Ace Combat General #324 - /aceg/

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First for fireballs

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Second for superior kinematic performance to a combat load F-16.

Now that we're here: speculate on the future of aerial combat. Think 50-75 years out.

>dogfighting, obsolete or not?
>drones vs piloted craft
>changes in standard fighter size/dimensions?
>weapons systems
>stealth still viable?

Personally I suspect that fighters will to a fair extent remain the same sizes/dimensions that they are at present, even if unmanned. Beyond that I don't have much of a clue though.

>>183249823
Drones, probably. Maybe we could find a way to make them smaller if we can reduce the size of their engines and payload.

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>>183249823
Variable Fighters.

it is a part of my strangereal headcannon that Knight Rider was aired in strangereal as well, but with a jet instead of a car. the question is, what is the jet equivalent of an 82 Trans-Am? it has to be a two seater where they can hide the actual pilot from the cameras.

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>>183249823
>>dogfighting, obsolete or not?
Its obsolete now. Unless we all get amnesia and forget how to manufacture decent missiles and sensors, close range gunfights are dodo-tier.

>>drones vs piloted craft
We're gonna say greater integration of drone combat craft for sure, but they aren't going to completely replace pilots for now. The sixth gen of fighter aircraft is probably going to go the mothership with drone wingmen route, like in Yukikaze.
>>changes in standard fighter size/dimensions?
Probably the same as it is now
>>weapons systems
Lasers for anti missile defence are gonna be a thing. Smaller missiles as well, so you can pack more into the internal weapon bays of most 5th gen fighters.
>>stealth still viable?
Yes.


t. Janes Defence Weekly reader

>>183250074

Slightly crap, but with a dedicated following worldwide and exceptionally simple to keep running. Also takes well to questionable paintjobs.

...MiG-21UTI?

>>183249916
My thinking is that making them smaller would give them advantages in the maneuverability department, but that may not even be paramount in the next decades anyway. Their weapon capacity would be severely limited, but that's ok since you could probably count on having two smallish drones for every standard-size fighter you'd otherwise be building.

A more serious limitation would be operational range; despite their reduced size and weight, I imagine that they'd still get quite a bit less range than a full-sized fighter, especially since their wingspan would be reduced as well (I'm still assuming these drones are designed for A2A). They could still be quite handy for fleet defense and shorter-range operations though.


>>183250197
Yeah, I know dogfighting is in the dumps already, and I really can't anticipate much that would change that. But who knows. I concur about lasers and such for point defense against missiles too.
Coincidentally, I just started watching Yukikaze tonight, so I'm not watching your webm. But drone wingmen make a certain degree of sense; I'll have a better idea of what you're referring to sometime tomorrow when I finish the show, I guess.

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>anon beat me to the thread
Feels bad.

Anyway, slav shit best shit,

Also, here's anon's AC3 guide. Hope you enjoy it, buddy.
https://mega.nz/#F!2w0TnRhK!0KlqtvIou-68rkcJLKHHww
I also have the strategy guides for 5 and 0.
If you buddies are interested I might scan those too sometime soon.

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>>183250632
Read the book as well, there's a bunch of stuff that the OAV skips over that really fleshes out the themes of the story.

>>183250852
There are strategy guides for AC games?

>>183250852
Brady you're a real g.

>>183250976
I'll check it out; I dig the OVA so far. I haven't watched much of this stuff though, so I guess I don't have much to compare it to. Not that that matters. Macross seems to be pretty popular, but as a franchise it seems a bit daunting. I'll probably give it a go sometime later anyway.

>>183250852
Thanks man!

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>>183251379
Here's the epub version, if you don't want to spend time and money tracking down a physical copy.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/v5xkor8xvn8z4qm/Yukikaze.epub

>>183250613
yeah, I could see that in black with the red lights lining the intake.

>>183250613
>MiG-21
>Not the F-5
The F-5 is also an internationally popular, pretty crap shitbox, with the bonus of being an American plane with cannons made by Pontiac.

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>joined Dision in AC3
>mfw the next 30 minutes
>mfw I have no face
What in actual fuck was that. I was thoroughly entertained but very VERY confused. Will playing the other routes help flesh this out a bit? Especially in regards to Rena and why the player character goes nuclear. are you playing as another "evolved" human like Dision, being controlled by Simon or something?

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>>183252373

>>183251693
Hey, thanks. Appreciate it.

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>>183252489

>>183252373
I haven't played the Dision route but the other ones look more tame. UPEO has a pretty comfy ending, the Neucom Fiona one is a bit sad and I don't remember much of the GR one with Keith.

Rena just has flight autism, not much more there from what I remember.

You are an AI tested by Simon in a simulation of a hypothetical war. None of what happens is real

>>183252616
I guess you recommend you play that route then because it was truly batshit crazy in a good way. So there's just the 4 routes in total right? Can you play through them on the same save/profile or how does that work?

