/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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first for kangz

>>182525003
the logs went into "No recent events" already
they didn't specifically mention the sapling, only 5 different bodyparts taking the full blow and cleaving asunder, head included. i've never had a 1 zlevel drop be anywhere near this fatal, so my conclusion is that the sapling must have done it

3rd for ROMANCE W H E N

I found my waifu in the game and I want to romance her.

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Any recommended mods for adventure mode? Races, items, added abilities etc.?

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Started playing recently and have been following a couple of guides such as the Getting started guide, and Dave's. I've had two fortresses now that have suffered repeated attacks by werebeasts, and an eventual miasma spread and mass infection amongst all my dwarves. I'm wondering what steps I should be taking to deal with these things? I've started locking doors, and setting up an alert to get my dwarves in a burrow.

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>>182528902
>DF romance dialogue
>DF romance mechanics
>Toady trying to tactfully tackle the trifling issue of adventure mode reproduction

>>182529037
Adventurecraft
Direforged
Genesis
Fantastic Races
Morp's Assorted Creatures
Draconic Race
Hobbit Race
Minotaur Race
Spellcrafts
The Peasant and Forester's Mod

>>182529065
Werebeasts are super cooky this version. You need a defense system very early. Either prioritize getting 5 dorfs armed and with mail shirts ASAP, or make a drawbridge entrance with a backup bridge because werebeasts be werefasts.
Miasma is literally "you didn't make corpse and refuse stockpiles outside"

>finally finish ridiculous fortress defense project
>dying to try it out
>haven't had a single invasion in 3 years
Urist Wants To Be Hardcore But His Dev Won't Let Him

>>182529320
>Miasma is literally "you didn't make corpse and refuse stockpiles outside"
I had fairly large piles a little bit away, but something tells me the dwarves only stopped moving the bodies because of the 3 werepanthers in the fortress.

>>182529512
Oh yeah.
That happens.
If you don't control the infection as soon as it happens it's game over man, game over.
"Control" involves drawbridges by the way

>>182529693
I've noticed most of these guides don't prioritize things like traps, defenses, and a military early on at all. I'm probably going to hit those sections of the guide next, but it seems like I'm spending way too much time on food.

>>182529037
>dragonsis

>>182529816
The game legitimately used to be very safe in the first 2 years, werebeasts are kind of the odd one out

I hope eventually adventurer werebeasts can lose total control.
>transforming during your weekly midnight conspiracy meeting, taking credit for the killings and becoming a celebrated patriot
>transforming at home surrounded by family
>transforming inside prison
>transforming while trying to sneak

>>182529829
wat

>>182529986
In the next release people can probably try to game the system by coming equipped for combat and starting raids and then killing/looting any retaliation forces

The stealth system may be kinda simple right now but its https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKGy2cg4Wk

how you can sneak around almost invisible in a blizzard, murking bandits one-by-one

Butcher skill only affects the time it takes you to butcher things, not the returns or anything right?
Having one dedicated butcher frustrates me so much, I'm thinking of just making like 5 butcher's shops and enabling butchery on all my haulers.

How can I scroll through events faster when I'm checking out a site in legends mode? I only know about just pressing the down arrow key.

>>182529219
I can imagine Toady sitting there wracking his brain over how to implement sex but its pretty simple. Just have a Sims like woohoo mechanic where two characters strip and flash hearts until they wear each other out. Such a thing would be necessary for roleplay reasons. Their should also be other romance actions like kissing and courtship but there would no reason have anything that would allow the sort of "perversion" Toady seems to be afraid of.

>>182530478
Butcher skill is basically useless.

>>182529991
How would that would? Would your character randomly path towards NPCs and attack them. To be honest that would make be irritating to be a werecreature. It is best to allow the player to roleplay things like that.

>>182529320
very poor advice.

first of all, werebeasts are NOT hard. as long as you bring one soldier when you embark, and have him train from the start, you'll be well prepared for any werebeast attack.

second, it's NOT advisable to have a corpse stockpile outside. not only does it become exposed to necromancers, but it also takes up needless space, and potentially scares merchants away.

instead, you should dump corpses in a pit that's deep enough to hide its contents from anyone standing on the top. if you want, you can add a drawbridge at the bottom, as a trash compactor.

>>182529512
build the stockpiles inside, use two sets of doors to contain the miasma, and priority is in not letting werebeasts into the fort in the first place, if people do get attacked by it then read the combat logs and quarantine them, if they don't transform into werebeasts at the next full moon they are safe (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Calendar)

How can I block Forgotten Beasts from coming through the underground lake if they can destroy bars?

>>182532949
1v1ing a werebeast is just asking for trouble. They're legendary wrestlers. That's why you just get a bunch of people a weapon ASAP.
A garbage pit is better, sure, but it's not automatic like a stockpile.

>>182533231
Are underwater fortifications still buggy?
If so, you can do a toilet bend and install a floor grate in there. Buildings can't be destroyed from below.

>>182533325
Make a garbage airlock if you want to keep miasma in well.

>The slow but deadly werecrab
>There once was a werebeast, so slow that it never got noticed by the watch tower
>One wood cutter swears he saw it
>The other dwarves laugh, claiming his story is nothing but a fairy tale
>The werecrab invasion was so slow that for a long time it went unnoticed
>Fast forward 10 years, the werecrab population is about 60 now
>Envoy of crab people comes, name is Stabbo Crabbo
>He becomes a candidate for election, everyone thinks this is some kind of joke
>All the werecrabs vote for him, slaughter of dwarves is promoted
>tfw last dwarf left, build a little mini fort across a river
>Two winters later I notice that there are a load of crabs frozen in the water
>Start baiting every last crab into water before winter
>Tell other villages the secret of the crabs slowness, we work to rid the mountain homes of the crab infection

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I'm on a flat glacier, should I just carve houses from the ice?

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The name is nice.

>>182536429
>The Hope of Kings

Sounds like a bargain bin fantasy novel.

>>182536560
>bargain bin fantasy novel
That's the Dwarf Fortress world history in a nutshell though.

>>182536636
Hardly

>8 year old elf kills weretapir with bare hands

Do underground lakes replenish?

I got some badgers fucking my shit up, can I do anything to help my injured doggos or do I just accept their death?

>>182538191
Animal Caretakers aren't actually implemented.
Put it out of its misery.

>>182538191
All you can do for them is destroy the badgers, hope that the dogs recover on their own

>>182528051
daily reminder that removing tantrum spirals made the game too easy

>>182538191
Well, if your puppers are just injured, not mutilated, there's a good chance they will heal on their own.
I believe there was a dfhack plugin that attempted to provide some vet care functionality, but don't quote me on that.

Is there a way to make a creature caste only give birth to more creatures of that caste? I'm trying to make a race that's comprised of a small group of wizard types and a majority of short-lived, burly troglodytes. Could I make it so that the wizards only give birth to more wizards?

How to make a carpet?
Important people's room have armor stands, coffers, cabinets, beds, tables, chairs and statues as of now. Anything else?

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>looking through my embark profiles
Heh

>>182541674
Butcher something like a yak then individually spread the hairs on the floor tiles you want to be carpets.

>>182541721
>no items

how does that even work

Do coins have a quality? My autism needs to know.

