/pso2g/ - Phantasy Star Online 2 General #1297

1st for gunner.

>>182654768
>stinky thread
barf

>>182654768
>bow down
>class can't equip a bow natively
???????

>>182655208
Maybe it's bow down as in bow is down and out because of nerfs

whatever happened to hartmann, anyway

I finished 177-C but didn't get my campaign rewards. What's up with that?

>>182655615
you might be onto something

>>182655859
The rewards went out before they actually announced the campaign if you had it done already, are you sure you didn't collect them already?

>>182656153
Oh that's probably the case then.

>>182656213
Easy way to tell is to count your phantom emblems. You get 1 for beating ep4 story, 1 for beating phaleg (title), 1 for beating deus esca gracia (title) and then this campaign gave a 4th one.

>>182654768
>this musk smell
ewww

>>182657247
thought I was in the tesla bashing thread for a second

>>182657247
braaaaaaaap

Returning player, have lvl23 char on ship 4. Should I just make a new char on ship 2?

>>182658127
if you want to play with the degenerates here, remake on 2

if you want to just play and mind your own business and not fail eqs, stay on ship 4

>>182658178
>logs in 10 minutes after eq on ship 2
>fails eq
>fucking ship 2
>logs in 1 hour before eq on ship 4
>wins eq
>master race

>>182658127
>Should I just make a new char on ship 2?
Yes, there's more players there, which means we're more able to help you.

>playing on ship 2
>never failed any EQ

never understood this meme

>>182658958
it's just some EPIC SHIP WARS XDDDD shit because everyone feels need to validate their decision somehow

Pso2es costumes when?

Reminder that shit 2 can't even clear the story quest.

>>182659768
I already did. I beat Phaleg, as well.

>>182659756
weapono badge please

>>182660232
You don't represent the ship. It was said in the livestream that story easy mode was mainly implemented for ship 2.

>>182660391
>You don't represent the ship.
Okay, then ship 4 can't clear it either. After all, it's not a 100% clear rate.

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>>182660459
>it's not a 100% clear rate
Maybe on shit 2

>>182660563
It's not 100% on any ship, retard. There's new players that haven't even touched it.

>>182660648
>There's new players
Maybe on shit 2. Ship 4 is the hardcore ship.

>>182660752
So in other words, nobody should ever join ship 4 ever again and ship 2 remains the masterrace? Wow, that was easy.

>>182660919
Yes, you can have all the pso2g shitters.

>>182661079
And actually make friends too? Nice, glad we had this talk.

>>182661151
I rather not fail eqs than have shitter "friends"

>>182661209
>i don't need friends.........
>all i need are virtual drops that are simple to get.........
So this is why nobody goes to ship 4...

>>182661209
ok kirito

>>182661369
>muh internet friends
They'll all leave you sooner or later and you'll be left alone with no friends nor drops, having to look for friends in fucking pso2g where hu/br and uncharged zanverse are acceptable.
At least I have my drops.

>>182662147
>They'll all leave you sooner or later
spoken like a true edgelord, holy shit lmao

>At least I have my drops.
and your retardation shines here
PSO2 is actually going to die, faster than the hypothetical situation of friends leaving you
holy shit, ship 4 really is the shitter ship

where do I dl the basic patch now? looks like agrafag is dead

>>182662690
http://pso2.acf.me.uk/Manual/

>>182662147
will you bitter ship 2 autists stop trying to pose as ship 4 players to make us look bad? thanks

>>182662767
>ship 4 so bad they're disowning their own players
LMAO

>>182662147
oooooh everybody hurts

>>182662501
>spoken like a true edgelord, holy shit lmao
He's not wrong though. Once people stop playing the game they'll always stop talking to everyone they played with.

>>182663113
Do you honestly think PSO2 is the only common interest anyone playing this game will ever have, ever?

>>182663212
It's what happens in every gaming community. Most people don't value internet friendships and drop their friend circle the moment they're done with the corresponding game.

>>182663417
>Most people
If you cannot say with complete confidence that this happens to everyone, then your argument is invalid.

>>182663650
>If something happens 99% of the time it's invalid because it's not 100%

>>182663964
>the chance is definitely 99% haha!!!
You're really reaching on this.

For the love of god, I hope they stop putting mobbing sections in EQs.

Post your crush!

>>182664492
Would you rather have rideroid racing?

>>182664492
Why? It promotes not just bringing boss killers to everything.

>>182668389
No one gears up and plays a good mobbing class to make the mobbing section of boss EQs go by 20 seconds faster

>>182668389
This is a pretty retarded point when the best boss killer also does a great job mobbing. One Te for buffs is all you need for support.

>>182668881
>>182669050
Br/Hu mobs better than Fi/Hu, and a few can help yamato runs go way faster.

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>>182669206
>Br/Hu mobs better than Fi/Hu
This is what brhues actually believe.

>>182669206
Might as well go Su instead.

So... are we not getting a summer event because of Ep5's release?

>>182669543
beach wars is in august like it always is

>>182669607
Oh, okay.

I just want an excuse to wear a swimsuit, even though I hang out with all of two people.

>>182669684
Fuck off slut.

>>182669684
just proudly be a slut in the lobby, afk in a pose.

>>182669302
Br/Hu is literally a mobbing class with wide as fuck hitboxes you retard

>>182669983
And it still loses to Fi/Hu, isn't that sad?

>>182670203
No, it doesn't. Are you high or just retarded?

Is it bad to be Fo/Te as a Cast?

>>182669983
Except that it's not even the best mobbing class so why the fuck bring it up when you're talking about making runs go faster. Summoner is straight up better in almost every aspect including mobbing even fighter isn't even that far behind in terms of mobbing if you're comparing shitty fighters to decent bravers. Fuck your katanas.

>>182670435
who the fuck cares about summoner right now we're discussing br/hu and fi/hu, go back to fucking your dog

I spent my Qliphad fuses on katana instead of a real class so I could make the mobbing section of deus esca go by 10 seconds faster

>>182670505
Yeah, not like they were talking about bringing more than only bosskillers to EQs with mobbing sections. Learn to fucking read.

>tfw 120 fuses
>Have to choose between qli sword or qli takt
The PP regen sounds from the takt sounds appealing but the swords peefect for hero since i missed out on the gyx train

>>182670369
Not really. You could do a bit better as a Newman or Dewman, but nobody sane is going to rag on you for it.