>>183252750
I guess I*

>>183252373
full spoilers here. The player character, N.E.M.O., is an advanced AI program in an artificial world within the electrosphere whose entire purpose is to simulate the entire world during the corporate wars in order to contain and repeatedly Abyssal Dision. Abyssal Dision is a digital copy of the real Dision that was uploaded to the electrosphere. shortly after that happened the real dision died in an explosion. Basically you're the antagonist and each route/ending is another simulation. that's why each save file has 6 slots, one for each ending and when you get all of them I believe it unlocks another ending. you kill Dision in the end in every route.

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>>183252597
Easily my least favorite mission. Groups of stationary submarines walled off on 3 sides.

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>>183252950
I see.

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>>183251379
Macross isn't that daunting. You can start at pretty much any point in the franchise and not miss out on much since all of the series are pretty self contained as far as story goes.
Production order is still the way to go, but if your strapped for time, you can start off with Zero or Plus and just whittle down the rest through attrition.

>>183252750
5 routes I think. UPEO, Keith, Dision, Fiona and whatever her sister was called.

I think the easiest way to go theough the game is to just save at the decision points and then reload from there while making a save for all endings. It kinda works if you save over the decisions of routes you have completed.

Or you can just replay it all at all times. I don't know if the game recognises that you did all the endings if you use just one save.

That said I will have to do his route at some point. But his views kinda kept me from it the first time around.

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>>183253129
here, this ought to help.

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>>183253631
Zero and Plus are the comfiest ones tbqh. Zero just a bit more because the characters arent asshats.

Frontier is alright too minus whatshisname femboy being a shit at times. And then oddly grounded at other times. They also strap way too many packs to their VFs

SDF is QUALITY ANIMATION and the same Minmay songs over and over. But it is also up there.

Can't speak for 7 or Delta except that those have a lot more singing in it.

Ultimately I recommend Area 88 if you just want jets doing jet things.

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>Two engines
>conformal fuel tanks

Ppppppssshhhhhh these memes

>>183254152
Zero
>characters not asshats
Yeah, they were bland cardboard cutouts instead. The only character I remember from Zero was the qt pacific islander loli who wanted Shinns gunpod in her vagina.

>>183254534
>not missile in her exhaust nozzle
I never said it was high art but they were more relatable than Isamu and Guld half the time.

Her sister was cuter tbqh

>>183252950
>>183253129
to put a cherry on top of Abyssal Dision's suffering the first thing he sees when he is created is his real self starting to get it on with his scientist girlfriend, but he doesn't realize that the real Dision is him and so he thinks it's some other guy. then he sees the explosives being planted in the lab and watches his real self and girlfriend getting blown up.

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What is your favourite US Navy paintjob, buddies?

>>183254152
Seven is much less serious than the rest. THE POWER OF ROCK is a tangible, quantifiable force throughout the series. Still one of my favourites in the franchise.
It does provide a good part of the setup for all the "music magic" plot points in Frontier and Delta.
The problem with Delta is its second half: it was meant to be 13 episode + movie, so when they changed it to 26 episodes they just murdered the series.

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>>183255329
Seven also has the best OVAs of the series. Dynamite is fucking awesome. The main series is a bit of a slog to get through, but the payoff is absolutely worth it in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujnpXCaOSA4

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>>183252616
Neucom is sad because it's so good.

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>>183255329
Stealth Black.

>>183255567
Personally I enjoyed the series. All the insanity was fun after how grounded Plus was.
Though Basara isn't exactly an enjoyable lead. Rock related autism on Rena's flying autism tier. I WILL MOVE THE MOUNTAIN WITH MY SONG.

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>>183255712
>Though Basara isn't exactly an enjoyable lead
Are you kidding, his rock and roll autism was the best part, aside from Mylene/Guvava and the VF's. Plus, when he ANIMA SPIRITIA'd Gepelnitch, it was one of the top moments in any mecha show I've watched.

>>183255712
At least I can relate to Rena's autism.

That said to this day I wonder why they bothered with the idols and music at all instead of just making a space opera with VFs, I would've loved that shit way more. I'm also still disappointed that ot was just the Zentradi and noone else. Yamato was boring like that too.

>>183255998
I don't know why people want Macross to be some kinda serious gritty scifi war drama when there's a trillion shows and books that do that stuff already, like Gundam, or LoGH, or The Expanse, or Battlestar Galactica.

I like the uniqueness of Macross, not a lot of shows feature such a heavy emphasis on war machines while relying on entirely peaceful means to resolve their central conflictsplus I love the songs

>>183255919
That scene was a blast (no pun intended) to watch. Still, I didn't enoy him as a character.
I was quite fond of Gamlin, tbqh.