>>182539049
Put them back in yourself. Increase both stress vulnerability and anger propensity.

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>>182536560
Speaking of names.

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guys the kea stole all of my starting battle axes (3)
how do i chop tree nao??

>>182545074
Wait for the caravan.

>>182545074
Aren't you glad they didn't take the Tetrahedrite (4)

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toaddy

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HOW DO I STOP WERESKIN WEAVER IT KEEPS CORRUPT MUH DWARVES

>>182545074
>>182548943
>>182549668
dumb frog/wojak posters.

Found an underground waterfall, it looks amazing.

>>182550049
actually underground, or in a deep canyon?

>>182551003
Underground.

>>182551179
in 42.x-43.x?
pretty cool, the only time I've seen that was when worldgen fucked up and a cavern lake was emptying into a lava tube on embark in fort mode. looked neat for a few seconds but completely destroyed FPS

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>>182528051
Asking once again in case anyone knows this tileset. Sorry for the annoyance.

>>182551649
did you check the tileset repository on the wiki?

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>>182551649
I think it's this, and the color scheme is this
dwarffortresswiki . org/index.php/DF2014:Color_scheme#Dark_Sand

>>182553189
Not him, but linking to the wiki isn't even banned on 4chan. There's no need for spaces

>>182553137
>>182553189
I've checked the repository and couldn't find it. Myne looks close but tiles like dorfs are different. Thanks anyway.

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And here's the one i've been using.

>>182555101
Yeah, I know it looks different, but I play with the tileset and they looks like the picture you posted. Don't know how it works, or if it's just really similar.

>>182554573
I don't know what sites are banned and which aren't, so I played it safe. I know I've tried to post links before and been auto-banned for a day without warning.

>>182555386
>Not just disconnecting your modem for 10 minutes when you get banned
Did you seriously wait an entire day?

>>182555687
Yeah I waited. I don't get banned often, so I didn't know you could just unplug it and it'd change your IP.

Manager is my favorite noble.

>>182532450
No. nononono. What toady should do is add new bodyparts a la Obok MeatGod

the thread shudders and begins to move

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>new embark, going good
>forgotten beast appears
>kills my high master potash maker, high master gelder, and legendary potter
abandoned the fortress right then and there

Does anyone think a 3 week tournament was too long?

At two weeks I think it would have been perfect, but 3 weeks of "hype" was unsustainable.

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Why are dorfs so opulent?

I got my hands on a Hydra and wondered if there is any way to make it fully tame?

do i have to tweak some scripts

>>182559536
It's actually going to be 4 weeks long though.

>>182559757
wew

>>182559615
Need to add child tags to Hydra raws, found in creatures_standard.txt, and get a breeding pair, the offspring can be fully domesticated, breeding pair cannot.

Need to add both somewhere, don't know if location is important. In example, hydraling is singular and hydralings is plural, change it to whatever you like. I think that's it.
[GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:hydraling:hydralings]
[CHILD:1]

>>182559536
>At two weeks I think it would have been perfect, but 3 weeks of "hype" was unsustainable.
we don't need constant hype, though.

just because we have a fun tourney going on, it doesn't mean that life doesn't go on as usual in the general. having everyone being "hype" throughout the entire week would kill the normal posting off entirely, and we'd have a solid month where bay12ers post about ebin crabystaby.

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>mead
>beer
>wine
>made in a still

>>182560918

Thanks

how to edit RAWS to add a penis so I can rape people to death in adventure mode?

>>182528051
Does Toady have a gf? Has Toady ever had a gf? I need the answer.

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>>182562021
>go to body_default
>find entry for finger
>make a copy, rename it to penis
>increase size a bit, remove [DIGIT]
>add the new bodypart to your race of choice
>give the bodypart some lulzy attacks
Enjoy having every fight turn into a rapefest.

>>182562418
I've heard that he had one once, but I don't know if it's true.

I've also heard about a missing third brother, who you get banned if you mention on the forums.

>>182563797
I believed you until you talked about a missing 3rd brother.

Toady, his brother and cats are basically devoted full-time to dwarf fortress it seems. He dropped out of college and basically had a mental breakdown before working on this, I always feel like Toady may not be getting the most out of his life. Not trying to insult the guy I can just relate to the situation and it's kind of sad.

>eat too much food one
>nauseous for the rest of eternity
okay. Has anyone ever successfully demanded an item in adventure mode? Seems everyone will just scream "over my dead body" and will never give up anything, even if you break every bone in their body

>>182564152
thats just not true, i'm pretty sure he finished college and i've never heard abut a mental breakdown

>>182564586
I could have sworn Toady got depressed, stopped pursuing his masters and tried some hard drug.

>>182564451
Yeah. I think it depends on their "stubbornness" to some degree, and since soldiers tend to become more stubborn and emotionless it can be troublesome to get them to yield. Also, companions tend to not care that they've yielded and will still kill them.

>>182565245
He got a thesis published iirc.

I also heard about the drug thing though.

>>182565910
>>182565245
he's done meth before but i think all mathematicians do meth

>>182562561
I wonder if there's a way to prevent attacks from counting as hostile.

And if you could give it specific entries in the combat reports...

Consensual sex in the missionary position RP mod when?

>>182565995
All good mathematicians do meth.

>>182564586
that anon got it all wrong.

in a sense, he did drop out of university. he "dropped out" of being a researcher, rather than dropping out of his studies. he has a ph.d in math.

he did get burned out working at the university, so he quit. he had a bit of money stuffed away, so he decided to work full time on his latest game (guess which) for a year before finding another job. then he got so much in donations that he decided to stick to DF instead.

>>182565995
>>182566134
IIRC His brother passed out when they both tried it and Toady thought he overdosed and freaked out until he woke up.

>Coded by a meth head

Explains a lot

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As the empire of the Rock of Gripping slowly crumbles to a vicious war with the savage green folk, a team of seven are dispatched to utilise the power of a fiery spire trapped in ice as a desperate last stand against the green threat

>>182567982
Very very nice. I've never done an ice embark, what exactly does that entail? will you still get caravans/migrants/sieges?

>>182567982
I have never wanted to thaw a glacier more than I do now.

>>182566163
Does he really have a missing brother?

More seriously, does he have a gf? I don't understand why he wouldn't DF is pretty popular at this point. There's probably girls out there who like him.

>>182568210
I haven't much experience with ice, a glacial volcano was just something I couldn't pass up, there is even no aquifer and some shallow metal (Turned out to be hematite) and flux stone, from the wiki it seems like I will need to use the magma power to make farms and an underground river

Why do dorfs think it's a good idea to pass through 1/7 and 2/7 lava tiles?

>>182568706
Maybe he simply isn't interestend.

That's fine by me, relationships take time that could be spent developing DF.

>>182566407
this makes me equally sad every time I read it.

I mean, what would you do in that situation? how would you react? I have no idea, but it definitely wouldn't be pleasant.

>>182569207
Has he ever had one before? He needs to get a gf NOW so his kids can keep developing the game.

>>182555795

Only works if you're on an ISP that uses dynamic IP, mind you.

>>182569465
Anon if he gets a girlfriend and then has children with her he's never going to finish the game, he won't have time. Meanwhile if he stays single and childless there will be enough time for him to finish the game.