>>182670750
why the fuck are you still replying, we changed the subject to br/hu and fi/hu
stop trying to bring your bestiality everywhere

>>182670360
Yeah it's like double saber and knux sc0 doesn't exist, right? get your head out of your ass

>>182670578
Good work anon.

>>182670813
It's pretty sad how the Qliphad takt has a better potential than the 14* takt. Who the hell thought putting the 14* takt in the drop table was a good idea?

>>182670937
yeah it's like kanran, Sakura Endo, guren and Katana Combat finish doesn't exist, right? get your head out of your ass

>>182670956
I thought people were saying that rykros takt was better because of the (seemingly auto pet sympathy reqs while in alter ego) because you didnt have to worry about it not procing or something

>>182670868
>this desperate to justify playing a shit class with no real strengths
Proud of you.

>>182671075
Are you the guy from the other day saying kanran was still a good PA? Episode 2 was years ago dude

>>182671250
are you the guy from the other day unable to distinguish "ok" from "good" using contextual clues?
honest question, is english not your first language?
either way, the context was that the dps was ok (read: servicable). kanran is a good PA for the utility it gives.

>>182671075
>kanran
Stay in SH.
>Combat finish
Oh good, 2 chaos riser's worth of damage.

>>182671228
reminder every class is shit compared to summoner!!!!

>>182671436
>proven by dictionary that "ok" and "good" are synonymous
>accuses others of not being native speakers

>>182671470
>>kanran
>Stay in SH.
confirmed for an XH block shitter

>>Combat finish
>Oh good, 2 chaos riser's worth of damage.
FURTHER confirmed, it's way too easy

>>182671436
There is no utility kanran gives that wouldn't be better off just doing more damage with a real class/PA

>>182671075
>Sakura endo
>PA with fuck all for range
lmao
>katana combat
>a skill you can only activate once or twice per yamato eq
o i am laffin
meanwhile double saber is active pretty much constantly and has a massive pull with chaos riser and hurricane sender, it's not even a fucking contest

Well you're both fucking idiots. Everyone knows Hunter is the most powerful class in every EQ.

>>182671656
>>proven by dictionary that "ok" and "good" are synonymous
we already went over this because "favor" was also synonymous with ok--the point being that you need to use context clues to discern his original intonation with the word "ok"
which you failed to do, consistently
this is further supported by the fact that using synonyms brings you words that aren't always 1:1 accurate with the word you're looking for, as well as the fact that he literally defined what he meant by "ok" two posts later

>>182671747
>There is no utility kanran gives that wouldn't be better off just doing more damage with a real class/PA
It knocks down enemies, deals multiple hits which is ideal for Katana combat, and does damage that is acceptable for said utility.

>>182672038
>context
Says the guy who couldn't pick up the context clue of another person calling something shit.

An opinon that doesn't need to discern between "ok" and "good". You're missing context clues everywhere. If you're calling something shit "ok" and "good" might as well be synonymous.

>>182671931
Hu is better than Br for XH mobbing.

>>182672219
26k damage is not acceptable in a world where Fighter can do 100k chaos risers

>>182672240
>If you're calling something shit "ok" and "good" might as well be synonymous.

How so?

>>182672240
>Says the guy who couldn't pick up the context clue of another person calling something shit.
you proceeded to give your stance of calling it shit after deciding to preform semantics of the DPS being "good". you also somehow believed that damage is everything, which is also completely wrong.

>If you're calling something shit "ok" and "good" might as well be synonymous.
he literally just called it the dps portion of kanran "ok". he didn't talk about the quality of the pa itself.

>>182672324
Damage is not the only thing the PA provides, I literally provided 3 points. Stop zooming in on damage being the only thing that exists.

>>182672324
You're not getting it, it knocks down enemies and builds kc hits really really fast. All while fighters have to go though the trouble of using chaos riser's and maybe build back gear.

>>182672505
Basically imagine you hate someone and you know he is a huge fucking ass. Someone calls him an ok person, someone else calls him a good person. You would hate those two faggots about the same since you know HE IS FUCKING SHIT, and any differences between the two don't matter.
>>182672539
It's not about PA itself. It's about DPS being SHIT

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>he doesn't play Braver

>>182672720
>It's about DPS being SHIT
The dps is acceptable for the utility it provides--especially since its large radius means you can catch a large amount of enemies in it--which is magnified when you use Katana Combat. DPS is more than just straight numbers, stop being retarded.

>>182672872
You mean except when compared to let's say Nova Strike the DPS is indeed shit and Kanran doesn't have nearly enough range advantage to justify it.

>>182672681
And I'm saying those points don't matter because Fighter is shitting out chaos risers for 4x more damage
>>182672698
>knocks down
Who cares
>builds KC
Ok sure but why does that matter when KC release is only two chaos risers worth of damage, something Fighter can borderline spam.

>>182672872
>dps is more than just straight numbers
Except that's what dps is? It's literally the numerical value of the damage you do per second as an average.

>>182673242
Now you can see why kanran is 'ok'!

>>182672986
I honestly don't know how many times I have to repeat this--DPS is more than just straight numbers. For example, I can easily say that Nova Strike is shit DPS when compared to Zanverse-enhanced Maron Strike. This does not, however, mean that Nova Strike does shit DPS.
>and Kanran doesn't have nearly enough range advantage to justify it.
Yes it does. The range is quite wide.

>And I'm saying those points don't matter because Fighter is shitting out chaos risers for 4x more damage
Which has less utility than Kanran, as I've stated.

>>knocks down
>Who cares
It puts enemies in a state in which they can't attack, which allows your allies to have an easier time doing damage--as well as ensuring they can't get hit.

>Ok sure but why does that matter when KC release is only two chaos risers worth of damage, something Fighter can borderline spam
Its radius is an even wider one than Kanran, has bigger than two chaos risers worth of damage due to Combat JA and the FInish boost and has a cooldown of about a minute.

>>182673242
You're correct--I was too hasty when saying this. What's more accurate is to say that damage isn't everything.

>talking about mobbing and melee classes in the same breath

>>182673690
uh but we're typing????

>>182673690
I'm more flabbergasted that people are arguing so much over mobbing which doesn't matter in the slightest.

>>182673561
>Yes it does. The range is quite wide.
Nope. Nova Strike buffed range is a bit shorter than Kanran. It also does much more DPS. I am here for you comparing the PA to its closest competitor, a circular AoE PA with similar range, except doing like double the DPS without draining your PP as much.