>>183255998
My guess is that they wanted to set themselves apart from the rest of the mecha franchises of the time (even if the transformation mechanics of the VFs are outstanding, they weren't the only franchise boasting a transformation gimmick) by introducing pop music: Minmay.
It just became embeded into the series' formula and the executives probably don't want to take the risk of lowering their benefits by removing it.

>>183256297
None of them have space Tomcats tho. That is all I want. I don't have anything against it, it's just a bizarre choice.

>>183256375
Sounds about right.

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I just want there to be Macross mods for AC7. Hopefully Bamco won't try to clamp down on it.

>>183258041
Special weapons = hover mode in the mecha?

>>183255712
Dude awesome work on the F2 in the last thread!
Would sink PLAN fleet/10

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>>183259290
Nah, VF's can carry normal SP weapons as well.

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>>183259369
Thank you. I'll repost it, if you don't mind.
Next up: Scarface 1 Su-30SM, Modern F-105 and Freedom Flanker (I need a cool Navy paintjob for this one).

>>183259443
Are any of these master files printed in english?

>>183259727
I'm home in about 6 hours and can give you a pick of a nice navy digi camo hornet...

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>>183260078
Nope, but partial translations exist on the web.
Check Macrossworld's translation thread.

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>>183260175
Personally I'd like to use one of the flashy, colourful ones, but that would be great too!

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>>183260175
>digi camo hornet
On second thought that might be a bit too complex to draw in a reasonable timeframe...

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>tfw no matter what route you do fiona suffers in some way
AC3 is a sad game

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>>183262078
That's what she gets for being with Neucom.
Then again you kill Rena and Dision in just about all of the endings too, Keith looses his buddy for his route and the UPEO buddy whose name I forgot ends up being alone after everyone leaves the force in most routes.

No clue what happens with Cynthia tbqh. But someone always gets fucked over in this game.

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>10

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>>183265301
Wyvern a cute.

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>tfw no invisible gf

>>183267376
Maybe we all have one and just can't see her?

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>>183267825
But even if we do have one that we can't see, why can't we feel her? ;_;

>>183268394
Objects in stealthdimensional travel don't interact with our space.

>>183250197
I've heard that Janes has suffered massively on the technical side in the last decade. Something along the lines of no longer doing their own research but instead just copying and compiling. Care to comment?

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>>183259727
Cool navy paintjob?

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VX-4 has some of the best (worst) naval paintjobs in my opinion.

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>>183269582
That evaluation squadron knew those aircraft were pure sex.
>>183269690
This one is way over the top, though. Painting this on a Flanker would be a bit much.
Personally I like the grey body with colour accents along the cockpit and the vertical stabilizers, but I don't know a lot of them., hence why I ask here about favourites.

>>183270581
That's a neat pic, my dad actually served aboard the Ranger when VF-2 Bounty Hunters and VF-1 Wolfpack were stationed there.

>>183270683
That's really neat. It's not in Spain that I'd get anecdotes like that.
Any favourite paintjob along the lines of what I described?

>>183271046
To be perfectly honest, my favorite was always VF-1, like in >>183255329.

>>183240074
Ha! Of course the best plane would get the best idol as well.

In your opinion, which Ace Combat game has the best:

>Gameplay

>Story

>Music

>Atmosphere

>Supporting Characters

>>183273430
5
3
4
3
4

>>183273430
6
04
Hard choice, tentatively Zero.
04 and Zero are tied here
3 by default, because it had actual side characters that developed

>>183273430
Personally

>Gameplay
0
>Story
4
>Music
4
>Atmosphere
5
>Supporting Characters
6

>>183273430
>Gameplay
6 and 2
>Story
5
>Music
Zero
>Atmosphere
4
>Supporting Characters
6

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>>183273430
I can never decide on this shit because I love all of them.

>>Gameplay
Not too many big changes here but 6 wins for having the maneuver system. X2 gets a mention because it had all those loadout options. Zero gets one for the boresight.

>>Story
Zero and 5 are still my favourites

>>Music
AC1 and 2 tbqh. It makes you feel happy to go murder shit.

>>Atmosphere
I got nothing on this.

>>Supporting Characters
Zero, 5 or JP3. Not too much in the other games from what I remember.
Honorary mention of the copilot in AC1 and 2 though.

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>>183273430
>Gameplay
Ace Combat 6

>Story
Hard tie between 04, 5 and Zero, desu. I like all three equally but if it had to come down to one, 04's is probably the best of regards to minimalistic simplicity. 5 is the most dramatic and cinematic whereas Zero is a slightly stripped down version of that borrowing from 04's minimalism.

>Music
Ace Combat 5

>Atmosphere
Ace Combat 5. 04's muted colors and relatively dull soundtrack at times tends to put me to sleep.

>Supporting Characters
Zero. Pixy and the enemy squadrons are all people I'd like to meet. Otherwise, 6.