>>182564451
>nauseous for the rest of eternity

It's nauseated, unless you're making other people barf.

And the solution is to not go into travel mode. Just walk around for a while and it'll go away.

>>182569717

I'm going to get the Toad a gf by the end of December just watch me :^)

>>182569465
As much as I think he'd be a fine father, every time children take on one of their parent's legacy in the form of some creative work, it always sucks. There are several series's whose authors died, but was continued by their son or something and invariably the quality nosedives. While they're certainly the best suited for it, you don't inherit and apparently can't really teach the "spark" that made the original thing great.

>>182570012

But the "spark" in this case is just plain old autism. Nobody plays DF because they think the writing is thrilling or the concept is fresh and original. They play it because the combinatorial explosion of all these systems causes crazy, unexpected things to happen in entertaining ways.

>>182568337
It's wonky as all fuck if you try to melt the top layer. The water thaws, spreads, then refreezes. Congratulations you just multiplied water.

>>182569405
On the bright side it kept both of them from doing it again, and eventually becoming addicted. Imagine what DF would be like if what >>182567664 said was true.

>>182570464
DF isn't just autism, there's a lot of personality in it too. It has a charm to it.

>>182570464
It clearly isn't plain old autism, otherwise we'd have many, many more DFs, a lot of people have plain old autism.The fact that DF is basically unrivaled speaks quite a lot to what he can make, and even if you were tutored by him from birth I doubt you can fully recreate the essence of what makes DF. Yes, the SYSTEMS, not the writing, or concept.

>>182570927
>>182570993
What charm?
>the living races are the typical human-elf-dwarf-badevil-lesserrace (surprising it doesn't have orcs too for maximum generic)
>any sort of story, legends, or really even civ interaction is inscrutably bad and obscured behind shitty awkward self-monologues from NPCs
>chuck in a few halfhearted wildlife animals like beak dogs
Dwarf Fortress' setting is a bargain bin Tolkien ripoff written by a computer that's never read a book.

Hydra just ripped a elf invasion to shreds

i already starting to like this guy

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H-Hello?

>>182571581
Again, you're the only one talking about the setting. I think most of us would agree that it's pretty derivative. But there's a reason you and I are here, and it's what you described before. "the combinatorial explosion of all these systems causes crazy, unexpected things to happen in entertaining ways."
If you think that's easy to make, or that Toady doesn't have some kind of special intuition for these things, well I don't know what to say, I would think you are very wrong.

>>182572113
I'm not the other guy you're arguing with but I think that's what he meant by "autism".
The autism is in spending 15 years making all those complex systems and that's pretty much what the game has going for it.

>>182572361


BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULTS TOADY!!

>>182572361
Well, I would, at the very least, object to "plain old". But even if you think that as long as someone could stick on something for 15 years they would get something reasonably close to the quality of DF (I certainly don't), you would still be forced to admit that very, very few people have that kind of perseverance, and that alone is worthy of praise. Even if it is "only" being an autist who doesn't know when to quit.

>>182571581
That's a hilariously apt description.

>>182572361
Huh, I thought the autism was in the idea/devotion to building a crappy fantasy universe generator when everyone else seems to think people want to make games sat in crappy fantasy universes.

>>182572749
Oh yeah, Toady's autism is legendary, no doubt about that

>>182536069
build ice castle

>>182572894
>crappy fantasy universe generator
Honestly, I think this idea has been the worst blow to DF yet.
The development shifted from being a game to being a giant civ simulator, and Toady's not just ignoring the gameplay, he's tearing out the floorboards to fit the new civ simulation autism. For example, tying goblin invasions to inscrutable conditions that just result in players almost never being invaded anymore. Forcing kobolds to go through worldgen which ends up in missing kobolds for the most part. Sure, the simulation is impressive, but it adds almost nothing to the gameplay and is actually worse than just the old versions of "you embarked close to goblins here take goblins".

Read up about old, old DF:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/23a:Chasm
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/23a:Cave_river
That's fucking awesome, right? You get regular cavemen invasions and if you chuck garbage in you get more invasion too. It's like you're actually playing a game!
What was that replaced by? Autistically detailed cavern generation which just spawns some crundles and troglodytes with no real pattern or fashion. I haven't seen an underground tribe in ages.
The "now" is super detailed, but it's lame and easy and boring.

>>182572894
You might think the setting is derivative, and it is, but you really should stop and consider the merits of doing so.

Dwarf Fortress is an incredibly difficult game to get into, firstly, people are not used to these visuals, and require some time to acclimate, secondly, the interface is also unusual for most, and thirdly, many of the quirks and mechanics of the systems require a wiki, even if they are mostly based on real world things/behaviors. Every step, every hurdle there gets rid of 90% of the possible playerbase. But one hurdle they DON'T have to worry about is the setting. We know what dragons are, we know what dwarves are, we know what elves are, and they all act EXACTLY as we'd expect them to act.

If Toady had opted for a completely new and unusual setting (I'm thinking something in the vein Dune at the time), one with new people, new creatures, new words for everything, it would be yet another 90% gone. Because they don't know who or what the fuck anything is, and they wouldn't want to invest EVEN MORE time in understanding when they've already been through that with the visuals, interface and mechanics.

For us, who passed those hurdles long ago, a more imaginative setting only makes the game even better. But for the newcomer, DF is a frightening and mysterious beast, and the admittedly derivative setting gives them some flotsam to cling to lest they be swallowed up in the waves.

>>182574039
I think DF was always meant to be a crappy fantasy universe generator, I think Toady did say that.

>>182574039
look at this, the "2d was better" autist is back.

ffs, if you want a simple colony management game where nothing outside of your tine plot of land matters, then there are countless other options for you. it sounds like you'd appreciate rimworld a lot.

also, if you want to go back to "old df", it's just one download from the bay12 download page away.

>>182574648
nothing outside of your tiny plot of land matters in modern DF either.

>>182574039
The simulation part is literally what makes DF even remotely interesting in the first place. If you want goblins just magically appearing next to you so you can get your fix, there are plenty of other games for that.

The game also isn't just fortress mode either, actual caverns and real sieges absolutely benefit adventure mode and even in fortress mode, it's silly that goblins could get to you before where they normally couldn't because they didn't actually path to you. You can certainly argue the simulation is done poorly, but regressing back to simpler mechanics is NOT the fucking way that DF should go. There are tons of simple games if that's what you want, fuck off I want complex now.

>>182574648
>>182574852
I, too, want complex.
But I want FUNCTIONING complex.
A highly complex feature that practically doesn't work is worse than a simple tried and true mechanic.
>just like go play another game!
I'm talking about the development of Dwarf Fortress.

>>182574852
Not that guy but I still haven't seen a real siege in adventure mode, I've been to towns that were being "sieged" but all I could find were just a couple of goblins.

>>182574852
>The simulation part is literally what makes DF even remotely interesting in the first place

how can you say this with a straight face when the internet has pretty much lost interest in this game now that's gotten easy and unfun? There were a lot of things that made the original DF interesting and fun, and a lot of it has been replaced by things that are ostensibly less interesting and fun, but are autist's wet dream of a world gen simulator. I'm not going to say that modern DF isn't great, it has a lot of things going for it and adventure mode might actually shape up to be a game in 10 years, but don't act like the game hasn't gotten worse in pretty much every aspect except for world building and more in depth simulation. That's just dishonest, and is the kind of thing you would expect from unreasonable fanboy autists who cannot see anything wrong with their selected fandom.

