade. Soon enough, however, the blue fabric may be stained with the blood of his adversary, and dyed in all the colours of death. That is, if he is triumphant.

Now, place your bets folks. Gather your plump helms, stake your wagers, and prepare yourselves for the Semi-Finals.

BEGIN!!!

>>183517097
Its alright, i was busy anyway with other things/waiting for more replies so feel free to start, i'll just answer all the stuff later when the fights are done

>>183516020
I'm sorry but i'm new how do I ajust that? can I move my local?

>>183517312
Don't forget, brevity is wit.

>>183514278
Have you run simulations of the fights?

>>183517403
Brevity: good.

I hear conflicting things about FPS all the time. Does this game really run better on a tricked out PC? Or do forts get slower over time across all machines?

>>183517312
500 dimple dye on Urist!

>>183517387
disregard this and sorry for the post. no bully.

>>183517387
lowercase "umkh" keys. It says in the interface.
Tbf though, it took me a little while to figure that out too.

>>183517312
20 elven slaves on Hercules.

>>183517483
fag

>>183517587
I mean 20 elven slaves on He Man

>>183517403
is funny because the character that says that is the least-brief person ever

>>183517312
Adamantine Cloak vs No Adamantine cloak

You know who will win this one /dfg/

>>183517950
He-Man, yes we do all know

>>183517845
This business is well ended.
My liege and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time.
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief: your noble son is mad.
Mad call I it, for, to define true madness,
What is ’t but to be nothing else but mad?
But let that go.
-- Polonius, being very not brief.

>>183517950
He-Man. He'll get a critical shot to the head.

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>>183517312
The fight begins, and immediately a screaming Urist charges at his adversary, bringing his steel sword down in a powerful blow, aiming to cut the human in half at the waist! He-Man deftly leaps back, landing on the balls of his feet, and brings his blue sword up in a horizontal parry, blocking another swing of Urist's blade with impressive ease. Furious and bellowing with rage, Urist readies another swing, his stout body coiled like a swing. But, suddenly there comes a flash of stormy blue from the eye-sockets of Skeletor's mask, a minuscule, almost imperceptible whisper, the merest flicker of azure, and...

By Armok...

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>>183518171
He-Man is victorious, in a single, decapitating blow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662JyNLVpxE

>>183518171
W I T N E S S E D

>>183518363
Fucking called it!

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>>183518171
>>183518363
Eggscelent

>>183518171
>>183518119
FUCKING CALLED IT
Even though I was managing Urist, beautiful job He-Man. Win the finals please.

>>183518171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJsRAcAhnNw

>>183517950
GET FUCKED.

>>183518363
"adamantine cloaks are unbeatable"

>>183518363
>>183516931
>He-man could win his match with a single attack.
>He-man could win his match with a single attack.
>He-man could win his match with a single attack.
>He-man could win his match with a single attack.
>He-man could win his match with a single attack.

I am vindicated but also nervous.

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>>183516353

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>>183518171
>Adamantine cloaks are cheating and make your character unbeatabl-
whiny fags btfo

How does shield coverage work? Does it only cover a certain part of the dwarf, or does it parry incoming attacks to any part of the body?

>>183518171
>medi-
>WITNESSED!
>>183518119
>PREWITNESSED!
YOU! ARE! AWAITED! IN! VALHALLA!

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>>183518363
Congratulations He-Man! In a shocking turn of events, you have slain the mad dwarf in a single blow without a single nick upon you! You have 230 points to spend on your upgrades for the next, and final, round. Good luck to you, and may your spirit (and blade) never dull.

Urist, rest not easy in the oblivion of death, for your ravening soul shall once more be unleashed on the world, should your steel win you the day in the battle royale. May Armok smile upon your past achievements, and bring strength to your sword.

Our next, and final fight of this evening is between the warrior-hero Hercule Poirot, Grand Master Maceman and champion of the greeks/belgians/humans/demigods, against the mysterious wild hunter Herne.

Hercule, seen as a bold and masterful champion amongst many of the crowd, is the favourite to win for most. His brutal dealings with prior rivals, and his proud disdain of the adamantine that all other champions wield, has earned him a spot amongst the most popular of all the gladiators. Will bronze and a lion cloak be enough to face the chilling foe before him? Or will this heroic warrior bring an end to the legend that is Herne the Hunter, and banish him from this place to never return.