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Some time spent trying things out has let me know that:
>cleaning low-res schematics is a pain
>high-res ones are too noisy with an excess of panel lining
>my attempts at creating a decent paintjob are underwhelming
I really have no idea of how to do original paintjobs, but here's a colour sketch.

>>183273851
Actually I changed my mind.
>Gameplay
AC:I
>Story
4
>Music
4
>Atmosphere
0
>Supporting Characters
6

Fite me

>>183274527
Story's not even a contest. 5 used cardboard cutouts for everything from villains to protagonists.

Zero has a pretty weak story as well, but is saved by the strength of the presentation and the interviews.

4 has basically the only worthwhile story in the series, because it's more human. It's not really about the gods of the sky, but about a more grounded view of war's effects.

>>183275000
Did you play 3?

>>183275000
That's just like your opinion buddy.

>>183275000
Yeah, that's about what I'd say.

>>183275425
3 is a cut and dry anime.

>>183276280
>Anime
Yes.
>cut and dry
Hardly.

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>>183273430
>Gameplay
6
>Story
5

>Music
0
>Atmosphere
5
>Supporting Characters
5/0

>>183274814
How about low visibility tiger camo ?

>>183276589
I'll add that if JP AC3 is largely derivitive of some anime I'd be genuinely interested to know which ones.

>>183277338
Ghost in the Shell, largely. Oshii's film had just come out not too long before.

>>183277767
Those damn Belkans!

>>183278169
youtube.com/watch?v=wsJyC5g4IBo

2d thrust vectoring is pretty old...

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Everyone post exotic designs.
>>183273430
>Gameplay
Either 6 or Infinity
>Story
0 and 04 are tied here
>Music
as are the games of the Holy Trinity here.
>Atmosphere
0 or 04 again.
>Supporting Characters
I have no idea here.
>>183275000
Checked, but that's your opinion. 5 is at least trying, and Zero's beautiful. I do agree on 4, though.

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kill all your friends

>>183273430
>Gameplay
Purely flying-wise, infinity

>Story
0

>Music
0

>Atmosphere
4 cutscene are great, but 0 is better in everything

>Supporting Characters
While I really, really like Pops and Bartlett, probably 3.
Or, again, 0, it's just that good.

>>183279926
That is a pretty good summary.

Woooo, two upcoming games of 2017 to spend time on while waiting for Ace Combat 7
>Raiden V
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Z0yj5IDdI
>Blue Reflection (although this one has already come out in Japan several months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzxDom6UgT4

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>Play Gleipnir boss mission through another route
>no optical camo this time, motherfu-
>it does a barrel roll

Fucking amazing. They really should make a mission route system for every games

>>183280950
I hope BR isn't as bad
I'm enjoy pic related right now desu actually, despite everyone saying it's shit.

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>>183281549
Gleipnir was fun

>>183281549
>Gleipnir doing barrel roll
I like it when the entire Gleipnir crew loses their cool. It turns the so-called superweapon from something nightmarish into object of ridicule.

>I'm enjoy pic related right now desu actually, despite everyone saying it's shit.
Graphic quality arguably not the best should mean not-so-demanding system requirements for the PC build unless bad port.

>>183273430
>Gameplay
5
But if we're talking pure control, Infinity is the best.

>Story
3

>Music
X!

>Atmosphere
Argh
I'd still say 3, but 0 is so unique at times

>Characters
My heart says my buddy, but my brain still say 3

I haven't played 6 though.

I don't like Infinity's Assault Horizon physics!

Also, when I went from 04 to 5, I felt 5 had much lighter controls and was an easier game in general. I'm still not sure if that change was for the better or if it made it more realistic.

>>183282608
i enjoyed it as i prefer the more twitchy aspect it offered, but the main problem i found with the change from light and loose in 5 compared to 4's controls was that they didnt improve the AI to use it and thus made everything easy as hell
it was only improved in Zero where AI could pull also sorts of crazy shit as it used it fully

>>183282608
>Assault Horizon physics
Not really.

Assualt Horizon on 3DS worth a buy? Is it a good remake?

>>183284958
It's an AC2 remake. And it's very good. Just get the eShop version.

>>183284958
Yeah. It has more of a story, and special elements of 2 that were just there have plot significance now. ZOE is a party crasher.

There's a stripped down version of DFM that plays more like the counter maneuvers in Sky Crawlers so gameplay doesn't get too monotonous.

Only downside is the best tracks from 2 don't make it in.

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>>183284958
it plays nothing like AC2 but is still very enjoyable, has a couple of boss squadrons with Z.O.E becoming a mandatory fight, a few new missions and has its story updated alongside some amiibo aircraft that actually look quite nice, like a Pac-Man PAK-FA
also prepare for some of the best boss OST in existence

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>>183288401
8 man Scarface livery squadron when

>>183288550
once ac7 comes out

>>183273430
6 / AC:I
0
2
0
0

>>183277767
>that fuckhuge nozzle
I don't know how to feel about this

>>183289390
Actually lemme revise this, 2 and 1 are tied for best music.