>>182574221
This guy gets it. There are unique creatures though, like the Gorlaks.

>>182574852
>actual caverns and real sieges absolutely benefit adventure mode

>caverns
>benefit
>adventure mode

I see you haven't gone down into that awful clusterfuck.

>>182575370
This, caverns are impossible to explore.

Some kind of cartography in-game would be nice.

Also, right now adv mode sieges are bugged. You can run into camps full of people going to attack a town, but they're all asleep and it is literally impossible to wake them up.

>>182575219
>how can you say this with a straight face when the internet has pretty much lost interest in this game now that's gotten easy and unfun? There were a lot of things that made the original DF interesting and fun, and a lot of it has been replaced by things that are ostensibly less interesting and fun
Can you give some examples here? I've actually returned to DF after several years and I'm liking things a lot more now. This is just a bunch of vague accusations "the game was cool before, and now it is lame"

>>182575219
>the internet has pretty much lost interest in this game now that's gotten easy and unfun?
lolwut? toady gets more donations than ever before, and everyone in the general seems to be hyped as fuck for the artifacts and the myths.

>>182574039
It's not a civ simulator and never going to be, having the game make civs which respond to their environment is a goal, as is having the game make the environment display effects of local civs through deforestation, landscaping, and so forth.

Having the game produce a mythological groundwork which involves actual gods and legends and such is another goal, having those gods and legends shape the actual geography, creatures, and civilizations is an even deeper goal.

Once we have those parts in place we will be able to sit back and just enjoy the stories it generates on their own, more than we can now, but we'll also be able to take part in them to an ever greater extent.

There are lots of fucking shitty fantasy games, we will never be at a point where anyone will ever look around and say "you know, I really wish we had just one more shitty fantasy game" without being so ironic they start to trigger R process nucleosynthesis as they collapse up their own ass into a hipster event horizon.

On the other hand, all of those shitty fantasy games benefit from the fact that Toady didn't go down the route of "shitty dwarf game #892" and instead is pursuing the shitty fantasy universe generator as a step in the development of an awesome story generator.

>>182574221
Other anon was talking about the derivative aspects, I just found the description amusing.

>>182575716
sieges happen less often and only under specific circumstances, ambushes almost never happen, the survival aspect of the game has been trivialized with overabundant food and wood sources, I recall that it may have been harder to train your dwarves to be unstoppable murder machines, but I'm not sure. A lot of the draw of the game in the first place was that you were genuinely building a dwarven fortress that would have to resist attacks from foreign invaders and the survival of your fort was something that you actually had to worry about. It doesn't matter anymore unless you purposely gimp yourself or put yourself into a very challenging biome, and even then it's a hell of a lot easier than it used to be. Dwarf fortress is no longer the challenging hardcore whacky game that it used to be, and is just a shadow of its former self. If it weren't for the reputation it already had, nobody new would be playing it.

>>182575992
>and everyone in the general seems to be hyped as fuck for the artifacts and the myths.

yeah everyone in this general who has stuck with it through everything. Nobody outside of this place hardly talks about DF anymore, and when they do it's with a "not as great as it used to be but there's some cool new stuff"

This general and the playerbase for this game in general are kept alive through the very sparse updates that add hints of what this game's potential could be(in 20 years). It's no longer the case that the game in its current state is fucking awesome and people could play it forever and we just want to see some cool new shit, now it's "man the game kind of sucks compared to its old version but at least we have a few new things. oh and the world is alive I guess, too bad it kills the framerate even more though"

>>182575716
Invasions
Races not going extinct every other worldgen
Nobles other than mayor and king
Underground wildlife being threatening
The medical Care system not being able to be done flawlessly by unskilled workers
Mineral progression based on depth being replaced by geographically correct distribution that just gives you iron and gold as shallow materials
Multitile trees giving you infinite wood and food
Military system: dorfs now become legendary in two years without even trying, also don't use weapon/armor racks anymore which triggers my tisms
Whatever bullshit is causing me to not get an outpost liaison like half the time
HFS's "peculiar chamber"
Dorfs not being able to use big weapons for years now
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F025wz28

>>182576586
did you miss what I said about donations? they're higher than ever, and they'll no doubt peak after the upcoming release, like previously.

df isn't dying anytime soon. who the fuck cares about what people outside of the community think? this isn't a fucking popularity contest, and df doesn't need to be mainstream to do well..

>>182576947
>this isn't a fucking popularity contest
good thing too because we can barely keep a thread up

>>182577067
If you think this is bad try going to /indie/ or /eagg/

>>182576602
>trends.google.com

Well, damn, you weren't kidding, huh? That combined with the increasing donations really points to a shrinking, insular community.

>>182577067
/dfg/ has always been slow. activity peaks after new releases, and this increase in pace is usually accompanied by a corresponding decrease in net quality of posts.

most good boards and generals on 4chan are slow, and I don't have a problem with it. if you like fast boards, you can go to /v/, /pol/, or /b/. I can guarantee that they're fast and shitty enough.

>>182576602
>normies aren't googling DF enough, therefore DF is dying
t. retard

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You know what would be hilarious?
If I had 0 wind power to actually move the magma, thankfully that isn't so

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Too scary to be lewd.

...right?

>>182576586
>>182576602
Most of these are bugs, though, not features. The original quote was
"There were a lot of things that made the original DF interesting and fun, and a lot of it has been replaced by things that are ostensibly less interesting and fun"
Mind you, complaining that the game is buggy is certainly a valid complaint, but wasn't what was originally being discussed.

>Mineral progression based on depth being replaced by geographically correct distribution that just gives you iron and gold as shallow materials
kill yourself
>Races not going extinct every other worldgen
Could you be more specific on this one? I've been doing a lot of wold genning recently since I'm testing a new race, and I haven't really seen this, what sort of setting are you using? Is this at a particular time frame?

>>182577663
I want enclave to drawfag this

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>>182576602
>Finland
why

>>182577780
>Could you be more specific on this one?
not him, but he probably only gens pocket or "smaller" worlds. those tend to be overrun by gobbos early on in worldgen.

races literally never go extinct in small or medium worlds.

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>>182577663
The aftermath

>>182574852
>dorf fort is known for being hard
>someone says it's not hard anymore
>FUCJ OFF IF YOU WANT HARD GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME
Which fucking timeline am I in right now?

>>182577663
>undead rape
Uhhh...I mean, if you find it hot, I won't judge.

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>>182577954
it's the autism capital of the world

>>182577780
>Could you be more specific on this one?

Not him, but I've seen it plenty. Just generated a small world at just ~150 years and kobolds are nearly wiped out, only surviving at two remote sites; humans have several ruined towns and one surviving person, total. (Legends browser says he's ruler of all four or so of the human entities, since he's the only member left, and he's still alive in this one town, but so far I haven't run into him. It's a ghost town)
I didn't even gen the world for very long, there's still a lot of uninhabited space.