This haunting and frankly, disturbing warrior, has become an almost villainous figure to many audience members. I must admit, ever since this gaunt warrior travelled south, there have been tales whispered. Of hangings and hauntings, of cows giving blood en lieu of milk, of many witcheries and hellish scenes in the forests at night. Perhaps, it was merely fate that decreed the role that each of these men should play, and that their paths should all lead towards each other in this arena.

Whatever our champion's desires, tonight they have only one duty. To slay their foe, or perish in the attempt. No mercy, no easy grave, only bronze, stained with crimson. Place your bets folks, we are about to discover our final champions.

>>183518171
>>183518363
By Armok, we should have seen this coming. The tournament ran long enough that everyone has Grand Master weapon skills and aims for head first.
We should have been buying adamantine HOODS!

>>183518835
Calling it now, another one-shot-headshot, caving in the skull.

>>183518835
lets go

>>183518835
30 pounds of elk meat on Hercules.

>>183518835
One skein of adamantine on Herne.

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>>183518171
>>183518363
>meanwhile in the Herne's manager house

new version when

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>>183518171

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Can he do it?

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>>183519663
>tfw you completely missed the joke up until now

>>183518835
My money is on the Herne but deep down i hope Hercule wins

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>>183518835
The fight begins, and Hercule throws himself at his large, horned foe. His mace at the ready, and his oiled and well-muscled body poised for combat. His first strike is nimbly avoided, however, as Herne dodges aside, only to bring his pike up and straight into Hercule's abdominals! As the bearded man gasps and clutches at the grievous injury, Herne savagely slams his left hoof into Hercule's foot, pulverising flesh and sending Hercule crashing to the floor, unable to stand! Not beaten yet, the maceman lunges forward, but his blow is easily parried, once, and once more. Even as Herne retaliates however, Hercule rises to his knee and bats aside the pike, bringing his mace up and over to shatter the stone where Herne had been but a moment before. Now to the side of Hercule, the elk-man drives the pike straight into the fleshy part of his adversary's flesh, right to the bone! As Hercule groans and goes pale, he lunges forward to slam his mace into Herne's bicep, attempting to disarm him and send the dreaded pike clattering away. The wondrous cloak, however, prevents the mace from doing any serious damage, and Hercule is stabbed once more for his efforts! The pike goes deep, so deep that the blade sinks to the shaft, and sticks! Roaring and pushing through the agony, Hercule bashes Herne in the hand, but cannot land a solid blow. Herne merely shakes his numb hand, and, almost with a smile, wrenches the pike free. It is too much for the wounded Hercule to stand, and as Herne shakes the meat from his bronze, our brave human maceman falls to the earth, unconcious and bleeding out.
Eyeing his foe for a moment, Herne moves over and poises the spear right above Hercule's head. Pausing for a moment, Herne lets loose a low, animalistic noise, before sharply plunging his pike into Hercule's brain. Ignoring the shouting and roaring in the audience, the victorious elk-man shakes the blood and brains from his pike, before turning and leaving the arena.

>>183520907
Fucking bullshit.

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>>183520907

>>183520907
Rekt

>>183520907
meh

>>183520907
Rip Hercule ;_;7

Battle royale today or later Tourneybro?

Herne will win the tourney on a shitty fluke.

>>183520907
Oh man.
We were so close to a 180 degree turn of this tournament becoming good again.

>>183520907
Elks are for being hunted, not hunting.
I wager an entire caravan of =deer meat roasts= on He-Man

>>183520907
He-man will save us
By the power of greyskull

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>>183520907
>nuuuu

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We love you, Herne!

>>183521453
I don't know, He-man vs. Villain seems like a pretty good finale.

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>>183520907
Looks like this poirot is soup.
Get it? Because poirot sounds exactly like poireau. which means leek in french and-
Oh fuck you.

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>>183520907
Congratulations Herne! Through skill and strategy, you have defeated the fearsome demigod Hercule Poirot in battle. You have 215 points to spend on your upgrades for the next round.
Be not disappointed in death, Hercule. You have already proved to be a mighty warrior, and as such you shall be a force to be reckoned with in the upcoming battle royale. Let loose your bronze mace, and return to the oaken club with which you began your journey.