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>train enters the station
>look out the window onto the roof of a building covered in grafitti
>"NO BORDERS NO NATIONS" in huge letters over the entire roof
>didn't catch a picture to meme with

>>183289046
>8 man formations with custom squad intros
>all with self made liveries for planes of our choice in the style of the AC1 liveries
>all its members are /aceg/ buddies
>all have perfect coordination with each other that ensure maximum cover and support
worlds comfiest squadron comin up

>>183288550
We could do a coop campaign in IL2 and win the war as WW2 Phoenix.

>>183251693

What is that from? That's a gorgeous plane.

>>183289954
let see whos in the squad, you, thunder, tom, wtgAnon, dorn, anonx3. sounds about right

>>183292017
http://sparrow.o.oo7.jp/

daily praise for drawanon. The F-2C is looking dope.

>>183292074
What is that supposed to mean?

>>183292840
you will know when time comes)))

>>183292074
More like whatever 8 buddies happen to be on at the time. Maybe you if you're around.

>>183293276
I'll see your ass connected to my boot first. Start talking

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Is the Phantom still a capable fighter in today's world? What modern aircraft could an F-4 feasibly take on?

>>183296864
It'd help a lot for every country to start using MiG-21s.

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>>183296864
Turky is using it still,
the question is in what role you deploy them against what enemy, with what RoE and weapons ect ect ...

if you want to beat up a shit hole in africa, an up to date F-4E with a gun is still overkill

here have a Mach3+ capable phantom, phellow phantom phanatic

>>183296935
>>183296935

As of 2017, there are ~550 MiG-21s, 500 Su-25s, 450 F-7s, 400 J-7s, and 400 F-5s in service worldwide. Except for the most heavily upgraded MiG-21s, I would give the modern F-4 an advantage against all of these.

There are also nearly 900 MiG-29s in active service worldwide, and against any of those which haven't been upgraded since the early 80s, I'd give the F-4F even odds as long as it stayed out of WVR combat.

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Post engines

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>>183298410
Engines are cool.

>>183300689
That's the SR-71's engine, right? I recognize those bypass tunnels.

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>>183298410

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>>183300808
Yeah, that's the one. Everything about the SR-71 and A-12 just screams fast, even the bare engines.

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>>183301197
SR-71 is so goddamn cool.

>>183301197
I bet the SR-71 would look good in phoenix livery.

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>>183301714
OH DORNIEVICH

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>>183301714
PLEASE

>>183301849
>>183301981
Note taken. I will be drawing tomorrow, hopefully I'll get to the SR-71.

>>183302094
>The day in which SR-71 stood for Super Radical

>>183302541
>a filename was born

>>183302094
I wish I had your time. I can shit out like a drawing a week at best.

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>>183303309
Well, I'm currently on a vacation, so I have a lot more free time than I normally do.
You're the drawbuddy who did this one, right?
I look forwards to the next piece you're willing to share!

>>183292074
im honoured you'd put me first for the squadron when im the mostly likely to be the first blood victim
the squadron would probably just be one stationary lead which would likely be Tom or Thunder with whoever happens to be on at the time

>>183303729
Groups of two tend to work best tbqh.

>>183303602
Aye, I've got an idea but we'll see if that goes anywhere or if I can even find the time this weekend.

>>183304390
me and tom were plannin on doin a gelb team for AC7 with him rollin Flanker and me S/MTD, although i doubt we could if it hasnt got crossplay between PS3/4 and PC as i dont think he's got a gaming capable PC

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is this under or over costed?

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>>183252489

>>183305050
I meant just in general. You might have a squad of 6 but that would still be split into groups of 2.

But that may also just be the Luftwaffe kicking in.

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>>183305579
naw, swarm tactics are better senpai

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>>183305190
made some syntax adjustments.

>>183305797
>not dividing a squadron of 8 into 4 elements of 2

>>183306037
>not having perfect coordination which removes the need to bisect the firepower twice over

>>183305797
It's gonna be unflexible. With pairs you can have them hunt individually while still keeping everyone protected and while encouraging cammeraderie between the wingmen that fly together.

Are AC3 and AH the only ones without a score counter?
I really like that ever so slightly arcadey aspect and I want it to stay forever!

>>183310006
>playing Base Combat on PZ3
>not playing the PZ2 games

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>>183310006
Again? They really want me to pick this up huh

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>>183312738
New Game/New Game! is still the better videogame focused anime.

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>https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/gripen-withdrawal-narrows-belgian-fighter-contest-439463/
"Stockholm has withdrawn Saab's Gripen E from a high-profile competition in Belgium, narrowing the field to a choice between the Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin F-35."

>>183316007
>Lockheed Martin F-35
disgusting

>>183316412
ok Pierre Sprey

>>183316007
Why does Belgium even need such high-end fighters?