>>182576602
>Invasions
Will become more frequent in the next update.
>Races not going extinct every other worldgen
Didn't notice that problem outside of pocket worlds.
>Nobles other than mayor and king
You're free to mod in some more.
>Underground wildlife being threatening
You're free to mod in something more threatening.
>Mineral progression based on depth being replaced by geographically correct distribution
The change in distribution means that you don't get iron and gold everywhere, which leads to increased difficulty. It also pleases geological autism in multiple people.
>Multitile trees giving you infinite wood and food
Pretty sure you can mod them out if you hate them so much.
>https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F025wz28
Didn't expect Finland to rank so high, honestly.

All of your other points are perfectly valid and I hope Toady takes the time to rebalance those issues somewhere between now and his inevitable death.

>>182578307
>dorf fort is known for being hard
who the fuck cares. "hardcore" games are a fucking meme.

I remember back in elementary school, when we'd google "hardest game ever", and play whatever shitty flash game it turned up.

if I wanted a hard game, I'd do the same today. DF's other qualities are vastly more important for me than difficulty.

>>182578307
Literally the only difficulty DF is "known for" is its visuals and interface, neither of which have changed.

>>182578620
Not really though, it's just that they have a different audience, like roguelikes.

Unless by you mean "hardcore" games like Dark Souls and etc. Not that I don't like Dark souls, but I get what you mean.

>>182577663
I want to get off Mr Bones Wild Ride

>>182578843
this.

sieges were always easy to beat back, even when they were more plentiful.

the biggest difference is that you don't lose forts to arbitrary bullshit like tantrum spirals anymore. that's a good thing, since those didn't make sense in the first place.

>>182577376
Also worth looking at the difference between web, image, and youtube searches.

Oh hang on, guys, df is blowing up in Finland apparently, no worries.

>>182576602
>I don't understand how invasions and such work now so they don't happen
>I don't understand how worldgen behaves and can't reliably get [desired outcome a, b, ..., n]
>I don't understand how to mod a text file
>I don't know what a forgotten beast or chatty herd of trogs can do to a fort and my fps
>(not sure how to parse the medical one)
>fucking rocks are assholes
>fucking trees are also assholes
>I don't remember the days of daycare systems, coinstars, uncapped stat growth, and wrestlers punching enemies so hard they fly across the screen and explode
>I don't understand how civs behave after worldgen
>I have finally found a good point as these did sound neater than vaults are now
>I don't remember that they weren't able to use or even gain skill in certain weapons

>>182578294
One could say they boned the hell out of you.

>>182578843
Oh so when people were saying dwarf fortress was a hard game that was just me and I don't belong anymore, okay. I'll get out and take my fake news with me.

>>182579209
While I'm not unhappy tantrum spirals are gone, I think they make total fucking sense. When you're unhappy and pissed, you make other people around you unhappy and pissed. This logically spirals out of control. I think a slightly more realistic end result though is dwarves up and leaving your fortress if they get pissed enough. That would be a neat thing.

>>182579462
>so when people were saying dwarf fortress was a hard game that was just me
no. I don't doubt that they said it.

however, they were wrong. even pre-0.40, they were wrong.

"DF is hard" is, always was and always will be a meme.

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>>182578401
>>182579312
>"the development of the game has changed"
>JUST MOD IT

>>182579792
With more advanced interactions outside of your fort coming up, that is definitely a possibility.

>>182579792
I get what you're saying, and I kinda agree.

it would make sense if it happened to people with certain personality traits, and if it required more pressure.

it doesn't make sense, however, that your entire fort turned into a giant fighting ring just because someone's pet died.

it would be fun to have some sort of spiral into violence in DF. however, I'd prefer if it was based more on socioeconomical factors. like, you have poverty, so you also end up with crime, violence and urban blight. I'm sure the crime and punishment arc will implement a lot of this.

>>182579312
Please, mister I know how invasions work, tell me what the fuck I have to do.
I have deliberately generated a world with an asston of goblins. I have embarked directly next to them. I checked that they had a ton of population and weren't at war with anyone. I know they have a valid path to me because I'M RIGHT OUTSIDE THEIR DOOR.
I have gotten one good invasion in six years.
What do you know that I don't?

>>182580590
Works on my machine :^).

>>182580182
What alternatives do you suggest? You know well that Toady isn't going to listen to anything you say.

>>182580590
Do you have more than 80 dwarves and export lots of valueable items? If you fullfill these conditions, you're just unlucky.

>>182580182
resorting to cringey /pol/ or reddit memes can hardly be considered an argument, either.

also, if you don't like how "the development" is going, there's literally shit you can do about it. it's toady's game, not yours, and he'll keep doing whatever he likes with it, regardless of what some autist on a ghanan basket weaving forum thinks.

>>182580694

Tags: NOTABUG WONTFIX

>>182580182
I mean, Toady put the things he did out in the raws for some reason, why do //you// think he did that?

>>182580340
Really looking forward to stalking adventurer groups and seeing what goes on, setting up shit like a deathtrap campsite with goodies, telling enough folks for word to spread, then following groups in as they work through before confronting them in the inner chambers.

It'll be particularly amazing when we don't have to use dfhack for shit like levers, ask about their struggles, ask how they're feeling, comment on the weather, pull the lever and drop wall sections through different floor tiles and see who was standing in the wrong places.

>>182580590
They're scared of you, man. They know any dwarves willing to embark next to an asston of goblins they're at war with are going to be batshit insane.

>>182580918
How realistic are NPCs in DF? If you trap and send them through a maze will they be unsettled or just use normal path finding?

>>182543202
No they do not

>>182580590
Simplest answer: give dwarves slavery:abhorrent (think that might be default) and give elves, humans, gobs slavery:acceptable. There are other triggers which can lead to warfare but slavery is a really juicy one in my experience.

You can also do things like have entities which can be taken over by sapient semi/megabeasts with the [POWER] tag and then use the sphere alignment to encourage more strife. I get dragons leading goblin civs waging war on civs which worship water deities all the time.

>>182581224
They still have a path-finding routine which checks for locked/open doors and such but they're not as disoriented as we are when roaming around underground since they basically have the whole memory afterimage effect we do but they also have the future part of their path displayed.

You could, now that I think about it, play a game of cat and mouse because they will pursue you as far as they can tell which way you went but beyond that they end up losing track and can start to wander around on a seeking-target routine.

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Is there a way to stymie the growth of my new civ? This is only 125 years, and they always "fill up" the surroundings area with sites, and as a result there's generally a lot more of them than other races. This is probably due to their 2-5 kids per pregnancy, but I was hoping their 25-50 max age would slow them down more.

Without significantly altering their clutch size or max age any further, how else can I slow down how quickly they overwhelm their area?

Well I made some tests, this time putting humans with two handed swords against humans with halberds and great axes (I chose the two handed sword because it seemed like the sword equivalent to those weapons) I also made another where I compare the performance of each other against large creatures, and I repeated the test where I compared the performance of steel short swords and steel battle axes against trolls wearing iron armor with the results of steel two-handed swords, steel halberds, steel great axes and a modified version of the two-handed sword that lacks the stab attack against the same trolls.