And so concludes our Semifinals, folks. Next week, we shall have the Battle Royale, featuring all thirty of our fallen combatants fighting for their lives in a new and upgraded Arena! Larger, bloodier, and with only one survivor, this shall be most fun, yes, very fun indeed!

Thank you all for coming tonight, my dear guests. I hpe you were entertained, and have all left with a full purse (or lighter) with many a won bet. If not, well, there is always the final fight to watch out for!
Now, pay your respects to the glorious dead, and let us reconvene in a week, to enjoy the last of what this tournament has to offer.

Good night!

>>183520907
Belgians btfo

>>183521768
since when is Herne a villain?

it was literally just one autist who got mad that he used an adamantine cloak, and now everyone's using adamantine shit anyways.

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>>183521801
How will you fuck me?

>>183521927
>it was literally just one autist
how delusional do you even have to be to make this post

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>all these fuckin (you)s

>>183522201
here's another one for (u)
don't spend them all in the same place :)

>>183522201
here, have another

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i'm enjoying this game and I've begun construction on my first fort.

@183522201
Nigger

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>>183520907
>>183521917
Someone asked me once when Herne's crimes would end. The answer, apparently, is "never."

>>183521927
Obviously I like Herne, but he's killed a tourney favorite in every single one of his fights. Well, Purple Fist is debatable, but whatever. If that doesn't scream "heel" to you I don't know what would.

>>183521917
no

>>183522335
ftfy:
>183522201

ain't no keeping rightful (You)s away from the tourney guy

>>183522374
where were u when herc was kil

>>183522374
F

>>183522448
kek

>>183521917
>get kicked toe
>ankle's muscle gets torn apart
TOADYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>183522328
Keep at it my man.
Please remember to not dig bedrooms in soil.

>>183522448
fuck

>>183522328
Is the brown ore cassierite or copper?

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>>183522448
ftfy:
>>>183522335
>ftfy:
>>183480552#183522335

>>183518363
Where are all the faggots who were endlessly whining and complaining about cloaks now?

>>183522975
Right here
No combination of items gives you a 100% chance to win, just a very high one

>>183522592
cassierite.

>>183514858
are you gonna answer the questions now

>>183523151
Huh, cool. Seems like you have a ton of it, so it'll give you easy access to a ton bronze if you find any copper ore, which is pretty much guaranteed.

>>183523120
by the time herne got his first hit deflected by the cloak, hercule was already too wounded to realistically win the fight. the worst thing that could have happened if he didn't wear the cloak was losing one of two pike-arms which wouldn't stop him from winning.

the cloak did literally nothing to help herne in this round, but somehow I just know that fags will keep bitching about it.

>>183523279
ive not delved into any form of metal making yet. Will the doggos be enough to fend off goblins? I have no military.

>>183523279
It also makes for a nice way to make value with pottery if you have clay

>>183523496
Is he large enough to 1h the pike?

>>183523496
I want you to turn this around and think:
What if Herc had the cloak instead?
Reread that log and see what would have changed.

Not like it really matters at this point, we know how the next fight is going to go at this point. It's like we had our puppy ran over and mom and dad went to get an identical one hoping we wouldn't notice. No offense to tourneyanon, God bless

my 3x1 raising bridge turned into 1x1 thing that blocking only one tile after i pulled the lever. how to make it so it will block 3 tiles?

Can there even be a Plump Helmet man in the tourney?

>>183523553
there is a bunch of sand south of the volcano. I essentially have infinite glass?

>>183523770
make it raise sideways

>>183523852
Yes, last tourney had one. He died pretty quick though.

>>183523520
Nope, afraid not. If you have no military experience, though, walling yourself off from the world is usually enough. As for small scale metal making, you need a wood furnace for charcoal, and a normal furnace in which to actually make the bars. After that, you use a metal smiths forge to make things out of those bars.
Best of luck, man.

>>183523743
Really? Both of these previous fights directly contradict your prediction.

>>183524192
What did you think my prediction was?

>>183523574
Yes.

>>183523743
Herc still would have been crippled by the kick to the foot. With a bronze mace, he never would have been able to accomplish more than bruises to the muscle. Keep in mind Herne got shot in the head TWICE last round and it only slowed him down a little.
>we know how the next fight is going to go at this point
Do we?

>>183524242
You think that the cloak is going to make Herne near unbeatable. That's incorrect, and both of the other matches refute it.