>>182673878
>a majority of the game doesn't matter
thanks ship 10

>>182673970
>Nope. Nova Strike buffed range is a bit shorter than Kanran.
Nova strike's range is dependent on your gear. Kanran will not only have its max range from the start and is faster, but--as I've stated countless times--kanran is used for more than just the damage. The argument has always been that the damage is acceptable for what it provides.

>>182674342
>Nova strike's range is dependent on your gear.
That's completely untrue though? You don't even use anything but some quick PA for gear regain when your gear is empty. Are you still in EP2?

>>182674493
Unfortunately, this doesn't remove the fact that it's slower than Kanran and still provides less utility, especially since you can move around with Kanran's JA charge to change its radius if needed. Since Nova Stirke's speed--and thus, max range--is half-tied to your gear and you need to waste time building it up, that doesn't help your case much.

Why does this general have so many retards who make retarded gameplay decisions yet feel the need justify it to everyone?

>>182674840
>Unfortunately, this doesn't remove the fact that it's slower than Kanran
It's slower than kanran because it does way more damage.
>less utility
Knocking enemies down isn't proper utility when flinch is just as good. You can also regain whole lot of PP while charging it. It has fully guard protected charge and super armor after.
>pecially since you can move around with Kanran's JA charge to change its radius if needed
Why would you need to nerf your radius?
>Since Nova Stirke's speed--and thus, max range--is half-tied to your gear and you need to waste time building it up, that doesn't help your case much.
Do you even play Hunter? You spend 95% of the time in max gear or immediately gaining max gear upon the very first attack on the enemy.

>>182675351
I'd prefer shitposting to this, I'm pretty sure the katana defenders are all serious

>>182675420
>It's slower than kanran because it does way more damage.
Which isn't the only thing that matters, as I've stated multiple times.

>flinch is just as good
Knockdown is longer and is easily the better of the two "statuses".

>It has fully guard protected charge and super armor after.
Not the utility I was referring to, but this is still comparable to Kanran: you can guard cancel the charge and the endlag into a JG, which is arguably the second best defensive option Braver has due to the gear (first being KC).

>nerf your radius?
Your radius is standard throughout. Though, to be fair, I guess "change" is ambiguous if you haven't seen Kanran--a more easy to understand word would be "shift".

>You spend 95% of the time in max gear or immediately gaining max gear upon the very first attack on the enemy.
What PA for gear gain is faster than two basic attacks into kanran for braver?

>>182676248
One sonic arrow is enough.

>>182676382
That's sort of dependent on enemy hitboxes, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one.

>>182676543
Not him but it's really not. I've never had sonic arrow not give max gear instantly.

>>182676248
>Knockdown is longer and is easily the better of the two "statuses".
But it doesn't matter. If the enemies can even flinch or get knocked down then Nova will already kill them. It doesn't matter in normal gameplay, just no.
>Not the utility I was referring to, but this is still comparable to Kanran: you can guard cancel the charge and the endlag into a JG, which is arguably the second best defensive option Braver has due to the gear (first being KC).
It's not comparable. Hunter can cancel endlag and charge all the same, except the charge in itself contains guard frames so you don't need to break the PA while regaining 10PP per attack that hits you.
>Your radius is standard throughout. Though, to be fair, I guess "change" is ambiguous if you haven't seen Kanran--a more easy to understand word would be "shift".
Just stop.
>What PA for gear gain is faster than two basic attacks into kanran for braver?
A sonic arrow or one normal attack that has the radius of Guren finisher and hits 10 enemies? It doesn't even matter because you are on max gear in most cases.

>>182676543
If you're in a situation where nova strike is a better option than other PAs you're pretty much guaranteed to get full gear with one sonic arrow.

>>182676746
You can max out your gear on a single enemy with a with a buffed dash attack and a single sonic arrow with hunter gear boost 1...

>stinky melees arguing which class stinks the most
Fuck off already

>>182676634
>If the enemies can even flinch or get knocked down then Nova will already kill them.
What does this have to do with flinch being outclassed by knockdown? You can't bring up a point and then say that "it doesn't matter" later.

>It's not comparable. Hunter can cancel endlag and charge all the same, except the charge in itself contains guard frames so you don't need to break the PA while regaining 10PP per attack that hits you.

They can cancel endlag and charge all the time, yes, but their JG gives fuck all in comparison to Braver's JG with gear up. This is also rendered moot if you're using kanran to build hits during Katana Combat, as you're invincible during this.


>Just stop.
???????
You've already demonstrated you can't discern context clues, so I'm making the term clearer for you. I'm helping you to understand my meaning, as you didn't get it first glance.

>A sonic arrow or one normal attack that has the radius of Guren finisher and hits 10 enemies? It doesn't even matter because you are on max gear in most cases
Very well, carry on.

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>>182677498
brap brap senpai

>>182677039
I wasn't that sure honestly because I made a habit out of sac biting every spawn.

>>182677541
>What does this have to do with flinch being outclassed by knockdown? You can't bring up a point and then say that "it doesn't matter" later.
You brought that point though. I have been telling you that knockdown barely matters the entire time.
>but their JG gives fuck all in comparison to Braver's JG with gear up
Have you seen JGSA?
>This is also rendered moot if you're using kanran to build hits during Katana Combat, as you're invincible during this.
You also don't get sweet HP and PP from guarding. I would say it's a pretty big point if one PA is literally only used as a crutch for one cooldown ability.
>You've already demonstrated you can't discern context clues, so I'm making the term clearer for you. I'm helping you to understand my meaning, as you didn't get it first glance.
I am telling you to stop because you're a complete retard, you can move with both PAs, in fact Nova charge is more flexible due to guard frames and lack of Just Charge. You're using retarded terms for what's something basic and very easy to understand, and what's funnier the terms are just wrong. RADIUS OF THE PA DOESN'T CHANGE BECAUSE YOU MOVED, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT "RADIUS" MEANS? Protip: it's not area of effect, its length from the middle of circle to any of the points on the circumference.

You barely play the game as it's shown from your lack of understanding. You didn't know that gear doesn't affect Nova Strike's range, how much actually gear gathering matters for Sword Hunter, probably don't know shit about Sonic Arrow JG ring, you didn't know when you can cancel Nova or probably even that Charge Parrying exists, or even how the same applies to both PAs when it comes to cancelling.

>>182678126
>>182677541
Both of your classes are worse than Fighter

>>182678237
No shit.