>>183273430
0
0
0
0
0

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>>183316475

>>183316480
Yuros have to pay their 2%.

I liked using the Typhoon for a short time because I'm European and wanted to represent!
But I really can't look at it and say it's a good-looking plane.
It honestly kinda looks like shit, which is why I'll never use it again.
Anyone else feel that way, or am I just an arsehole?

>>183316571
>F-35
>stealth

>>183316689
Fly a Flanker instead!

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>>183316689
you know what it needs to look better? better liveries

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>>183316689
No you're right, its not the best looking fighter.
I much prefer the Jaguar or Mirage when it comes to Euro planes.

>>183316689
Fly a Rafale, the superior eurocanard.

>>183316571
>this meme image again

>>183316571
>A-10 Warthog
>Warthog
I'm probably in the minority here, but I think Thunderbolt is the more fitting name.

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>>183316921
Well, that or an F-15, sure!

>>183316968
I just don't like its shape. Delta-wing fighters can look great, like the Gripen or Rafale, but the Typhoon just has that weird shape to it with the slanted wings and the part where the engines looks especially bad. Not pleasing to the eye at all.

>>183317010
Yeah, that looks much better. The Mirage is cute!

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Real talk, buddies
I would like you to name a cooler high-altitude reconnaissance plane than this speedy bastard

Protip:
Do I even have to say it?

>>183316689
I feel the same, but I end up using it a lot anyways because it's just a good plane. It's a straight upgrade over the F-15C, my 4th gen planefu.

I'm just going to play F-35 in AC7 so whatever.

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>>183317731
>high-altitude reconnaissance plane

>>183317731
it with the Super Radical skin that dorn is making for us

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>>183317731
What is even the competition? A MiG-25/31 and a paper project phantom? SR-71 is literally in a class of its own, the only thing that could compete and win is

>>183318453
>ywn cruise on the very edge of the atmosphere
Feels bad.

>>183252597
That's easily the comfiest thing in the entire series beyond Sea of Chaos

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I didn't think it was possible for a human to feel as much hate as I feel towards sea goblin right now.

How did I do this shit when I was 12? This fucking waste of oxygen keeps getting shot down after deliberately running into SAMs and enemy fighters and then making me spend 6 more minutes finding nagase just to repeat his fucking circus of bullshit. I have cleared out the whole area of fighters before and after calling him using SMAA and the asshole somehow manages to go down because he fucking sneezed or simply because since he's just a horrible, disgraceful piece of human garbage, an insult before god, just to spite me into doing this fucking cacophony of digital diarrhea which you call a mission. There is no excuse for this sub human trash to be within a 500 meter radius of any vehicle, and yet here he is, flying a helicopter, or, more appropriately, crashing a helicopter into the ground and into my soul.

I am seriously considering shutting off the PS2 and just going to bed, but I'm even scared of doing that, simply because I have full belief in Sea Goblin following me into my dreams and haunting me by repeatedly asking me if I know how to understand the distress signal sensor on my HUD.

I find no more joy in this game anymore. No more fun. No more challenge. It's not a video game anymore. It's fucking torture. Torture by repeatedly making me spend 6 fucking minutes holding down the throttle button and making me wish for the sweet release of death.

This is the Japanese's payback for the nukes, but instead of harming the body they're harming the soul.

>>183318812
This is why White Noise is the worst mission in 5, no Four Horsemen. Four Horsemen is a fucking breeze.

>>183318812
I'm too new to this general to know if this is pasta or not.

>>183318812
I've never had that much of a problem with that mission.

>>183318891
Four horsemen was fucking pisscakes, dude. I fucked up once and it was because I had the A10 and was slow as fuck

>>183318812
do it for the peacenik man

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>>183318717
Neither of those even come close to Jewel Box.

>>183319567
This is indisputable fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwDFd6E-CM0&t

>>183316968
Fun fact: I maintained that hurricane before that sortie.

>>183320002
Proof?

>>183318812
What
Is this about the mission where you need to find Nagase?
What was difficult in it?

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>>183320135
I don't have any original pictures but here is a picture of MK356's engine just after we tried to fix the engine timing. It's from June 2015 which was when I did a small internship.

>>183320662
Based.

>>183320757
It was great fun. It was shortly before I went to the US to do an aeronautics degree at ERAU.

>>183320002
>>183320662
>>183321140
You're helping keep history alive, buddy.

>>183318891
Four Horsemen is actually super easy though, really. And it's got a great track!

>>183323275
That's what I'm saying, after the vaguely tricky first part of the mission it's a cakewalk.

Did thunder do the AC3 stream?

>>183323780
You mean his Ace Linguist stream?

>>183323875
Oh, I missed it?