>>183523743
You don't have to believe me, but I really don't mess with the fights at all. The only time I've remade one is if there was a mistake in my first attempt (i.e the one with trihardin vs jackson where they were both girls) which has happened like 3 or 4 times maybe.

>>183523905
thanks. it seems somehow this bridge raised for 3 tiles up in my 1 tile high corridor

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>>183524520
>both girls

>>183514858
>>183515156
>How did He-Man feel after the death of his rival Skeletor?
I'd rather not speak of that as it is a touchy subject but he was truly horrified when he heard of Skeletor's death.
>What are He-Man's goals for the tourney?
His original goals were to fight his nemesis fair and square and make new friends along the way to the top but seeing how he was denied his fight with Skeletor i fear for what he could be up to. He has become very secretive when not fighting his opponents...
>Anything in particular you'd like to say to your opponent and his manager?
I would advise He-Man's opponent to surrender peacefully. He is not himself anymore.
>>183515795
>Is the power of grayskull an actual thing?
It is a mystery that we may never know. It could be that the power was within him the whole time.
>What are your plans for the future now that your arch nemesis is dead if you emerge victor of the tournament?
He-Man has refused to give an answer but the man seems truly determined in winning the finals.

Going to have to answer for He-Man on these

>Are the rumors surrounding your sexual orientation true?
He-Man is made out of 100% straight heroic material (for any of the ladies out there) any rumors stating otherwise are simply lies and slander.
>What is your stance on the legalization of beastman marriage?
He-Man supports any marriage that is held in a holy temple of Cheesus Jist, beastman or no.
>Any words you'd like to say for the kids at home?
Drugs are bad

>>183516056
>Will you make me proud for believing you'll win?
He-Man will not rest as long as there are villans to fight. He will make everyone proud.

>>183523198
No

Man, you guys sure get angry about this.

Here are my thought about the whole Herne and adamantine cloak debate: Is there a problem with adamantine cloaks? Yes, I think so, and the problem with them is that the level of protection they offer is too high, it's higher than an adamantine mail shirt, breastplate and greaves combined, if someone is looking for amor that gives the highest amount protection and coverage for the lowest amount of money, he will always choose the adamantine cloak, there is no reason to buy mail shirts, breastplates or greaves, they're the objectively worse option, even though just one of them costs more than an adamantine cloak and that's what I think the problem is.

And it's not something that affects the tourney only, it also affects the game in general, does it really make sense that an adamantine cloak offers more protections than a mail shirt, breastplate and greaves, all combined? Does Toady really want adamantine clothing to be just as effective as adamantine armor? Well, we could ask him. Anyway, I do think adamantine cloaks need a rebalance for the next tourney, and Tourneyanon's decision to double their price is a good start, it needs to be tested to see if that choice is good enough or not, but it's a good start.

Cont.

>>183527068
Now, about Herne's manager, does he deserve the bashing? No, I don't think so, sure, he may have bought an item that is clearly unbalanced, but that doesn't make it invalid, the worst thing you could say about thing would be that his tactics are scummy, but still valid, and them being tactics is debatable, since his decision of buying the adamantine cloak didn't come from looking at the results of extensive arena testing with different armor combinations that showed that the adamantine cloak was objectively the best choice, it came from the observation of the performance of fighters wearing adamantine cloaks in previous tourneys, and that observation showed that those fighters did quite well, so that's why he decided to take the adamantine cloak, and that seems completely normal and fine, so I don't even think it's fair to call it a "scummy tactic".

Now, that being said, I hope He-Man splits that fucking elk man's skull in two

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>>183526198
>He-Man is made out of 100% straight heroic material (for any of the ladies out there)

Cool words mango

>>183527068
>>183527209
The thing is, investing all those points into adamantine cloaks is obviously way way way more cost-efficient than armour, but you gotta remember that's 180 points you can't spend on weapon skill, dodging, or even just fighter. You trade defense for the risk of your opponent simply outskilling you. Banning or making them too expensive is unnecessary, just make armour less expensive, buff shields or whatever. More options are always better.

>>183514278
What is your general opinion on purple fist?

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is bone armour okay?

>>183528626
It will protect against unarmed attacks and animals of average size, but little else.

>>183528046
Purple Fist was pretty cool and a more than worthy opponent. With no blood or organs to pierce, he was probably the single most dangerous opponent Herne could have faced in the first round. If Purple Fist wins the Battle Royale, I won't consider it a disappointment.