Here are the full results of the two-handed sword vs halberd test: https://pastebin.com/dtpA89Vr
The ones for the two-handed vs great axe one: https://pastebin.com/30ceGccz
The one where with the three weapons against large creatures: https://pastebin.com/cTUaxcJ0
And the one with three weapons against trolls with iron armor: https://pastebin.com/MsnLiwyG

I'm not sure if I should post the observations since it's a bit long if you put them all together, you can find them in the pastebins anyway.

>>182575219
>the internet

Most of it doesn't know the game exists. The portion that does only knows of it as the super violent and hard city builder with outdated graphics/UI.

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>>182581975
Dwarves do have capital punishment as their default for slavery, which gives the best possible results already.
Making it acceptable, personal or required for elves and humans is a good idea though.

>>182541674
There are no carpets. It's kinda lame.
However, you CAN cover the floor in engravings, or if you want them to be removable cover them in slabs. Think of it as a rock mosaic.

>>182582414
Make them easier to kill and more prone to starting conflicts.

>>182582414
[MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:x]
[MAX_POP_NUMBER:y]
[MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:z]
As I recall y*z gives max per civ, x*y*z gives total pop of that race.

>>182583267
Unthinkable/acceptable was what I meant.

>>182583330
Carpets will be cool shit for sure, wall hangings and flags too.

>>182584132
Nope, derped, x*y gives max per race, and z is just the local site cap and thus distribution is influnced by it.

>>182584132
POP_NUMBER is really just an upper cap, though, which isn't really what I want. SITE_POP_NUMBER I considered, this would make them found less sites, but result in denser sites, right?
>>182584125
You mean like hate and anger prospensity? Will that make them more likely to fight and kill themselves, in addition to starting more wars with other civs?

why do you play dwarf fortress?

There's a lot more Dwarf Fort LPs popping up on youtube compared to a few years ago when most of it was just shit on LParchive and Bay12 (which is still the best format to tell a story for a game like this).

>>182584747
>>182584625
DF is great to have an outline for a story.

>>182584603
It should, yeah. Simply reducing the civ number can help a lot too, I had a race which only made two sites starting out usually and due to the low caps/immortality/single gender they remained like that.

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>>182584603
I do shit like this too: https://pastebin.com/Gqd6Pmj4

Set the site/pop cap lower initially, let them struggle, then raise the caps and see if it works out how you wanted.

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>>182585239
Like so, notice the dwarf civ at the bottom in the first image and then in this one.

>>182584625
i had fun with it once a long time ago and only cling to that feeling even though I haven't had fun with it for a long time

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>>182585474

>>182582414
what is the race you're working on?

>>182587080
They're a humanoid race that's slightly taller, slightly stronger, and much more aggressive, worse than goblins even. They raid surroundings and also have a lot of infighting, I call them niggers.

>>182587080
They're a race of praying mantis people, they're nearly finished, might post it here when I'm done.

Here's their creature raws to get an idea of them, they obviously won't work without some other stuff too, though.
https://pastebin.com/mxbZ3T1J

Unfortunately you can't mess with reproduction too much, so I couldn't implement the real mantis habit of the females eating the males after sex.

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Hell yeah, not even one year in.
Gotta get some steel real quick.

>>182587837
That's actually a myth. They don't do that as part of their reproduction.
They only do that under extreme stress.
Such as, you know, being abducted by humans and closely studied while captive in a tiny box.

>>182588024
It's not a myth, it's just more common in captivity. Wikipedia quotes a 25% chance for the male to escape being eaten.

>>182588216
*to escape being eaten in the wild, as opposed to captivity

>>182588216
A 25% chance for them to be EATEN in the wild.

>>182588745
Fuck, yes, that's what I meant. ANYWAY its a moot point because Toady is a fat lazy fuck who'll never let me do this.

>>182587549
Oh, cool! Best of luck with your mod.

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>>182585969

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Out of all the tourneys we've had so far, which one is your personal favourite?

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>>182587839
Maybe it's plain as fuck, but this is exactly what I needed right now. Not to mention a Legendary+2 Weaponsmith for free.

>>182589963
Wilbo was a revelation.

Our pup will win out in the battle royale.

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>I have great news! A marriage ceremony is taking place this Saturday at a dwarf fortress in the Pacific Northwest.
I freaked out for a second because I thought Toady was getting married and the game development would come to a full stop for the next few months, but then I realized it was his brother's icon.

>>182592484
>threetoe actually posting
wew lad
How long has it been?

>>182592771
Years? He used to post often like a decade ago, when he was still writting stories for the site. I guess his job is to make doodles and little paragraph story rewards for patrons and people who donate.

>>182592771
I think he posted like one entry back when they changed the blog layout. when was that? maybe 2011 or something.

>>182533325
>They're legendary wrestlers.
They're not. Werebeasts have the same skills that they had before being bitten. Moderately skilled military dwarves can typically take a werebeast in single combat without injury.

>>182582607
This is interesting, I was taking a look at the results of the swords and axes vs trolls with iron amor and then comparing to the results of steel hammers and platinum hammers vs large creatures, since in the first set of that test the humans also fought trolls with iron armor, and I realized that the humans with steel short swords performed better than the humans with steel/platinum hammers, and the humans with steel/platinum hammers had iron armor, while the humans with steel short swords were completely naked but with the same skills as them, so it's even more impressive.

So, I guess this means that, if you have to fight a troll that is wearing a full suit of iron armor, and you have to choose between a steel short swords or a steel/platinum hammer, you should go for the short sword.

>>182583267
What the fuck would slavery:required be

>>182595109
ENOUGH QUESTIONING YOUR FATE SLAVE, BACK TO THE MINES, ALSO I AM A SLAVE NOW TOO, FUCK

>>182595109
Methodically enslaving every citizen of conquered enemy sites I'd imagine. Fun stuff.

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>>182593814
The original werebeast that shows up has always been a legendary wrestler for me.
There should be NO followup werebeasts or you're pretty much boned. And you'd probably do well to have a few militiadorfs just in case.

>>182595563
Doubtful. Worldgen almost never produces creatures with any legendary skills, and werebeasts have to follow the same rules for gaining skill in worldgen that every other creature does. Werebeasts that were never controlled by a player will, almost without exception, have a small set of low unarmed combat skills and a civilian profession if they have any skills at all.

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>>182596470
Man I don't know what to tell you other than hey look at my two werebeast corpses which were legendary wrestlers and this is a thing that's happened to me in my other forts too

How do I make a character stop being fat? Also, how do I make it so a species can't get fat?

>>182597081
Only eat when starving and don't fill yourself , stay at yellow or pink hungry. Keep doing this for I don't know how many days and eventually your character will stop being fat. For fortress mode just starve your dwarves.

>>182597275
Thank

>>182597081
Magma is always the answer
It will melt the fat away

>>182597406
Also this but only in moderate amounts.

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>>182597406
No magma is at hand at the moment. I guess that now is the time for my adventurer's weight loss filler arc.

>>182597581
That's not an elf.

Or is it?

What manga is this?

>>182597878
Its not really my type of manga but some guy on /tg/ recommended it so I checked it out. Its about various magical creatures that come to earth from a fantasy world and get seduced by the wonders of greasy food, leading to them seeking help from the hapless protagonist, who does his best to figure out how to get them back in shape.

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Elf-san-wa-Yaserarenai

>>182597878
It's not particularly good and it's not hentai so who cares.