>>183323982
Nah, I don't believe he's done it yet.
>I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THIS GODDAMN MOONSPEAK! FUCK THIS, I'M GOING BACK TO MECHWARRIOR

It's going to be interesting.

So.... is there any way to get the AC6 DLC by non-XBOX Live means?

>>183324274
No.

>>183324110
>inb4 val turns out to be a secret weeb and fluent in japspeak.

>>183324616
This would not surprise me in the slightest.

>>183324616
>a bostonian weeaboo that listens to redneck music

Truly an enigma

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>>183328098
I've been more in NWOBHM and Psych/hard rock recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFyEjUXGE2I

>>183329052
That's not even dad rock, that's like grandad rock. Did you get lost on your way to /mu/ grandpa?

>>183329360
Thunder must be one of those le born in the wrong generation types. Just look at what he chose for a planefu

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I TRIED SO HARD
AND GOT SO FARRRRR

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>>183330831
If those wings were a little less trapezoidal and if the fuselage was shorter in general, I'd like the Widow more. YF-22's compact aesthetic wins out for me.

>>183329052
>Val says, as he puts in his dentures and spins up the ol' Gramophone.
>'Those little shits don't know what real music is! I'll show them!'

>>183331215
>wanting some short stubby little manlet of a fighter
w e w

Trying to unlock Mission Mode/Select in AC3 by getting all the endings. Can anyone confirm that it'll unlock if runs are completed on different difficulties? I did my first route on Normal but I was planning on doing the rest n Hard.

>>183250852
Next OP, remember to add this to the copypaste.

>>183331457
But I listen to modern music as well.

>>183333451
Name three bands.

>>183333672
Maroon 5
Coldplay
Kid Rock

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>>183334163

>>183332838
Will do buddy.
Either that or someone put it in the Mega.

>>183334291
I was trying to set up a joke.
https://youtu.be/A3you-jsZKo?t=89

>>183334689
That was such a good show.

>>183334881
It sure was. I remember back when I must have been 7 or 8 watching the bit where Ryan smashes the light on Drew's desk.

>>183333672
Angry Johnny And The Killbillies
Old Crow Medicine Show
Gangstagrass


Special mention to Go 2, Fastway, Dave Rodgers, and the Edo Boys.

You just know Thunder sat around for the last 22 minutes trying to think of as many obscure bands as he could.

>>183334689
Colin was the best person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmnZ9HZTHjw

>>183336068
>Narrate
My brother in Christ.

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>>183335814
I was going through bands and seeing when they were formed. Those were the three bands I had the most songs from and formed the most recently.

>>183336562
Holy fuck pick a single goddamn genre and stick with it you weirdo.

>>183336562
Now show the other two bands you mentioned.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO_zXuOQy6A
Multishot railgun salvos.

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>>183337040
Good. Now upscale it twenty times and outfit it with a massive thermobaric warhead.

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>>183337010
Ok? I've streamed most of these at one time or another.

>>183337298
>Geto Boys
>Hall & Oates
>Gerry Rafferty
Good taste tho.

>>183337251
>Railgun
>warheads
Are you dumb

>>183336068
This was one of the best bits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9HO3UAVc10

>>183337830
Can you not put a warhead on a railgun round? I was just memeing about Stonehenge but now I'm curious. Would the electromagnetic stuff blow the round inside the barrel?

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>>183337010
>>183337298
And there. Done.

You can google the eurobeat on your own.

>>183337830
You can't have a weapon to surpass Metal Gear without first having Metal Gear.

>>183338301
>>183337298
>>183336562
This is why I liked the music streams. Not all of it was good, but you'd damn sure hear stuff you hadn't before.

Someone else should take a random screenshot of their music playlist. I'm interested in where /aceg/s musical taste runs.

>>183338904
This is veering into blogposting.

>>183338301
>>183337298
>>183336562
>Not a single ace combat song.

>>183338973
Wouldn't be a bad idea to post music to fly to.

>>183339023
Those are all on CD in my car.

>>183338973
This. The non-vidya aircraft discussion is already pushing it. Let's not turn into /ksg/ and /lisg/ where we talk about what we had for lunch.

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>>183339297
For lunch today I had nuggets.

>>183338301
If you don't do an AC stream, can we have a comfy stream? It's been forever.

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>>183338904
Does part of a phone playlist count?

>>183339919
Maybe tomorrow. Ask your mother.

>>183340159
i could do it, but i dont know what to exactly to stream

>>183340607
Wow rude.
Its true though

>>183340776
>Perfectly good plane
>insufferable fanbase

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Speaking of music, how the fuck does Chopper relax to angsty music like Blurry anyway? Not sure if Puddle of Mudd are generally that way, but it's like listening to Linkin Park to relax. Such emotional and desperate-sounding music, how do you relax to that?

Maybe if AC5 gets an HD version or something then they'll change it to something actually relaxing, maybe Cocteau Twins! Although I doubt that the royalties for Puddle of Mudd songs are very costly, considering the state of the band.