>>183527948
>t. herne's manager

>>183527948
I do think making the more expensive is necessary, if you were to leave it's price as it is, then you should make it so that an adamantine mail shirt, breastplate, and greaves costs less than 180 points, since the three of them combined still offer less protection, but that might make armor go from "too expensive" to "too cheap". So yeah, unless you increase the price of an adamantine cloak significantly then you're gonna have to decrease the price of armor significantly, perhaps too much, to make it balanced.

>>183528750
If I were you I would have added an amethyst earring or something after the fight (if you can even get one of those in the arena)

>>183527948
I'd say buffing shields would be a good start.

Any battle royale bets? I'm betting on the elementalmen. Their extra defence gave them an early advantage and if everyone's getting back to beginner gear, I believe they all have a pretty good chance.

>>183529063
Here's the problem
A single adamantine cloak is better than full adamantine plate armor, significantly so
There is no price that adamantine cloaks could be set to that would balance them, they need to be banned outright

>>183529072
Neither gems nor ornamental crafts are available in the arena, sadly.

>>183529315
It'll be mostly the high defence or dodge opponents who survive en masse during the later stages imo, and so they have a statistical advantage for one of those types of gladiators winning.

>>183529417
>A single adamantine cloak is better than full adamantine plate armor, significantly so
I don't think that's true, where your proof?

>>183529786
Testanon did his stuff and proved it a few threads ago. Adamantibe cloaks are literally mithril cloth, without the encumbrance of armour.

>>183529417
I have to admit, it's pretty unreasonable that adamantine cloaks can deflect even the heaviest blunt attacks. Could it be a bug with how fabric armor transmits force?

>>183530050
They lack coverage on many important areas, and provide almost no blunt protection. "Significantly better" my fucking arse.

>>183530206
>provide almost no blunt protection
You couldn't be more wrong on this.

>>183522580
Not him, but why not?

>>183530206
I can't find it right now, so hopefully someone else screencapped it or can link you his post.
Also it's not that they're better in terms of protection, just stupidly cost-effective and allow you full movement, unlike armour.

>>183530505
Low value, can't smooth or engrave, bad aesthetics. When you pierce the caverns they'll start to fill with mold and fungal shrubs that will just clutter up the whole place.

>>183530050
Eh...

Anon I think you didn't read the description of my test correctly, in my test there were two groups, one wearing a standard full set of adamantine armor, while the others weere wearing a set of armor composed of parts that offered the highest amount of protection for the least amount of money, which were an adamantine armor, an adamantine hood, an adamantine pair of guantlets and an adamantine pair of high boots. Take a look: https://pastebin.com/YKuhgkiD

It's that in the observations I called the humans that were wearing the second set of armor "humans with cloaks", maybe that's what cause the confusion.

>>183530486
It looks like it's time to sign someone up for an accelerated magma diving course.

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>>183530206
>>183530549
Cloaks cover everything but the hands, lower legs, feet, and head. Today's first fight shows that those are indeed important areas to lack coverage on.

>>183530407
>>183530549
I'm confused about that - what's your source?

VOTE FOR WHO YOU THINK WILL WIN THE BATTLE ROYALE NOW

http://www.strawpoll.me/13507409

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You can't make bedrooms on tiles with soil?

>>183531001
Testing. Go into arena mode and spawn two guys with adamantine cloaks and whatever blunt weapon you feel like.

>>183531108
You can. You just can't smooth and engrave the walls/floor, making the finished rooms less valuble.

>He-man vs Herne
>100 pounds of pure badass vs a walking piece of venison
I'm excited as fuck.

>>183531362
a dwarf is much happier with a valuable room?

>>183531478
How mad would you be if Herne won?

>>183531483
Yes, and also un-smoothed rooms look kind of shitty to the player.

>>183531601
Honestly not all that mad.
I still want He-Man to win. He beat me fair and square, after all.

>>183531728
May whomever your fighter is rest in peace, i honestly feel like all of He-Man's fights have been way too short and i'd love to see a really long and brutal fight, no matter who'd win.

>>183532160
Use blunt weapons then.

Swords kill fast.