Have you got your champion upgrades ready for the next tourney matches?

>>182598065
>kissmanga
Oh god get that disgusting thing away from me.

>>182597581
>>182598065
upload the archive to zippyshare

>>182598945
I don't know what that means.

>>182599129
/a/ has a thing against manga hosting sites. The only one that's slightly tolerable is batoto.

>>182600418
Oh I see.

On a related note, my adventurer's description has been upgraded from "very fat" to just "fat" so I know I'm getting there.

>>182600418
I don't have anything against good sites, like mangasee, but kissmanga is pretty bad.

>>182603119
Kissmanga is not particularly bad, it's just that their server sucks. To me, as long as they don't stamp their stupid watermark or highly diminish the image quality (mangafox), they're ok. All it really matters is how good is their library anyway.

Page 10 has taken over /dfg/, by rightful succession of Page 9!

It must be stopped with violent force.

>>182605301
>bumping hits page 10 in the lower left arm, it explodes into gore
>page 10 drops its =copper gauntlet=
>page 10 is unconscious

Reminder that dwarves are inferior to every other race and are only good for slave labour and usage as meat shields.

>>182606063
t. smoslu badannog

Reminder that dwarves are the only race that can into steel and adamantine, humans and gobs are bronze age barbarians and elves are wooden spear chucking savages who can't construct a two story building.

Reminder that Plump Helmet Men are the best race, and everything else is inferior.

>>182606280
It's dumb that humans and goblins don't have access to steel though, I mean, the romans already had steel weapons.

>>182607532
>romans
Celts in 500BC had steel weapons, it was just incredibly expensive to make.

>>182607704
They had some very interesting techniques. I can't wait until toady adds more technological progression to civs.

>>182607704
You get what I'm trying to say.

>>182608142
>>182608178
Actually, steel is one of the features that really need work. There are a lot of techniques to make steel, and several types of steel. From what I've read on bay12 threads about it, current dwarven steel is similar to modern stainless, and actually not "realistically" as hard and sharp as steel can be. Ideally, steel would have varying grades of quality and different types of steel could serve different purposes.

>>182608567
This looks like something that could be modded in, has anyone tried anything like that?

>>182608142
>humans will have tanks and cars and shit
>Elves will have giant wooden robots and log traps
>Goblins will just nick all that shit for themselves
>All the while, dwarves will simply keep using the same machinations they've used over the years, and still come out on top

>>182608776
No clue.

>>182608567
Maybe have steel bars have quality (which is determined by the reaction used to make it, rather than a skill), which gives a multiplicative hardness/sharpness bonus to items made from it?

>>182608849
Shut the fuck up Thorgrim your shit is old and busted, you should try and innovate a bit like the empire.

>>182609072
Meh, sure. If you go to the suggestions board on the forums there's probably a billion threads on the subject. The problem isn't lack of suggestions, Toady probably has it figured out, it's a matter of time and priorities.

>>182609349
Pretty much this.

We'll probably get all this stuff in 20 years.

Dammit, I swapped my adventure mode's graphics pack on account of I couldn't see shit with Phoebus, and now my save game is telling me "Missing Material Template: ST_WOOD_TEMPLATE"

Any advice, other than move this buggy piece of shit to /dev/null?

>>182609626
literally use lazy newb pack

>>182610889
>use lazy faggot pack
You disgust me.

>>182610889

I already am.

>>182592484
>great news
>getting tied to a thot
why is threetoe worst brother

>>182596628
What makes you think they were legendary anything?

>>182611401
He was married once before too, from what I understand, and it didn't end well. I just can't understand that guy. According to him, he's never had a real job, but basically has the comfiest "job" in the world, basically being his brother's game tester and designer, doesn't even need to code the game... yet he'll risk another marital wild ride as an unemployable man in his 40's. God forbid he starts a family and DF stops making money, he'll have to kill himself.

>>182592484
Toady is already married.
To his work.

>>182611927
I get the feeling that it's Threetoe who's doing most of the raws. Toady might do some example raws, but one of the typical roles of a designer is to do endless data-entry in order to fill in game data.

I'm probably wrong. Toady is most likely doing everything and Threetoe just walks up to him every now and then and says 'Taverns would be cool, eh.'

>>182613442
>I get the feeling that it's Threetoe who's doing most of the raws
Hard to say. As far as we're aware, his work consists on writing short stories and little drawings for their reward system, and Toady does everything else

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>>182613656
It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it.

>>182611551
Flashing icon, solo'd 3 armed and armored dorfs with no damage taken, snapped limbs like a motherfucker

>>182613845
Hey, I'd never shit on anyone for making money doing that, if anything I'm jealous. Just confused as to why he'd risk getting married in his position. That's normalfag levels of social ambition and self-destruction for a man who clealy should be leading a life of high wizardry.

> I have great news! A marriage ceremony is taking place this Saturday at a dwarf fortress in the Pacific Northwest. It will be just about as dwarfy as possible. I, Threetoe, am finally getting hitched to a princess from a royal bloodline.

DF is ded.

>tfw you feel weddings and marriage should be something that two people share privately instead of something that they should openly state to everyone.

>>182614268
Fug, this means the update probably won't happen this or next week.

>there is a very real possibility that we will never ever get DF 1.0

>>182614457

It will happen. But as Threetoe loses contact with Toady, he'll lose direction and eventually the project will crash and burn.

I hope I'm being paranoid, but...

>>182613890
Flashing doesn't necessarily mean they have a legendary skill. Can't speak about were-beast skills, but some NPCs have flashing icons denoting their position, like human lords/ladies. Wouldn't be surprised if it did it for were-beasts too. As far as I've seen the AI doesn't really know how to wrestle, every time I've paid attention they just randomly grab and release body parts, rarely upgrading into a lock or chokehold or doing anything actually dangerous. Unless you count shaking. If they ever latch on they shake like a motherfucker, goddamn shaking OP.

>>182614667
Yep.

It doesn't affect me as much since I'm a fanvof several things that won't be finished, or that will be finished but will still take a long long time.

>>182614667

To be fair there always was that possibility, it would just now seem to be much greater.

>>182614371
3 excuses for attention in life 2bh

>>182614836
What? If anything it's the complete opposite.

When a guy says he's going to build a stairway to the moon and starts laying some bricks everyone laughs and hopes he at least gets some experience building things that he can take to other projects before he inevitably gives up before reaching the third floor. But when he gets over 40% of the way there all of a sudden it's holy fuck the madman might actually do it, provided he doesn't fall to his death at any moment.

>>182615226
More like when two guys say they're building a stairway to the moon and it's been a whole load of time since they've started and the crowd has for the most part slowly dispersed except the zealous fan cult and now one of the two guys is getting married so he'll probably build slower and possibly cause instability in the partnership and damn it feels like they've slowed down in their building now that you mention it

>>182614692
Well we'll find out this weekend I guess.

>>182615226

I'm worried that Toady may lean heavily on Threetoe for stuff... I hope you're right and I be wrong, time will tell.

>>182615458
>>182615546
>he'll probably build slower
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I wasn't under the impression that Threetoe actually did any of the development himself. I've never hugely paid much attention to devblogs, or what they've said, but the actual creation of the game is nearly exclusively presented by others as mostly Toady. I've always thought of Threetoe as more of a community/artfaggotry/writefaggotry kind of person than anything nearly so important to its development.