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>>183341202
I find that nu-metal kind of music from the early 2000's very comfy. It could just be the nostalgia talking though.
Intense music can be relaxing to listen to.

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>>183341202
you'd be surprised what music some people can find relaxing.

>>183273430
>Gameplay
6
>Story
Zero
>Music
4 (Though Zero is close)
>Atmosphere
Zero
>Supporting Characters
Zero

>>183341584
>>183341775
Well yeah, there's all kinds of tastes of course!

I like that sound too. (Unless it's Limp Bizkit because they're not angsty, but silly)
I'm sure it exists today still but it's a very defining sound of the 00's. That and the whole emo thing.

It's too emotional for me to relax to, and it's not my go-to genre at all, but I do quite like it when I'm feeling a bit angsty myself! And of course, it is the defining sound of AMVs and probably every (back then) 12-year-olds online gaming experience. One of those things I'll never stop liking probably.

>>183342503
well you see that's just it. Chopper never grew out of his angsty rebel teen phase.

>>183342738
I wouldn't call Chopper angsty, he's just goofy. Nagase, however...

>>183342832
Hamilton and Bernitz completely monopolize angst in AC5.

>>183342738
more like chopper never had an angsty phase
chopper is what you have when a really enthusiastic 12 year old goes straight into adulthood

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>>183342881
Obligatory

>>183343089
Long Live Belka.

Just realized, when wardog was being accused of Hoffnunging a college, wouldn't their planes have nose footage that would dispute that or do most planes not record that?

>>183344579
that's something that could easily be spoofed/swapped out before or during the gathering of evidence.

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Dumping a few interesting/unique aircraft pics I have

First is an inflatable F-16 dummy

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>>183346057
An F-15I without CFTs

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>>183346234
F-16 in the same radar-absorbing paint used on the F-35, apparently to be applied to all wild weasel F-16s.

>>183346057
Looks like a videogame model with extremely low texture resolution

Why are you able to buy the same craft more than once in AC5? My first time playing.

>>183346746
One for you, three for your wingmen.

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>>183346558
F-35 in the paint scheme of VFA-101 Grim Reapers

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>>183346057
>inflatable F-16 dummy

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>>183346783
Low-Observable Asymmetric Nozzle, one of several JSF technologies tested on the F-16.

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>>183347042
Which if it were combined with the diverterless intake and >>183346558 paint, I'm curious how small the F-16's RCS could possibly get.

>>183346783
On the whole, it seems like the USN still allows for a fair bit of individuality when it comes to squadron insignias being painted on planes.
The USAF don't seem to go for the big colourful squadron insignias as much, from what I've seen.

>>183346057

L-lewd!

>>183347278
That single vertical stabilizer might be a problem. there's a reason that all stealth jets so far have been either tailless or had canted twins.

>>183346773
Ah, cool.

>>183347418
Don't forget the generally unstealthy airframe, with all those curves and panel gaps.

>>183346862
Were these used like a scarecrow of sorts or are these props for propaganda photography or what?

Which game has the best music and which one has the worst?

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>>183347278
Something more Ace Combat related, the F-15I that served as inspiration for Pixy's F-15.

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>>183347714
A group shot of the USAF sometime in the late 50s. Three aircraft in this image are still in service today.

>>183347685
3
5

>>183347620
part of an operation to trick german intelligence before normandy, it was one of the largest diversions in history
They even got Patton to lead the fake "army"

>>183347620
dummies have many tactical applications, mainly counter intel though.

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>>183347857
Early F/A-18Es refueling

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>>183348008
Boeing Model 908-909 proposed LWF entry

>>183348008
this feels like some kind of troll science thing. like the two planes keep refueling eachother in turn to effectively double their fuel efficiency.

Am I pleb for almost exclusively playing with the camera behind the plane instead of cockpit?

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>>183348196
And I'll end the dump with a few odd F-16 paint schemes

>>183348545
No, third person view is the best way to play Ace Combat, since its an over the top arcade game.
Sims require cockpit mode.

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>>183348616

>>183348545
it's all personal preference really.

>>183348545
I was under the impression that most people play that way.

I only play in cockpit view though. It's more immersive, and you get the full HUD! I get really confused when I play in third-person now because the HUD is more minimalistic there.

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>>183348829

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>>183349007
And last one for tonight, good night buddies

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sleep tight buddy

>>183349530
>>183349189
fugg :DD

>>183349530
tfw no Mauser C96

>>183348545
I play in 3rd person probably 90% of the time.

>>183349189
Nice dump, sleep well buddy.

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post superior bombers

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>>183351689

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AC7 will be the crappiest AC game ever if Bamco don't include puchis

>183352125
fuck off

>>183346057
So a pool viper?

>>183346057
Glad to see that is still happening.

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>>183354378
comfy