>>183532226
Too late for that now, ive already sent Tourneyanon my last upgrades for He-Man

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Oy vey I made a new creature and an entity to accompany them - their start biomes are set to glacier and tundra, and they support both glacier and tundra along with any wetland or desert.
But either the civ never spawns or dies out without having any sites. Why is this? Pls help desu thx

>>183532430
Probably something else. I've generated worlds with tundra/glacier people and they spawn sites. They won't actually colonize glaciers though, they only build on tundra.

>>183531616
unsmoothed rooms look much better for me, sometimes it's hard to say where starts another room

>>183532430
Gib raws

>>183533513
>>183532782
Here's the entity entry
https://pastebin.com/FnfG7AFp
and the creature entry
https://pastebin.com/xzVx7AZN
I haven't had much time to tinker with them the past two weeks but I remember they're copied from human creature/entity raws, so anything unchanged should be identical to them.

>>183530486
>they can demand things that are impossible to build save for moods

>>183530868
>shirt covers tips of toes

>>183535432
Just took a quick look but if i had to guess it would be that the
[DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY]
[LIKES_SITE:CITY]
[LIKES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[TOLERATES_SITE:TREE_CITY]
in entity file is causing your problems.

Is it heresy to ask if you can play DF with other species?

>>183536874
it's heresy to have not even opened the fucking game

>>183536943
I know other species will possibly move in or interact with your fort further on into the game , I'm wondering about the start of the game to be exact

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Summer has arrived on the calendar.

>>183537071
stop being dumb and play he game and find out

>>183537071
its a single player game
do whatever the fuck you like

it's designed around being able to do just that, by the way (though it's not completely implemented, you need to alter raws and shit in order to do everything with say kobolds that you could with dwarves).

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>>183530486
>only a bronze bed
If you're a noble making nigh-unfulfillable demands, you may as well go for maximum opulence.

>20 dwarves immigrating at start
jesus christ

>I have to tame an animal to slaughter it
the fuck kind of sense does that make

>>183536874
Yes, it just involves some raw editing

Look up mods for it, though, some of the raw editing required can get funky if you want everything to actually work properly

>>183538749
You dont though?

>>183538749
If you were a wild animal, would you agree to being dragged along by a small, stupid, smelly, most likely naked humanoid being to a place with a lot of sharp things? No. You would attack.
Also, if you don't want to tame them, weapon trap bacon makers.

>>183538749
Well you have to lead it by hand to the workshop and carve it up.
It is kind of silly, but just kill it first. Putting it in a cage might work too, don't remember.

>>183538749
It needs to be safe for your butchers to handle

>>183537270
>want to play other species
>want to change those species to act like Dwarves
Once military expeditions and moving around the map like Adventure mode get added to Fortress mode, playing as other races without modding them into not!Dwarves should be more viable. Kobolds that can actually run around stealing stuff with only primitive camps, goblins that work under the direction of a Demon lead by the player, etc.

yo what do I change in the personality screen to make my adventurer not need to drink alcohol?

>>183539416
It should just be "need to drink alcohol."

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>>183539664
I mean these

>>183539806
I don't think you can

>>183539806
I don't think any of those have a bearing on it. If you set them all neutral, you'll be fine (then you can just roleplay how you want anyways).

>>183539416
>>183539806
You can't. Once your adventurer has seen enough shit they always become alcoholics regardless of their race. You can start already an alcoholic if you are a dwarf or if you are something else with high intemperance (i think)

>forgotten beast has come
>made of solid salt
>beware of venomous breathe
>shouldnt be too bad
>dies in two hits
>half of my legendary squad dies a few minutes later

ok

>>183540216
>The world of Armok is so fucked up that immortal Vampires get a thousand yard stare and lose their will to live without alcohol

>>183540491
are you salty?

>>183540491
Post description from Legends mode

>>183538990
>>183539085
>>183539082
>>183539041
it makes no sense that I can't murder any animal and butcher it. pretty sure you can't butcher things killed by weapon traps or anything but a hunter on a hunting duty.

>>183537132
i praise your effort but some of the proportions here are pretty bad... like the dwarf eating at the table and the dwarf in the background 3rd from our right look very derpy

>>183541641
You can butcher most animals after killing them.

>>183541641
Butchers will butcher any non-sentient creature within their range. The only exceptions I've observed is pets and tamed creatures that died in combat (regardless of if they were a pet).