>14*less Fighters bragging about their chaos riser damage
>14* ds users btfo'd every fi shitter ds tricks

enjoy being rareless, shitter :^)

>>182678126
>You brought that point though. I have been telling you that knockdown barely matters the entire time.
Knockdown still matters. Flinch matters less.

>Have you seen JGSA?
You obtain more of a bonus with Katana Gear. Once again, damage isn't everything.

>You also don't get sweet HP and PP from guarding.
I assume you mean Healing Guard when talking about HP from guarding?
You do gain PP from JG from hunter, but you only gain four less from JGing with Braver due to Counter Bonus. Your PP recovery rate is also boosted during Braver Gear.

>I am telling you to stop because you're a complete retard, you can move with both PAs, in fact Nova charge is more flexible due to guard frames and lack of Just Charge. You're using retarded terms for what's something basic and very easy to understand, and what's funnier the terms are just wrong. RADIUS OF THE PA DOESN'T CHANGE BECAUSE YOU MOVED, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT "RADIUS" MEANS? Protip: it's not area of effect, its length from the middle of circle to any of the points on the circumference.

Do you know why I said shift in my clarification? Because you literally move the radius from one point to another. That's what shifting is. That's why I clarified it for you because--once again--you can't infer context clues in normal language which is what started this whole affair. Neither of them are more flexible either, as we've already discussed with the cancels and the rewards you get from both.
But yes, you were right--you can move with both, I misremembered that detail.

>>182679291
>Braver Gear
Braver's gear, whatever

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>>182677715
rappies are disgusting

>>182679291
>Knockdown still matters. Flinch matters less.
It doesn't
>You obtain more of a bonus with Katana Gear. Once again, damage isn't everything.
You obtain about the same bonus depends on circumstances. There is also one more advantage to Hunter JG you probably won't get.
>You do gain PP from JG from hunter, but you only gain four less from JGing with Braver due to Counter Bonus. Your PP recovery rate is also boosted during Braver Gear.
Hello? You don't get to JG during combat escape, more than that you don't get to JG while performing a PA. You get all that shit without even dropping the PA charge.
>Because you literally move the radius from one point to another.
Its about as erroneous to say as shifting the Sword's length. Radius can mean a line in geometry, but hey there are no lines anywhere, just a fucking PA, so you don't really get to say you shift some lines. Radius here is the length.

Of course I can't infer from context when the context in itself is wrong. Don't expect to use the wrong language and the mess up context because you don't remember the EXTREMELY BASIC FACT, that's the ability to move while charging Sword PAs (let's be honest, you don't know shit), and then blame someone else for not getting you. I would say it's a compliment for you that my first thought wasn't that the other poster is a humongous retard who doesn't even know you can move while charging Nova Strike and instead opted for whatever else.

I hope everyone learned their lesson not to bother arguing with katanafags.

>>182679980
>It doesn't
Yes, it does. We've already discussed this, since knockdown lasts longer.

>You obtain about the same bonus depends on circumstances.
The crit bonus and the PP recovery rate? I highly doubt that.
I also assume you're talking about All Guard for the hunter JG bonus, but that's not really that important of a difference unless you're unable to tell what direction an attack is coming from.
>Hello? You don't get to JG during combat escape,
We're not talking about JG during Combat escape. Either way, Katana Gear persists through Combat Escape.

>Its about as erroneous to say as shifting the Sword's length.
That is not erroneous. To shift is to change something's position. You can change the position of something's length just fine--the length is a tangible thing that you can move.

>Of course I can't infer from context when the context in itself is wrong.
The context itself has been correct already and countless times. This is why you were already proven wrong with the distinction between "ok" and "good" when this all started. I honestly don't know why you're the only one that can't understand this, but I don't really care too much.

Where's the character file for the caseal with blue tattoos and フウリンカ・ヘッド?

>>182681418
>the length is a tangible thing that you can move.
Touching on this briefly since you can't understand words, shifts can apply to intangible things as well. You can't seem to understand these words, so I'd rather not have you think that the words after those hyphens were the standard definition.

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Calm down, faggots.
Everyone knows FiHus chaos riser blows everyone the fuck out if there's is a ton of mobs around you to keep gear up otherwise guren and se0 spamming wins

Also shunka ftw

>>182679725
>make a nich storage that not everyone needs but would be helpful for those that would
>jew the fuck out of it so hard that no one wants to use it
bravo shitga

>Arguing that katana does more mobbing DPS than DS

>>182682284
>arguing that you're NOT gay

Did someone say Chaos Riser?
https://twitter.com/pso2_madcat/status/884714590570926080

The problem with chaos riser is that it depends on the rest of your MPA not being as competent as you are. If they are, you won't get enough mobs into your attack and you'll have to recover your DS gear later.

>>182681418
>Yes, it does. We've already discussed this, since knockdown lasts longer.
It doesn't matter. Knockdown very rarely works on meaty enemies.
>The crit bonus and the PP recovery rate? I highly doubt that.
Crit bonus barely matters unless you're using a 13* with critical damage potential. We're not talking about PP recovery rate but PP recovered during counter.
>I also assume you're talking about All Guard for the hunter JG bonus, but that's not really that important of a difference unless you're unable to tell what direction an attack is coming from.
You mean like the relevant mobbing situations where you throw yourself in the middle of a pack of enemies because you're using a PA with circular radius either way and attacks are coming from all directions?
Doesn't even matter because the biggest point is that Nova Strike has a big period of charge time where you automatically guard against all attacks while recovering PP per attack and then a full period of super armor until the end of PA. That's the magical utility and none of it on cooldown. Stop trying to bring Combat Escape as if it's supposed to be always on.
>That is not erroneous.
There is one meaning to length that actually relates to an object with position, and you can't use it with a Sword, especially in this context. Values don't have positions.
>The context itself has been correct already and countless times
The context has been corrected after the fact and after you've have already boasted about how you have to explain the information you've failed to pass along because you used the wrong terminology and based your context on knowledge which was false. That's why I told you to stop, because you were talking out of your ass and feeling proud about getting things wrong. You completely fail at both correct wording of the problem, conveying the proper meaning, and even the entire point in itself because you keep saying falsehoods.

>>182682816
It's almost as if mobbing doesn't fucking matter because everything melts instantly so playing certain things that suck at bossing but are good at mobbing is retarded.