>>182611927
>Threetoe has never had a real job

Are you serious? Toady has a PHD in mathematics and used to work at one of the top universities in the country how is his brother so useless? I thought the reason his brother did not work on Dwarf Fortress full time was because he had another job.

>>182613890
Every werebeast flashes. They weren't legendary wrestlers.

>>182615987
Nah. I think Zack has a PHD in history or something, and did some blue-collar work on the docks for a very short time, then stopped. He said it himself that he's actually never had a real job. All he does is write short stories and make drawings for the site/reward system

>>182616258
He should get a job and stop living off Toady's work.

>>182615987
Also, while Toady is obviously incredibly intelligent, people have often questioned his actual programming skills as being far from perfect and forget the fact that he quit his uni job because he couldn't handle research work. He said it on his podcast at some point, that the reason he quit is because he hated doing research and wasn't skilled enough to do it and also maintain his gamedev hobby, but he hinted that some of his talented colleagues could had maybe pulled it off it they were in his place.

People put too much pressure on the guy assuming he's a fucking 180+ IQ genius savant, but he's just a talented but amateurish programmer with advanced math skills who happens to be incredibly persistent at making his dream game.

>>182616703
Toady does whatever he wants with his money. If he thinks hiring his brother as an assistent is integral to his work, he's probably right.

>>182616912
It's not that Toady is a bad programmer, he's a programmer from a different time. He never moved on from the old school era of no standards where OOP and multithreading wasn't a thing yet.

Posting for Tourneyfags
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xaf7ze5dgC1L4h7Y8flaG6meHZtqiuVj7dojwvQx1yc/edit#gid=2027880972

>>182616912
He might not be a genius-level programmer, but I think "amateurish" is selling him somewhat short. Even accounting for his legendary persistence, having a game as big and complicated as DF is and actually be mostly functional isn't an easy task. I expect him to very familiar and "deft" with his use of whatever spaghetti framework the game uses, but probably too intimidated to use better/more reliable alternatives and sort of stuck in his rut.

>>182617397
>OOP and multithreading
Jesus Christ, don't even start with this shit. There have been mass purges on the forums because of this topic.

>>182617539
When I say amateurish I mean he's never had any formal training, something he apologizes for often and uses as an excuse for his bad coding habits.

>>182609626

Bump. Nobody knows how to fix one of these?

>>182615979

Sometimes mathfaggots need artfaggots to be motivated. Results so far have been Toady+Threetoe. Now it'll be Toady+Threetoe-ThretoeWaifu. Which might be good, or not.

>>182618463
>There won't be any content updates for two years
What's the difference?

>>182618463
>two years
That would be the average amount of time it takes for an update since the z levels update.

>>182618583
>>182618729
It stacks additively with whatever delays were already going to be there.

>>182618463
>only two years
SMASH IT

>>182618463

Hit that with all fingers and toes, forehead and my now diamond hard male appendage.

>>182618463
>>182618862
S M A S H

>>182618463
We've done it before, we're halfway there now.
Literally no downsides here.

>>182618463
something has to be done with the framerate issues before the game becomes unplayable and loses popularity
toady should open a gofundme and hire some professionals to redo ai and stuff like temperature for multicore support
I understand he wants to keep it his own project and doesn't consider it a game in the sense that others do, and treats it more of a story and world sim

>>182620047

It *IS* a story and world sim, anon. It's the game's draw.

>>182618463
*Jumps on it*

>>182620047

Speaking of which, if Ultima Ratio Regum is legit...

>>182620808
it's a story and world sim to /v/ and normalfags, who partake in the pass time of reading funny bugs and horror stories generated by people who play the game, like me, I play the game
and I don't like giving up at 5 years because the game begins processing everything 5 seconds in the past and my computer becomes a jet engine

>>182620047
He's literally said that its a story and world generator.

>>182614268
>waited all week hoping this would be the friday the update drops
>The new notification is just a marriage announcement

J U S T

Why is everyone shitposting about DF being dedgaem now?

>>182532658
It could be a variable thing. Some curses do it, others don't.

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>this man is getting married

What's your excuse for no gf, /dfg/?

>>182621124
>it's a story and world sim to /v/ and normalfags
It's a story simulator sim to Toady himself. I've been playing the game and following it's development for a decade now, and If you want him to prioritize optimization you are deluded. He'll only bothers to do it when the game becomes unplayable, and since the zlevel updates the framerate problems have been consistent and stayed roughly the same.

>>182621736

Because Toady, praised be His name, needs no waifu and neither do His faithful acolytes.

>>182621737
>It's a story simulator sim to Toady himsel
>He's literally said that its a story and world generator
I said that in my original post guys

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What's the chance that he's a wizard?

>>182621946
Low. He had a girlfriend in university.

Threetoe getting married will not affect development, though the odds of us getting another one of those nifty design doc stories out of him will continue to approach Never Ever at a higher rate.

>>182621836
What are Toady's spheres?

This is a very important question

>>182621565
Because people are stupid

>>182621946
>>182622121
>Has beard
>works wonders
>Very specific dedication to a lifelong goal most would find odd and/or unattainable
He's a wizard

>>182622419
ART
BEAUTY
CHARITY
CREATION
DISCIPLINE
FAME
FORTRESSES
GAMES
GENEROSITY
HAPPINESS
HOSPITALITY
INSPIRATION
LABOR
LONGEVITY
LOVE
LOYALTY
ORDER
RAINBOWS
REBIRTH
RULERSHIP
SACRIFICE
SALT
TRUTH
VALOR
VICTORY
WISDOM
WRITING
YOUTH

>>182622419

His spheres are what we would kiss if they came in range of our lips.

>>182622928
>YOUTH
what is he like 50 now?

>>182623078
He's not even 40.

>>182623215
Look at this guy >>182621946 it looks like he's pushing 60. He's gonna keel over any day now

If Toady dies we all die.

>>182623654
We better start working on transferring his brain into a jar, so he'll never need to stop working on DF.

>>182608776
Yes.

https://pastebin.com/DBF0uyFd

Incidentally does anyone know off hand how to get the total number of a given creature alive, like the world_sites_and_pops export lists, except in game?

Does anyone have the link one anon made to a cleaned set of raw files with no animal men?

>>182625169
I wish Toady would do more with the animal men so they weren't just weird animals half the time

Like in the DF stories they're usually like forest guardians/tied to spirits and shit

>>182621565
Lack of invasions is getting to people

>>182625470
I've always kind of hated them because instead of imagining them as Egyptian god-esque things I wonder how much of them is animal.
Like with roach men do they have shell on their arms, antennas, wing things and white flesh, do tiger men have fur, do bat men have really shitty leathery skin covering their bodies etc

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>accidentally take in a human mercenary
>my defense is now 19 dorf soldiers and one shitty human
>FB comes
>human gets his head pulped instantly
>everyone else takes 0 damage, dodging every single hit

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I like where this is going

>>182609626
>>182618083

Nevermind, I fixed it without you useless autists.

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Check out this flawless fucking disarm
Didn't even need the pointy bit

>>182623962
>kill me...
>shut up toady and fix cats calling vampires by their whole name