>>183541796
>>183541641
You've got Butcher and Slaughter mixed up. You can only Slaughter tamed non-pets, but you can Butcher any valid corpse. Make sure someone has the job, and that the given animal corpse is not Forbidden, and your dwarves should Auto-Butcher any viable corpse.

>>183541641
>I can't murder any animal and butcher it
but you can, unless they're pets.

pets can only be slaughtered when they're still alive.

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Is punching any effective in adventure mode? also, rate my adventurer.

>>183541664
ty for the feedback anon

>>183542390
Punching can be quite effective. The "Kisat Dur" thread on bay12 has some decent information on it.

You'll still probably need a weapon. I'm guessing from his personality that he's a monk sorta dude, so a blunt weapon wouldn't be a bad choice.

>>183505927
No, the majority of the world's population is abstracted, and most individuals don't exist until they're created on the fly for gameplay. You'll get random migrants and invaders this way, and many of the people you encounter in settlements in adv mode as well. Location visitors in fort mode seem to be mostly (or entirely?) made up of histfigs, though.

>>183542390
>Is punching any effective in adventure mode?
more than effective
no weapon/armor runs kick ass
all you really need is a shield or two for blocking and a helm so you don't get brained
something to protect the upper-spine/neck also helps, but that's less important

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>>183542390
Punching is ok, kicking is great when you can use it right, but wrestling is the shizzy.

Catch an incoming weapon by aiming a grab at it, then dodge in a direction of your choice so you aren't standing beside the target, you keep the weapon. I think this one was called Fadesomething?

Aim a grab at a weapon and jump through the target to make them dodge or knock them over and keep the weapon. Hawkwrath.

Do that at full running speed to make them grind their face and/or dick against the ground. Dragonfall.

Climb up a wall and let an enemy approach from below, grab them, then aim a takedown and let go of the wall. Skyhammer.

Aim a grab at an incoming punch or kick instead of dodging/blocking, and attack at the same time. Forget what that one was called too.

Hard to tell in this image but I was standing next to an ally and saw the other dude about to attack them so I grabbed a hand on a hunch and managed to do the action hero *reach over and intercept a punch meant for someone else* thing.

>>183542390
P.S. Fighter skill is really important. If you've got that at a high level you can do extremely well even with mediocre kick/strike skills.

>>183544026
Dwarf Tekken when? That sounds incredible

>>183544026
Holy shit

>>183544026
Kisat dur is cool, but it feels so cheaty.

>accidentally put 2000 titans in world generation and entire map in the highest savagery and evil
just how fucked am I?

>>183544523
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=148015.0
Brosheph Stalin is my fucking sensei, his shit here is incredible

>>183541024
how

>>183544026
doesn't wresting also improve how much "shake them about in your mouth" fucks someone up
I've ripped hands off with a high wrestling skill by biting before

>>183545364
Stay away from the north west of the map, titans tend to congregate there.

>>183545364
I read this as 2000 italians and was very amused

>>183544301
>t. ignoramus
proven by tests. it's shit, like the archer skill

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>>183541024
nvm I think this is what you want?

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>>183545525
>don't go to northwest.
SHIT

>>183545639
Don't worry, it's only a few tiles, though there can be over a hundred on a normal embark if you go there. Something to do with pathing during world gen, I think. It might have been fixed though.

>>183544301
It's useless. It just serves as a way of measuring how much fighting the character does (just like the archer skill)

>>183510201
cool fort dude

>>183545568
Then how do I consistently hit tricky attacks with a novice kicker, Master fighter adventurer?

>>183545419
Yeah I was reading that thread, this is some literal Dragon Ball shit. It's incredible.

>>183546935
Seriously though, talk about emergent gameplay, right?

>>183547210
Weaponised autism is a powerful thing.

Dragonfall in particular sounds like some anime bullshit
>sprint at enemy, preparing a Grab on their weapon
>before Grab lands, Jump with full force
>intercept enemy's weapon with a second, mid-air Grab
Meanwhile, the enemy kobold is screaming N-NANI!? HE'S FAST!!!
>slam both feet into enemy to land the jump, wrenching away their weapons and knocking them a few dozen meters back/into walls/etc

I just want to see someone go full fucking edgelord and pull off a Jump - Neck Bite combo on like twenty guys in a row.

>>183547603
ATATATATATATATATATATATATATA

>N-NANI!?