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didnt think fi was so fun

>>182683113
I mean, if you used most of your DS gear on a Chaos Riser without being able to recover it at the same time, you'd have to waste time recovering gear during next set of mobs (or a boss). I'd rather just SC0 through everything.

Reminder to buy your returners for that all atk unit set that you NEED for hero on ep5.
Buy them NOW, before they blow up in prices. They're cheap now, it's a steal.

>>182683272
It's not about what's FUN it's about what's GOOD. I had fun playing bow braver but Sega doesn't want me to play it any more.

>>182682916
>It doesn't matter. Knockdown very rarely works on meaty enemies.
If it doesn't matter, then flinch somehow doesn't matter. What's your point, exactly?

>Crit bonus barely matters unless you're using a 13* with critical damage potential.
Crits on about half your attacks (without any modifiers) is more damage which is more DPS. Yes, it does matter.
>We're not talking about PP recovery rate but PP recovered during counter.
PP recovery rate was brought up because it's tied to Katana Gear and is a lasting effect. This is still important.

>You mean like the relevant mobbing situations where you throw yourself in the middle of a pack of enemies because you're using a PA with circular radius either way and attacks are coming from all directions?
Kanran knocks down mobs, so this isn't a problem. You already said your circular radius attack flinches enemies, so I fail to see how All Guard would be relevant in this situation.

>Stop trying to bring Combat Escape as if it's supposed to be always on.

I'm not doing that. As a matter of fact, I literally said
>We're not talking about JG during Combat escape
I know you can't read, but at least make more of an effort next time.

>The context has been corrected after the fact and after you've have already boasted about how you have to explain the information you've failed to pass along because you used the wrong terminology and based your context on knowledge which was false.
The terminology was already correct. As I've said before, this was supported by the fact that everyone but you knew the difference between "ok" and "good". Consequently, I constantly have to dumb things down for you to understand (change and shift), but it is what it is.

>wasting time and money on hero when gunner, katana and fi are going to destroy everything
Yes. Buy all my shit :^)

>>182684232
word

>>182683956
>If it doesn't matter, then flinch somehow doesn't matter.
Yes, in the end they both don't matter as much as you would want them.
>Crits on about half your attacks (without any modifiers) .
Critical hit raises your damage from the average 98.5% of your damage to 100%. That's the extend of critical hits mattering. You're grasping at absolute straws here.
>PP recovery rate was brought up because it's tied to Katana Gear
We're discussing PAs, do I want to bring the fact than Kanran is 25PP so Braver needs way more PP recovery than that if he wants to get spammy with it? Or that Hunter has HUGE normals that give him massive PP recovery on many enemies.
>Kanran knocks down mobs, so this isn't a problem.
Are you serious? Do you even play the game. Tons of mobs in the game don't react to flinching and stop only on part break, and there are situations straight out of LQ like 2 minibosses being bunched up too.
You've brought Combat Escape into the fray before and that's a jab at it.
>The terminology was already correct
You're stupid enough not to get when you're being an idiot and not everyone around you. You keep botching context by pretending that "good" and "ok" aren't synonymous when you're trying to call something shit and you actually couldn't care less. You refer to radius which is most commonly used as a measure of length, and get angry when people don't immediately read it that you actually meant changing the coordinates of the center of the circle while context suggest it can't be that since that would apply to Nova too. Then you try to apply "shift" to it as if it would help, while the correct wording would be "you can move during Kanran's charge" or "you can shift the AoE a bit".

I am not interested in arguing with you anymore since it's plainly obvious that you both suck at Braver and don't actually play Hunter, or barely even know the game's content, sure fucking knockdown a bunch of Goldrahdas with your Kanran idiot.

>playing the same class as Lilith
FIGHTERS BTFO

>>182685739
FUCK

>>182685015
>Yes, in the end they both don't matter as much as you would want them.
Unfortunately, the purpose of comparing them was to determine which was better. Which we already have--it's knockdown.

>Critical hit raises your damage from the average 98.5% of your damage to 100%
Learn how damage variance works.

>Tons of mobs in the game don't react to flinching and stop only on part break,
And that's a minority. You're desperately grasping at straws.
>You've brought Combat Escape into the fray
Because it was relevant to Katana Combat.

>that whole autism paragraph
The context of the discussion was clear in that it meant "ok" as in "servicable for what it does".
Everyone else but you understood this immediately.
I'm sorry you can't read. I sincerely hope all Hunters aren't this illiterate, though. I'm glad you're at least saying shift is correct after saying it was wrong.

>I am not interested in arguing with you anymore
Thank you for admitting you're wrong, at least.
>sure fucking knockdown a bunch of Goldrahdas
And you can't do this? Are you a casual?

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>>182685739
it is literally impossible to recover from this

>>182685739
>>182685816
Fighter, Hero, and Summmoner will be played by Lilith
Stinky melees and furfags btfo

>>182685739
Why should anyone care about what this faggot plays?

>>182686157
because autism

I won't even bother giving (you)'s. I shouldn't be arguing with someone this retarded either way but it really drives me up the wall when someone just doesn't understand the beauty of mathematical formulas.

The thread is shit as it is.

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>>182685739
Stop it

>>182686319
http://4rt.info/psod/?4dBU4

Whoops

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>>182686428
>(that means okay not good)

>>182686528
>5% crit
hmm.....

>>182686319
>the beauty of mathematical formulas.
math's pretty fucking gay dude

>page 10
if this thread dies i'm making another toku thread god damn it

What are the best units for fighter that aren't Izanes?

>>182689678
Qliphad is superior to Izane if you're good at not getting hit.

The only fun Fighter weapon is Double Saber.

>>182689635
at least yours are creative, better that than making meme pictures.

Will Hero be good?

>>182690996
>at least yours are creative
y-you too

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https://youtu.be/DGMO6Vtd_YE

>>182691238
it'll either be complete fucking shit or gamebreakingly broken

>>182689678
You shouldn't be playing Fighter.

>>182689678
You shouldn't be playing Hunter.

>>182689678
Austere rear + arm and Qliphad leg is still the best unit set unless you really want extra ring slots.

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>>182691328
Luther is the only thing I'm looking forward to in this new episode.

wtb friends with 12* darker busters on es

Profound Darkness's final form will look like Xion. Calling it.

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>log on for the very first time as a new player
>finally get to the lobby
>there's this extra thicc lady role-playing with a shota who is licking her feet
>everyone in the the whole room are telling them to stop
Oh this is one of those games

>>182695220
>going to shit2
You asked for it.

>>182695150
>PD gets a new form
>looks like the final form from PS4
I'll eagerly await it.

Hero is going to be shit.

I just wanna get a T-ATK class to 75, what's the easiest way to "gear" Summoner well enough to make that reasonably painless?

>>182696770
One popple, no candy, urban vhaq for a few hours.

>>182694803
Post ID. I don't really do EQs much any more but if you just want to use my darker busters go ahead

>>182691328
Nothing has really topped Luther's fight in terms of presentation and music. PD being second. I would rate ep4's EMs as gutter tier.

>>182697002
Yamato is actually pretty top tier in those regards. It falls behind Loser, but that's a hard one to beat.

>>182697162
Yamato is very cool in theory but the fight is just a boring mess.

>>182697236
I would agree with you if we still had old Yamato, which had a very boring formula, but new Yamato is at least much more interesting to look at.

Are the S.CN daggers good for a poverty Fighter?

Are there any weapons currently available that are good for Fighter, for that matter?

how do we save this game from an abomination known as Episode 5?

>>182697374
The fight is still very boring even if the boat does cooler things.

>>182697401
People said the same thing about ep4 and most was to delete SU but the root of the problem is the director who keeps doing retarded story things.

>>182697375
Zein weapons are all good, although I don't know how far you can get with those files at this point. EP5 will bring fornis knuckles which will be godlike in situations where knux are better than TDs but you're still in danger of being hit. Otherwise, nothing around right now is that great other than zein.

>>182697463
Sure but the post I was responding to was specifically about presentation, which Yamato does well.

>>182697375
Seikaiser DS and S.CN TDs are both fine.

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>>182697801
Zen pot 2 gives no damage mod though, that's not exactly a good comparison.

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>>182697801
>no link to simulator

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>>182697871
pot2 gives 12%
>>182698064
I did this nearly a week ago because someone asked the same question about S.CN TDs, I don't have it open. Feel free to put it in the sim yourself and come to the same conclusion, it's not exactly a hard deduction just from reading the potentials.

>>182697463
>the root of the problem is the director who keeps doing retarded story things.
The root of the problem is shitty content direction. EP4 was kind of a mixed bag with too many EQs that would saturate the schedule for the next two week while leaving not much to do outside them for most of the time. The good part was probably when you actually had stuff to do with new LQs and solo quests, the only problem would be that those were low budget enemy recycles, and the fact that solo quests feel wrong in MMOs when there is barely anything to do outside them.

EP4 introduced Ultimate Amduscia in the most retarded format ever. They basically made it into a really meaty TA with some RNG. It died faster than it should considering it's still dropping the best weapons in the game and some 12* units XH players could use. All that thanks to retarded teleporter design instead of going into the usual free field design where players can drop in at any moment and there is better scaling to player number. Come to think of it there are way too few actual free fields that don't rely on set enemy spawns and starting up the teleporter. It kills the whole feeling of adventure when someone drops in at a random point.

EP5 at least seems to start with a decent quest, but no free fields is disgusting. I hope they will continue with lower player number quests but also retain the guruguru format of free exploration.

>>182698367
That's pot3, anon.

>>182698440
Ult Amd died because the collection files ran out, not because of the content. It was still booming right until the files rotated out

>>182696938
Thanks, but I'll pass.
I need active people.

You fags should play a real MMO like Monster Hunter Frontier.

>>182698440
>but no free fields is disgusting
Why? Free fields were literally pointless for fucking years. There's no point to them. Like, what did you get out of Tokyo/Vegas explore? Buster being the first EP5 area is fine.

You fags should play a real MMO like Ultima Online.

>>182698516
Pot1 is the 10% affix success rate up.
Pot2 is the picture I attached
Pot3 is 14% damage + doubles your affixes
I sincerely hope you didn't know this and aren't just trying to get in the way of actual game discussion when it comes around every 100 posts.

>>182698798
Pot 1 is the Quilf pot
Pot 2 is 10% affix
Pot 3 is the 12%+heal one

Actually look at a zein weapon some time.

>>182698702
>what did you get out of Tokyo/Vegas explore
Tin cans and lobsters.

>>182698702
I'd be fine with no free field if there was something like Train Ghidoran suppression where you could find some guaranteed enemies for collect files/client orders/bingo, etc quickly by yourself. It's just way more convenient than having to wait for an MPA at a teleporter...

>>182698595
Out of curiosity, what made you want to get into es? They're more or less killing all the cross class Arion weapon usage in ep5

it is good time to buy elegant power?

>>182698587
That's the point. Other Ultimate Fields would last long enough with shitty drop rates and even shitty 13* like Lilipa. This one died the moment 13* suddenly became about as rare as the droprate in previous quests. The other Ultimates were populated for as long as people desired Ares weapons, albeit Lilipa replaced Naberius due to dropping Ares too but being newer and with other stuff.
>>182698702
Tokyo and Vegas aren't even Free Field format from old days. I got my Seiga out of Tokyo and honestly you're bitching about drop rates, which is no problem since we can now randomly give Collection Files for them.

The guruguru format is just good for playing with random people for as much as you want.

>>182698990
I play since the beta.
Gives me loadsamone.

>>182699072
>and honestly you're bitching about drop rates
What? I said nothing of the sort. What I'm saying is that free fields are useless and have been for a long time. I can't remember the last time I ran one for something that wasn't daily boost or a GGG trigger. Buster quests are basically an EQ you can play whenever, so I don't see why that's worse than a free field.

>>182699072
That still doesn't really suggest the problem with Amd UQ was the static design. People put up with garbage 13* drop rates in Nab and Lillipa because the only alternative were 11* weapons. When Gix rotated out Astra sheets were in and the difference in power just wasn't big enough to justify running Amd UQ any more. It didn't help that half of the classes didn't want Gix. Content in this game lives for as long as it's practically relevant, which with the ep4 release cycle + collection files is not very long.

>>182698909
Pot 1 is the 12%+heal
Pot 2 is the 10% affix
Pot 3 is the qliff pot
Play the fucking game sometime.

>>182699890
>>182698909
This is one of the most stupid arguments I've ever seen here.

>>182699992
No it isn't.

>>182699890
Pot1 is the 10% affix
Pot2 is the qliff pot
Pot3 is the 12%+heal
Maybe you should play the game

>>182700080
Pot 1 is the Qliff pot
Pot 2 is the 12%+heal
Pot 3 is the 10% affix
Start the game and play it

>>182699992
Every time I try to help someone in this god forsaken thread, shit like this happens. I'd rather they just shitpost about team drama or something instead of going after people actually talking about the game.