You are already dead.

>>183547762
>three-strike break with light punches on the throat, spine and gut
>enemy spontaneously bleeds out, snaps their neck and vomits
Oma wa mou...
Shindeiru

>>183545630
I never knew fb's had associations with spheres. Do they have different ones or are they all associated with murder and caverns?

>>183548018
AFAIK they're always associated with caverns, but they can have various other spheres in addition, like muck, water, darkness, and other unpleasant things.

Any way to get rid of webs in adventure mode? I was exploring a vault, and it suddenly said I found a large system of caverns deep under ground, but I'm still in the vault, only there's enemies and webs.

>>183548813
throw water or mud at them

>>183548813
Just let your dorfs collect them, spider silk is a fairly good material.

>>183549084
>adventure mode

>>183549014
How do I throw water?

>>183549084
In adventure mode, not fortress mode

>>183549150
>>183549156
Shit, sorry, I didn't notice.

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on my second fort. How can I get just a little of this lava under a magma forge?

>>183549194
Sall good

>>183549224
It's kind of tricky to do, at least without sacrificing a miner. The safest way is to dig a channel from the level above the entire volcano that flows into a pipe with a (magma safe!) hatch cover to open and close it. Then build a cistern underneath and you have essentially a magma faucet. Make sure to turn it off between 4/7 and 7/7 depth, so you can keep your forges powered without flooding your fort.

>>183549553
Also, dig the channel into the side of the volcano LAST. Build your faucet and cistern first, and place the hatch cover and hook it up to a lever (again, use a magma safe mechanism in the hatch cover) BEFORE you dig the channel that lets in magma.

>>183546508
because the difficulty modifiers are usually bollocks?
I manage to hit enemies in '''''impossible''''' atacks with freshly created adventurers, and completely fail almost direct atacks

If you play enough, you know when a hit will make contact or no, but it only vaguely follows the game's indications

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>>183549553
Can I do it like this from above?

So I have a human mercenary that seems to regularly attack the yearly law giver who visits my fort.

However, this time I noticed the lawgiver who died had a human hair amulet. Does that mean he was a vampire?

I was pretty surprised to see my mercenary in the Hospital since he's a legendary fighter. That would make sense.

>>183550309
Um... I'm not sure what you're trying to do. You need to dig into the magma FROM ABOVE, using the c(h)annel designation.

= = = = = !! = =
= X _ _ .. _ .. ..
= X = = .. = ~ ~
= X = = .. = ~ ~
= X _ C h = ~ ~
= X = = .. = ~ ~
_ X _ .. .. = ~ ~
= = = _ _ = ~ ~

Here's a really terrible diagram, sorry if it looks even worse in the post. This is a side view. X is stairs, = is a solid wall, _ is a floor, h is the magma safe hatch cover (linked to a lever), C is a constructed wall, and .. is open space. first build the pipe, THEN build the hatch cover (on any floor), then link it to a lever, then build the constructed wall to block off access to the hatch cover. You only need a 1x1 pipe, magma flows surprisingly fast through it. The cistern at the bottom can obviously be bigger, I just made it really small. The floor below the !! is the part you need to channel out after you've finished everything else; THAT's where magma flows over from the volcano into your faucet. And use the lever to turn it on and off.

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>>183551348

pic for proof

>>183549553
>Make sure to turn it off between 4/7 and 7/7 depth, so you can keep your forges powered without flooding your fort.
Your advice is generally fine, but that in particular is wrong. Magma doesn't naturally have any pressure no matter how many z it falls or how many z of magma are sitting on top of it, so doing what you described doesn't have any risk of flooding.

>>183551348
Nah, humans are okay with keeping trophies of fellow humans. I think that the civ your mercenary is from and the civ you get traders from are possibly at war, and your mercenary is fighting the law giver as an enemy of his civ or something.

>>183552397
Ah, that's assuming that you're smart and make the pipe outflow horizontal at the level of your cistern, or wall it off so it flows directly into the cistern. The way I did it, the pipe just dumped it directly from the ceiling above into the cistern, so the magma could slide around on top of the level of the cistern and spill over the side. Nearly flooded my mine before I realized my mistake.

>>183552397
>>183552620
I was able to do it the unsafe way (I also lacked magma safe materials for it). My dorf somehow evaded the lava bath as a bonus.