>>182699289
They are useless because they have shit drop rates? Of course things that don't have good rares or anything of value aren't worth running, but that's not free field's problem at its core.
>>182699475
>That still doesn't really suggest the problem with Amd UQ was the static design
It was part of the problem, even during Austere times you could get random parties to drop into your Ultimate fields because it was still worth running that way and you could join in at any time. If Amd had free field format you would have enough people wanting to get some Gix considering it's still the best damage in the game and they don't have much to do outside EQs.

Ultimate Amduscia is just awful to run with few players because you both don't get people to drop in the middle and because the rooms are considerably tougher than what you would get from random e codes for a few players in other Ultimate fields.

>>182699890
I literally just grinded a zen weapon today, I know what I'm talking about. The first pot requires fuses, I know this because I chose it because I too thought the first pot was the 10% affix pot, but that was wrong.

>>182695220
Stay far away from block 1.

>>182701114
I literally had a Zeinesis (it's zein not zen you gaijin) weapon my entire life, I know what I'm talking about. The first pot requires Battle Boosters, I know this because I have 998 after grinding it up.

>Meanwhile in Gixfag's life

gix is good

>>182701601
ゼイネ, Zeine, Zein

It's not that hard.

>>182701991
>Zeine, Zein
Thank you for proving my point.

>>182701114
The pso2 community as a whole has been calling the fuse/qliphad potential pot3 for months. You're gonna look like a weirdo if you're being serious and actually trying to push this. If you're shitposting, just move on and find a better gimmick please.

>>182700483
>They are useless because they have shit drop rates?
I'm pretty sure he's saying they're useless because there's rarely a point in doing them. He doesn't seem to be concerned with drop rates.

>>182702196
Well the point of running anything is drops. So in the end it's drop rates

>>182702254
But the drop rate is dwarfed by other methods. So it's useless there too.

>>182702447
Drop rate directly translates to collection file %, so...

One thing pretty much, regardless of the method

>>182702518
So free fields are still useless? You can't kill guren zombies consistently for the Seiga sheets right now in any free field.

Why do people join a gracia pub then leave after a minute or so without exiting camp?

>>182704269
To make you feel inadequate

>>182702626
There are several ways to "cheat" collection sheets. The main way is to look at what item you need and look at what else drops it besides what you want. Those enemies count. For example, all weapon that drop from guren zombies also drop from other enemies in tokyo. This is extremely useful if you hit 100% on the EQ and you need just one more kill of an enemy that drops it.

And for this collection sheet, you can chain collections together if you time it right. I.e. If you need weapon X in one collection sheet, once you get to 100% and pick it up if other sheets need weapon X then it counts. Thus it's very possible and not too hard to finish a collection sheet in a single yamato run. Also the items in the boxes from the tokyo bonus quest will count too.

>>182704362
It didn't work, in fact I feel like the guy was a colossal shitter and I'm glad he left

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*tongue sounds*

blalbalbalblablalba

Post your character and I'll rate how fap worthy they are

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>>182706278
Be gentle.

>>182705124

>For example, all weapon that drop from guren zombies also drop from other enemies in tokyo.

You're relying on an even less guaranteed droprate through farming free fields, which is outclassed by just doing the sheets. Sustain Rock, for example, drops from road rollers--which you already encounter in Yamato.
Also, you only need to pick up the item anywhere from a drop for it to complete the drop on the sheet in question.

>And for this collection sheet, you can chain collections together if you time it right. I.e. If you need weapon X in one collection sheet, once you get to 100% and pick it up if other sheets need weapon X then it counts. Thus it's very possible and not too hard to finish a collection sheet in a single yamato run. Also the items in the boxes from the tokyo bonus quest will count too.
None of this relates to the "free fields are useless" argument.

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>>182706278

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>>182706278

>the stinky NEETs playing this game consider the strangers they played once with by chance "friends"
FUCKING LMAO

>>182710003
and your only friends are musk-riddled

My DPS with DS is lower than when I'm using TD/knuckles.
Am I doing it wrong?

>>182710003
Who are the best and worst smelling pso2gs?

>>182711682
Nice /fgg/ post
Might as ask which sniffslut is your favorite

>>182710003
This attitude is why this community is trash. I hope you die alone someday.

>>182712261
t. bitter neet who got hit too close to home

For future reference, is there any way you can watch the pre-rendered footage that occurs during EQs?

>>182712808
myroom terminal.

Why is Fi allowed to have a zondeel effect PA?

>>182713013
Thanks!

>>182713042
Why not? Summoner and gunner get them too.

Is this game dead..? It' feels dead... compared to before..

>>182713636
>gunner
?

>>182713774
reverse tap I believe

>>182714193
damn, I wouldn't even know, I've never used or seen that PA ever used before. Didn't even know it existed.

>tfw im the only one in my team that likes wearing kimonos instead of slut shit
D-do i have a problem

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>>182715256

no, it's just the game that's aimed towards closeted homosexuals, socially inept people and literal autists who crave human contact and try to get it through their virtual character as ironic as that sounds


You happen to not be one of them and that's alright

you're alright.

Can the female characters dress up like gundams?

>>182715971
i wear slut shit sometimes but i normally dont feel much arousal from it, I've been taking more of a liking to dresses and kimonos more than usual

>>182716520
yeah you can buy the brave spirits outfit

Reminder that if you aren't using wind techs as a force in Yamato, you're literally leeching.

>>182710620
Quite

>>182716786
>yeah you can buy the brave spirits outfit
Right how much does it cost?

>>182718463
320k

>>182719001
Well that doesn't sound so bad

>>182698440
The problem with free fields is that they currently don't work in todays game. Back then they worked cause Sega had a different vision for this game where they wanted their players to play however they wanted. Today, Sega just wants to dictate how players play their game now and what content they should play.

>>182668881
>>182668389
If anything they need to make the mobbing parts more difficult

>>182719810
>todays game
They never worked.

>>182720058
They did back then. Then Sega decided to nerf vendor prices and have MPAs only last 3 hours.

>>182715256
Kimonos are slut shit
They are quite possibly the sluttiest shit
Did you know you don't even wear underwear with them

>>182700483
Amduskia scales down the number of spawns and E-trial goals with fewer players just like most of the rest of the game does

It can still be awful compared to 12 people though, even though the possibility of new players dropping into Naberius or Lilipur is there that doesn't mean you can count on it.

The most detrimental thing to the multi party system for most quests, since the very first day teh game's been playable, has been how the ship/block instance structure segregated players

It took them five years but they're actually finally addressing it with cross-block matching

>>182720160
You see, that just proves it was never actually about how players wanted to play, considering that was a change that was made practically immediately.

>>182720192
they do you fucking retard
do you get all of your life information from manga or some shit
kys

>>182720890
>do
anon

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>>182720890
>N-no I'm not a s-slut kys
I bet you're already moist

>>182720516
> Amduskia scales down the number of spawns and E-trial goals with fewer players just like most of the rest of the game does
Ultimate Amducia is not a free field nor does not scale to player count.
All the ultimate quests act as though it's 12/12.

>>182720975
they do wear underwear?
hello?

>>182691328
>SEGA only has shit ideas for the new episode that please the pedophiles they have to use an old villain to save it
Really makes me want to vomit

>>182721117
i thought you meant they dont. my comprehension was fucked

>>182720647
But what if the cross-block function includes non-expert block shitters too

>>182721173
Luther isn't in EP5

>>182721113
It only scales down the number of mobs that appear in the first room IIRC

>>182719810
The original vision for multi party ARKS Quests and free fields was more along the lines of a pseudo-open world where you'd run around doing quests and whatnot and just coincidentally run into people

That changed pretty quickly for a few reasons: Sega capitulated to player demand that they allow them to control who the eleven other players they're matched with.

Everything became a 12 player guruguru
Volcanic/Desert Guerillas were actually pretty popular back then. Practically everyone actually wanted this to happen

And so it did and that's pretty much where we are now

The old problem of only the "best" and usually newest content being popular has been an issue since Phantasy Star Universe (e.g. White Beast) and it hasn't really changed at all here

What has dictated where people go has changed but it's still usually limited to a few things at a time

EQs as a concept actually broke the monotony of grinding something over and over like that ad infinitum until they themselves became those things

I'm sorry if this isn't terribly focused I'm just typing shit as it comes to mind

>>182721781
I want to suck you up and licc your balls

The livestream is in progress.

Should I go through eps 1-3 as a new returning player?

I have an old char but i think i might just start over for now.

>>182697463
>the root of the problem is the director but the root of the problem is the director who keeps doing retarded story things.
It's convenient and easy to blame the public face of the thing but a game like this is always a big collaborative effort. The episode director isn't a dictator.

>>182722018
We're getting a much more streamlined EP1-3 story recap in a couple weeks, so personally I'd wait until that comes out.

>>182720192
>Did you know you don't even wear underwear with them
They do wear underwear fuckwit, stop getting your knowledge from JAVs

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>outparsed by a girl

>>182722001
Link?

>>182722018
There's not much point unless you really want the rewards (MB items, titles, or the NPC camos), or if you're actually interested in the story (although you could just view it all in the event chronicle in that case).

>>182722287
Here: https://www.twitch tv/silentsakia

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They're really stepping up their game for EP5.

>>182722384
Thanks!

Who brought the present box

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while you were studying drops i studied the blade

>>182722680
The person standing behind it makes it look like the sword has a wig on

Did they do like a table of contents slide thing about what order they'd be doing things for the stream today?

>>182722503
was she really naked? any more?

>>182723343
She was not.

>>182723196
This was what was on pso-w
Important Topics
PSO2 Cosplay Show
More Informations about Episode 5
Episode 5 Recap Informations (Tokyo, Sapporo and Fukuoka)
ARKS Battle Tournament 2017 Preliminaries
Haruka Yoshimura ( Annette CV from PSO2es) will appear as a special guest.
PSO2 ARKS Live! Special Edition (Informations about Episode 5)
A Mini Live stage with the PSO2 Team (Finishing the Event)

>>182723343
She was wearing don quijote undies

>>182723343
She was wearing a bikini top and a pair of shorts that said zenchi on the butt.

snake daddy or boat daddy

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>>182723610
Deus Esca wins 55-44

>Deus
What the fuck why

>>182723750
Fuck yeah I can finish my katana now

>>182723797
nobody wants yamato's trash weapons

>>182723934
>yamato's trash weapons
>By far the best TMG, and drops all the other bosses' 14*s
?

>>182724072
>>182723934
I think it's more that Yamato files are super easy to complete and don't really need the extra boost here?

>>182724123
Yeah, and people probably also want those Zein/Qliph units, either to use, or to turn into extra fuses.

>>182724072
>TMG
Fighter doesn't use TMG though.

>>182724072
I want a 14

>>182723934
I would've rather taken the exp on yamato so I can level my sub

I want kimura to lick my popsicle

Dem PSU twin handguns

>>182724473
but there are no subs in yamato's quest, just a battleship

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My wife Xiera is super cute!

>>182725156
The old one used to dive underwater, but the new one just engages its warp drive.

>>182725272
Boat still dives on SH and below I imagine

why is PSO2es so lewd

>>182725523
nobody would play a shitty mobage like that if there were no lewd

Gene fucking sucks

>pso2es
So they're never going to bring those es costumes?

>>182722206
>>182722327
thx also is TMG ranger fun and good to roll?

>crying Annette
Which one of you fuckers did this

>>182725950
I take full responsibility for it.

>>182725925
>TMG ranger
TMG is a gunner weapon, ranger uses rifles and launchers. TMG is good for fighting bosses, but bad at mobbing sections.

>>182725925
Gunner is the TMG class and I think it's fun, although you'll get a lot of people picking nits about DPS and whatnot here

ur miealge may vrey

Fucking japs, never cease to amuse me every live

>>182725925
Fighter is going to be the only worthwhile class for a long time

Am I going to have to get a yamato file for a popple egg? Or is there a less shitty way to go about this if I just wanna level Summoner on the cheap

Make Automate HU Main only, SEGA. Please do it for justice.

>>182725570
Hot damn where can I get Gene gf?

>>182726834
Imagination

>>182726470
Is it really that bad?

>>182727210
No.

>>182726620
nah watch, they will even put it on hero

>>182726620
I think the best way to balance it would be to reduce its potency somehow rather than restricting it to any particular class. A broken mechanic is still a broken mechanic even if only one class can use it.

>>182727210
Yes it is. The few other classes that can compare right now are all getting nerfed.